Here’s after me watching an old Lightning Bolt music video. Six videos are related to Lightning Bolt, being live videos or music videos, but a solid four videos are all weird right-wing Nazi pipeline shit. One defending Trump and saying he has a plan, one lamenting the pushback against Tesla, one shitting on the new Snow White for being “woke,” and one literally with the giant title “fuck your pronouns.” Plus one old cartoon and an episode of Surrounded with one doctor vs. twenty anti-vax (I am not convinced this Surrounded show actually does anything helpful for any discourse.) I have watch history disabled so none of this comes from my watch history, this is the default that youtube gives to people.
notnotmike@programming.dev
on 03 Apr 2025 20:24
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The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 20:28
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dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock.
Oh, so it’s just wall street dick sucking and pretending the whole “market” isn’t just a rigged game? Counts as right-wing slop to me.
Is that the platforms fault?
Considering we have a fuck-ton of evidence from research that it isn’t just what other people watch that determines it: Yes, it is actually. Sorry these aren’t fucking videos so that you’ll actually pay attention to them.
A lot of defense for a company that is literally in the process of saying “fuck your rights” to the same people being attacked in a lot of these videos. Jesus christ.
notnotmike@programming.dev
on 03 Apr 2025 23:15
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Dude chill out, why are you so angry? I merely pointed out that one of the videos does not support your claims and suggested an alternative hypothesis
Sorry for upsetting you with discussion hot damn
Hominine@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 02:20
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A good portion of the country is batshit insane, I’d be more surprised if I didn’t see that represented in the recs
sasquatch7704@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 07:33
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Funny think about that.
I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.
So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it
brbposting@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 20:54
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The buffer only stores one video, for direct user experience purposes only, and is wiped upon playback of a subsequent video.
Well that’s just my assumption based on the company’s data privacy reputation (lul I grinned typing that)
Love how aggressive Alphabet’s Google’s YouTube is after watch history’s disabled.
WATCH HISTORY OFF!! CLICK TO ENABLE (NO RECOMMENDATIONS B/C YOU DESERVE A BLANK PAGE) OTHERWISE, AGAIN !PLEASE! !!CLICK!!
#darkpattern
sasquatch7704@lemmy.world
on 05 Apr 2025 05:55
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I think it store more if you gave history on.
Anyway the recommended are still there at the end of the video or sidebar. But yeah shitty dark pattern
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Apr 2025 22:21
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Weird.
Mine is just Anime, vtuber, tech (the good kind) and edutainment (e.g. kurzgesagt, real engineering, ezc.).
Maybe you engage heavily in political content because I mostly avoid it like the plague.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 22:23
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I have watch history disabled
Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.
I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don’t have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 03:49
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Y’all are just really desperate to kill any remaining faith I had in humanity that they aren’t all stupid selfish jerks, huh?
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 12:49
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yeah thats such a you problem, I cant believe he’s complaining about nazis being default on YouTube, that’s such an isolated problem that only affects him, and why would anyone complain about nazis anyway aren’t they the good guys? - you, apparently
They are shooting themself in the foot by not letting the algorithm do its job.
I did not say nazis are the good guys. Don’t put words in my mouth.
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 14:19
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sorry
gabbath@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 10:01
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You’re correct but the “He has a plan” one is from Money & Macro, a leftist (Marxist-friendly) economics channel. He’s trying to explain the broader strategy behind the tariffs, which (from skimming the video) seems similar to a theory Yanis Varoufakis had as well. I think it’s much simpler than that though… I think they’re just a sloppy way to appear tough on the world stage while crashing the economy so the ultrarich can pick up the pieces, but that’s just me.
Anyway you’re correct about the rest I think. And tbh even one pipeline video in the top recommended is too many.
Jubilee is a part of the same pipeline. See this for example.
LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 17:38
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MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.
As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos
You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.
There’s definitely gaming content on there, but what I’ve seen has been of the long-form analysis type.
Enkrod@feddit.org
on 04 Apr 2025 13:25
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The only way to pay for subscription is with a credit card, no thank you, my culture mostly doesn’t use those and I don’t have or want one.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 15:20
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I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF
tomenzgg@midwest.social
on 04 Apr 2025 17:18
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First I’m hearing but that doesn’t surprise me; it’s probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don’t do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-backed businesses).
They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven’t done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn’t solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 19:20
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Maybe people could read more?
Nobody needs this endless “content” slop.
For real people need to get a grip if they can’t survive without it. They’re addicted.
totally agree with reading more. text is easy to consume, easy to store, (somewhat) easy to verify (if sources are provided), and it keeps (if using dead trees for storage). ever since the pandemic i started reading more and must say i really like it
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 19:40
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What do you think keeps something deep being in the form of audio? I get that videos aren’t great for research but audio can just be written word spoken so that people that can’t read or don’t enjoy reading can experience it. I read more than pretty much anyone that I know in my age range and I don’t see myself as superior because of it and doing some comes across as frankly pomous and self important.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Apr 2025 20:30
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Horse shit.
Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn’t all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it’s easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.
Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don’t like that format?
Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don’t pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 20:32
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How about the blind and dyslexic
Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.
It’s actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what’s cheap than what is actually useful.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Apr 2025 20:47
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Don’t be disingenuous.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 20:55
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Yeah, that’s some projection. You weren’t being disingenuous to pretend that videos are more helpful to the blind than braille? Get a grip.
We’re talking about a company that is happily trampling over the rights of individuals right now, you don’t think the disabled won’t be next on their chopping block?
Hmm yes I’ll just read about how cool two bullets hitting each other in slowmotion looks. Much better experience than watching it /s
Omgboom@lemmy.zip
on 03 Apr 2025 19:38
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Go outside.
QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 19:41
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It’s not an easy answer, but the best way I’ve found so far is to use GrayJay.
If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.
Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.
StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 21:21
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Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Apr 2025 20:01
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Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.
Arkouda@lemmy.ca
on 03 Apr 2025 20:07
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Store on a hard drive instead.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Apr 2025 20:53
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They are all stored on local hdds, in fact I have two copies locally. I said it’s my cloud storage, my backup off site.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Apr 2025 22:49
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Except I do, because I don’t have off site storage. 3-2-1 my friend. If my house burnt down, without the cloud storage I’d lose everything. Separate local copies is good for defending against disk failure.
If your data isn’t worth a few bucks to secure maybe it isn’t worth the redundancies in the first place. Keep making excuses and hope they keep allowing you to access your data “for free” or at all.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 20:23
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What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?
If it’s free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Apr 2025 20:52
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I have many hard drives, and none of the videos are monetized or even publically listed. As I said, it’s my cloud storage, my offsite backup.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 20:57
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And I’m saying you’re not paying for it, and that’s the problem. Everyone got way too comfortable with getting “free” shit from corporations that would trample our rights the second it became convenient for them.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Apr 2025 21:14
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If I’m using YT as cloud backup storage for hundreds of hours of video that is unlisted, unmonetized, how am I helping them trample rights?
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 21:20
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Their ability to trample rights because of how much profit they make from horrible content is directly related to their ability to give you that space for free. “I’m not directly contributing” is a real weak excuse to keep using it, in my personal opinion.
whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.website
on 05 Apr 2025 10:58
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Just here to say it’s fucking WILD that you’re being downvoted
When I weigh the choice of handing over my personal videos to a company that is explicitly and actively going to use them to:
train and improve their massive corporate AI tools
develop their targeted ad platform (which is their real product)
build a comprehensive profile about me and my family
Or
Putting a NAS at a friends house, or paying a couple bucks a month for some block storage.
I end up preferring the second set of options. It’s fine if you don’t, but don’t pretend you have no idea that your personal videos and information are valuable to Google.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 16:39
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Thank you for engaging the question more seriously but I still don’t care for you tone to me. Good day.
That’s nice. Just exposing your dishonesty. Move along.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 03 Apr 2025 20:09
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We really should be working together to upload content from youtube to peertube instances.
Don’t ask for permission. Just do it. Civilly disobey.
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de
on 03 Apr 2025 20:24
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And who is going to pay for the bandwidth and storage space on those peertube instances?
I mean, I too want to get away from YouTube, but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 03 Apr 2025 20:33
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The people who set up the instances usually also are responsible for paying to keep them active.
but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.
I mean, they’re already there. Have you tried using Peertube?
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de
on 03 Apr 2025 21:05
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They are already there, and someone is paying for the storage and bandwidth for what’s already there. Asking for random people to start pulling videos from YouTube and uploading them to someone else’s server is going to very quickly make that server go away.
And yes, I have tried Peertube. My experience is when I click a Peertube link from Lemmy, 9/10 it is a dead link.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 03 Apr 2025 21:07
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Gonna have to ignore you, bud.
Arguing with incompetent people such as yourself is a waste of effort.
Old lemmy broke a lot of activityhub stuff unfortunately.
mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 21:07
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Yeah and it turns out that this isn’t working well. github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/5783 Video is an unsolved problem, it’s great people are working on it but we aren’t there yet. PeerTube is not a viable YouTube alternative.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 03 Apr 2025 21:09
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That’s just the nature of the internet.
I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to block you now.
I’ve seen too much incompetence on your part, and I need to stop validating it with responses.
Goodbye.
whatyousaidontwitter@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Apr 2025 21:36
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Wtf
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de
on 03 Apr 2025 22:29
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They probably thought you were me, I got blocked above for making a similar point that you’d also made (although I think you did a better job of making the point).
Apparently pointing out that Peertube still has quite a way to go to meet YouTube’s feature set just shows incompetence.
Edit:
I actually checked out their profile and we are lucky to have been blocked by them. Everything they post is either pompous, argumentative, dismissive, or some combination.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 21:12
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I dont think its ok to just rip peoples content without their permission.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 03 Apr 2025 21:13
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TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip
on 03 Apr 2025 20:39
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If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn’t replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.
MaggiWuerze@feddit.org
on 03 Apr 2025 21:46
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The usual household has nowhere near the upload capacity to meaningfully stream videos.
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip
on 04 Apr 2025 01:44
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“As many people as possible” not the usual household.
MaggiWuerze@feddit.org
on 04 Apr 2025 07:29
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Even most people hosting at home, which is already an incredibly small bubble, have only the default upload of something like 40Mbit which is more than plenty for internet usage and thus the only thing most providers supply, since people favour download speeds.
You usually have to specifically order increased uploads speed, which not enough people do to build something that could serve as an alternative to youtube
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip
on 04 Apr 2025 09:14
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Idk what to tell you man, I was just saying it would be cool if more people made a personal Peertube. Didn’t say everyone and their mother needed to make one, just that it would be nice if as many people as possible could make one. Again, I get that it can be hard, or not possible for most people, but if more people could make one, and made one, that would be cool.
MaggiWuerze@feddit.org
on 04 Apr 2025 22:38
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And I agree wholeheartedly. I’m just saying, that the idea of replacing YouTube with something federated fails due to lack of upload speeds, as cool as it would be. Still, having it even just as a small scale alternative would be cool
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 21:54
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Yep that would be nice! Yunohost can make it pretty easy to install for those of us who self host. Plus this is the fediverse. Totally agree!
Walican132@lemmy.today
on 03 Apr 2025 21:36
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Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.
UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Apr 2025 23:56
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Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.
Walican132@lemmy.today
on 04 Apr 2025 00:42
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Thanks. I can def do that on my phone. Don’t know much about how to do it on Apple TVs or Rokus but I very seldom use them for YouTube anymore anyway.
yuki2501@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 02:32
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Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz
on 04 Apr 2025 19:53
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obvs@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 19:10
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What international alternatives exist for YouTube? And I understand RedNote as an alternative for TikTok, but YouTube fills a little bit of a different niche.
jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
on 03 Apr 2025 19:19
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The closest, at least outside of China, would be Dailymotion.
Breadly@fedia.io
on 03 Apr 2025 19:49
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Allas, if you want to stay away from YouTube, you'll also want to stay away from Dailymotion. This platform is owned by Vincent Bolloré who is also the owner of the "Groupe Canal" (which includes "CNews", the french equivalent to Fox News) and a number of different far-right media. Moving to Dailymotion is not exacly what I would call a smart one.
Check out top for a decent selection. It’s a somewhat new community but we are growing fast. It’s federated and has some hidden gems from people. Has a very early YouTube feel.
roofuskit@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 19:42
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Because the user experience is horrible for non-creators.
Ulrich@feddit.org
on 03 Apr 2025 20:04
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Well, we’d have to be more specific about what parts of the “user experience” we’re talking about here in order to make that assessment.
I’m mostly talking about discoverability, the default algorithms, the lack of federation, and a way to actually filter content by language.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 03 Apr 2025 20:14
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True.
Peertube has been hamstrung by a very poorly-made design decision early on.
It’s my understanding that peertube copies all of the content from hosts it federates with. That’s a huge waste of storage and the main reason why most peertube instances hardly federate with anything.
Instead, peertube developers should implement the option for servers to duplicate data, or simply load the data through a link to a server that hosts it.
It’s still young and they’ve done a pretty good job with everything except this fundamental flaw. Hopefully if enough people hear about this idea and promote it, we can see it implemented and then Peertube can really take off.
roofuskit@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 20:23
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That’s optional. You have to opt in to mirror a server.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 03 Apr 2025 20:34
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I don’t think that’s true.
It’s my understanding that by federating, you are duplicating the data from the servers you federate with on your own.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 20:41
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The server itself has the option to turn that off or on. And most dont turn that on. Its off by default.
Source: I host a peertube instance.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 03 Apr 2025 21:07
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Does this mean users won’t be able to see videos hosted on other platforms from your instance?
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 21:26
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Thats a good question.
Users are still able to see their videos, it just does not create a local copy unless you enable that on your server. Its just a pass-though.
I don't think it's possible for PeerTube to scale to a size where it would be capable of competing with Youtube.
Ulrich@feddit.org
on 03 Apr 2025 20:06
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PeerTube is just software. It’s a decentralized network. It doesn’t have to scale to that size. You can have a million servers handling the storage and streaming in a more efficient method and democratize the bandwidth.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 20:38
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Same people that pay for lemmy. Us.
It doesn’t take much to host peertube TBH. And with each peertube instance, the videos get easier to host. It scales very well with the current iteration of software.
The two biggest issues are actually not software related:
A platform is only as good as its users (creators and users who interact). Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.
Im pretty happy with what it does NOW. I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube. I like my friends and family (and sometimes us weirdos) looking at my videos. And I like the slow trickle of people hosting their videos on say makertube, peertube.wtf, and other such platforms. They seem like really fun individuals and im having a blast.
The two biggest issues are actually not software related
I disagree, the biggest issues are related to discoverability, and most certainly software-related.
Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
Not necessarily. They only need to agree to allow an instance to mirror their content, and possibly one day contribute something to it in the event that it becomes popular enough. For now, consent is really all that’s required. The only revenue they’re missing out on is AdSense.
Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.
Patreon is one of many different ways to generate revenue. Most popular Youtubers are diversifying in various ways. The most effective of which is creating their own products and using their channels to promote them. Affiliate links/codes is another way smaller creators can diversify.
I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube.
As always, with freedom comes abuse. Youtube has a lot of regulations that can be cumbersome but also can protect creators and users.
They can not keep themselves out of drama for more than 6 months at a time. The whole situation with M left a bad taste in my mouth even though they were found legally clean. All of the other dramas that have occurred that might not be such a big deal on their own, but when they are all coming from one company it starts to paint a picture.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 21:59
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There really isn’t one. That’s why they feel that they can do whatever they feel like. They have no real competition for the type of service they offer.
BroBot9000@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 19:11
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As reported from a substack writer… 🤮
Substack platforms and monetizes Nazis.
stellargmite@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 19:12
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Mind providing a bit more context to this so I can look it up ? I’ll boycott substick if need be.
groolthedemon@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 19:18
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This one’s more recent. As of six months ago, still a problem.
stellargmite@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 19:18
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Thanks both. I’ve seen enough. Beyond problematic on substicks part.
IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Apr 2025 19:38
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Oh sorry, didn’t know about that
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Apr 2025 19:57
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So, sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?
Because a lot of the time, it’s weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.
The dude has been in the driver’s seat for pretty much every major deterioration of Google/alphabet for years.
luce@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 23:22
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it’s weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.
hard to remember name (for americans, europeans, or at least me) i assume
compare that to “Spez” which is very, very easy to remember and plaster around as the one evil to blame for a systems behavior
lumony@lemmings.world
on 03 Apr 2025 20:08
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Good.
Let people say what they want and you can ignore them if you don’t like what’s being said.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 22:13
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BASED
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Apr 2025 00:07
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I recommend you take strides to learn how propaganda works, most specifically the purpose of shifting opinion (i.e. the Overton Window): “I’m just asking questions” and “I’ll let anyone speak” are two of the most effective methods of propaganda. It does not need to be intentional on the part of the interviewer.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 04 Apr 2025 01:07
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Your problem is that you want to censor ideas you don’t like.
You want to control what other people think by dictating what they get to see and what they’re allowed to share with others.
You are going to grasp at whatever straw you can to get rid of people saying things you don’t like.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Apr 2025 01:14
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Your problem is that you want to censor ideas you don’t like.
This is a natural result of media controlled by corporate interests. It’s also a misunderstanding of “free speech” – even when you are free to say what you will, it does not mean you are free from the consequences of that speech.
You want to control what other people think by dictating what they get to see and what they’re allowed to share with others.
Again, I suggest looking into how propaganda works. Letting everyone speak about anything (without vetting of topic, qualifications, or direction) has consequences. We are seeing those consequences now and will continue to see more as the propaganda machine runs wild on the back of “let everyone speak”.
Your view of this is overly simplistic and I am, in the most polite way, attempting to direct you to self improvement. It is a common issue at the moment across all discourse – probably vestigial of the information sharing capabilities now available.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 04 Apr 2025 01:17
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I tried giving you an opportunity, but I’m going to block you now.
You people will just respond incessantly until you get what you want, so I’m going to let you have the last word.
Goodbye.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Apr 2025 01:25
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I tried giving you an opportunity, but I’m going to block you now.
nexguy@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 03:59
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Companies censor ideas all the time. McDonald’s employees don’t tell their customers how ugly they are… it’s against company policy. Youtube is a company that can implement whatever company policies they like and if you don’t like it you can go somewhere else.
no, when you obviously spouting misinformation its within peoples rights not to give you time of thier day. and thats why you would be banned in reddit surely as here eventually for the right reasons.
lumony@lemmings.world
on 04 Apr 2025 08:09
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Yeah. You want to misconstrue it as “misinformation” so that you’re automatically correct with no discussion involved and you can censor anyone who disagrees with you.
I’m going to ignore you now.
ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee
on 03 Apr 2025 20:19
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Showing how truly performative their big “ally” push was during the pandemic. All their BLM and diversity support was just as performative. Big corporations are just sycophantic monsters riding trends. Avoid them where possible.
AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com
on 03 Apr 2025 20:55
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I’m more concerned about “anti-rainbow” capitalism. Like what’s happening right now where instead of being performatively progressive they become performatively reactionary. (Well, I suppose that’s just reactionary.)
Basically what I mean is I want rainbow capitalism to exist, but in a very specific way: I want rainbow capitalism to be the bare minimum a company has to implement if they want to exist. I want the social circumstances to force them to at least pretend to be on the right side of history.
Honestly, the real problem in rainbow capitalism is the capitalism part.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 06:01
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The point is, is that it doesn’t matter. Companies are not true allies, they just do whatever earn them the most money and PR
If it means to become literal Nazis, then they become literal Nazis. And sell the supplies to the gas chambers
For sure. It was more of a “yes, and” than disagreement. Profit is such a vile incentive, literally why we can’t have nice things.
nature_man@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 22:11
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Reposting my comment another post relating to this situation
I mean this is just them making official how they’ve been acting for 2 years minimum, as much as google and youtube want to act progressive and inclusive, people still get demonetized for talking about lgbtq or women’s issues, unless they are harassing them, in which case the video will stay up no matter how many of youtube’s rules it breaks. For example, trans NB game critic Stephanie Sterling had multiple harassment videos against them (they listed pronouns as they/them last I checked, please correct if changed) that are still up right now, several years after upload, despite those videos exclusively attacking them for being trans/non-binary, which breaks youtube’s TOS
Companies are not your friend.
FreeBird@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Apr 2025 23:12
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nature_man@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 00:34
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Wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’ve had this exact thing happen to me several times. Sometimes they’ve even had slurs in their profile image or banner too.
Just don’t make a video criticizing the nazi using snippets of the nazi’s videos, because that’s when you risk getting taken down for hate speech.
Smaller channels have this happen to them on a regular basis when they criticize bigger channels like, say, Matt Walsh. In that case, it’s because YT likes the bigger channel better for giving more ad revenue, but they still know that it’s hate speech so they apply their own rule selectively… on people criticizing the hate speech. They only ban chuds after they become irrelevant, and that’s only to save face — for example, when they banned Stefan Molyneux he was hardly popular anymore, so there was no financial loss in banning him, and they could score brownie points about how progressive they are.
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 22:12
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There is one thing that is vital that is missing from peertube. Effective monetization.
By watching on peertube I am a drain on resources. A net negative. I’d happily pay to offset those costs and more, but I want it to be shared amongst multiple creators and hosters.
I don’t want to just support one, I want to support most of the network for the hosting and bandwidth, and a certain amount divided amongst the creators I watch.
If PeerTube introduces some sort of payment / monetization solution, it might get more creators as well. Without it I can’t see it growing fast enough to compete with YouTube in the near future.
Well… Sooner or later the costs of Full HD compressed video will be negligible for hosting and bandwidth, so that might be when YouTube gets a real challenge. So I guess we’ll see
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Apr 2025 22:31
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I remember the pre-Youtube internet where we created content because it was fun or educational, not because we needed money for the task of doing so.
Paying for server costs and maintaining them, sure. MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators. The rest of the people on the site, they just make good content for the sake of making good content, not because they feel the need to be paid for their time doing it.
God I miss the pre-Youtube era. “Content creators” looking for a payday via advertising are a fucking cancer.
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 02:46
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I subscribe to a lot of full time “content creators” that are ad supported and supported via donations.
I curate my feed meticulously to avoid slop, and I get a lot of value, learning and entertainment from those I follow.
I believe they deserve to be paid for the tremendous amount of work they put in.
Some sort of ability to generate a livable wage from creating high quality content seems reasonable, no?
You can pay them. They can choose to require it. Nobody needs to pay a fucking gestapo in between
TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip
on 04 Apr 2025 02:50
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I mean, sure but we are past that. No large YouTuber will give up getting paid, and go to a system with a much smaller user base so even stuff like affiliate links and sponsorships are worth less. Basically double lose money just to join peertube. Especially since most large YouTubers have a team of people who they pay, so they cannot afford for their employees sake to take such a large loss just to support peertube.
More likely this leads to Vimeo, or like twitch TikTok or something else being able to support a normal video platform than it leads to people using peertube.
I will never understand people who identify as leftist that refuse to understand that under our current economic model people require money to survive and if they do not get money for doing their creative work they might not be able to continue making that work.
It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete. There is a reason that the quality of content available on youtube has gone up massively. Say what you want about the writing but there is no way that something like helluva boss could ever have been made entirely online before youtube.
nyamlae@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 14:50
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It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete
Yes, it is, if your desire to get paid causes you to remain on corporate-controlled social media, to the detriment of society.
Not to mention, plenty of people can and do put hundreds of hours of work into projects that they don’t ask for payment for.
“Content creators” who get paid through advertisements are class traitors whose interests are aligned with the capitalist class. They will fuck over society to make a buck for themselves.
Do you think the same thing about people who work for basically any company? Because they are way more directly responsible for the actions of their corporation than the average person that makes 50k a year between AdSense and sponsors.
No, my point specifically relates to creative work. You said in your comment:
under our current economic model people require money to survive and if they do not get money for doing their creative work they might not be able to continue making that work.
This is false, basically. They can do other types of work. Creative work can be done without making money for it. Plenty of people have a day job and make creative work in their free time. The same option is not available for most other types of work, such as government, doctors, lawyers, etc. If you try to do these types of jobs outside of the framework of a regulated business, you’ll get the book thrown at you.
The issue I’m getting at isn’t “are you responsible for the actions you take to make a living”. Rather, I’m getting at the issue of “does creative work require becoming an employee of a capitalist company, thereby siding with its shareholders in having a vested interest in increasing that company’s profits regardless of the societal damage caused?”
The answer to that question is a resounding “no”. Creatives need to grow a spine and get a day job.
Why specifically creatives? There are so many other professions that are more important to someones everyday life and no one seems to hold the same vitriol at them valuing their time that people do for creatives. I don’t see people suggesting that nurses get a day job and do nursing on the side.
It has to do with the societal consequences of how them “valuing their time” impacts people. Nurses refusing to do volunteer nursing has little impact on the overall system of access to healthcare.
Healthcare is heavily regulated through legislation, and is going to be free or paid or corporate or not corporate largely as a result of the legislation. Nurses can’t just do what they want. People who are concerned about the state of healthcare should therefore change things by targeting legislation, not by targeting nurses.
Creative work is not like this. Creatives refusing to do do volunteer creative work means that either they will charge for their work, which creates a barrier to access, or they will use (and push others to use) platforms like YouTube and TokTok that make money from ad data.
The former choice results in class differences in access to art, and the latter choice results in everyone using platforms that have proven themselves to be hostile to minoritized groups and progressive causes. These outcomes aren’t legislated – they are the result of creatives choosing to “value their time”.
In otherwords, creatives choosing to “value their time” means that they will happily enforce class-based restrictions in access to art, and will happily support conservative corporations and surveillance capitalism.
And I practice what I preach, too. I have spent thousands of hours developing free software and making free educational materials for people, donating my labour to support progressive causes and supporting others who do the same. Creatives who insist on charging for their work are a ball and chain on the movements I support. They are leeches and class traitors.
Creatives should value other people. Fuck their time.
TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip
on 04 Apr 2025 21:12
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“you’re not a leftist unless you have daddies money to support you wasting 100 hours on a 20m video.” Certainly is… a take. But anyways, I’m not even talking about being leftist or not or whatever. I just mean, people. Period. It’s not selfish to want to get paid for making something. People need money to live.
Are there content creators who fucking suck? Yes. But there’s also ones that don’t. They’re allowed to make money.
People expect to pay a carpenter or a plumber for their services, why shouldn’t entertainers and content creators be allowed to get paid for their work?
FreakinSteve@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 04:04
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Nebula
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world
on 03 Apr 2025 22:53
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A real alternative to YouTube would be so good right now.
FreakinSteve@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 04:04
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This was bound to happen after the election results just a matter of time. Also, hate speech related content possibly gets a lot of clicks. So capitalism benefits. Next is, possibly but hopefully not, Bluesky’s official server.
IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Apr 2025 23:42
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I dont see Bluesky going down the enshittification path thát fast
Hopefully. If Youtube did it, who’s to say now that Bluesky may or may not jump ship? It’s an industry. However, i’m mainly pointing at the main server, other servers on Bluesky might not jump ship so fast, or not at all (ideally).
I dont trust anything that isn’t fully decentralized. Bluesky is very weird in that regard, its partially centralised. I guess it’s better than Twitter (but that is setting the bar very low). I still refrain from using it too often.
It will almost certainly have ads in the future and will inevitably go down the path of reddit, twitter and Facebook so I prefer to use something that is completely out of reach of the CEO if something goes to shit.
We need sites that are decentralized and make clear where their funding comes from. In the end, users need to be prepared to fund the services they use to keep them honest. This is especially true of video which is very expensive to host.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Apr 2025 00:05
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“Don’t Be Evil”
(I know this hasn’t been the Google motto in years – when it stopped was one of the biggest corporate red flags)
bunkyprewster@startrek.website
on 04 Apr 2025 00:22
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Google now reserves the right to “be evil”.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Apr 2025 00:29
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It’s right there in the TOS! /s
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 04:02
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If they were really serious about not being evil, they would’ve formed as a public benefit corporation (which they did not).
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Apr 2025 04:09
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Yes. Avenues exist. But money is corrupting.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 06:56
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„Be evil, break people“ is the current motto of silicon valley.
ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 01:39
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That is why centralized platforms, especially powerful ones, are sitting ducks waiting to become even more corrupt. Why more people are not leaving centralized services is a crime against humanity as it is clear that supporting theme means society suffers.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org
on 04 Apr 2025 04:45
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The ‘not leaving centralized services’ thing isn’t really helped when there’s basically no other viable alternatives, like is the case with YT. PeerTube exists, sure, but it’s a content desert, sadly.
Now, if PeerTube had more content to choose from…
Really though, Reddit, Meta, Twitter, and Discord all have viable decentralized alternatives in the form of Lemmy, Pixelfed, Mastodon (Mastodon serving as an alternative for both Facebook and Twitter), and Matrix respectively, why can’t PeerTube serve as a truly viable decentralized alternative for YT?
Even Linux is in its glow-up arc as a viable Windows alternative lately ffs, and I’m glad to have been on that bandwagon for years before that platform started gaining mainstream attention.
The big problem with PeerTube(PT) is that there is no advertising. As it stands now people are burning money in order to run a PT instance and YouTube(YT) was not at all profitable for many years so it is unlikely that PT ever will be unless people start being willing to pay for people to upload their content to PT. There are ways that you could make PT profitable but it would end up making it into something more similar to Patreon or Nebula.
AkashicOwl@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 12:04
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It’s harder than that IMO. There are plenty alternatives to many bad things but people just don’t care. Just like Linux, for the average person that’s got enough shit to deal with, they don’t wanna add what they perceive like a difficulty and remove comfort by having to start from scratch with less options. Also, being cut from the mainstream trends, and the general social thing.
Not speaking for me as I’ve been mostly degoogling and demicrosofting, even tho I still partly feeling like that for YouTube that’s been a very valuable part of my life (yes. I do read and go outside. But please stop suggesting that to people in such threads, that’s missing the point), and that I couldn’t let go off yet.
Alternatives rn are either totally devoid of content (at least, the one I like), or paid (didn’t gave a shot to Nebula, I’ll browse it and see, but it might be hard to beat both my favorite creators I spent years curating, and the fact that you can find anything on any obscure thing)
Yeah there are a lot of factors at play. I have YT premium because my parents still pay for a family plan even though I am out of the house so I don’t think I’ll be getting off YT for a while at least.
Nebula also doesn’t have a comment section which is invaluable when someone makes a mistake or you disagree with someone on a point.
AkashicOwl@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 21:28
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Yeesh. A paid service and they don’t even have a comment section (plus there doesn’t seem to be a lot of videos on a few subjects I like)? Don’t wanna be a crybaby but they’re really making things harder.
There’s some justification for this idea since the people who buy the products advertised by ads are the source of the money that goes to the producers of the videos.
Trihilis@ani.social
on 04 Apr 2025 04:59
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Good lord, the amount of idiots that white knighted me for using uBlock.
“WOULD U WORK FOR FREEEEE???”
Like fuck off no I wouldn’t. I also dont buy up every other company I see, turn it to shit and then try to force a political agenda through it, and guess who IS doing that using billions of dollars? Yep, Google.
SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 08:17
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Won’t someone think of the shareholders?
/s
Ledericas@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 07:21
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youtube is too infested with ads, to make me disable ublock origin for my favorite channels. in anycase most of the channels become greedy pos overtime anyways. outside of pet one/animals/stem ones, ones that are just gossip or reaction or like mr beasts videos are no good.
YouTube on mobile is intolerable these days. NewPipe is the way for Android, though Google is in a constant battle to disable it.
skisnow@lemmy.ca
on 04 Apr 2025 03:04
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When an influential group of powerful people make hate speech a part of their standard rhetoric, is EXACTLY when you MUST block it on your platform, not a signal that it’s time to start letting it slide, you fucking pricks.
Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 03:24
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Pichai kissed the ring. He’s colluding with the person who tried to overturn the elections and install himself as a ruler.
All of the billionaires that were at the inauguration are in the same boat. I’m at a point where I believe the crimes of any of them should be tried and convicted with the punishments being doled out collectively to all colluders, but that’s me.
I’d be going for the death penalty from the prosecution side, since it seems like that is what we do now to people who cause one or more people to die, no matter how unethical the victim(s) were.
I wonder if Tim Cook is there too. It would make sense for him and Apple to resist this at least somehow but…
noxypaws@pawb.social
on 04 Apr 2025 16:16
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Tim Cook is just as fucking evil as the rest of them.
RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 04:36
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Google should get destroyed
slaacaa@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 04:54
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Don’t be evil
spicehoarder@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 05:07
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I hated Google far before it was cool. I would feel vindicated if it weren’t so damn overdue. They don’t even contribute meaningfully to society. And I mean that about EVERYTHING
Gmail is lame, their search engine sucks, chrome wastes resources, their ads platform ruined the internet, Golang fundamentally sucks, the emulation layer of android is so fucking wasteful, Material Design ruined digital creativity, etc.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 06:21
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It’s okay. I gotcha so you don’t got to ssy it
Spicehoarder told y’all so!
ivanafterall@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 10:16
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I need someone like you around.
treesapx@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 06:22
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Google search feels like it has stopped being the magic it was. Now whenever I search for something I might not find it underneath all the stuff on sale. For the first time in I don’t know how many years I’ve been finding myself using something else like Duck Duck Go.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 06:26
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The AI nonsense, the flawed ranking and the pages of sponsored links. Honestly, Google is just straight up useless.
13igTyme@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 06:42
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I used to use Google shopping to find certain items and compare websites. Now the entire left side that used to be a filter list is replaced. When you click a “filter” option it just adds text to the search bar. Then it will include an essay about why these are your options for something and recommend top brands, but then just list everything.
joshchandra@midwest.social
on 04 Apr 2025 16:38
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Consider the decentralized family of trom.tf apps, such as search.trom.tf as a replacement (that’s the only one I use of their stuff so far… but may poke around more later).
spicehoarder@lemm.ee
on 06 Apr 2025 00:44
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What a treasure trove. I love lemmy
joshchandra@midwest.social
on 06 Apr 2025 02:57
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Ironically… I myself found this through Reddit, no joke! But yeah, I hope to sway more people here.
AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:56
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Yep, that’s intentional. They stopped prioritizing user experience and started prioritizing ad revenue instead a while ago
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 07:32
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You think chrome is bad? You should try the GCP console, 2 tabs were using 15GB RAM.
Kolanaki@pawb.social
on 04 Apr 2025 08:19
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their ads platform ruined the internet
Ads were the bane of the internet FAR before Google even fucking existed. lol
and yet somehow google made it worse. Not only are there more ads than ever before, but now it’s also a panopticon.
noxypaws@pawb.social
on 04 Apr 2025 16:29
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What’s wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well
spicehoarder@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 17:17
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The key point here is our programmers…
They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language…
So, the language that we give them has to be easy for them to understand
―Rob ‘Commander’ Pike, creator of Go
strange, they have allowed it ont he channel for quite a while, alot of the videos were mostly directed at transpeople in the form of anti-woke videos. like that channel where it had 20 magats arguing vs 1 “liberal”.
right wing drives viewers to grifters, and those have ads which benefits youtube.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 07:39
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Also right wingers are dumb as hell and don’t use adblock.
Everyone should check out PeerTube sometime, the UX has improved a lot and there’s a decent amount of content too. I recommend installing the PeerTube Companion app. It shows a popup on YouTube if you’ve clicked on a video that is also available on PeerTube.
floofloof@lemmy.ca
on 04 Apr 2025 13:15
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How is discoverability in PeerTube? That was the sticking point for me with PeerTube as with Mastodon last time I looked. It was not easy to discover what’s out there.
Still not that great, I rely on the companion to redirect me to channels through YouTube.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 15:23
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Yeah best we have right now is subscribing to the lemmy/piefed communities like /c/peertube and seeing what you like. For better or for worse, there is no algorithm. Moreso in peertube than others.
AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:53
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Yeah this is the kicker for me and for most others. It won’t ever replace youtube until it can implement similar discoverability features and improve the onboarding process. Youtube is run by the shitlords, yes, but it’s also a service that has no equal, literally has no peers. Until it does, it will remain uncontested and they’ll be able to get away with whatever policy changes please them (and their dictator-in-chief. And their shareholders)
VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 19:57
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both offer more curated platforms that arent owned and operated by the broligarchy
I realize Peertube is free and Floss but it’s esoteric and lacking buy in; like a great open source console with no games. (Whats more if you dont use a VPN it can be used to track your view history, iirc)
I’m broke af but planning on getting subscriptions to both asap; real shit bc if the monetization model is “free” (ads) then you the viewer are the product, units for their ecomomy.
and they’ll canibalize you when their done with queer people, brown people and other marginalized folks like me.
Ledericas@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 07:15
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youtube has enshittified for a while, they went downhill as soon as they announced that they no longer backed election denial reports. then all the right wing, anti-woke videos started popping up all over the place, plus the one that try to seem like its both sides videos too.
allowing people like beast, and others to dominate the front, was asking for trouble.
Chocobofangirl@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 15:30
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It used to say gender expression and identity. If it doesn’t, that’s a deliberate decision that could cause enforcement calls like ‘well that’s not your REAL gender so this isn’t harassment’.
I mean… It’s already over-specified compared to others: “sex, gender or sexual orientation”. It’d be equally right to criticize religion for why don’t they write “belief, spiritualism, religion”, and to include identity, and expression.
They should just write “sex stuff”, and everyone is happy.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 10:00
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While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention ‘sex, gender, or sexual orientation’, which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.
patatahooligan@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 14:55
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“Gender” means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn’t protect trans people, for example. We don’t know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don’t consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with “gender identity and expression”.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 15:00
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This is not a legal contract, it’s a general guideline for users about what is or isn’t acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn’t matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 15:30
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It doesn’t. It’s not like this page gets used internally. They have their own internal guidelines for that.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 14:10
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Man this whole anticipatory compliance with the fascist regime shit is fucking awful
ameancow@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 15:29
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Welcome to how the world has always worked and always will. There’s gin to help wash the black pill down.
LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 22:48
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It’s like Roko’s Basilisk playing out in real time, except instead of building a malignant computer out of fear it’s accelerating a fascist takeover.
mooncake@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 15:18
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It’s time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi
ameancow@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 15:33
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Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No really, this is a phenomenon that’s known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn’t played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard “made them nostalgic” and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn’t have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.
And there are far, FAR more people like this than there are people with steadfast principles and discipline to stick to them. The depressing majority of people are not really thinking, they’re just going with the flow, agreeing with popular sentiment when it’s convenient, doing whatever they want when nobody is looking because capitalism has bled our axioms out.
If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, actually talking to people in our communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)
edit: I firmly stand by my claim that you can change the world a lot better by being a good, active, social person who organizes your community. If we all kinda, embraced this as a passion and cared about people who aren’t in our discord servers, we wouldn’t need to try to boycott companies who won’t give two shits about you giving them more press.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
on 04 Apr 2025 15:40
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Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No they aren’t? People just haven’t actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of “ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you”.
Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla’s stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).
This isn’t to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn’t better spent elsewhere, but don’t dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.
ameancow@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 15:56
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Strikes do a lot more damage to companies. I think a lot of people mix the two ideas up.
The last most successful boycotts were mostly ones you never heard of, and at least one you rather not hear of. We managed to get tuna companies to pretend to harm fewer dolphins in 1988. Before that is was things like the 1965 Delano Grape Strike and the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott. The most recent boycott that actually got a company to change its marketing and outreach was the Bud Lite/Dylan Mulvaney boycott by the anti-trans right.
If you think you can get enough people as worked up about an issue as the chuds were about a single commercial featuring someone they were scared of, then by all means let’s fire up all the engines and get boycotting. Otherwise, I would encourage people who work at these tech companies to start talking about unions and making change from the inside. But none of that does as much damage to a company as getting politicians installed who are already taking bribes from other companies. Yes this is a dark perspective, you’re welcome to disagree but in my nearly five decades on Earth this is just what I’ve seen over and over.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
on 04 Apr 2025 16:37
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I don’t want to take away from the general thrust of your point, I just don’t think we have actually seen boycotts that people were actually fired up en masse to enforce.
I think up until right this very moment the general center of mass of society has been largely ok with most of what capitalism is, I think that is going to continue to drastically change, and we will see a lot more wildcat boycotts of companies that significantly hurt them.
That being said I agree that overly focusing on that as a strategy isn’t necessarily wise, but boycotts are definitely a weapon that can absolutely blow up the bridges of corporate 'Murica.
Letsdothisok@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:38
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No, this boycott at least isn’t “working” to any serious degree. And teslas stock is negligibley effected by any the protest. It can all be so subjective, though, anyway.
Lol, no, i looked it up, this is not a “VERY” successful boycott. Not in the least.
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf
on 04 Apr 2025 17:39
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Yeah, the Tesla boycott totally didn’t work…
Letsdothisok@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:27
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They say when a boycott meets a girlcott, a baby cot is born…
ameancow@lemmy.world
on 05 Apr 2025 14:29
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Best reply I got here tbh.
HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 15:29
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It’s almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.
samus12345@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 16:36
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It’s too hard to change anything, but only if it’s progressive policies. Fascist policies can be implemented immediately.
TheEntity@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:44
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It’s too hard to change anything if one believes in laws, rules and the general idea of a fair justice. They don’t have this limitation.
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 19:55
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Well. Being a bigoted asshole is easy.
Actually being inclusive and nice to people takes effort.
Sizing2673@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:06
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This is what’s fucking shitty about this
Every company and every politician and every person who bends over so willingly IS THE PROBLEM
It’s like they announce their regime and these idiots roll out the red carpets immediately ready be the first company to suck the government off
If they all stood their ground, it would buy more time
darthelmet@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 19:23
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It’s almost like their support for these issues was never genuine to begin with.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 20:02
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Was yours? Commenting online isn’t exactly fighting the good fight. Did you do anything to help shore up and defend anything.
These companies face legal action from the government that was elected. A government elected who won power by spreading their shitty ideology everywhere.
darthelmet@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 20:28
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I’m not talking about personal actions. I personally believe in equality and I wish I could do more about that even if there are all sorts of personal reasons that’s difficult for me.
Corporations don’t believe anything. They’re just profit optimizing machines. They were doing rainbow capitalism when they thought it would be more profitable and now that they think the opposite is more profitable, they’ll do that. It’s as simple as that and hoping corporations would be allies in a fight for equality was always based on a misunderstanding about power.
It’s not like corporations don’t have power that can resist government action. Look at how effectively they’ve evaded taxes and regulations. The big international ones can threaten to take their ball and leave if they don’t like a country’s policies. And that’s when they don’t just bribe politicians to change them.
The workers at those companies are people though. Labor organizing was always going to be necessary to build up power for change. Not saying it’s easy and I can’t fault someone for worrying about losing their job, but if resistance was going to happen anywhere that’s where it would be. Not in boardrooms or alone in a booth.
But there’s the difference. It’s one thing to have convictions but not the means or courage to act on them. It’s another thing to have power, but lack convictions beyond whatever is currently convenient. The former could overcome those obstacles given the right circumstances. The latter never will.
brysmi@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 20:31
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Gosh, Melvin, what a hero you are.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 21:06
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Commenting online is fighting the good fight. Online sentiment is shifted by commenting online and online sentiment plays a huge role in influencing the acceptable opinions.
FriendBesto@lemmy.ml
on 05 Apr 2025 21:50
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Exactly. :-/
menemen@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 23:26
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They didn’t capitulate. They never fought. They just did what was the best shot at earning money and gaining ground at the time.
Don’t ever expect moral based behavior in capitalism or geopolitics.
FriendBesto@lemmy.ml
on 05 Apr 2025 21:50
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They didn’t capitulate. They were mostly faking it all along, friend. It made for good profit at the time and to get good Blackrock or Vanguard investment money.
This is why despite putting rainbows in X, or FB, or YT, or LinkedIn profiles in the USA or in some Western countries, no company ever did that in any profile outside the West.
It was all for show… and money.
If they actually believe it they would have done so across the board. Yet they didn’t. They were just hoping most people wouldn’t notice. Many did. There was a meme RE: this floating around from years ago, too.
carrion0409@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 15:33
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First reddit now youtube. Welcome to the tech broligarchy
AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:45
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We need a good federated youtube replacement so badly…
lukstru@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:46
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PeerTube isn’t bad, it just has no content
AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 19:04
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Yeah, and the platform is set up in a way that hinders onboarding and discoverability of what’s there (at least, compared to youtube’s approach…). These are all problems that prevent it from replacing YouTube. If you read Peertube’s official site they even say upfront that they’re not trying to be a YouTube replacement
Muyal@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 20:44
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It is kinda bad. Especially when it comes to finding content or getting noticed
nibble4bits@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Apr 2025 19:30
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It’s always a question of money. It costs money to make quality content. YouTube has content because they share ad revenue to their content providers. That expands the more popular the content is because there are more ads displayed. That revenue lets the creators expand their capabilities with better gear and stage sets. Federated networks usually depend initially on volunteers and alternative ways of earning revenue for those instances besides ads.
suite403@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 21:09
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Kind of. I think more than that YouTube has the traffic and people go where traffic is. Especially content creators. Many content creators have patreon accounts or similar to help pay the bills. And I rarely watch YouTube without an ad blocker, which I would assume is becoming more common. Can’t exactly pay creators with revenue that isn’t there.
moonbunny@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 21:17
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It’s even more difficult since the content has to be stored somewhere, and needs to be streamed which requires storage and processing power, with the latter needing to be able to scale so the user experience doesn’t get bogged down by new people joining.
The entire revenue model of compensating the host and content creator does require a rethink, but it’s hard to see how that could be done without paywalling access to host, view, and/or both of the above.
Tbh money could be the initiative. So many content creators nowadays have platforms beside YouTube. Often even self hosted weboages. If a federated alternative would come up, they could just set up an own server and keep all the earnings.
This would somehow need to get started though. No idea how.
FatTony@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 15:35
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Probably because no one is actually using any gender identity based bigotry any more. So they might as well just remove it, it saves space. /s
diemartin@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 16:24
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Don’t Be Evil
samus12345@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 16:34
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Slavishly Follow the Fascist Government’s Lead
Orangutanion@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 17:24
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I am a building
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 04 Apr 2025 17:47
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WHO ARE YOU I AM FROM ANCIENT GREECE
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 20:39
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If you don’t use the strikeout, you can save millions of dollar on toner/ink from not printing out an extra word at a corpo that big. I think I deserve a promotion for that insight as well, well worth the extra money!
FrameXX@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Apr 2025 17:00
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Do the “right” thing.
Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip
on 04 Apr 2025 18:11
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I would appreciate it if we could just get rid of this dumbass “hate speech” rule.
AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:45
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I would appreciate it if we could get rid of this dumbass. ^
Soleos@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:51
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This is an unhelpful and condescending comment. It dismisses the meaningful activities people engage in online as “not life”: self expression, creating art and community, working, socializing, enjoying entertainment, and learning new things. It proposes a false dichotomy wherein not-online is utopic with universally accessible activities and, especially, an absence of the very same people who make online spaces toxic hellholes. They are present in “real spaces” too. These are not mutually exclusive things. You are likely to find that pro-social activists online are often try to be pro-social activists in person as well.
That being said, I agree that people get terminally online and that balancing digital and physical lives are important. Managing attention and mental health are important, especially when content about important and meaningful topics turn into viral and incessant feeds that are geared to overwhelm human brains that weren’t evolved to handle such constant cognitive/emotional stress.
Take care out there folks.
iridebikes@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 18:52
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No thanks.
desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 19:04
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What else am I going to do when I’m stuck in an office 10 hours every day?
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 19:53
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Hey. I’m learning Spanish, I’m a volunteer, and I run and cycle on the regular!
Somehow, that doesn’t stop you sounding like a bigot though…
TemplaerDude@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 19:32
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They also allowed a pedo back on their platform
Gstocklein@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
on 04 Apr 2025 21:35
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Dr D?
TemplaerDude@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 23:34
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The one and only
cotlovan@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 19:45
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As i signed up for this sub, I thought I’d be reading about technology. Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology, so naturally they call everyone nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean.
Just because someone doesn’t want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn’t mean they’re nazis. But I guess that’s not something that this sub is ready to face.
VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Apr 2025 19:50
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Of course everyone is allowed to speak their mind. But being called names for not supporting a particular point of view sounds like hate speech to me, wouldn’t you agree?
slackassassin@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Apr 2025 22:40
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abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or most importantly against people who have just the worst takes.
Hmmm, checks out. I guess the technology platform, YouTube, should get right on that too.
suite403@lemmy.world
on 05 Apr 2025 18:27
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No, hate speech is targeting someone for how they were born. (Skin color, sexual orientatio, gender identity, ect.) Reacting to someone saying stupid shit is not hate speech and dilutes the meaning of the word to use it that way.
wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml
on 04 Apr 2025 21:11
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Sure, if your issue is that it’s okay for corporations to remove protections for hate speech towards marginalized groups, then yes, go get bent. This kind of false equivalence between normalizing hate and ostraciszing progressives for speaking out against oppression is EXACTLY what we’re fighting against. What in the hell is the ‘rhetoric’ do you disagree with? Having empathy for lgbtq+ people? Jesus. If so, this is definitely not the place for you.
Speaking about false equivalence, how did you came to the conclusion that just because I don’t find a corporation removing gender stuff from their policies relevant from a technological stand point - makes me an LGBT hater? You seem to already have made your mind, you probably did assume that I’m a trump supporter who wanna see gays being hanged, even though I was saying that I expected more tech and less gender politics from this sub.
There are a lot of subs dedicated to LGBT, I came here for tech. Which sub would in your opinion be more appropriate for tech talk if not this one?
wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml
on 04 Apr 2025 23:13
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When big Tech, especially the biggest video platform in the world, does something like this it is relevant to tech. The better question is, if you do support lgbtq+ people, why the public freakout about mentioning a far reaching tech policy, by one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) tech company in the world, on a tech sub?
redwattlebird@lemmings.world
on 04 Apr 2025 21:30
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No, you’re definitely allowed. Otherwise you’d have had your comments removed from the public discourse.
The up and downs just gauge public approval to the comment. Remember, you’re also free to up and down vote to voice your disagreement.
Also remember, if you think everyone around you are assholes then likely you’re the asshole.
Edit: I just saw your other comment on the lack of variety of posts. Be the change you want to see. Find something interesting and make a post!
odelik@lemmy.today
on 04 Apr 2025 19:51
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Just your garden variety bigots and assholes then?
Also, I think you should read up on what facisim is and why it’s being so widely used right now as highly oppressive rhetoric is being pushed from many far-right leaders throughout the world.
I know exactly what fascism means, and often what the left is doing aligns better with the definition than what the right is doing. Also, let’s not forget that “nazi” is a short form for “national socialism”
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 19:56
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I’m with you on the “they’re not Nazi thing”
I think Lemmy is being a space for targeted radicalization for certain groups.
But still I think you’re wrong that we can separate technology from this political stuff right now. It’s not separate. Technology is the medium that groups are using to spread this stuff. It’s important and interesting to see how they’re doing it.
Content should focus on the tech side of it. And also why be angry at the side that’s just trying to protect their freedoms here. If it wasn’t for the people trying to limit their freedoms, we’d never hear of this stuff.
The issue isn’t people trying to identify as another gender. It’s the people saying no they can’t and then abusing their power and influence to do it.
Sure, you can’t always separate the technology from the politics, my issue was that this is what most posts around here are about. I took a look and most content comes a few accounts, and it’s always about the “nazi this” and “fascist that”. Is that really only thing that happens in the tech space, what Musk said and what YouTube changed in their policy?
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 23:04
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Most of the top feed I see is against AI
UltraMasculine@sopuli.xyz
on 04 Apr 2025 20:14
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Seems like you are getting downvoted, but I agree with you that nowadays people use words like nazi and fascist very loosely. I’m very sure that a large part of the people can’t tell what nazi or fascist really is without looking it on Wikipedia.
suite403@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 21:20
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Seeing as you apparently need someone to look the word up for you.
Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition
Let’s see.
Christian nationalism is a huge part of Trumps support group
Cops target brown people to attempt to deport them and Trump pardons them for ignoring court orders to stop (Joe Apaio)
Trump continues to deport people based on skin and looks without due process. Ignoring courts telling him to stop.
Trumps America first slogan is eerily similar to Hitlers slogan.
Trump is starting to isolate the US from the rest of the world (but curiously not Russia)
But I do agree, they’re not Nazis, they’re MAGA. Their own brand of fascism.
wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml
on 04 Apr 2025 21:12
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nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean
I am Jack’s complete lack of self awareness
redwattlebird@lemmings.world
on 04 Apr 2025 21:26
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Hang on. I just scrolled down the comments list for a couple of minutes and didn’t see anyone calling anyone else a Nazi or a fascist. What are you going on about?
And YouTube is a company. They don’t believe in anything except increasing shareholder value. It’s got nothing about far left or whatever. Gender identity isn’t even a far left idea, unless your Overton window is skewed.
Also, you’ve just sort of outed yourself unnecessarily as an ignorant bigot in a left leaning community with your statement:
Just because someone doesn’t want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn’t mean they’re nazis
Of course they’re not Nazis. No one’s calling them a Nazi. They’re calling that someone a bigot.
Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology
Actually, it’s people who are concerned about companies kowtowing to a fascist regime, the Trump government.
LMurch@thelemmy.club
on 04 Apr 2025 21:32
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Thanks?
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Apr 2025 21:37
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Womp womp, get bent and bootlick Trump in hopes he might acknowledge you for his next grift.
GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 20:56
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Keep using uorigin for blocking as. Also use Firefox.
suite403@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 21:03
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And newpipe on Android.
quid_pro_joe@infosec.pub
on 04 Apr 2025 21:57
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I used newpipe for a long time, currently using a fork called pipepipe. I forgot why I switched lol
IllNess@infosec.pub
on 05 Apr 2025 04:35
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Probably for SponsorBlock.
quid_pro_joe@infosec.pub
on 07 Apr 2025 23:26
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You’re correct! And its done such a good job that it’s allowed me to forget (unintentionally) that issue even exists!
suite403@lemmy.world
on 05 Apr 2025 18:31
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Ooh, great to know. Thanks!
lumony@lemmings.world
on 05 Apr 2025 00:10
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Switch to AdNauseam.
It clicks ads in addition to blocking them.
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml
on 05 Apr 2025 10:31
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What does this achieve other than funneling money from companies’ advertising budget to Google a little faster?
lumony@lemmings.world
on 05 Apr 2025 10:33
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It undermines the integrity of the digital advertising ecosystem while providing additional income for website operators.
MasterReflection1916@lemm.ee
on 04 Apr 2025 21:02
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Look at the latest executive order on “protecting children”. They are planning for eugenics.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Apr 2025 21:35
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More proof Rainbow Capitalism was a lie/ad campaign to take more money from queers.
I wish I could rub this in the face of every cishet who said Rainbow Capitalism was actual progress.
zenforyen@feddit.org
on 04 Apr 2025 22:34
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Haha absolutely, I’m also one of the people who always said all this rainbow and green washing is bullshit. As if they ever cared for anything.
Capitalism has no values, except for one: shareholder value. Yesterday they help sending people to concentration camps, today they help saving the world and increasing diversity, yeah, totally convincing.
There is one thing to rely on with capitalism - if you convince people you can make good money with it or it is good for the brand, they will jump onto it and squeeze the shit out of it. An abstract, amoral force, made from a large number of concrete shitty people.
InsincereLogic@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Apr 2025 22:59
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(For reference: I am cishet, but have family & friends in the LGBTQ+ community and consider myself an ally.) Usually just lurk, but I feel you so badly.
I’ve been saying it forever as well. They’re spending millions, to specifically target/advertise/appeal to the community… out of the goodness of their hearts? Right.
Then as soon as its “over”, the facade drops and its on to the next big event/target market. Rinse and repeat.
daddakamabb@lemmy.world
on 05 Apr 2025 13:12
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As a cishet I saw it what was as soon as they started it. It was about 10-15 years ago. It was sleazy then, and it’s sleazy now. They are just trying to milk the population as much as they can. They don’t give two fucks about inclusiveness or equality. They know a large portion of Americans want equality. So it’s a cash cow.
deepfuckingdumb@lemmy.world
on 04 Apr 2025 23:07
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I mean, in the past companies wouldn’t be caught dead associating with LGBTQ+ people, let alone take their money. Now LGBTQ+ is acceptable enough for predatory advertising so…idk progress from like a fucked up capitalist perspective I guess?
InsincereLogic@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 05 Apr 2025 00:52
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Rainbow line must go up
u10ji@programming.dev
on 05 Apr 2025 08:09
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I’m a little bit confused on this: if you visit the policy page now it does (at least for me, in Europe) still list “Sex, Gender, or Sexual Orientation” as a protected group in that exact same list. Obviously slightly different as they’ve combined a couple of different groups in there where previously they were delineated: plus I wonder if this is potentially showing because I’m in a different region. Would be interested to see what someone in NA sees: support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801939
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Stop using youtube.
EDIT: A lot of people real fuckin triggered by this and looking for any excuse to keep using. Fucking addicts.
What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.
nebula.tv
Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.
Sadly I couldn’t get it to stream reliably though it’s been a few months since I unsubscribed.
Interesting, I’ve never had an issue with the video stream on nebula
The popular YouTubers are trash tho
Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene “anti-woke” trash.
The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.
EDIT:
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Here’s after me watching an old Lightning Bolt music video. Six videos are related to Lightning Bolt, being live videos or music videos, but a solid four videos are all weird right-wing Nazi pipeline shit. One defending Trump and saying he has a plan, one lamenting the pushback against Tesla, one shitting on the new Snow White for being “woke,” and one literally with the giant title “fuck your pronouns.” Plus one old cartoon and an episode of Surrounded with one doctor vs. twenty anti-vax (I am not convinced this Surrounded show actually does anything helpful for any discourse.) I have watch history disabled so none of this comes from my watch history, this is the default that youtube gives to people.
The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?
Oh, so it’s just wall street dick sucking and pretending the whole “market” isn’t just a rigged game? Counts as right-wing slop to me.
Considering we have a fuck-ton of evidence from research that it isn’t just what other people watch that determines it: Yes, it is actually. Sorry these aren’t fucking videos so that you’ll actually pay attention to them.
ucdavis.edu/…/youtube-video-recommendations-lead-…
dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3351095.3372879
A lot of defense for a company that is literally in the process of saying “fuck your rights” to the same people being attacked in a lot of these videos. Jesus christ.
Dude chill out, why are you so angry? I merely pointed out that one of the videos does not support your claims and suggested an alternative hypothesis
Sorry for upsetting you with discussion hot damn
Username checks out.
Maybe take a break dude, no need to be this hostile over some youtube videos
Let me know if you find any of that trash on Nebula.
Yeah, exactly. This argument about YouTube isn’t relevant to Nebula.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Nebula is all “bread tubers” and left adjacent.
Wow your YouTube recommendations are very different from mine.
Well, that might be the cause. Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.
Agreed.
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It depends on area and trackers. They have a bias but you are also a valid target
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A good portion of the country is batshit insane, I’d be more surprised if I didn’t see that represented in the recs
Funny think about that.
I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.
So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it
The buffer only stores one video, for direct user experience purposes only, and is wiped upon playback of a subsequent video.
Well that’s just my assumption based on the company’s data privacy reputation (lul I grinned typing that)
Love how aggressive Alphabet’s Google’s YouTube is after watch history’s disabled.
#darkpattern
I think it store more if you gave history on. Anyway the recommended are still there at the end of the video or sidebar. But yeah shitty dark pattern
Weird.
Mine is just Anime, vtuber, tech (the good kind) and edutainment (e.g. kurzgesagt, real engineering, ezc.).
Maybe you engage heavily in political content because I mostly avoid it like the plague.
Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.
I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don’t have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.
That’s a you problem. Why are you complaining?
Y’all are just really desperate to kill any remaining faith I had in humanity that they aren’t all stupid selfish jerks, huh?
yeah thats such a you problem, I cant believe he’s complaining about nazis being default on YouTube, that’s such an isolated problem that only affects him, and why would anyone complain about nazis anyway aren’t they the good guys? - you, apparently
They are shooting themself in the foot by not letting the algorithm do its job.
I did not say nazis are the good guys. Don’t put words in my mouth.
sorry
You’re correct but the “He has a plan” one is from Money & Macro, a leftist (Marxist-friendly) economics channel. He’s trying to explain the broader strategy behind the tariffs, which (from skimming the video) seems similar to a theory Yanis Varoufakis had as well. I think it’s much simpler than that though… I think they’re just a sloppy way to appear tough on the world stage while crashing the economy so the ultrarich can pick up the pieces, but that’s just me.
Anyway you’re correct about the rest I think. And tbh even one pipeline video in the top recommended is too many.
Jubilee is a part of the same pipeline. See this for example.
MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.
As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos
You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.
None of that has anything to do with the creators on Nebula or the Nebula platform itself.
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There’s definitely gaming content on there, but what I’ve seen has been of the long-form analysis type.
The only way to pay for subscription is with a credit card, no thank you, my culture mostly doesn’t use those and I don’t have or want one.
I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF
First I’m hearing but that doesn’t surprise me; it’s probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don’t do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-backed businesses).
They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven’t done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn’t solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.
Maybe people could read more?
Nobody needs this endless “content” slop.
For real people need to get a grip if they can’t survive without it. They’re addicted.
totally agree with reading more. text is easy to consume, easy to store, (somewhat) easy to verify (if sources are provided), and it keeps (if using dead trees for storage). ever since the pandemic i started reading more and must say i really like it
Hell yeah. Let’s hear it for the readers. Let’s hear it for footnotes. Let’s hear it for references. Let’s hear it for bibliographies. Let’s hear it for the more in depth ideas that can be explored via text than video or audio.
What do you think keeps something deep being in the form of audio? I get that videos aren’t great for research but audio can just be written word spoken so that people that can’t read or don’t enjoy reading can experience it. I read more than pretty much anyone that I know in my age range and I don’t see myself as superior because of it and doing some comes across as frankly pomous and self important.
Some content lends itself well to written format. Lots of content does not.
absolutely agree. i just wanted to point out that not everything has to be a video
Hell yeah I love audiobooks /s
Horse shit.
Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn’t all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it’s easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.
Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don’t like that format?
Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don’t pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.
Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.
It’s actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what’s cheap than what is actually useful.
Don’t be disingenuous.
Yeah, that’s some projection. You weren’t being disingenuous to pretend that videos are more helpful to the blind than braille? Get a grip.
We’re talking about a company that is happily trampling over the rights of individuals right now, you don’t think the disabled won’t be next on their chopping block?
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Hmm yes I’ll just read about how cool two bullets hitting each other in slowmotion looks. Much better experience than watching it /s
Go outside.
It’s not an easy answer, but the best way I’ve found so far is to use GrayJay.
If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.
Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.
Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.
Yeah rumble is made by and for Nazis.
And Kick is a cesspool gambling-friendly “free speech” Twitch alternative.
Catalog of what?
Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.
Store on a hard drive instead.
They are all stored on local hdds, in fact I have two copies locally. I said it’s my cloud storage, my backup off site.
Sounds like you don’t need cloud storage then.
Except I do, because I don’t have off site storage. 3-2-1 my friend. If my house burnt down, without the cloud storage I’d lose everything. Separate local copies is good for defending against disk failure.
If your data isn’t worth a few bucks to secure maybe it isn’t worth the redundancies in the first place. Keep making excuses and hope they keep allowing you to access your data “for free” or at all.
If it’s free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.
I have many hard drives, and none of the videos are monetized or even publically listed. As I said, it’s my cloud storage, my offsite backup.
And I’m saying you’re not paying for it, and that’s the problem. Everyone got way too comfortable with getting “free” shit from corporations that would trample our rights the second it became convenient for them.
If I’m using YT as cloud backup storage for hundreds of hours of video that is unlisted, unmonetized, how am I helping them trample rights?
Their ability to trample rights because of how much profit they make from horrible content is directly related to their ability to give you that space for free. “I’m not directly contributing” is a real weak excuse to keep using it, in my personal opinion.
Just here to say it’s fucking WILD that you’re being downvoted
None. YouTube included.
I mean, I do use YT as cloud storage for free. And before you say the “nothing is free line,” note my other replies.
Nope. The admin of sh.itjust.works lets you use their storage for free. Google does not.
There are things that are free, Youtube is not one of them.
Okay, as I said in my other replies, the videos are unlisted, not monetized, and I don’t pay for it. What is not free about that?
Is money is the only thing about yourself that you ascribe value to?
That’s not an answer to my question. What value are they getting from me?
Do you really not know how Google’s business model works, or are you playing dumb?
Why can you not give me a straight answer?
Because, frankly, I don’t think you’re being honest.
I’ll say this.
When I weigh the choice of handing over my personal videos to a company that is explicitly and actively going to use them to:
Or
Putting a NAS at a friends house, or paying a couple bucks a month for some block storage.
I end up preferring the second set of options. It’s fine if you don’t, but don’t pretend you have no idea that your personal videos and information are valuable to Google.
Thank you for engaging the question more seriously but I still don’t care for you tone to me. Good day.
That’s nice. Just exposing your dishonesty. Move along.
We really should be working together to upload content from youtube to peertube instances.
Don’t ask for permission. Just do it. Civilly disobey.
And who is going to pay for the bandwidth and storage space on those peertube instances?
I mean, I too want to get away from YouTube, but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.
The people who set up the instances usually also are responsible for paying to keep them active.
I mean, they’re already there. Have you tried using Peertube?
They are already there, and someone is paying for the storage and bandwidth for what’s already there. Asking for random people to start pulling videos from YouTube and uploading them to someone else’s server is going to very quickly make that server go away.
And yes, I have tried Peertube. My experience is when I click a Peertube link from Lemmy, 9/10 it is a dead link.
Gonna have to ignore you, bud.
Arguing with incompetent people such as yourself is a waste of effort.
Goodbye.
Haha, so many butthurt self-righteous people in this thread.
Why are you so toxic? I thought Lemmy was supposed to foster better discussions than Reddit but here you are name-calling and talking down to people.
Please consider treating people better in the future
Newest version of lemmy fixed this quite well. Take a look: lemmy.world/post/27751672
Old lemmy broke a lot of activityhub stuff unfortunately.
Yeah and it turns out that this isn’t working well. github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/5783 Video is an unsolved problem, it’s great people are working on it but we aren’t there yet. PeerTube is not a viable YouTube alternative.
That’s just the nature of the internet.
I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to block you now.
I’ve seen too much incompetence on your part, and I need to stop validating it with responses.
Goodbye.
Wtf
They probably thought you were me, I got blocked above for making a similar point that you’d also made (although I think you did a better job of making the point).
Apparently pointing out that Peertube still has quite a way to go to meet YouTube’s feature set just shows incompetence.
Edit: I actually checked out their profile and we are lucky to have been blocked by them. Everything they post is either pompous, argumentative, dismissive, or some combination.
I dont think its ok to just rip peoples content without their permission.
That’s fine.
Nobody is forcing you to do it.
Riots don’t work unless you smash some windows
Smashing your local mom-and-pop shop will surely show big businesses that you’re serious /s
not just stop, rip every half decent video from there and save it somewhere else. Losing everything in youtube is library of alexandria level loss.
Do it fast, they’re trying to kill yt-dlp with DRM.
If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn’t replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.
The usual household has nowhere near the upload capacity to meaningfully stream videos.
“As many people as possible” not the usual household.
Even most people hosting at home, which is already an incredibly small bubble, have only the default upload of something like 40Mbit which is more than plenty for internet usage and thus the only thing most providers supply, since people favour download speeds. You usually have to specifically order increased uploads speed, which not enough people do to build something that could serve as an alternative to youtube
Idk what to tell you man, I was just saying it would be cool if more people made a personal Peertube. Didn’t say everyone and their mother needed to make one, just that it would be nice if as many people as possible could make one. Again, I get that it can be hard, or not possible for most people, but if more people could make one, and made one, that would be cool.
And I agree wholeheartedly. I’m just saying, that the idea of replacing YouTube with something federated fails due to lack of upload speeds, as cool as it would be. Still, having it even just as a small scale alternative would be cool
Yep that would be nice! Yunohost can make it pretty easy to install for those of us who self host. Plus this is the fediverse. Totally agree!
Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.
Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.
Thanks. I can def do that on my phone. Don’t know much about how to do it on Apple TVs or Rokus but I very seldom use them for YouTube anymore anyway.
Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.
Definitely stop
No, I won’t.
What international alternatives exist for YouTube? And I understand RedNote as an alternative for TikTok, but YouTube fills a little bit of a different niche.
The closest, at least outside of China, would be Dailymotion.
Allas, if you want to stay away from YouTube, you'll also want to stay away from Dailymotion. This platform is owned by Vincent Bolloré who is also the owner of the "Groupe Canal" (which includes "CNews", the french equivalent to Fox News) and a number of different far-right media. Moving to Dailymotion is not exacly what I would call a smart one.
feel like thats specific to pirated media. i remember i watch pirated shows on there all the time.
No one wants to talk about PeerTube?
/c/peertube@lemmy.world
There’s a couple Lemmy communies out there where we showcase different channels.
lemmy.world/c/peertube
Check out top for a decent selection. It’s a somewhat new community but we are growing fast. It’s federated and has some hidden gems from people. Has a very early YouTube feel.
Because the user experience is horrible for non-creators.
User experience can be improved pretty easily.
The important parts are already there.
Easier said than done. Reason after all these years it still hasn’t been addressed.
I really don’t think it is.
As an engineer with almost 2 decades of experience (including streaming sites)… It is.
Well, we’d have to be more specific about what parts of the “user experience” we’re talking about here in order to make that assessment.
I’m mostly talking about discoverability, the default algorithms, the lack of federation, and a way to actually filter content by language.
True.
Peertube has been hamstrung by a very poorly-made design decision early on.
It’s my understanding that peertube copies all of the content from hosts it federates with. That’s a huge waste of storage and the main reason why most peertube instances hardly federate with anything.
Instead, peertube developers should implement the option for servers to duplicate data, or simply load the data through a link to a server that hosts it.
It’s still young and they’ve done a pretty good job with everything except this fundamental flaw. Hopefully if enough people hear about this idea and promote it, we can see it implemented and then Peertube can really take off.
That’s optional. You have to opt in to mirror a server.
I don’t think that’s true.
It’s my understanding that by federating, you are duplicating the data from the servers you federate with on your own.
The server itself has the option to turn that off or on. And most dont turn that on. Its off by default.
Source: I host a peertube instance.
Does this mean users won’t be able to see videos hosted on other platforms from your instance?
Thats a good question.
Users are still able to see their videos, it just does not create a local copy unless you enable that on your server. Its just a pass-though.
EX:
You can see that more clearly here:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/17feb9b7-e2ea-45a8-89f9-ed7879cc71fa.png">
And here is my subscriptions (looks and functions identical to Youtubes subscriptions):
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ac64d756-d3b7-4df6-8cb5-f916f6414bfb.png">
But the videos are on their respective servers.
Federation still occurs (and admins can be very specific if they want): <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/819d6e93-585b-4c97-ac32-77a733593ed5.png">
Hope that makes sense!
You might want to look more into how peertube works then.
I don't think it's possible for PeerTube to scale to a size where it would be capable of competing with Youtube.
PeerTube is just software. It’s a decentralized network. It doesn’t have to scale to that size. You can have a million servers handling the storage and streaming in a more efficient method and democratize the bandwidth.
Who's paying to run a million servers?
Same people that pay for lemmy. Us.
It doesn’t take much to host peertube TBH. And with each peertube instance, the videos get easier to host. It scales very well with the current iteration of software.
The two biggest issues are actually not software related:
Im pretty happy with what it does NOW. I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube. I like my friends and family (and sometimes us weirdos) looking at my videos. And I like the slow trickle of people hosting their videos on say makertube, peertube.wtf, and other such platforms. They seem like really fun individuals and im having a blast.
I disagree, the biggest issues are related to discoverability, and most certainly software-related.
Not necessarily. They only need to agree to allow an instance to mirror their content, and possibly one day contribute something to it in the event that it becomes popular enough. For now, consent is really all that’s required. The only revenue they’re missing out on is AdSense.
Patreon is one of many different ways to generate revenue. Most popular Youtubers are diversifying in various ways. The most effective of which is creating their own products and using their channels to promote them. Affiliate links/codes is another way smaller creators can diversify.
As always, with freedom comes abuse. Youtube has a lot of regulations that can be cumbersome but also can protect creators and users.
Hosts and users who want their stuff available to their audience without YouTube’s bullshit.
Wrong.
Peertube is the obvious candidate, but I’m not sold on the content.
I use nebula.tv, many of the creators I like are there too. You pay somerhing, but their business model is not too bad imho.
Floatplane is somewhat similar, but LMG is involved, which I don’t love.
What’s wrong with LMG?
Linus media group
They can not keep themselves out of drama for more than 6 months at a time. The whole situation with M left a bad taste in my mouth even though they were found legally clean. All of the other dramas that have occurred that might not be such a big deal on their own, but when they are all coming from one company it starts to paint a picture.
There really isn’t one. That’s why they feel that they can do whatever they feel like. They have no real competition for the type of service they offer.
As reported from a substack writer… 🤮
Substack platforms and monetizes Nazis.
Mind providing a bit more context to this so I can look it up ? I’ll boycott substick if need be.
platformer.news/leaving-substack-platformer-year-… This looks to be straight from the person that BroBot9000 was referring to. Interesting read.
I found some older news articles, but nothing more recent for an update.
nbcnews.com/…/pressure-builds-newsletter-company-…
techcrunch.com/…/substack-nazi-content-policies-c…
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/…/676156/
theracket.news/…/substacks-nazi-problem-isnt-goin…
This one’s more recent. As of six months ago, still a problem.
Thanks both. I’ve seen enough. Beyond problematic on substicks part.
Oh sorry, didn’t know about that
So, sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?
Because a lot of the time, it’s weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.
The dude has been in the driver’s seat for pretty much every major deterioration of Google/alphabet for years.
He donated a million to Trump’s “inauguration” and sat in the VIP section, he was already a CEO that sucks.
Been on that list since he became a CEO
Don’t forget current Youtube CEO Neal Mohan and former Youtube CEO Susan Wojcicki!
Damn we were eating good with Susan, comparitivly speaking anyway.
Isn’t that simply called CEO list?
True, true
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hard to remember name (for americans, europeans, or at least me) i assume compare that to “Spez” which is very, very easy to remember and plaster around as the one evil to blame for a systems behavior
Prabhakar Raghavanalso also deserves a dishonorable mention.
Good.
Let people say what they want and you can ignore them if you don’t like what’s being said.
BASED
I recommend you take strides to learn how propaganda works, most specifically the purpose of shifting opinion (i.e. the Overton Window): “I’m just asking questions” and “I’ll let anyone speak” are two of the most effective methods of propaganda. It does not need to be intentional on the part of the interviewer.
Your problem is that you want to censor ideas you don’t like.
You want to control what other people think by dictating what they get to see and what they’re allowed to share with others.
You are going to grasp at whatever straw you can to get rid of people saying things you don’t like.
This is a natural result of media controlled by corporate interests. It’s also a misunderstanding of “free speech” – even when you are free to say what you will, it does not mean you are free from the consequences of that speech.
Again, I suggest looking into how propaganda works. Letting everyone speak about anything (without vetting of topic, qualifications, or direction) has consequences. We are seeing those consequences now and will continue to see more as the propaganda machine runs wild on the back of “let everyone speak”.
Your view of this is overly simplistic and I am, in the most polite way, attempting to direct you to self improvement. It is a common issue at the moment across all discourse – probably vestigial of the information sharing capabilities now available.
I tried giving you an opportunity, but I’m going to block you now.
You people will just respond incessantly until you get what you want, so I’m going to let you have the last word.
Goodbye.
I really don’t even know what this means.
I wish the best for you.
Ironic
Companies censor ideas all the time. McDonald’s employees don’t tell their customers how ugly they are… it’s against company policy. Youtube is a company that can implement whatever company policies they like and if you don’t like it you can go somewhere else.
no, when you obviously spouting misinformation its within peoples rights not to give you time of thier day. and thats why you would be banned in reddit surely as here eventually for the right reasons.
Yeah. You want to misconstrue it as “misinformation” so that you’re automatically correct with no discussion involved and you can censor anyone who disagrees with you.
I’m going to ignore you now.
Showing how truly performative their big “ally” push was during the pandemic. All their BLM and diversity support was just as performative. Big corporations are just sycophantic monsters riding trends. Avoid them where possible.
Fuck rainbow capitalism
I’m more concerned about “anti-rainbow” capitalism. Like what’s happening right now where instead of being performatively progressive they become performatively reactionary. (Well, I suppose that’s just reactionary.)
Basically what I mean is I want rainbow capitalism to exist, but in a very specific way: I want rainbow capitalism to be the bare minimum a company has to implement if they want to exist. I want the social circumstances to force them to at least pretend to be on the right side of history.
Honestly, the real problem in rainbow capitalism is the capitalism part.
The point is, is that it doesn’t matter. Companies are not true allies, they just do whatever earn them the most money and PR
If it means to become literal Nazis, then they become literal Nazis. And sell the supplies to the gas chambers
For sure. It was more of a “yes, and” than disagreement. Profit is such a vile incentive, literally why we can’t have nice things.
Reposting my comment another post relating to this situation
I mean this is just them making official how they’ve been acting for 2 years minimum, as much as google and youtube want to act progressive and inclusive, people still get demonetized for talking about lgbtq or women’s issues, unless they are harassing them, in which case the video will stay up no matter how many of youtube’s rules it breaks. For example, trans NB game critic Stephanie Sterling had multiple harassment videos against them (they listed pronouns as they/them last I checked, please correct if changed) that are still up right now, several years after upload, despite those videos exclusively attacking them for being trans/non-binary, which breaks youtube’s TOS
Companies are not your friend.
Months ago I reported a Nazi. Like a real Nazi. With a hitler pfp. And they didn’t ban him. This is the channel of the Nazi: youtube.com/channel/UCZijsnbYQawRHi-Z3DwEcTA
Wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’ve had this exact thing happen to me several times. Sometimes they’ve even had slurs in their profile image or banner too.
Just don’t make a video criticizing the nazi using snippets of the nazi’s videos, because that’s when you risk getting taken down for hate speech.
Smaller channels have this happen to them on a regular basis when they criticize bigger channels like, say, Matt Walsh. In that case, it’s because YT likes the bigger channel better for giving more ad revenue, but they still know that it’s hate speech so they apply their own rule selectively… on people criticizing the hate speech. They only ban chuds after they become irrelevant, and that’s only to save face — for example, when they banned Stefan Molyneux he was hardly popular anymore, so there was no financial loss in banning him, and they could score brownie points about how progressive they are.
There is one thing that is vital that is missing from peertube. Effective monetization.
By watching on peertube I am a drain on resources. A net negative. I’d happily pay to offset those costs and more, but I want it to be shared amongst multiple creators and hosters.
I don’t want to just support one, I want to support most of the network for the hosting and bandwidth, and a certain amount divided amongst the creators I watch.
If PeerTube introduces some sort of payment / monetization solution, it might get more creators as well. Without it I can’t see it growing fast enough to compete with YouTube in the near future.
Well… Sooner or later the costs of Full HD compressed video will be negligible for hosting and bandwidth, so that might be when YouTube gets a real challenge. So I guess we’ll see
I remember the pre-Youtube internet where we created content because it was fun or educational, not because we needed money for the task of doing so.
Paying for server costs and maintaining them, sure. MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators. The rest of the people on the site, they just make good content for the sake of making good content, not because they feel the need to be paid for their time doing it.
God I miss the pre-Youtube era. “Content creators” looking for a payday via advertising are a fucking cancer.
I subscribe to a lot of full time “content creators” that are ad supported and supported via donations.
I curate my feed meticulously to avoid slop, and I get a lot of value, learning and entertainment from those I follow.
I believe they deserve to be paid for the tremendous amount of work they put in.
Some sort of ability to generate a livable wage from creating high quality content seems reasonable, no?
You can pay them. They can choose to require it. Nobody needs to pay a fucking gestapo in between
I mean, sure but we are past that. No large YouTuber will give up getting paid, and go to a system with a much smaller user base so even stuff like affiliate links and sponsorships are worth less. Basically double lose money just to join peertube. Especially since most large YouTubers have a team of people who they pay, so they cannot afford for their employees sake to take such a large loss just to support peertube.
More likely this leads to Vimeo, or like twitch TikTok or something else being able to support a normal video platform than it leads to people using peertube.
I will never understand people who identify as leftist that refuse to understand that under our current economic model people require money to survive and if they do not get money for doing their creative work they might not be able to continue making that work.
It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete. There is a reason that the quality of content available on youtube has gone up massively. Say what you want about the writing but there is no way that something like helluva boss could ever have been made entirely online before youtube.
Yes, it is, if your desire to get paid causes you to remain on corporate-controlled social media, to the detriment of society.
Not to mention, plenty of people can and do put hundreds of hours of work into projects that they don’t ask for payment for.
“Content creators” who get paid through advertisements are class traitors whose interests are aligned with the capitalist class. They will fuck over society to make a buck for themselves.
Do you think the same thing about people who work for basically any company? Because they are way more directly responsible for the actions of their corporation than the average person that makes 50k a year between AdSense and sponsors.
No, my point specifically relates to creative work. You said in your comment:
This is false, basically. They can do other types of work. Creative work can be done without making money for it. Plenty of people have a day job and make creative work in their free time. The same option is not available for most other types of work, such as government, doctors, lawyers, etc. If you try to do these types of jobs outside of the framework of a regulated business, you’ll get the book thrown at you.
The issue I’m getting at isn’t “are you responsible for the actions you take to make a living”. Rather, I’m getting at the issue of “does creative work require becoming an employee of a capitalist company, thereby siding with its shareholders in having a vested interest in increasing that company’s profits regardless of the societal damage caused?”
The answer to that question is a resounding “no”. Creatives need to grow a spine and get a day job.
Why specifically creatives? There are so many other professions that are more important to someones everyday life and no one seems to hold the same vitriol at them valuing their time that people do for creatives. I don’t see people suggesting that nurses get a day job and do nursing on the side.
It has to do with the societal consequences of how them “valuing their time” impacts people. Nurses refusing to do volunteer nursing has little impact on the overall system of access to healthcare.
Healthcare is heavily regulated through legislation, and is going to be free or paid or corporate or not corporate largely as a result of the legislation. Nurses can’t just do what they want. People who are concerned about the state of healthcare should therefore change things by targeting legislation, not by targeting nurses.
Creative work is not like this. Creatives refusing to do do volunteer creative work means that either they will charge for their work, which creates a barrier to access, or they will use (and push others to use) platforms like YouTube and TokTok that make money from ad data.
The former choice results in class differences in access to art, and the latter choice results in everyone using platforms that have proven themselves to be hostile to minoritized groups and progressive causes. These outcomes aren’t legislated – they are the result of creatives choosing to “value their time”.
In otherwords, creatives choosing to “value their time” means that they will happily enforce class-based restrictions in access to art, and will happily support conservative corporations and surveillance capitalism.
And I practice what I preach, too. I have spent thousands of hours developing free software and making free educational materials for people, donating my labour to support progressive causes and supporting others who do the same. Creatives who insist on charging for their work are a ball and chain on the movements I support. They are leeches and class traitors.
Creatives should value other people. Fuck their time.
“you’re not a leftist unless you have daddies money to support you wasting 100 hours on a 20m video.” Certainly is… a take. But anyways, I’m not even talking about being leftist or not or whatever. I just mean, people. Period. It’s not selfish to want to get paid for making something. People need money to live.
Are there content creators who fucking suck? Yes. But there’s also ones that don’t. They’re allowed to make money.
I didn’t say that, though. Clearly it’s not worth engaging with you.
It’s because some people don’t actually support workers, especially creative workers, regardless or their political identity.
MetaFilter has at multiple points been on the verge of shutting down, no? IIRC, you pay $5 for an account.
People expect to pay a carpenter or a plumber for their services, why shouldn’t entertainers and content creators be allowed to get paid for their work?
Nebula
A real alternative to YouTube would be so good right now.
Nebula
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I mean something free
What was YouTube before Google bought it? Can it be remade again, or have all servers been captured?
This was bound to happen after the election results just a matter of time. Also, hate speech related content possibly gets a lot of clicks. So capitalism benefits. Next is, possibly but hopefully not, Bluesky’s official server.
I dont see Bluesky going down the enshittification path thát fast
Hopefully. If Youtube did it, who’s to say now that Bluesky may or may not jump ship? It’s an industry. However, i’m mainly pointing at the main server, other servers on Bluesky might not jump ship so fast, or not at all (ideally).
I dont trust anything that isn’t fully decentralized. Bluesky is very weird in that regard, its partially centralised. I guess it’s better than Twitter (but that is setting the bar very low). I still refrain from using it too often.
It will almost certainly have ads in the future and will inevitably go down the path of reddit, twitter and Facebook so I prefer to use something that is completely out of reach of the CEO if something goes to shit.
We need sites that are decentralized and make clear where their funding comes from. In the end, users need to be prepared to fund the services they use to keep them honest. This is especially true of video which is very expensive to host.
“Don’t Be Evil”
(I know this hasn’t been the Google motto in years – when it stopped was one of the biggest corporate red flags)
Google now reserves the right to “be evil”.
It’s right there in the TOS! /s
If they were really serious about not being evil, they would’ve formed as a public benefit corporation (which they did not).
Yes. Avenues exist. But money is corrupting.
„Be evil, break people“ is the current motto of silicon valley.
That is why centralized platforms, especially powerful ones, are sitting ducks waiting to become even more corrupt. Why more people are not leaving centralized services is a crime against humanity as it is clear that supporting theme means society suffers.
The ‘not leaving centralized services’ thing isn’t really helped when there’s basically no other viable alternatives, like is the case with YT. PeerTube exists, sure, but it’s a content desert, sadly.
Now, if PeerTube had more content to choose from…
Really though, Reddit, Meta, Twitter, and Discord all have viable decentralized alternatives in the form of Lemmy, Pixelfed, Mastodon (Mastodon serving as an alternative for both Facebook and Twitter), and Matrix respectively, why can’t PeerTube serve as a truly viable decentralized alternative for YT?
Even Linux is in its glow-up arc as a viable Windows alternative lately ffs, and I’m glad to have been on that bandwagon for years before that platform started gaining mainstream attention.
The big problem with PeerTube(PT) is that there is no advertising. As it stands now people are burning money in order to run a PT instance and YouTube(YT) was not at all profitable for many years so it is unlikely that PT ever will be unless people start being willing to pay for people to upload their content to PT. There are ways that you could make PT profitable but it would end up making it into something more similar to Patreon or Nebula.
It’s harder than that IMO. There are plenty alternatives to many bad things but people just don’t care. Just like Linux, for the average person that’s got enough shit to deal with, they don’t wanna add what they perceive like a difficulty and remove comfort by having to start from scratch with less options. Also, being cut from the mainstream trends, and the general social thing.
Not speaking for me as I’ve been mostly degoogling and demicrosofting, even tho I still partly feeling like that for YouTube that’s been a very valuable part of my life (yes. I do read and go outside. But please stop suggesting that to people in such threads, that’s missing the point), and that I couldn’t let go off yet. Alternatives rn are either totally devoid of content (at least, the one I like), or paid (didn’t gave a shot to Nebula, I’ll browse it and see, but it might be hard to beat both my favorite creators I spent years curating, and the fact that you can find anything on any obscure thing)
Yeah there are a lot of factors at play. I have YT premium because my parents still pay for a family plan even though I am out of the house so I don’t think I’ll be getting off YT for a while at least.
Nebula also doesn’t have a comment section which is invaluable when someone makes a mistake or you disagree with someone on a point.
Yeesh. A paid service and they don’t even have a comment section (plus there doesn’t seem to be a lot of videos on a few subjects I like)? Don’t wanna be a crybaby but they’re really making things harder.
It’s frightening. Why do people not make an effort to leave Reddit?
How can the same people run a dictatorship of the proletariat? Even democracy, I don’t see how society as a whole can avoid being manipulated.
And people judged me for watching YouTube with uBlock Origin, or via NewPipe for eons.
Look who’s laughing now.
Those aren’t opinions I would care about in the first place. Somebody thinks you should be watching ads? WTF?
but google’s profits!!!
Please think about billionaires!
LTT is very sure that following the FBIs recommendation for always using an adblocker is piracy for one example.
There’s some justification for this idea since the people who buy the products advertised by ads are the source of the money that goes to the producers of the videos.
But that’s not happening
Good lord, the amount of idiots that white knighted me for using uBlock.
“WOULD U WORK FOR FREEEEE???”
Like fuck off no I wouldn’t. I also dont buy up every other company I see, turn it to shit and then try to force a political agenda through it, and guess who IS doing that using billions of dollars? Yep, Google.
Won’t someone think of the shareholders?
/s
youtube is too infested with ads, to make me disable ublock origin for my favorite channels. in anycase most of the channels become greedy pos overtime anyways. outside of pet one/animals/stem ones, ones that are just gossip or reaction or like mr beasts videos are no good.
YouTube on mobile is intolerable these days. NewPipe is the way for Android, though Google is in a constant battle to disable it.
When an influential group of powerful people make hate speech a part of their standard rhetoric, is EXACTLY when you MUST block it on your platform, not a signal that it’s time to start letting it slide, you fucking pricks.
Pichai kissed the ring. He’s colluding with the person who tried to overturn the elections and install himself as a ruler.
All of the billionaires that were at the inauguration are in the same boat. I’m at a point where I believe the crimes of any of them should be tried and convicted with the punishments being doled out collectively to all colluders, but that’s me.
I’d be going for the death penalty from the prosecution side, since it seems like that is what we do now to people who cause one or more people to die, no matter how unethical the victim(s) were.
I wonder if Tim Cook is there too. It would make sense for him and Apple to resist this at least somehow but…
Tim Cook is just as fucking evil as the rest of them.
Google should get destroyed
Don’tbe evilI hated Google far before it was cool. I would feel vindicated if it weren’t so damn overdue. They don’t even contribute meaningfully to society. And I mean that about EVERYTHING
Gmail is lame, their search engine sucks, chrome wastes resources, their ads platform ruined the internet, Golang fundamentally sucks, the emulation layer of android is so fucking wasteful, Material Design ruined digital creativity, etc.
It’s okay. I gotcha so you don’t got to ssy it
Spicehoarder told y’all so!
I need someone like you around.
Google search feels like it has stopped being the magic it was. Now whenever I search for something I might not find it underneath all the stuff on sale. For the first time in I don’t know how many years I’ve been finding myself using something else like Duck Duck Go.
The AI nonsense, the flawed ranking and the pages of sponsored links. Honestly, Google is just straight up useless.
I used to use Google shopping to find certain items and compare websites. Now the entire left side that used to be a filter list is replaced. When you click a “filter” option it just adds text to the search bar. Then it will include an essay about why these are your options for something and recommend top brands, but then just list everything.
Consider the decentralized family of trom.tf apps, such as search.trom.tf as a replacement (that’s the only one I use of their stuff so far… but may poke around more later).
What a treasure trove. I love lemmy
Ironically… I myself found this through Reddit, no joke! But yeah, I hope to sway more people here.
Yep, that’s intentional. They stopped prioritizing user experience and started prioritizing ad revenue instead a while ago
You think chrome is bad? You should try the GCP console, 2 tabs were using 15GB RAM.
Ads were the bane of the internet FAR before Google even fucking existed. lol
and yet somehow google made it worse. Not only are there more ads than ever before, but now it’s also a panopticon.
What’s wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well
And here’s a related blog post: https://valuedrivenit.blogspot.com/2015/12/to-go-language-is-mess.html?m=1
It’s a very opinionated language in the worst way possible.
They don’t want proof that what’s going to be happening soon, was ever mortally objectionable.
On the one hand, less censorship, on the other, something a lot worse.
Why even bother with a hate speech policy? Oh, right, money.
strange, they have allowed it ont he channel for quite a while, alot of the videos were mostly directed at transpeople in the form of anti-woke videos. like that channel where it had 20 magats arguing vs 1 “liberal”.
right wing drives viewers to grifters, and those have ads which benefits youtube.
Also right wingers are dumb as hell and don’t use adblock.
Everyone should check out PeerTube sometime, the UX has improved a lot and there’s a decent amount of content too. I recommend installing the PeerTube Companion app. It shows a popup on YouTube if you’ve clicked on a video that is also available on PeerTube.
thanks
what’s the best queer friendly instance? :^
I don’t know, but here’s a list of instances joinpeertube.org/instances
How is discoverability in PeerTube? That was the sticking point for me with PeerTube as with Mastodon last time I looked. It was not easy to discover what’s out there.
Still not that great, I rely on the companion to redirect me to channels through YouTube.
Yeah best we have right now is subscribing to the lemmy/piefed communities like /c/peertube and seeing what you like. For better or for worse, there is no algorithm. Moreso in peertube than others.
Yeah this is the kicker for me and for most others. It won’t ever replace youtube until it can implement similar discoverability features and improve the onboarding process. Youtube is run by the shitlords, yes, but it’s also a service that has no equal, literally has no peers. Until it does, it will remain uncontested and they’ll be able to get away with whatever policy changes please them (and their dictator-in-chief. And their shareholders)
Nebula.tv
and
Means.tv
both offer more curated platforms that arent owned and operated by the broligarchy
I realize Peertube is free and Floss but it’s esoteric and lacking buy in; like a great open source console with no games. (Whats more if you dont use a VPN it can be used to track your view history, iirc)
I’m broke af but planning on getting subscriptions to both asap; real shit bc if the monetization model is “free” (ads) then you the viewer are the product, units for their ecomomy.
and they’ll canibalize you when their done with queer people, brown people and other marginalized folks like me.
🤬
youtube has enshittified for a while, they went downhill as soon as they announced that they no longer backed election denial reports. then all the right wing, anti-woke videos started popping up all over the place, plus the one that try to seem like its both sides videos too.
allowing people like beast, and others to dominate the front, was asking for trouble.
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I’m not in favor of YouTube, but what exactly missing here?
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It used to say gender expression and identity. If it doesn’t, that’s a deliberate decision that could cause enforcement calls like ‘well that’s not your REAL gender so this isn’t harassment’.
I mean… It’s already over-specified compared to others: “sex, gender or sexual orientation”. It’d be equally right to criticize religion for why don’t they write “belief, spiritualism, religion”, and to include identity, and expression.
They should just write “sex stuff”, and everyone is happy.
While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention ‘sex, gender, or sexual orientation’, which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.
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You still think things are run by reasonable people?!
No, but I think most of the people on Lemmy should know better than that.
Looks at Hexbear, .ml, and to some extent Blahaj
Oh, who am I kidding.
Yeah its quite echo chambery here
“Gender” means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn’t protect trans people, for example. We don’t know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don’t consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with “gender identity and expression”.
This is not a legal contract, it’s a general guideline for users about what is or isn’t acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn’t matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.
What matters is how this affects enforcement.
It doesn’t. It’s not like this page gets used internally. They have their own internal guidelines for that.
Man this whole anticipatory compliance with the fascist regime shit is fucking awful
Welcome to how the world has always worked and always will. There’s gin to help wash the black pill down.
It’s like Roko’s Basilisk playing out in real time, except instead of building a malignant computer out of fear it’s accelerating a fascist takeover.
It’s time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi
Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No really, this is a phenomenon that’s known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn’t played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard “made them nostalgic” and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn’t have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.
And there are far, FAR more people like this than there are people with steadfast principles and discipline to stick to them. The depressing majority of people are not really thinking, they’re just going with the flow, agreeing with popular sentiment when it’s convenient, doing whatever they want when nobody is looking because capitalism has bled our axioms out.
If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, actually talking to people in our communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)
edit: I firmly stand by my claim that you can change the world a lot better by being a good, active, social person who organizes your community. If we all kinda, embraced this as a passion and cared about people who aren’t in our discord servers, we wouldn’t need to try to boycott companies who won’t give two shits about you giving them more press.
No they aren’t? People just haven’t actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of “ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you”.
Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla’s stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).
This isn’t to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn’t better spent elsewhere, but don’t dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.
Strikes do a lot more damage to companies. I think a lot of people mix the two ideas up.
The last most successful boycotts were mostly ones you never heard of, and at least one you rather not hear of. We managed to get tuna companies to pretend to harm fewer dolphins in 1988. Before that is was things like the 1965 Delano Grape Strike and the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott. The most recent boycott that actually got a company to change its marketing and outreach was the Bud Lite/Dylan Mulvaney boycott by the anti-trans right.
If you think you can get enough people as worked up about an issue as the chuds were about a single commercial featuring someone they were scared of, then by all means let’s fire up all the engines and get boycotting. Otherwise, I would encourage people who work at these tech companies to start talking about unions and making change from the inside. But none of that does as much damage to a company as getting politicians installed who are already taking bribes from other companies. Yes this is a dark perspective, you’re welcome to disagree but in my nearly five decades on Earth this is just what I’ve seen over and over.
I don’t want to take away from the general thrust of your point, I just don’t think we have actually seen boycotts that people were actually fired up en masse to enforce.
I think up until right this very moment the general center of mass of society has been largely ok with most of what capitalism is, I think that is going to continue to drastically change, and we will see a lot more wildcat boycotts of companies that significantly hurt them.
That being said I agree that overly focusing on that as a strategy isn’t necessarily wise, but boycotts are definitely a weapon that can absolutely blow up the bridges of corporate 'Murica.
No, this boycott at least isn’t “working” to any serious degree. And teslas stock is negligibley effected by any the protest. It can all be so subjective, though, anyway.
Lol, no, i looked it up, this is not a “VERY” successful boycott. Not in the least.
Yeah, the Tesla boycott totally didn’t work…
You’re right. They didn’t.
The delulu is strong with this one.
Boycotts are not enough, but in combination with girlcotts they are very efficient.
I’ll see myself out.
They say when a boycott meets a girlcott, a baby cot is born…
Best reply I got here tbh.
It’s almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.
It’s too hard to change anything, but only if it’s progressive policies. Fascist policies can be implemented immediately.
It’s too hard to change anything if one believes in laws, rules and the general idea of a fair justice. They don’t have this limitation.
Well. Being a bigoted asshole is easy.
Actually being inclusive and nice to people takes effort.
This is what’s fucking shitty about this
Every company and every politician and every person who bends over so willingly IS THE PROBLEM
It’s like they announce their regime and these idiots roll out the red carpets immediately ready be the first company to suck the government off
If they all stood their ground, it would buy more time
It’s almost like their support for these issues was never genuine to begin with.
Was yours? Commenting online isn’t exactly fighting the good fight. Did you do anything to help shore up and defend anything.
These companies face legal action from the government that was elected. A government elected who won power by spreading their shitty ideology everywhere.
I’m not talking about personal actions. I personally believe in equality and I wish I could do more about that even if there are all sorts of personal reasons that’s difficult for me.
Corporations don’t believe anything. They’re just profit optimizing machines. They were doing rainbow capitalism when they thought it would be more profitable and now that they think the opposite is more profitable, they’ll do that. It’s as simple as that and hoping corporations would be allies in a fight for equality was always based on a misunderstanding about power.
It’s not like corporations don’t have power that can resist government action. Look at how effectively they’ve evaded taxes and regulations. The big international ones can threaten to take their ball and leave if they don’t like a country’s policies. And that’s when they don’t just bribe politicians to change them.
The workers at those companies are people though. Labor organizing was always going to be necessary to build up power for change. Not saying it’s easy and I can’t fault someone for worrying about losing their job, but if resistance was going to happen anywhere that’s where it would be. Not in boardrooms or alone in a booth.
But there’s the difference. It’s one thing to have convictions but not the means or courage to act on them. It’s another thing to have power, but lack convictions beyond whatever is currently convenient. The former could overcome those obstacles given the right circumstances. The latter never will.
Gosh, Melvin, what a hero you are.
You too
Fuckin’ Melvin
MELVIN USED MORAL SUPERIORITY
BUT IT FAILED
IT HURT ITSELF IN ITS CONFUSION
What are you doing? Why are you swinging on someone clearly with you?
Read your comment back to yourself.
And did I do anything
Commenting online is fighting the good fight. Online sentiment is shifted by commenting online and online sentiment plays a huge role in influencing the acceptable opinions.
Exactly. :-/
They didn’t capitulate. They never fought. They just did what was the best shot at earning money and gaining ground at the time.
Don’t ever expect moral based behavior in capitalism or geopolitics.
They didn’t capitulate. They were mostly faking it all along, friend. It made for good profit at the time and to get good Blackrock or Vanguard investment money. This is why despite putting rainbows in X, or FB, or YT, or LinkedIn profiles in the USA or in some Western countries, no company ever did that in any profile outside the West. It was all for show… and money. If they actually believe it they would have done so across the board. Yet they didn’t. They were just hoping most people wouldn’t notice. Many did. There was a meme RE: this floating around from years ago, too.
First reddit now youtube. Welcome to the tech broligarchy
We need a good federated youtube replacement so badly…
PeerTube isn’t bad, it just has no content
Yeah, and the platform is set up in a way that hinders onboarding and discoverability of what’s there (at least, compared to youtube’s approach…). These are all problems that prevent it from replacing YouTube. If you read Peertube’s official site they even say upfront that they’re not trying to be a YouTube replacement
It is kinda bad. Especially when it comes to finding content or getting noticed
It seems so difficult to use though
It’s always a question of money. It costs money to make quality content. YouTube has content because they share ad revenue to their content providers. That expands the more popular the content is because there are more ads displayed. That revenue lets the creators expand their capabilities with better gear and stage sets. Federated networks usually depend initially on volunteers and alternative ways of earning revenue for those instances besides ads.
Kind of. I think more than that YouTube has the traffic and people go where traffic is. Especially content creators. Many content creators have patreon accounts or similar to help pay the bills. And I rarely watch YouTube without an ad blocker, which I would assume is becoming more common. Can’t exactly pay creators with revenue that isn’t there.
It’s even more difficult since the content has to be stored somewhere, and needs to be streamed which requires storage and processing power, with the latter needing to be able to scale so the user experience doesn’t get bogged down by new people joining.
The entire revenue model of compensating the host and content creator does require a rethink, but it’s hard to see how that could be done without paywalling access to host, view, and/or both of the above.
Tbh money could be the initiative. So many content creators nowadays have platforms beside YouTube. Often even self hosted weboages. If a federated alternative would come up, they could just set up an own server and keep all the earnings.
This would somehow need to get started though. No idea how.
Probably because no one is actually using any gender identity based bigotry any more. So they might as well just remove it, it saves space. /s
Don’tBe EvilSlavishly Follow the Fascist Government’s Lead
I am a building
WHO ARE YOU I AM FROM ANCIENT GREECE
If you don’t use the strikeout, you can save millions of dollar on toner/ink from not printing out an extra word at a corpo that big. I think I deserve a promotion for that insight as well, well worth the extra money!
Do the “right” thing.
I would appreciate it if we could just get rid of this dumbass “hate speech” rule.
I would appreciate it if we could get rid of this dumbass. ^
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This is an unhelpful and condescending comment. It dismisses the meaningful activities people engage in online as “not life”: self expression, creating art and community, working, socializing, enjoying entertainment, and learning new things. It proposes a false dichotomy wherein not-online is utopic with universally accessible activities and, especially, an absence of the very same people who make online spaces toxic hellholes. They are present in “real spaces” too. These are not mutually exclusive things. You are likely to find that pro-social activists online are often try to be pro-social activists in person as well.
That being said, I agree that people get terminally online and that balancing digital and physical lives are important. Managing attention and mental health are important, especially when content about important and meaningful topics turn into viral and incessant feeds that are geared to overwhelm human brains that weren’t evolved to handle such constant cognitive/emotional stress.
Take care out there folks.
No thanks.
What else am I going to do when I’m stuck in an office 10 hours every day?
Hey. I’m learning Spanish, I’m a volunteer, and I run and cycle on the regular!
Somehow, that doesn’t stop you sounding like a bigot though…
They also allowed a pedo back on their platform
Dr D?
The one and only
As i signed up for this sub, I thought I’d be reading about technology. Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology, so naturally they call everyone nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean.
Just because someone doesn’t want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn’t mean they’re nazis. But I guess that’s not something that this sub is ready to face.
get fucked bigot
Your reply and your up votes just prove what I said. You’re not allowed to disagree with the rhetoric around here.
You are welcome to disagree and people are welcome to tell you off. That’s how speech works. Or should we tip to around disagreeing with you?
Of course everyone is allowed to speak their mind. But being called names for not supporting a particular point of view sounds like hate speech to me, wouldn’t you agree?
Hmmm, checks out. I guess the technology platform, YouTube, should get right on that too.
No, hate speech is targeting someone for how they were born. (Skin color, sexual orientatio, gender identity, ect.) Reacting to someone saying stupid shit is not hate speech and dilutes the meaning of the word to use it that way.
Sure, if your issue is that it’s okay for corporations to remove protections for hate speech towards marginalized groups, then yes, go get bent. This kind of false equivalence between normalizing hate and ostraciszing progressives for speaking out against oppression is EXACTLY what we’re fighting against. What in the hell is the ‘rhetoric’ do you disagree with? Having empathy for lgbtq+ people? Jesus. If so, this is definitely not the place for you.
Speaking about false equivalence, how did you came to the conclusion that just because I don’t find a corporation removing gender stuff from their policies relevant from a technological stand point - makes me an LGBT hater? You seem to already have made your mind, you probably did assume that I’m a trump supporter who wanna see gays being hanged, even though I was saying that I expected more tech and less gender politics from this sub.
There are a lot of subs dedicated to LGBT, I came here for tech. Which sub would in your opinion be more appropriate for tech talk if not this one?
When big Tech, especially the biggest video platform in the world, does something like this it is relevant to tech. The better question is, if you do support lgbtq+ people, why the public freakout about mentioning a far reaching tech policy, by one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) tech company in the world, on a tech sub?
No, you’re definitely allowed. Otherwise you’d have had your comments removed from the public discourse.
The up and downs just gauge public approval to the comment. Remember, you’re also free to up and down vote to voice your disagreement.
Also remember, if you think everyone around you are assholes then likely you’re the asshole.
Edit: I just saw your other comment on the lack of variety of posts. Be the change you want to see. Find something interesting and make a post!
Just your garden variety bigots and assholes then?
Also, I think you should read up on what facisim is and why it’s being so widely used right now as highly oppressive rhetoric is being pushed from many far-right leaders throughout the world.
I know exactly what fascism means, and often what the left is doing aligns better with the definition than what the right is doing. Also, let’s not forget that “nazi” is a short form for “national socialism”
I’m with you on the “they’re not Nazi thing”
I think Lemmy is being a space for targeted radicalization for certain groups.
But still I think you’re wrong that we can separate technology from this political stuff right now. It’s not separate. Technology is the medium that groups are using to spread this stuff. It’s important and interesting to see how they’re doing it.
Content should focus on the tech side of it. And also why be angry at the side that’s just trying to protect their freedoms here. If it wasn’t for the people trying to limit their freedoms, we’d never hear of this stuff.
The issue isn’t people trying to identify as another gender. It’s the people saying no they can’t and then abusing their power and influence to do it.
Sure, you can’t always separate the technology from the politics, my issue was that this is what most posts around here are about. I took a look and most content comes a few accounts, and it’s always about the “nazi this” and “fascist that”. Is that really only thing that happens in the tech space, what Musk said and what YouTube changed in their policy?
Most of the top feed I see is against AI
Seems like you are getting downvoted, but I agree with you that nowadays people use words like nazi and fascist very loosely. I’m very sure that a large part of the people can’t tell what nazi or fascist really is without looking it on Wikipedia.
Seeing as you apparently need someone to look the word up for you.
Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition
Let’s see.
But I do agree, they’re not Nazis, they’re MAGA. Their own brand of fascism.
I am Jack’s complete lack of self awareness
Hang on. I just scrolled down the comments list for a couple of minutes and didn’t see anyone calling anyone else a Nazi or a fascist. What are you going on about?
And YouTube is a company. They don’t believe in anything except increasing shareholder value. It’s got nothing about far left or whatever. Gender identity isn’t even a far left idea, unless your Overton window is skewed.
Also, you’ve just sort of outed yourself unnecessarily as an ignorant bigot in a left leaning community with your statement:
Of course they’re not Nazis. No one’s calling them a Nazi. They’re calling that someone a bigot.
Actually, it’s people who are concerned about companies kowtowing to a fascist regime, the Trump government.
Thanks?
Womp womp, get bent and bootlick Trump in hopes he might acknowledge you for his next grift.
Keep using uorigin for blocking as. Also use Firefox.
And newpipe on Android.
I used newpipe for a long time, currently using a fork called pipepipe. I forgot why I switched lol
pipepipe.dev
Probably for SponsorBlock.
You’re correct! And its done such a good job that it’s allowed me to forget (unintentionally) that issue even exists!
Ooh, great to know. Thanks!
Switch to AdNauseam.
It clicks ads in addition to blocking them.
What does this achieve other than funneling money from companies’ advertising budget to Google a little faster?
It undermines the integrity of the digital advertising ecosystem while providing additional income for website operators.
Look at the latest executive order on “protecting children”. They are planning for eugenics.
More proof Rainbow Capitalism was a lie/ad campaign to take more money from queers.
I wish I could rub this in the face of every cishet who said Rainbow Capitalism was actual progress.
Haha absolutely, I’m also one of the people who always said all this rainbow and green washing is bullshit. As if they ever cared for anything.
Capitalism has no values, except for one: shareholder value. Yesterday they help sending people to concentration camps, today they help saving the world and increasing diversity, yeah, totally convincing.
There is one thing to rely on with capitalism - if you convince people you can make good money with it or it is good for the brand, they will jump onto it and squeeze the shit out of it. An abstract, amoral force, made from a large number of concrete shitty people.
(For reference: I am cishet, but have family & friends in the LGBTQ+ community and consider myself an ally.) Usually just lurk, but I feel you so badly.
I’ve been saying it forever as well. They’re spending millions, to specifically target/advertise/appeal to the community… out of the goodness of their hearts? Right.
Then as soon as its “over”, the facade drops and its on to the next big event/target market. Rinse and repeat.
As a cishet I saw it what was as soon as they started it. It was about 10-15 years ago. It was sleazy then, and it’s sleazy now. They are just trying to milk the population as much as they can. They don’t give two fucks about inclusiveness or equality. They know a large portion of Americans want equality. So it’s a cash cow.
I mean, in the past companies wouldn’t be caught dead associating with LGBTQ+ people, let alone take their money. Now LGBTQ+ is acceptable enough for predatory advertising so…idk progress from like a fucked up capitalist perspective I guess?
Rainbow line must go up
I’m a little bit confused on this: if you visit the policy page now it does (at least for me, in Europe) still list “Sex, Gender, or Sexual Orientation” as a protected group in that exact same list. Obviously slightly different as they’ve combined a couple of different groups in there where previously they were delineated: plus I wonder if this is potentially showing because I’m in a different region. Would be interested to see what someone in NA sees: support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801939
EDIT: Nevermind, saw further in the thread