YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy (www.usermag.co)
from IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 18:45
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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 18:55 next collapse

Stop using youtube.

EDIT: A lot of people real fuckin triggered by this and looking for any excuse to keep using. Fucking addicts.

warm@kbin.earth on 03 Apr 2025 19:12 next collapse

What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.

ch00f@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:18 next collapse

nebula.tv

Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.

ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:37 next collapse

Sadly I couldn’t get it to stream reliably though it’s been a few months since I unsubscribed.

SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 05:54 collapse

Interesting, I’ve never had an issue with the video stream on nebula

SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:44 next collapse

The popular YouTubers are trash tho

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 19:50 next collapse

Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene “anti-woke” trash.

The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.

EDIT:

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Here’s after me watching an old Lightning Bolt music video. Six videos are related to Lightning Bolt, being live videos or music videos, but a solid four videos are all weird right-wing Nazi pipeline shit. One defending Trump and saying he has a plan, one lamenting the pushback against Tesla, one shitting on the new Snow White for being “woke,” and one literally with the giant title “fuck your pronouns.” Plus one old cartoon and an episode of Surrounded with one doctor vs. twenty anti-vax (I am not convinced this Surrounded show actually does anything helpful for any discourse.) I have watch history disabled so none of this comes from my watch history, this is the default that youtube gives to people.

notnotmike@programming.dev on 03 Apr 2025 20:24 next collapse

The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 20:28 collapse

dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock.

Oh, so it’s just wall street dick sucking and pretending the whole “market” isn’t just a rigged game? Counts as right-wing slop to me.

Is that the platforms fault?

Considering we have a fuck-ton of evidence from research that it isn’t just what other people watch that determines it: Yes, it is actually. Sorry these aren’t fucking videos so that you’ll actually pay attention to them.

ucdavis.edu/…/youtube-video-recommendations-lead-…

dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3351095.3372879

A lot of defense for a company that is literally in the process of saying “fuck your rights” to the same people being attacked in a lot of these videos. Jesus christ.

notnotmike@programming.dev on 03 Apr 2025 23:15 next collapse

Dude chill out, why are you so angry? I merely pointed out that one of the videos does not support your claims and suggested an alternative hypothesis

Sorry for upsetting you with discussion hot damn

Hominine@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 02:20 next collapse

Username checks out.

CybranM@feddit.nu on 04 Apr 2025 11:51 collapse

Maybe take a break dude, no need to be this hostile over some youtube videos

MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net on 03 Apr 2025 20:32 next collapse

Let me know if you find any of that trash on Nebula.

chuckleslord@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:02 next collapse

Yeah, exactly. This argument about YouTube isn’t relevant to Nebula.

andros_rex@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 22:13 collapse

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that Nebula is all “bread tubers” and left adjacent.

SorteKanin@feddit.dk on 03 Apr 2025 21:49 next collapse

Wow your YouTube recommendations are very different from mine.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 21:53 collapse

I have watch history disabled

SorteKanin@feddit.dk on 03 Apr 2025 21:54 next collapse

Well, that might be the cause. Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 21:57 next collapse

Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.

Agreed.

[deleted] on 03 Apr 2025 22:09 next collapse

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KeenFlame@feddit.nu on 04 Apr 2025 07:41 collapse

It depends on area and trackers. They have a bias but you are also a valid target

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hcbxzz@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 05:56 collapse

A good portion of the country is batshit insane, I’d be more surprised if I didn’t see that represented in the recs

sasquatch7704@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 07:33 collapse

Funny think about that.

I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.

So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it

brbposting@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 20:54 collapse

The buffer only stores one video, for direct user experience purposes only, and is wiped upon playback of a subsequent video.

Well that’s just my assumption based on the company’s data privacy reputation (lul I grinned typing that)


Love how aggressive Alphabet’s Google’s YouTube is after watch history’s disabled.

WATCH HISTORY OFF!! CLICK TO ENABLE (NO RECOMMENDATIONS B/C YOU DESERVE A BLANK PAGE) OTHERWISE, AGAIN !PLEASE! !!CLICK!!

#darkpattern

sasquatch7704@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 2025 05:55 collapse

I think it store more if you gave history on. Anyway the recommended are still there at the end of the video or sidebar. But yeah shitty dark pattern

Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 2025 22:21 next collapse

Weird.
Mine is just Anime, vtuber, tech (the good kind) and edutainment (e.g. kurzgesagt, real engineering, ezc.).

Maybe you engage heavily in political content because I mostly avoid it like the plague.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 22:23 collapse

I have watch history disabled

Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.

I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don’t have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.

brb@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 03:43 collapse

That’s a you problem. Why are you complaining?

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 03:49 next collapse

Y’all are just really desperate to kill any remaining faith I had in humanity that they aren’t all stupid selfish jerks, huh?

TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 12:49 collapse

yeah thats such a you problem, I cant believe he’s complaining about nazis being default on YouTube, that’s such an isolated problem that only affects him, and why would anyone complain about nazis anyway aren’t they the good guys? - you, apparently

brb@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 13:53 collapse

They are shooting themself in the foot by not letting the algorithm do its job.

I did not say nazis are the good guys. Don’t put words in my mouth.

TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 14:19 collapse

sorry

gabbath@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 10:01 next collapse

You’re correct but the “He has a plan” one is from Money & Macro, a leftist (Marxist-friendly) economics channel. He’s trying to explain the broader strategy behind the tariffs, which (from skimming the video) seems similar to a theory Yanis Varoufakis had as well. I think it’s much simpler than that though… I think they’re just a sloppy way to appear tough on the world stage while crashing the economy so the ultrarich can pick up the pieces, but that’s just me.

Anyway you’re correct about the rest I think. And tbh even one pipeline video in the top recommended is too many.

Rose@lemmy.zip on 04 Apr 2025 15:22 next collapse

Jubilee is a part of the same pipeline. See this for example.

LucidNightmare@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 17:38 next collapse

MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.

As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos

You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 04 Apr 2025 21:51 collapse

None of that has anything to do with the creators on Nebula or the Nebula platform itself.

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0k_@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 04:38 collapse

There’s definitely gaming content on there, but what I’ve seen has been of the long-form analysis type.

Enkrod@feddit.org on 04 Apr 2025 13:25 next collapse

The only way to pay for subscription is with a credit card, no thank you, my culture mostly doesn’t use those and I don’t have or want one.

kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 15:20 collapse

I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF

tomenzgg@midwest.social on 04 Apr 2025 17:18 collapse

First I’m hearing but that doesn’t surprise me; it’s probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don’t do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-backed businesses).

They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven’t done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn’t solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 19:20 next collapse

Maybe people could read more?

Nobody needs this endless “content” slop.

For real people need to get a grip if they can’t survive without it. They’re addicted.

drre@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 19:36 next collapse

totally agree with reading more. text is easy to consume, easy to store, (somewhat) easy to verify (if sources are provided), and it keeps (if using dead trees for storage). ever since the pandemic i started reading more and must say i really like it

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 19:40 next collapse

Hell yeah. Let’s hear it for the readers. Let’s hear it for footnotes. Let’s hear it for references. Let’s hear it for bibliographies. Let’s hear it for the more in depth ideas that can be explored via text than video or audio.

monarch@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 11:34 collapse

What do you think keeps something deep being in the form of audio? I get that videos aren’t great for research but audio can just be written word spoken so that people that can’t read or don’t enjoy reading can experience it. I read more than pretty much anyone that I know in my age range and I don’t see myself as superior because of it and doing some comes across as frankly pomous and self important.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 20:08 collapse

Some content lends itself well to written format. Lots of content does not.

drre@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 21:20 collapse

absolutely agree. i just wanted to point out that not everything has to be a video

dditty@lemm.ee on 03 Apr 2025 19:57 next collapse

Maybe people could read more?

Hell yeah I love audiobooks /s

southsamurai@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 20:30 next collapse

Horse shit.

Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn’t all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it’s easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.

Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don’t like that format?

Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don’t pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 20:32 collapse

How about the blind and dyslexic

Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.

It’s actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what’s cheap than what is actually useful.

southsamurai@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 20:47 collapse

Don’t be disingenuous.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 20:55 collapse

Yeah, that’s some projection. You weren’t being disingenuous to pretend that videos are more helpful to the blind than braille? Get a grip.

We’re talking about a company that is happily trampling over the rights of individuals right now, you don’t think the disabled won’t be next on their chopping block?

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CybranM@feddit.nu on 04 Apr 2025 12:05 collapse

Hmm yes I’ll just read about how cool two bullets hitting each other in slowmotion looks. Much better experience than watching it /s

Omgboom@lemmy.zip on 03 Apr 2025 19:38 next collapse

Go outside.

QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:41 next collapse

It’s not an easy answer, but the best way I’ve found so far is to use GrayJay.

If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.

Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.

StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 21:21 collapse

Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.

Daggity@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 00:08 collapse

Yeah rumble is made by and for Nazis.

gabbath@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 09:55 collapse

And Kick is a cesspool gambling-friendly “free speech” Twitch alternative.

catloaf@lemm.ee on 03 Apr 2025 19:58 next collapse

Catalog of what?

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 20:01 next collapse

Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.

Arkouda@lemmy.ca on 03 Apr 2025 20:07 next collapse

Store on a hard drive instead.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 20:53 collapse

They are all stored on local hdds, in fact I have two copies locally. I said it’s my cloud storage, my backup off site.

Arkouda@lemmy.ca on 03 Apr 2025 22:13 collapse

Sounds like you don’t need cloud storage then.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 22:49 collapse

Except I do, because I don’t have off site storage. 3-2-1 my friend. If my house burnt down, without the cloud storage I’d lose everything. Separate local copies is good for defending against disk failure.

Arkouda@lemmy.ca on 04 Apr 2025 02:00 collapse

If your data isn’t worth a few bucks to secure maybe it isn’t worth the redundancies in the first place. Keep making excuses and hope they keep allowing you to access your data “for free” or at all.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 20:23 next collapse

What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?

If it’s free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 20:52 collapse

I have many hard drives, and none of the videos are monetized or even publically listed. As I said, it’s my cloud storage, my offsite backup.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 20:57 collapse

And I’m saying you’re not paying for it, and that’s the problem. Everyone got way too comfortable with getting “free” shit from corporations that would trample our rights the second it became convenient for them.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 21:14 next collapse

If I’m using YT as cloud backup storage for hundreds of hours of video that is unlisted, unmonetized, how am I helping them trample rights?

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 21:20 collapse

Their ability to trample rights because of how much profit they make from horrible content is directly related to their ability to give you that space for free. “I’m not directly contributing” is a real weak excuse to keep using it, in my personal opinion.

whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.website on 05 Apr 2025 10:58 collapse

Just here to say it’s fucking WILD that you’re being downvoted

null@slrpnk.net on 03 Apr 2025 21:24 collapse

What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?

None. YouTube included.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 21:33 collapse

I mean, I do use YT as cloud storage for free. And before you say the “nothing is free line,” note my other replies.

null@slrpnk.net on 03 Apr 2025 21:39 collapse

Nope. The admin of sh.itjust.works lets you use their storage for free. Google does not.

There are things that are free, Youtube is not one of them.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 03:29 collapse

Okay, as I said in my other replies, the videos are unlisted, not monetized, and I don’t pay for it. What is not free about that?

null@slrpnk.net on 04 Apr 2025 03:46 collapse

Is money is the only thing about yourself that you ascribe value to?

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 04:34 collapse

That’s not an answer to my question. What value are they getting from me?

null@slrpnk.net on 04 Apr 2025 10:30 collapse

Do you really not know how Google’s business model works, or are you playing dumb?

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 12:45 collapse

Why can you not give me a straight answer?

null@slrpnk.net on 04 Apr 2025 12:50 next collapse

Because, frankly, I don’t think you’re being honest.

null@slrpnk.net on 04 Apr 2025 16:06 collapse

I’ll say this.

When I weigh the choice of handing over my personal videos to a company that is explicitly and actively going to use them to:

  • train and improve their massive corporate AI tools
  • develop their targeted ad platform (which is their real product)
  • build a comprehensive profile about me and my family

Or

Putting a NAS at a friends house, or paying a couple bucks a month for some block storage.

I end up preferring the second set of options. It’s fine if you don’t, but don’t pretend you have no idea that your personal videos and information are valuable to Google.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 16:39 collapse

Thank you for engaging the question more seriously but I still don’t care for you tone to me. Good day.

null@slrpnk.net on 04 Apr 2025 17:02 collapse

That’s nice. Just exposing your dishonesty. Move along.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 20:09 next collapse

We really should be working together to upload content from youtube to peertube instances.

Don’t ask for permission. Just do it. Civilly disobey.

Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de on 03 Apr 2025 20:24 next collapse

And who is going to pay for the bandwidth and storage space on those peertube instances?

I mean, I too want to get away from YouTube, but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 20:33 collapse

The people who set up the instances usually also are responsible for paying to keep them active.

but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.

I mean, they’re already there. Have you tried using Peertube?

Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de on 03 Apr 2025 21:05 next collapse

They are already there, and someone is paying for the storage and bandwidth for what’s already there. Asking for random people to start pulling videos from YouTube and uploading them to someone else’s server is going to very quickly make that server go away.

And yes, I have tried Peertube. My experience is when I click a Peertube link from Lemmy, 9/10 it is a dead link.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:07 next collapse

Gonna have to ignore you, bud.

Arguing with incompetent people such as yourself is a waste of effort.

Goodbye.

CybranM@feddit.nu on 04 Apr 2025 12:00 collapse

Haha, so many butthurt self-righteous people in this thread.

Why are you so toxic? I thought Lemmy was supposed to foster better discussions than Reddit but here you are name-calling and talking down to people.

Please consider treating people better in the future

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:19 collapse

Newest version of lemmy fixed this quite well. Take a look: lemmy.world/post/27751672

Old lemmy broke a lot of activityhub stuff unfortunately.

mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:07 collapse

Yeah and it turns out that this isn’t working well. github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/5783 Video is an unsolved problem, it’s great people are working on it but we aren’t there yet. PeerTube is not a viable YouTube alternative.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:09 collapse

That’s just the nature of the internet.

I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to block you now.

I’ve seen too much incompetence on your part, and I need to stop validating it with responses.

Goodbye.

whatyousaidontwitter@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 21:36 collapse

Wtf

Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de on 03 Apr 2025 22:29 collapse

They probably thought you were me, I got blocked above for making a similar point that you’d also made (although I think you did a better job of making the point).

Apparently pointing out that Peertube still has quite a way to go to meet YouTube’s feature set just shows incompetence.

Edit: I actually checked out their profile and we are lucky to have been blocked by them. Everything they post is either pompous, argumentative, dismissive, or some combination.

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:12 collapse

I dont think its ok to just rip peoples content without their permission.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:13 next collapse

That’s fine.

Nobody is forcing you to do it.

BossDj@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 01:24 collapse

Riots don’t work unless you smash some windows

CybranM@feddit.nu on 04 Apr 2025 12:02 collapse

Smashing your local mom-and-pop shop will surely show big businesses that you’re serious /s

unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 19:55 collapse

  • Remember that one with the dancing penis lmao. That had nothing to do with all the other else
reksas@sopuli.xyz on 03 Apr 2025 20:00 next collapse

not just stop, rip every half decent video from there and save it somewhere else. Losing everything in youtube is library of alexandria level loss.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 20:04 collapse
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip on 03 Apr 2025 20:39 next collapse

If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn’t replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.

MaggiWuerze@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 21:46 next collapse

The usual household has nowhere near the upload capacity to meaningfully stream videos.

TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip on 04 Apr 2025 01:44 collapse

“As many people as possible” not the usual household.

MaggiWuerze@feddit.org on 04 Apr 2025 07:29 collapse

Even most people hosting at home, which is already an incredibly small bubble, have only the default upload of something like 40Mbit which is more than plenty for internet usage and thus the only thing most providers supply, since people favour download speeds. You usually have to specifically order increased uploads speed, which not enough people do to build something that could serve as an alternative to youtube

TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip on 04 Apr 2025 09:14 collapse

Idk what to tell you man, I was just saying it would be cool if more people made a personal Peertube. Didn’t say everyone and their mother needed to make one, just that it would be nice if as many people as possible could make one. Again, I get that it can be hard, or not possible for most people, but if more people could make one, and made one, that would be cool.

MaggiWuerze@feddit.org on 04 Apr 2025 22:38 collapse

And I agree wholeheartedly. I’m just saying, that the idea of replacing YouTube with something federated fails due to lack of upload speeds, as cool as it would be. Still, having it even just as a small scale alternative would be cool

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:54 collapse

Yep that would be nice! Yunohost can make it pretty easy to install for those of us who self host. Plus this is the fediverse. Totally agree!

Walican132@lemmy.today on 03 Apr 2025 21:36 next collapse

Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.

UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 2025 23:56 collapse

Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.

Walican132@lemmy.today on 04 Apr 2025 00:42 collapse

Thanks. I can def do that on my phone. Don’t know much about how to do it on Apple TVs or Rokus but I very seldom use them for YouTube anymore anyway.

yuki2501@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 02:32 next collapse

Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.

unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 19:53 next collapse

Definitely stop

Comtief@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 22:36 collapse

No, I won’t.

obvs@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:10 next collapse

What international alternatives exist for YouTube? And I understand RedNote as an alternative for TikTok, but YouTube fills a little bit of a different niche.

jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de on 03 Apr 2025 19:19 next collapse

The closest, at least outside of China, would be Dailymotion.

Breadly@fedia.io on 03 Apr 2025 19:49 next collapse

Allas, if you want to stay away from YouTube, you'll also want to stay away from Dailymotion. This platform is owned by Vincent Bolloré who is also the owner of the "Groupe Canal" (which includes "CNews", the french equivalent to Fox News) and a number of different far-right media. Moving to Dailymotion is not exacly what I would call a smart one.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 07:15 collapse

feel like thats specific to pirated media. i remember i watch pirated shows on there all the time.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 19:37 next collapse

No one wants to talk about PeerTube?

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:38 next collapse

/c/peertube@lemmy.world

There’s a couple Lemmy communies out there where we showcase different channels.

lemmy.world/c/peertube

Check out top for a decent selection. It’s a somewhat new community but we are growing fast. It’s federated and has some hidden gems from people. Has a very early YouTube feel.

roofuskit@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:42 next collapse

Because the user experience is horrible for non-creators.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 20:04 next collapse

User experience can be improved pretty easily.

The important parts are already there.

kat@orbi.camp on 03 Apr 2025 21:02 collapse

Easier said than done. Reason after all these years it still hasn’t been addressed.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 21:14 collapse

I really don’t think it is.

kat@orbi.camp on 03 Apr 2025 22:27 collapse

As an engineer with almost 2 decades of experience (including streaming sites)… It is.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 22:32 collapse

Well, we’d have to be more specific about what parts of the “user experience” we’re talking about here in order to make that assessment.

I’m mostly talking about discoverability, the default algorithms, the lack of federation, and a way to actually filter content by language.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 20:14 collapse

True.

Peertube has been hamstrung by a very poorly-made design decision early on.

It’s my understanding that peertube copies all of the content from hosts it federates with. That’s a huge waste of storage and the main reason why most peertube instances hardly federate with anything.

Instead, peertube developers should implement the option for servers to duplicate data, or simply load the data through a link to a server that hosts it.

It’s still young and they’ve done a pretty good job with everything except this fundamental flaw. Hopefully if enough people hear about this idea and promote it, we can see it implemented and then Peertube can really take off.

roofuskit@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 20:23 collapse

That’s optional. You have to opt in to mirror a server.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 20:34 collapse

I don’t think that’s true.

It’s my understanding that by federating, you are duplicating the data from the servers you federate with on your own.

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 20:41 next collapse

The server itself has the option to turn that off or on. And most dont turn that on. Its off by default.

Source: I host a peertube instance.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:07 collapse

Does this mean users won’t be able to see videos hosted on other platforms from your instance?

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:26 collapse

Thats a good question.

Users are still able to see their videos, it just does not create a local copy unless you enable that on your server. Its just a pass-though.

EX:

You can see that more clearly here:

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/17feb9b7-e2ea-45a8-89f9-ed7879cc71fa.png">

And here is my subscriptions (looks and functions identical to Youtubes subscriptions):

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ac64d756-d3b7-4df6-8cb5-f916f6414bfb.png">

But the videos are on their respective servers.

Federation still occurs (and admins can be very specific if they want): <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/819d6e93-585b-4c97-ac32-77a733593ed5.png">

Hope that makes sense!

roofuskit@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 22:02 collapse

You might want to look more into how peertube works then.

missingno@fedia.io on 03 Apr 2025 19:52 collapse

I don't think it's possible for PeerTube to scale to a size where it would be capable of competing with Youtube.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 20:06 next collapse

PeerTube is just software. It’s a decentralized network. It doesn’t have to scale to that size. You can have a million servers handling the storage and streaming in a more efficient method and democratize the bandwidth.

missingno@fedia.io on 03 Apr 2025 20:28 collapse

Who's paying to run a million servers?

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 20:38 next collapse

Same people that pay for lemmy. Us.

It doesn’t take much to host peertube TBH. And with each peertube instance, the videos get easier to host. It scales very well with the current iteration of software.

The two biggest issues are actually not software related:

  1. A platform is only as good as its users (creators and users who interact). Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
  2. Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.

Im pretty happy with what it does NOW. I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube. I like my friends and family (and sometimes us weirdos) looking at my videos. And I like the slow trickle of people hosting their videos on say makertube, peertube.wtf, and other such platforms. They seem like really fun individuals and im having a blast.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 20:49 collapse

The two biggest issues are actually not software related

I disagree, the biggest issues are related to discoverability, and most certainly software-related.

Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.

Not necessarily. They only need to agree to allow an instance to mirror their content, and possibly one day contribute something to it in the event that it becomes popular enough. For now, consent is really all that’s required. The only revenue they’re missing out on is AdSense.

Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.

Patreon is one of many different ways to generate revenue. Most popular Youtubers are diversifying in various ways. The most effective of which is creating their own products and using their channels to promote them. Affiliate links/codes is another way smaller creators can diversify.

I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube.

As always, with freedom comes abuse. Youtube has a lot of regulations that can be cumbersome but also can protect creators and users.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 20:40 collapse

Hosts and users who want their stuff available to their audience without YouTube’s bullshit.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 20:11 collapse

Wrong.

thisfro@slrpnk.net on 03 Apr 2025 20:08 next collapse

Peertube is the obvious candidate, but I’m not sold on the content.

I use nebula.tv, many of the creators I like are there too. You pay somerhing, but their business model is not too bad imho.

Floatplane is somewhat similar, but LMG is involved, which I don’t love.

daggermoon@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:49 collapse

What’s wrong with LMG?

xcat2000@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 01:32 next collapse

Linus media group

monarch@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 05:16 collapse

They can not keep themselves out of drama for more than 6 months at a time. The whole situation with M left a bad taste in my mouth even though they were found legally clean. All of the other dramas that have occurred that might not be such a big deal on their own, but when they are all coming from one company it starts to paint a picture.

buddascrayon@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:59 collapse

There really isn’t one. That’s why they feel that they can do whatever they feel like. They have no real competition for the type of service they offer.

BroBot9000@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:11 next collapse

As reported from a substack writer… 🤮

Substack platforms and monetizes Nazis.

stellargmite@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:12 next collapse

Mind providing a bit more context to this so I can look it up ? I’ll boycott substick if need be.

groolthedemon@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 19:18 next collapse

platformer.news/leaving-substack-platformer-year-… This looks to be straight from the person that BroBot9000 was referring to. Interesting read.

Arkouda@lemmy.ca on 03 Apr 2025 19:22 collapse

I found some older news articles, but nothing more recent for an update.

nbcnews.com/…/pressure-builds-newsletter-company-…

techcrunch.com/…/substack-nazi-content-policies-c…

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/…/676156/

Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 2025 19:31 collapse

theracket.news/…/substacks-nazi-problem-isnt-goin…

This one’s more recent. As of six months ago, still a problem.

stellargmite@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 19:18 collapse

Thanks both. I’ve seen enough. Beyond problematic on substicks part.

IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 2025 19:38 collapse

Oh sorry, didn’t know about that

southsamurai@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 19:57 next collapse

So, sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?

Because a lot of the time, it’s weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.

The dude has been in the driver’s seat for pretty much every major deterioration of Google/alphabet for years.

Enelop@lemm.ee on 03 Apr 2025 20:03 next collapse

He donated a million to Trump’s “inauguration” and sat in the VIP section, he was already a CEO that sucks.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 Apr 2025 20:09 next collapse

sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?

Been on that list since he became a CEO

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 20:15 next collapse

Don’t forget current Youtube CEO Neal Mohan and former Youtube CEO Susan Wojcicki!

daggermoon@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 21:48 collapse

Damn we were eating good with Susan, comparitivly speaking anyway.

tfm@europe.pub on 03 Apr 2025 21:28 next collapse

list of CEOs that suck?

Isn’t that simply called CEO list?

southsamurai@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 2025 21:46 collapse

True, true

[deleted] on 03 Apr 2025 22:19 next collapse

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luce@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 23:22 next collapse

it’s weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.

hard to remember name (for americans, europeans, or at least me) i assume compare that to “Spez” which is very, very easy to remember and plaster around as the one evil to blame for a systems behavior

Venator@lemmy.nz on 05 Apr 2025 14:38 collapse

Prabhakar Raghavanalso also deserves a dishonorable mention.

lumony@lemmings.world on 03 Apr 2025 20:08 next collapse

Good.

Let people say what they want and you can ignore them if you don’t like what’s being said.

Shardikprime@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 22:13 next collapse

BASED

circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Apr 2025 00:07 collapse

I recommend you take strides to learn how propaganda works, most specifically the purpose of shifting opinion (i.e. the Overton Window): “I’m just asking questions” and “I’ll let anyone speak” are two of the most effective methods of propaganda. It does not need to be intentional on the part of the interviewer.

lumony@lemmings.world on 04 Apr 2025 01:07 collapse

Your problem is that you want to censor ideas you don’t like.

You want to control what other people think by dictating what they get to see and what they’re allowed to share with others.

You are going to grasp at whatever straw you can to get rid of people saying things you don’t like.

circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Apr 2025 01:14 next collapse

Your problem is that you want to censor ideas you don’t like.

This is a natural result of media controlled by corporate interests. It’s also a misunderstanding of “free speech” – even when you are free to say what you will, it does not mean you are free from the consequences of that speech.

You want to control what other people think by dictating what they get to see and what they’re allowed to share with others.

Again, I suggest looking into how propaganda works. Letting everyone speak about anything (without vetting of topic, qualifications, or direction) has consequences. We are seeing those consequences now and will continue to see more as the propaganda machine runs wild on the back of “let everyone speak”.

Your view of this is overly simplistic and I am, in the most polite way, attempting to direct you to self improvement. It is a common issue at the moment across all discourse – probably vestigial of the information sharing capabilities now available.

lumony@lemmings.world on 04 Apr 2025 01:17 collapse

I tried giving you an opportunity, but I’m going to block you now.

You people will just respond incessantly until you get what you want, so I’m going to let you have the last word.

Goodbye.

circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Apr 2025 01:25 next collapse

I tried giving you an opportunity, but I’m going to block you now.

I really don’t even know what this means.

I wish the best for you.

thisfro@slrpnk.net on 04 Apr 2025 07:22 collapse

Ironic

nexguy@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 03:59 next collapse

Companies censor ideas all the time. McDonald’s employees don’t tell their customers how ugly they are… it’s against company policy. Youtube is a company that can implement whatever company policies they like and if you don’t like it you can go somewhere else.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 07:19 collapse

no, when you obviously spouting misinformation its within peoples rights not to give you time of thier day. and thats why you would be banned in reddit surely as here eventually for the right reasons.

lumony@lemmings.world on 04 Apr 2025 08:09 collapse

Yeah. You want to misconstrue it as “misinformation” so that you’re automatically correct with no discussion involved and you can censor anyone who disagrees with you.

I’m going to ignore you now.

ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee on 03 Apr 2025 20:19 next collapse

Showing how truly performative their big “ally” push was during the pandemic. All their BLM and diversity support was just as performative. Big corporations are just sycophantic monsters riding trends. Avoid them where possible.

AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com on 03 Apr 2025 20:55 next collapse

Fuck rainbow capitalism

gabbath@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 03:20 collapse

I’m more concerned about “anti-rainbow” capitalism. Like what’s happening right now where instead of being performatively progressive they become performatively reactionary. (Well, I suppose that’s just reactionary.)

Basically what I mean is I want rainbow capitalism to exist, but in a very specific way: I want rainbow capitalism to be the bare minimum a company has to implement if they want to exist. I want the social circumstances to force them to at least pretend to be on the right side of history.

Honestly, the real problem in rainbow capitalism is the capitalism part.

SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 06:01 collapse

The point is, is that it doesn’t matter. Companies are not true allies, they just do whatever earn them the most money and PR

If it means to become literal Nazis, then they become literal Nazis. And sell the supplies to the gas chambers

gabbath@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 08:26 collapse

For sure. It was more of a “yes, and” than disagreement. Profit is such a vile incentive, literally why we can’t have nice things.

nature_man@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 22:11 next collapse

Reposting my comment another post relating to this situation

I mean this is just them making official how they’ve been acting for 2 years minimum, as much as google and youtube want to act progressive and inclusive, people still get demonetized for talking about lgbtq or women’s issues, unless they are harassing them, in which case the video will stay up no matter how many of youtube’s rules it breaks. For example, trans NB game critic Stephanie Sterling had multiple harassment videos against them (they listed pronouns as they/them last I checked, please correct if changed) that are still up right now, several years after upload, despite those videos exclusively attacking them for being trans/non-binary, which breaks youtube’s TOS

Companies are not your friend.

FreeBird@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 2025 23:12 collapse

Months ago I reported a Nazi. Like a real Nazi. With a hitler pfp. And they didn’t ban him. This is the channel of the Nazi: youtube.com/channel/UCZijsnbYQawRHi-Z3DwEcTA

nature_man@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 00:34 next collapse

Wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’ve had this exact thing happen to me several times. Sometimes they’ve even had slurs in their profile image or banner too.

gabbath@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 03:06 collapse

Just don’t make a video criticizing the nazi using snippets of the nazi’s videos, because that’s when you risk getting taken down for hate speech.

Smaller channels have this happen to them on a regular basis when they criticize bigger channels like, say, Matt Walsh. In that case, it’s because YT likes the bigger channel better for giving more ad revenue, but they still know that it’s hate speech so they apply their own rule selectively… on people criticizing the hate speech. They only ban chuds after they become irrelevant, and that’s only to save face — for example, when they banned Stefan Molyneux he was hardly popular anymore, so there was no financial loss in banning him, and they could score brownie points about how progressive they are.

MoonlightFox@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 22:12 next collapse

There is one thing that is vital that is missing from peertube. Effective monetization.

By watching on peertube I am a drain on resources. A net negative. I’d happily pay to offset those costs and more, but I want it to be shared amongst multiple creators and hosters.

I don’t want to just support one, I want to support most of the network for the hosting and bandwidth, and a certain amount divided amongst the creators I watch.

If PeerTube introduces some sort of payment / monetization solution, it might get more creators as well. Without it I can’t see it growing fast enough to compete with YouTube in the near future.

Well… Sooner or later the costs of Full HD compressed video will be negligible for hosting and bandwidth, so that might be when YouTube gets a real challenge. So I guess we’ll see

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 2025 22:31 next collapse

I remember the pre-Youtube internet where we created content because it was fun or educational, not because we needed money for the task of doing so.

Paying for server costs and maintaining them, sure. MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators. The rest of the people on the site, they just make good content for the sake of making good content, not because they feel the need to be paid for their time doing it.

God I miss the pre-Youtube era. “Content creators” looking for a payday via advertising are a fucking cancer.

MoonlightFox@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 02:46 next collapse

I subscribe to a lot of full time “content creators” that are ad supported and supported via donations.

I curate my feed meticulously to avoid slop, and I get a lot of value, learning and entertainment from those I follow.

I believe they deserve to be paid for the tremendous amount of work they put in.

Some sort of ability to generate a livable wage from creating high quality content seems reasonable, no?

KeenFlame@feddit.nu on 04 Apr 2025 07:36 collapse

You can pay them. They can choose to require it. Nobody needs to pay a fucking gestapo in between

TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip on 04 Apr 2025 02:50 next collapse

I mean, sure but we are past that. No large YouTuber will give up getting paid, and go to a system with a much smaller user base so even stuff like affiliate links and sponsorships are worth less. Basically double lose money just to join peertube. Especially since most large YouTubers have a team of people who they pay, so they cannot afford for their employees sake to take such a large loss just to support peertube.

More likely this leads to Vimeo, or like twitch TikTok or something else being able to support a normal video platform than it leads to people using peertube.

monarch@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 04:57 collapse

I will never understand people who identify as leftist that refuse to understand that under our current economic model people require money to survive and if they do not get money for doing their creative work they might not be able to continue making that work.

It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete. There is a reason that the quality of content available on youtube has gone up massively. Say what you want about the writing but there is no way that something like helluva boss could ever have been made entirely online before youtube.

nyamlae@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 14:50 next collapse

It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete

Yes, it is, if your desire to get paid causes you to remain on corporate-controlled social media, to the detriment of society.

Not to mention, plenty of people can and do put hundreds of hours of work into projects that they don’t ask for payment for.

“Content creators” who get paid through advertisements are class traitors whose interests are aligned with the capitalist class. They will fuck over society to make a buck for themselves.

monarch@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 21:12 next collapse

Do you think the same thing about people who work for basically any company? Because they are way more directly responsible for the actions of their corporation than the average person that makes 50k a year between AdSense and sponsors.

nyamlae@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 22:16 collapse

No, my point specifically relates to creative work. You said in your comment:

under our current economic model people require money to survive and if they do not get money for doing their creative work they might not be able to continue making that work.

This is false, basically. They can do other types of work. Creative work can be done without making money for it. Plenty of people have a day job and make creative work in their free time. The same option is not available for most other types of work, such as government, doctors, lawyers, etc. If you try to do these types of jobs outside of the framework of a regulated business, you’ll get the book thrown at you.

The issue I’m getting at isn’t “are you responsible for the actions you take to make a living”. Rather, I’m getting at the issue of “does creative work require becoming an employee of a capitalist company, thereby siding with its shareholders in having a vested interest in increasing that company’s profits regardless of the societal damage caused?”

The answer to that question is a resounding “no”. Creatives need to grow a spine and get a day job.

monarch@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 22:29 collapse

Why specifically creatives? There are so many other professions that are more important to someones everyday life and no one seems to hold the same vitriol at them valuing their time that people do for creatives. I don’t see people suggesting that nurses get a day job and do nursing on the side.

nyamlae@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 2025 00:33 collapse

It has to do with the societal consequences of how them “valuing their time” impacts people. Nurses refusing to do volunteer nursing has little impact on the overall system of access to healthcare.

Healthcare is heavily regulated through legislation, and is going to be free or paid or corporate or not corporate largely as a result of the legislation. Nurses can’t just do what they want. People who are concerned about the state of healthcare should therefore change things by targeting legislation, not by targeting nurses.

Creative work is not like this. Creatives refusing to do do volunteer creative work means that either they will charge for their work, which creates a barrier to access, or they will use (and push others to use) platforms like YouTube and TokTok that make money from ad data.

The former choice results in class differences in access to art, and the latter choice results in everyone using platforms that have proven themselves to be hostile to minoritized groups and progressive causes. These outcomes aren’t legislated – they are the result of creatives choosing to “value their time”.

In otherwords, creatives choosing to “value their time” means that they will happily enforce class-based restrictions in access to art, and will happily support conservative corporations and surveillance capitalism.

And I practice what I preach, too. I have spent thousands of hours developing free software and making free educational materials for people, donating my labour to support progressive causes and supporting others who do the same. Creatives who insist on charging for their work are a ball and chain on the movements I support. They are leeches and class traitors.

Creatives should value other people. Fuck their time.

TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip on 04 Apr 2025 21:12 collapse

“you’re not a leftist unless you have daddies money to support you wasting 100 hours on a 20m video.” Certainly is… a take. But anyways, I’m not even talking about being leftist or not or whatever. I just mean, people. Period. It’s not selfish to want to get paid for making something. People need money to live.

Are there content creators who fucking suck? Yes. But there’s also ones that don’t. They’re allowed to make money.

nyamlae@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 22:06 collapse

you’re not a leftist unless you have daddies money to support you wasting 100 hours on a 20m video.

I didn’t say that, though. Clearly it’s not worth engaging with you.

slackassassin@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 23:32 collapse

It’s because some people don’t actually support workers, especially creative workers, regardless or their political identity.

andros_rex@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 04:08 next collapse

MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators.

MetaFilter has at multiple points been on the verge of shutting down, no? IIRC, you pay $5 for an account.

Muyal@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 20:48 collapse

People expect to pay a carpenter or a plumber for their services, why shouldn’t entertainers and content creators be allowed to get paid for their work?

FreakinSteve@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 04:04 collapse

Nebula

drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 2025 22:53 next collapse

A real alternative to YouTube would be so good right now.

FreakinSteve@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 04:04 next collapse

Nebula

[deleted] on 04 Apr 2025 05:13 next collapse

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drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 05:21 collapse

I mean something free

FreakinSteve@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 17:04 collapse

What was YouTube before Google bought it? Can it be remade again, or have all servers been captured?

rob200@lemmy.ca on 03 Apr 2025 23:33 next collapse

This was bound to happen after the election results just a matter of time. Also, hate speech related content possibly gets a lot of clicks. So capitalism benefits. Next is, possibly but hopefully not, Bluesky’s official server.

IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 2025 23:42 collapse

I dont see Bluesky going down the enshittification path thát fast

rob200@lemmy.ca on 03 Apr 2025 23:50 next collapse

Hopefully. If Youtube did it, who’s to say now that Bluesky may or may not jump ship? It’s an industry. However, i’m mainly pointing at the main server, other servers on Bluesky might not jump ship so fast, or not at all (ideally).

Trihilis@ani.social on 04 Apr 2025 05:06 collapse

I dont trust anything that isn’t fully decentralized. Bluesky is very weird in that regard, its partially centralised. I guess it’s better than Twitter (but that is setting the bar very low). I still refrain from using it too often.

It will almost certainly have ads in the future and will inevitably go down the path of reddit, twitter and Facebook so I prefer to use something that is completely out of reach of the CEO if something goes to shit.

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 04 Apr 2025 13:13 collapse

We need sites that are decentralized and make clear where their funding comes from. In the end, users need to be prepared to fund the services they use to keep them honest. This is especially true of video which is very expensive to host.

circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Apr 2025 00:05 next collapse

“Don’t Be Evil”

(I know this hasn’t been the Google motto in years – when it stopped was one of the biggest corporate red flags)

bunkyprewster@startrek.website on 04 Apr 2025 00:22 next collapse

Google now reserves the right to “be evil”.

circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Apr 2025 00:29 collapse

It’s right there in the TOS! /s

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 04:02 next collapse

If they were really serious about not being evil, they would’ve formed as a public benefit corporation (which they did not).

circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Apr 2025 04:09 collapse

Yes. Avenues exist. But money is corrupting.

CosmoNova@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 06:56 collapse

„Be evil, break people“ is the current motto of silicon valley.

ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 01:39 next collapse

That is why centralized platforms, especially powerful ones, are sitting ducks waiting to become even more corrupt. Why more people are not leaving centralized services is a crime against humanity as it is clear that supporting theme means society suffers.

DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org on 04 Apr 2025 04:45 next collapse

The ‘not leaving centralized services’ thing isn’t really helped when there’s basically no other viable alternatives, like is the case with YT. PeerTube exists, sure, but it’s a content desert, sadly.

Now, if PeerTube had more content to choose from…

Really though, Reddit, Meta, Twitter, and Discord all have viable decentralized alternatives in the form of Lemmy, Pixelfed, Mastodon (Mastodon serving as an alternative for both Facebook and Twitter), and Matrix respectively, why can’t PeerTube serve as a truly viable decentralized alternative for YT?

Even Linux is in its glow-up arc as a viable Windows alternative lately ffs, and I’m glad to have been on that bandwagon for years before that platform started gaining mainstream attention.

monarch@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 05:11 collapse

The big problem with PeerTube(PT) is that there is no advertising. As it stands now people are burning money in order to run a PT instance and YouTube(YT) was not at all profitable for many years so it is unlikely that PT ever will be unless people start being willing to pay for people to upload their content to PT. There are ways that you could make PT profitable but it would end up making it into something more similar to Patreon or Nebula.

AkashicOwl@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 12:04 collapse

It’s harder than that IMO. There are plenty alternatives to many bad things but people just don’t care. Just like Linux, for the average person that’s got enough shit to deal with, they don’t wanna add what they perceive like a difficulty and remove comfort by having to start from scratch with less options. Also, being cut from the mainstream trends, and the general social thing.

Not speaking for me as I’ve been mostly degoogling and demicrosofting, even tho I still partly feeling like that for YouTube that’s been a very valuable part of my life (yes. I do read and go outside. But please stop suggesting that to people in such threads, that’s missing the point), and that I couldn’t let go off yet. Alternatives rn are either totally devoid of content (at least, the one I like), or paid (didn’t gave a shot to Nebula, I’ll browse it and see, but it might be hard to beat both my favorite creators I spent years curating, and the fact that you can find anything on any obscure thing)

monarch@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 21:07 collapse

Yeah there are a lot of factors at play. I have YT premium because my parents still pay for a family plan even though I am out of the house so I don’t think I’ll be getting off YT for a while at least.

Nebula also doesn’t have a comment section which is invaluable when someone makes a mistake or you disagree with someone on a point.

AkashicOwl@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 21:28 collapse

Yeesh. A paid service and they don’t even have a comment section (plus there doesn’t seem to be a lot of videos on a few subjects I like)? Don’t wanna be a crybaby but they’re really making things harder.

seeigel@feddit.org on 04 Apr 2025 05:12 collapse

It’s frightening. Why do people not make an effort to leave Reddit?

How can the same people run a dictatorship of the proletariat? Even democracy, I don’t see how society as a whole can avoid being manipulated.

PerfectDark@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 02:04 next collapse

And people judged me for watching YouTube with uBlock Origin, or via NewPipe for eons.

Look who’s laughing now.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 04:00 next collapse

Those aren’t opinions I would care about in the first place. Somebody thinks you should be watching ads? WTF?

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 04:02 next collapse

but google’s profits!!!

Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 04:56 next collapse

Please think about billionaires!

monarch@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 04:58 next collapse

LTT is very sure that following the FBIs recommendation for always using an adblocker is piracy for one example.

vga@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 05:20 collapse

There’s some justification for this idea since the people who buy the products advertised by ads are the source of the money that goes to the producers of the videos.

KeenFlame@feddit.nu on 04 Apr 2025 07:31 collapse

But that’s not happening

Trihilis@ani.social on 04 Apr 2025 04:59 next collapse

Good lord, the amount of idiots that white knighted me for using uBlock.

“WOULD U WORK FOR FREEEEE???”

Like fuck off no I wouldn’t. I also dont buy up every other company I see, turn it to shit and then try to force a political agenda through it, and guess who IS doing that using billions of dollars? Yep, Google.

SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 08:17 collapse

Won’t someone think of the shareholders?

/s

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 07:21 next collapse

youtube is too infested with ads, to make me disable ublock origin for my favorite channels. in anycase most of the channels become greedy pos overtime anyways. outside of pet one/animals/stem ones, ones that are just gossip or reaction or like mr beasts videos are no good.

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 04 Apr 2025 13:08 collapse

YouTube on mobile is intolerable these days. NewPipe is the way for Android, though Google is in a constant battle to disable it.

skisnow@lemmy.ca on 04 Apr 2025 03:04 next collapse

When an influential group of powerful people make hate speech a part of their standard rhetoric, is EXACTLY when you MUST block it on your platform, not a signal that it’s time to start letting it slide, you fucking pricks.

Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 03:24 collapse

Pichai kissed the ring. He’s colluding with the person who tried to overturn the elections and install himself as a ruler.

All of the billionaires that were at the inauguration are in the same boat. I’m at a point where I believe the crimes of any of them should be tried and convicted with the punishments being doled out collectively to all colluders, but that’s me.

I’d be going for the death penalty from the prosecution side, since it seems like that is what we do now to people who cause one or more people to die, no matter how unethical the victim(s) were.

vga@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 05:19 collapse

I wonder if Tim Cook is there too. It would make sense for him and Apple to resist this at least somehow but…

noxypaws@pawb.social on 04 Apr 2025 16:16 collapse

Tim Cook is just as fucking evil as the rest of them.

RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 04:36 next collapse

Google should get destroyed

slaacaa@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 04:54 next collapse

Don’t be evil

spicehoarder@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 05:07 next collapse

I hated Google far before it was cool. I would feel vindicated if it weren’t so damn overdue. They don’t even contribute meaningfully to society. And I mean that about EVERYTHING

Gmail is lame, their search engine sucks, chrome wastes resources, their ads platform ruined the internet, Golang fundamentally sucks, the emulation layer of android is so fucking wasteful, Material Design ruined digital creativity, etc.

inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 06:21 next collapse

It’s okay. I gotcha so you don’t got to ssy it

Spicehoarder told y’all so!

ivanafterall@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 10:16 collapse

I need someone like you around.

treesapx@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 06:22 next collapse

Google search feels like it has stopped being the magic it was. Now whenever I search for something I might not find it underneath all the stuff on sale. For the first time in I don’t know how many years I’ve been finding myself using something else like Duck Duck Go.

inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 06:26 next collapse

The AI nonsense, the flawed ranking and the pages of sponsored links. Honestly, Google is just straight up useless.

13igTyme@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 06:42 collapse

I used to use Google shopping to find certain items and compare websites. Now the entire left side that used to be a filter list is replaced. When you click a “filter” option it just adds text to the search bar. Then it will include an essay about why these are your options for something and recommend top brands, but then just list everything.

joshchandra@midwest.social on 04 Apr 2025 16:38 next collapse

Consider the decentralized family of trom.tf apps, such as search.trom.tf as a replacement (that’s the only one I use of their stuff so far… but may poke around more later).

spicehoarder@lemm.ee on 06 Apr 2025 00:44 collapse

What a treasure trove. I love lemmy

joshchandra@midwest.social on 06 Apr 2025 02:57 collapse

Ironically… I myself found this through Reddit, no joke! But yeah, I hope to sway more people here.

AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:56 collapse

Yep, that’s intentional. They stopped prioritizing user experience and started prioritizing ad revenue instead a while ago

KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 07:32 next collapse

You think chrome is bad? You should try the GCP console, 2 tabs were using 15GB RAM.

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 04 Apr 2025 08:19 next collapse

their ads platform ruined the internet

Ads were the bane of the internet FAR before Google even fucking existed. lol

blind3rdeye@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 13:43 collapse

and yet somehow google made it worse. Not only are there more ads than ever before, but now it’s also a panopticon.

noxypaws@pawb.social on 04 Apr 2025 16:29 collapse

What’s wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well

spicehoarder@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 17:17 collapse

The key point here is our programmers… ​They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language… So, ​the language that we give them has to be easy for them to understand ―Rob ‘Commander’ Pike, creator of Go

And here’s a related blog post: https://valuedrivenit.blogspot.com/2015/12/to-go-language-is-mess.html?m=1

It’s a very opinionated language in the worst way possible.

WrenFeathers@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 05:10 next collapse

They don’t want proof that what’s going to be happening soon, was ever mortally objectionable.

Cantaloupe877@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 06:09 next collapse

On the one hand, less censorship, on the other, something a lot worse.

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com on 04 Apr 2025 06:29 next collapse

Why even bother with a hate speech policy? Oh, right, money.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 07:24 collapse

strange, they have allowed it ont he channel for quite a while, alot of the videos were mostly directed at transpeople in the form of anti-woke videos. like that channel where it had 20 magats arguing vs 1 “liberal”.

right wing drives viewers to grifters, and those have ads which benefits youtube.

SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 07:39 collapse

Also right wingers are dumb as hell and don’t use adblock.

qaz@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 06:48 next collapse

Everyone should check out PeerTube sometime, the UX has improved a lot and there’s a decent amount of content too. I recommend installing the PeerTube Companion app. It shows a popup on YouTube if you’ve clicked on a video that is also available on PeerTube.

lautan@lemmy.ca on 04 Apr 2025 10:03 next collapse

thanks

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 11:30 next collapse

what’s the best queer friendly instance? :^

qaz@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 13:22 collapse

I don’t know, but here’s a list of instances joinpeertube.org/instances

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 04 Apr 2025 13:15 next collapse

How is discoverability in PeerTube? That was the sticking point for me with PeerTube as with Mastodon last time I looked. It was not easy to discover what’s out there.

qaz@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 13:21 collapse

Still not that great, I rely on the companion to redirect me to channels through YouTube.

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 15:23 next collapse

Yeah best we have right now is subscribing to the lemmy/piefed communities like /c/peertube and seeing what you like. For better or for worse, there is no algorithm. Moreso in peertube than others.

AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:53 collapse

Yeah this is the kicker for me and for most others. It won’t ever replace youtube until it can implement similar discoverability features and improve the onboarding process. Youtube is run by the shitlords, yes, but it’s also a service that has no equal, literally has no peers. Until it does, it will remain uncontested and they’ll be able to get away with whatever policy changes please them (and their dictator-in-chief. And their shareholders)

VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 19:57 collapse

Nebula.tv

and

Means.tv

both offer more curated platforms that arent owned and operated by the broligarchy

I realize Peertube is free and Floss but it’s esoteric and lacking buy in; like a great open source console with no games. (Whats more if you dont use a VPN it can be used to track your view history, iirc)

I’m broke af but planning on getting subscriptions to both asap; real shit bc if the monetization model is “free” (ads) then you the viewer are the product, units for their ecomomy.

and they’ll canibalize you when their done with queer people, brown people and other marginalized folks like me.

Petter1@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 07:03 next collapse

🤬

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 07:15 next collapse

youtube has enshittified for a while, they went downhill as soon as they announced that they no longer backed election denial reports. then all the right wing, anti-woke videos started popping up all over the place, plus the one that try to seem like its both sides videos too.

allowing people like beast, and others to dominate the front, was asking for trouble.

[deleted] on 04 Apr 2025 07:30 next collapse

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fxdave@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 2025 08:16 next collapse

I’m not in favor of YouTube, but what exactly missing here?

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/c6692b99-0e8e-46ca-940f-b788b1d1e446.jpeg">

Chocobofangirl@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 15:30 collapse

It used to say gender expression and identity. If it doesn’t, that’s a deliberate decision that could cause enforcement calls like ‘well that’s not your REAL gender so this isn’t harassment’.

fxdave@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 2025 17:42 collapse

I mean… It’s already over-specified compared to others: “sex, gender or sexual orientation”. It’d be equally right to criticize religion for why don’t they write “belief, spiritualism, religion”, and to include identity, and expression.

They should just write “sex stuff”, and everyone is happy.

AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 10:00 next collapse

While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention ‘sex, gender, or sexual orientation’, which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/c6692b99-0e8e-46ca-940f-b788b1d1e446.jpeg">

OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca on 04 Apr 2025 11:17 next collapse

You still think things are run by reasonable people?!

AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 11:21 collapse

No, but I think most of the people on Lemmy should know better than that.

Looks at Hexbear, .ml, and to some extent Blahaj

Oh, who am I kidding.

Comtief@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 22:50 collapse

Yeah its quite echo chambery here

patatahooligan@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 14:55 next collapse

“Gender” means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn’t protect trans people, for example. We don’t know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don’t consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with “gender identity and expression”.

AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 15:00 collapse

This is not a legal contract, it’s a general guideline for users about what is or isn’t acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn’t matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.

gamer@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 15:13 collapse

What matters is how this affects enforcement.

AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 15:30 collapse

It doesn’t. It’s not like this page gets used internally. They have their own internal guidelines for that.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 14:10 next collapse

Man this whole anticipatory compliance with the fascist regime shit is fucking awful

ameancow@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 15:29 next collapse

Welcome to how the world has always worked and always will. There’s gin to help wash the black pill down.

LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 22:48 collapse

It’s like Roko’s Basilisk playing out in real time, except instead of building a malignant computer out of fear it’s accelerating a fascist takeover.

mooncake@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 15:18 next collapse

It’s time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi

ameancow@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 15:33 collapse

Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

No really, this is a phenomenon that’s known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn’t played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard “made them nostalgic” and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn’t have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.

And there are far, FAR more people like this than there are people with steadfast principles and discipline to stick to them. The depressing majority of people are not really thinking, they’re just going with the flow, agreeing with popular sentiment when it’s convenient, doing whatever they want when nobody is looking because capitalism has bled our axioms out.

If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, actually talking to people in our communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)

edit: I firmly stand by my claim that you can change the world a lot better by being a good, active, social person who organizes your community. If we all kinda, embraced this as a passion and cared about people who aren’t in our discord servers, we wouldn’t need to try to boycott companies who won’t give two shits about you giving them more press.

supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 15:40 next collapse

Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

No they aren’t? People just haven’t actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of “ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you”.

Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla’s stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).

This isn’t to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn’t better spent elsewhere, but don’t dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.

ameancow@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 15:56 next collapse

Strikes do a lot more damage to companies. I think a lot of people mix the two ideas up.

The last most successful boycotts were mostly ones you never heard of, and at least one you rather not hear of. We managed to get tuna companies to pretend to harm fewer dolphins in 1988. Before that is was things like the 1965 Delano Grape Strike and the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott. The most recent boycott that actually got a company to change its marketing and outreach was the Bud Lite/Dylan Mulvaney boycott by the anti-trans right.

If you think you can get enough people as worked up about an issue as the chuds were about a single commercial featuring someone they were scared of, then by all means let’s fire up all the engines and get boycotting. Otherwise, I would encourage people who work at these tech companies to start talking about unions and making change from the inside. But none of that does as much damage to a company as getting politicians installed who are already taking bribes from other companies. Yes this is a dark perspective, you’re welcome to disagree but in my nearly five decades on Earth this is just what I’ve seen over and over.

supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 16:37 collapse

I don’t want to take away from the general thrust of your point, I just don’t think we have actually seen boycotts that people were actually fired up en masse to enforce.

I think up until right this very moment the general center of mass of society has been largely ok with most of what capitalism is, I think that is going to continue to drastically change, and we will see a lot more wildcat boycotts of companies that significantly hurt them.

That being said I agree that overly focusing on that as a strategy isn’t necessarily wise, but boycotts are definitely a weapon that can absolutely blow up the bridges of corporate 'Murica.

Letsdothisok@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:38 collapse

No, this boycott at least isn’t “working” to any serious degree. And teslas stock is negligibley effected by any the protest. It can all be so subjective, though, anyway.

Lol, no, i looked it up, this is not a “VERY” successful boycott. Not in the least.

Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf on 04 Apr 2025 17:39 next collapse

Yeah, the Tesla boycott totally didn’t work…

Letsdothisok@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:27 collapse

You’re right. They didn’t.

Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf on 05 Apr 2025 07:52 collapse

The delulu is strong with this one.

angrystego@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 2025 12:56 collapse

Boycotts are not enough, but in combination with girlcotts they are very efficient.

I’ll see myself out.

Ilandar@lemm.ee on 05 Apr 2025 13:28 next collapse

They say when a boycott meets a girlcott, a baby cot is born…

ameancow@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 2025 14:29 collapse

Best reply I got here tbh.

HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 15:29 next collapse

It’s almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.

samus12345@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 16:36 next collapse

It’s too hard to change anything, but only if it’s progressive policies. Fascist policies can be implemented immediately.

TheEntity@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:44 next collapse

It’s too hard to change anything if one believes in laws, rules and the general idea of a fair justice. They don’t have this limitation.

PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 19:55 collapse

Well. Being a bigoted asshole is easy.

Actually being inclusive and nice to people takes effort.

Sizing2673@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:06 next collapse

This is what’s fucking shitty about this

Every company and every politician and every person who bends over so willingly IS THE PROBLEM

It’s like they announce their regime and these idiots roll out the red carpets immediately ready be the first company to suck the government off

If they all stood their ground, it would buy more time

darthelmet@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 19:23 next collapse

It’s almost like their support for these issues was never genuine to begin with.

Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 20:02 next collapse

Was yours? Commenting online isn’t exactly fighting the good fight. Did you do anything to help shore up and defend anything.

These companies face legal action from the government that was elected. A government elected who won power by spreading their shitty ideology everywhere.

darthelmet@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 20:28 next collapse

I’m not talking about personal actions. I personally believe in equality and I wish I could do more about that even if there are all sorts of personal reasons that’s difficult for me.

Corporations don’t believe anything. They’re just profit optimizing machines. They were doing rainbow capitalism when they thought it would be more profitable and now that they think the opposite is more profitable, they’ll do that. It’s as simple as that and hoping corporations would be allies in a fight for equality was always based on a misunderstanding about power.

It’s not like corporations don’t have power that can resist government action. Look at how effectively they’ve evaded taxes and regulations. The big international ones can threaten to take their ball and leave if they don’t like a country’s policies. And that’s when they don’t just bribe politicians to change them.

The workers at those companies are people though. Labor organizing was always going to be necessary to build up power for change. Not saying it’s easy and I can’t fault someone for worrying about losing their job, but if resistance was going to happen anywhere that’s where it would be. Not in boardrooms or alone in a booth.

But there’s the difference. It’s one thing to have convictions but not the means or courage to act on them. It’s another thing to have power, but lack convictions beyond whatever is currently convenient. The former could overcome those obstacles given the right circumstances. The latter never will.

brysmi@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 20:31 next collapse

Gosh, Melvin, what a hero you are.

Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 21:06 next collapse

You too

LinyosT@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 21:13 collapse

Fuckin’ Melvin

Ilandar@lemm.ee on 05 Apr 2025 13:26 collapse

MELVIN USED MORAL SUPERIORITY

BUT IT FAILED

IT HURT ITSELF IN ITS CONFUSION

SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 20:43 next collapse

What are you doing? Why are you swinging on someone clearly with you?

Zomg@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 20:54 next collapse

Read your comment back to yourself.

Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 21:00 collapse

And did I do anything

Fizz@lemmy.nz on 09 Apr 2025 07:00 collapse

Commenting online is fighting the good fight. Online sentiment is shifted by commenting online and online sentiment plays a huge role in influencing the acceptable opinions.

FriendBesto@lemmy.ml on 05 Apr 2025 21:50 collapse

Exactly. :-/

menemen@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 23:26 next collapse

They didn’t capitulate. They never fought. They just did what was the best shot at earning money and gaining ground at the time.

Don’t ever expect moral based behavior in capitalism or geopolitics.

FriendBesto@lemmy.ml on 05 Apr 2025 21:50 collapse

They didn’t capitulate. They were mostly faking it all along, friend. It made for good profit at the time and to get good Blackrock or Vanguard investment money. This is why despite putting rainbows in X, or FB, or YT, or LinkedIn profiles in the USA or in some Western countries, no company ever did that in any profile outside the West. It was all for show… and money. If they actually believe it they would have done so across the board. Yet they didn’t. They were just hoping most people wouldn’t notice. Many did. There was a meme RE: this floating around from years ago, too.

carrion0409@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 15:33 next collapse

First reddit now youtube. Welcome to the tech broligarchy

AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:45 collapse

We need a good federated youtube replacement so badly…

lukstru@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:46 next collapse

PeerTube isn’t bad, it just has no content

AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 19:04 next collapse

Yeah, and the platform is set up in a way that hinders onboarding and discoverability of what’s there (at least, compared to youtube’s approach…). These are all problems that prevent it from replacing YouTube. If you read Peertube’s official site they even say upfront that they’re not trying to be a YouTube replacement

Muyal@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 20:44 next collapse

It is kinda bad. Especially when it comes to finding content or getting noticed

Comtief@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 22:45 collapse

It seems so difficult to use though

nibble4bits@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 04 Apr 2025 19:30 collapse

It’s always a question of money. It costs money to make quality content. YouTube has content because they share ad revenue to their content providers. That expands the more popular the content is because there are more ads displayed. That revenue lets the creators expand their capabilities with better gear and stage sets. Federated networks usually depend initially on volunteers and alternative ways of earning revenue for those instances besides ads.

suite403@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 21:09 next collapse

Kind of. I think more than that YouTube has the traffic and people go where traffic is. Especially content creators. Many content creators have patreon accounts or similar to help pay the bills. And I rarely watch YouTube without an ad blocker, which I would assume is becoming more common. Can’t exactly pay creators with revenue that isn’t there.

moonbunny@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 21:17 next collapse

It’s even more difficult since the content has to be stored somewhere, and needs to be streamed which requires storage and processing power, with the latter needing to be able to scale so the user experience doesn’t get bogged down by new people joining.

The entire revenue model of compensating the host and content creator does require a rethink, but it’s hard to see how that could be done without paywalling access to host, view, and/or both of the above.

menemen@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 23:30 collapse

Tbh money could be the initiative. So many content creators nowadays have platforms beside YouTube. Often even self hosted weboages. If a federated alternative would come up, they could just set up an own server and keep all the earnings.

This would somehow need to get started though. No idea how.

FatTony@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 15:35 next collapse

Probably because no one is actually using any gender identity based bigotry any more. So they might as well just remove it, it saves space. /s

diemartin@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 16:24 next collapse

Don’t Be Evil

samus12345@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 16:34 next collapse

Slavishly Follow the Fascist Government’s Lead

Orangutanion@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 17:24 next collapse

I am a building

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 2025 17:47 collapse

WHO ARE YOU I AM FROM ANCIENT GREECE

NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 20:39 next collapse

If you don’t use the strikeout, you can save millions of dollar on toner/ink from not printing out an extra word at a corpo that big. I think I deserve a promotion for that insight as well, well worth the extra money!

FrameXX@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Apr 2025 17:00 collapse

Do the “right” thing.

Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip on 04 Apr 2025 18:11 next collapse

I would appreciate it if we could just get rid of this dumbass “hate speech” rule.

AnjunaSouls@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:45 collapse

I would appreciate it if we could get rid of this dumbass. ^

[deleted] on 04 Apr 2025 18:28 next collapse

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Soleos@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:51 next collapse

This is an unhelpful and condescending comment. It dismisses the meaningful activities people engage in online as “not life”: self expression, creating art and community, working, socializing, enjoying entertainment, and learning new things. It proposes a false dichotomy wherein not-online is utopic with universally accessible activities and, especially, an absence of the very same people who make online spaces toxic hellholes. They are present in “real spaces” too. These are not mutually exclusive things. You are likely to find that pro-social activists online are often try to be pro-social activists in person as well.

That being said, I agree that people get terminally online and that balancing digital and physical lives are important. Managing attention and mental health are important, especially when content about important and meaningful topics turn into viral and incessant feeds that are geared to overwhelm human brains that weren’t evolved to handle such constant cognitive/emotional stress.

Take care out there folks.

iridebikes@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 18:52 next collapse

No thanks.

desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 19:04 next collapse

What else am I going to do when I’m stuck in an office 10 hours every day?

ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 19:53 collapse

Hey. I’m learning Spanish, I’m a volunteer, and I run and cycle on the regular!

Somehow, that doesn’t stop you sounding like a bigot though…

TemplaerDude@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 19:32 next collapse

They also allowed a pedo back on their platform

Gstocklein@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 21:35 collapse

Dr D?

TemplaerDude@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 23:34 collapse

The one and only

cotlovan@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 19:45 next collapse

As i signed up for this sub, I thought I’d be reading about technology. Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology, so naturally they call everyone nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean.

Just because someone doesn’t want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn’t mean they’re nazis. But I guess that’s not something that this sub is ready to face.

VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Apr 2025 19:50 next collapse

get fucked bigot

cotlovan@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 21:01 collapse

Your reply and your up votes just prove what I said. You’re not allowed to disagree with the rhetoric around here.

suite403@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 21:11 next collapse

You are welcome to disagree and people are welcome to tell you off. That’s how speech works. Or should we tip to around disagreeing with you?

cotlovan@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 22:07 collapse

Of course everyone is allowed to speak their mind. But being called names for not supporting a particular point of view sounds like hate speech to me, wouldn’t you agree?

slackassassin@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 2025 22:40 next collapse

abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or most importantly against people who have just the worst takes.

Hmmm, checks out. I guess the technology platform, YouTube, should get right on that too.

suite403@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 2025 18:27 collapse

No, hate speech is targeting someone for how they were born. (Skin color, sexual orientatio, gender identity, ect.) Reacting to someone saying stupid shit is not hate speech and dilutes the meaning of the word to use it that way.

wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 2025 21:11 next collapse

Sure, if your issue is that it’s okay for corporations to remove protections for hate speech towards marginalized groups, then yes, go get bent. This kind of false equivalence between normalizing hate and ostraciszing progressives for speaking out against oppression is EXACTLY what we’re fighting against. What in the hell is the ‘rhetoric’ do you disagree with? Having empathy for lgbtq+ people? Jesus. If so, this is definitely not the place for you.

cotlovan@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 22:14 collapse

Speaking about false equivalence, how did you came to the conclusion that just because I don’t find a corporation removing gender stuff from their policies relevant from a technological stand point - makes me an LGBT hater? You seem to already have made your mind, you probably did assume that I’m a trump supporter who wanna see gays being hanged, even though I was saying that I expected more tech and less gender politics from this sub.

There are a lot of subs dedicated to LGBT, I came here for tech. Which sub would in your opinion be more appropriate for tech talk if not this one?

wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 2025 23:13 collapse

When big Tech, especially the biggest video platform in the world, does something like this it is relevant to tech. The better question is, if you do support lgbtq+ people, why the public freakout about mentioning a far reaching tech policy, by one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) tech company in the world, on a tech sub?

redwattlebird@lemmings.world on 04 Apr 2025 21:30 collapse

No, you’re definitely allowed. Otherwise you’d have had your comments removed from the public discourse.

The up and downs just gauge public approval to the comment. Remember, you’re also free to up and down vote to voice your disagreement.

Also remember, if you think everyone around you are assholes then likely you’re the asshole.

Edit: I just saw your other comment on the lack of variety of posts. Be the change you want to see. Find something interesting and make a post!

odelik@lemmy.today on 04 Apr 2025 19:51 next collapse

Just your garden variety bigots and assholes then?

Also, I think you should read up on what facisim is and why it’s being so widely used right now as highly oppressive rhetoric is being pushed from many far-right leaders throughout the world.

cotlovan@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 20:59 collapse

I know exactly what fascism means, and often what the left is doing aligns better with the definition than what the right is doing. Also, let’s not forget that “nazi” is a short form for “national socialism”

Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 19:56 next collapse

I’m with you on the “they’re not Nazi thing”

I think Lemmy is being a space for targeted radicalization for certain groups.

But still I think you’re wrong that we can separate technology from this political stuff right now. It’s not separate. Technology is the medium that groups are using to spread this stuff. It’s important and interesting to see how they’re doing it.

Content should focus on the tech side of it. And also why be angry at the side that’s just trying to protect their freedoms here. If it wasn’t for the people trying to limit their freedoms, we’d never hear of this stuff.

The issue isn’t people trying to identify as another gender. It’s the people saying no they can’t and then abusing their power and influence to do it.

cotlovan@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 21:05 collapse

Sure, you can’t always separate the technology from the politics, my issue was that this is what most posts around here are about. I took a look and most content comes a few accounts, and it’s always about the “nazi this” and “fascist that”. Is that really only thing that happens in the tech space, what Musk said and what YouTube changed in their policy?

Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 23:04 collapse

Most of the top feed I see is against AI

UltraMasculine@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 2025 20:14 next collapse

Seems like you are getting downvoted, but I agree with you that nowadays people use words like nazi and fascist very loosely. I’m very sure that a large part of the people can’t tell what nazi or fascist really is without looking it on Wikipedia.

suite403@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 21:20 collapse

Seeing as you apparently need someone to look the word up for you.

Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

Let’s see.

  1. Christian nationalism is a huge part of Trumps support group
  2. Cops target brown people to attempt to deport them and Trump pardons them for ignoring court orders to stop (Joe Apaio)
  3. Trump continues to deport people based on skin and looks without due process. Ignoring courts telling him to stop.
  4. Trumps America first slogan is eerily similar to Hitlers slogan.
  5. Trump is starting to isolate the US from the rest of the world (but curiously not Russia)

But I do agree, they’re not Nazis, they’re MAGA. Their own brand of fascism.

wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 2025 21:12 next collapse

nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean

I am Jack’s complete lack of self awareness

redwattlebird@lemmings.world on 04 Apr 2025 21:26 next collapse

Hang on. I just scrolled down the comments list for a couple of minutes and didn’t see anyone calling anyone else a Nazi or a fascist. What are you going on about?

And YouTube is a company. They don’t believe in anything except increasing shareholder value. It’s got nothing about far left or whatever. Gender identity isn’t even a far left idea, unless your Overton window is skewed.

Also, you’ve just sort of outed yourself unnecessarily as an ignorant bigot in a left leaning community with your statement:

Just because someone doesn’t want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn’t mean they’re nazis

Of course they’re not Nazis. No one’s calling them a Nazi. They’re calling that someone a bigot.

Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology

Actually, it’s people who are concerned about companies kowtowing to a fascist regime, the Trump government.

LMurch@thelemmy.club on 04 Apr 2025 21:32 next collapse

Thanks?

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 04 Apr 2025 21:37 collapse

Womp womp, get bent and bootlick Trump in hopes he might acknowledge you for his next grift.

GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 20:56 next collapse

Keep using uorigin for blocking as. Also use Firefox.

suite403@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 21:03 next collapse

And newpipe on Android.

quid_pro_joe@infosec.pub on 04 Apr 2025 21:57 collapse

I used newpipe for a long time, currently using a fork called pipepipe. I forgot why I switched lol

pipepipe.dev

IllNess@infosec.pub on 05 Apr 2025 04:35 next collapse

Probably for SponsorBlock.

quid_pro_joe@infosec.pub on 07 Apr 2025 23:26 collapse

You’re correct! And its done such a good job that it’s allowed me to forget (unintentionally) that issue even exists!

suite403@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 2025 18:31 collapse

Ooh, great to know. Thanks!

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 2025 00:10 collapse

Switch to AdNauseam.

It clicks ads in addition to blocking them.

cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml on 05 Apr 2025 10:31 collapse

What does this achieve other than funneling money from companies’ advertising budget to Google a little faster?

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 2025 10:33 collapse

It undermines the integrity of the digital advertising ecosystem while providing additional income for website operators.

MasterReflection1916@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 2025 21:02 next collapse

Look at the latest executive order on “protecting children”. They are planning for eugenics.

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 04 Apr 2025 21:35 next collapse

More proof Rainbow Capitalism was a lie/ad campaign to take more money from queers.

I wish I could rub this in the face of every cishet who said Rainbow Capitalism was actual progress.

zenforyen@feddit.org on 04 Apr 2025 22:34 next collapse

Haha absolutely, I’m also one of the people who always said all this rainbow and green washing is bullshit. As if they ever cared for anything.

Capitalism has no values, except for one: shareholder value. Yesterday they help sending people to concentration camps, today they help saving the world and increasing diversity, yeah, totally convincing.

There is one thing to rely on with capitalism - if you convince people you can make good money with it or it is good for the brand, they will jump onto it and squeeze the shit out of it. An abstract, amoral force, made from a large number of concrete shitty people.

InsincereLogic@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 04 Apr 2025 22:59 next collapse

(For reference: I am cishet, but have family & friends in the LGBTQ+ community and consider myself an ally.) Usually just lurk, but I feel you so badly.

I’ve been saying it forever as well. They’re spending millions, to specifically target/advertise/appeal to the community… out of the goodness of their hearts? Right.

Then as soon as its “over”, the facade drops and its on to the next big event/target market. Rinse and repeat.

daddakamabb@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 2025 13:12 collapse

As a cishet I saw it what was as soon as they started it. It was about 10-15 years ago. It was sleazy then, and it’s sleazy now. They are just trying to milk the population as much as they can. They don’t give two fucks about inclusiveness or equality. They know a large portion of Americans want equality. So it’s a cash cow.

deepfuckingdumb@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 2025 23:07 collapse

I mean, in the past companies wouldn’t be caught dead associating with LGBTQ+ people, let alone take their money. Now LGBTQ+ is acceptable enough for predatory advertising so…idk progress from like a fucked up capitalist perspective I guess?

InsincereLogic@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 05 Apr 2025 00:52 collapse

Rainbow line must go up

u10ji@programming.dev on 05 Apr 2025 08:09 collapse

I’m a little bit confused on this: if you visit the policy page now it does (at least for me, in Europe) still list “Sex, Gender, or Sexual Orientation” as a protected group in that exact same list. Obviously slightly different as they’ve combined a couple of different groups in there where previously they were delineated: plus I wonder if this is potentially showing because I’m in a different region. Would be interested to see what someone in NA sees: support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801939

EDIT: Nevermind, saw further in the thread