fubo@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 00:01
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As a reminder, Brave was created by the guy who brought you JavaScript and was later fired from Mozilla for donating to hate groups. Brave also profits from multiple forms of fraud including NFTs and affiliate hijacking.
hagelslager@feddit.nl
on 19 Oct 2023 00:07
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If folk want to have a chromium-based browser made by a company, take a look at Vivaldi instead (which will keep the old plugin architecture, so adblockers work). It has a limited built-in blocker and extra features, but for now still runs uBlock.
Ganbat@lemmyonline.com
on 19 Oct 2023 00:49
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Vivaldi is what I use, and it’s absolutely the best Chromium browser I’ve ever tried.
That said, I’d switch to Firefox in a heartbeat if it could duplicate that sidebar. I use that thing all the time, and it’s the only thing keeping me on Chromium.
Firipu@startrek.website
on 19 Oct 2023 02:14
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Try it out. It’s a sidebar that allows you to put all kinds of websites and tools in small pop-out windows.
A less visually appealing, but much more powerful version of the opera chat sidebar.
I’ve tried to get something similar in Firefox, but nothing comes even close.
Built-in functions >>> addons any day of the week.
(cfr mouse gestures)
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 03:30
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opera chat
…whut? (I haven’t had opera since the buyout)
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org
on 19 Oct 2023 03:53
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Before the buyout, I think you could use it as an AIM/ICQ client.
Firipu@startrek.website
on 19 Oct 2023 05:01
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Yeah, no. I should have put some hyphen I guess.
Opera chat-tabs. Opera has a sidebar for chat clients (eg messenger, WhatsApp, telegram,…) built-in. It works really well and is prettier than the Vivaldi implementation. Still sticking with Vivaldi though
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 07:28
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Cool! Thanks for explaining =)
BloodSlut@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 11:47
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i fucking love vivaldi’s mouse gestures.
whenever i use firefox i end up constantly opening the inspector view like an absolute moron
Ganbat@lemmyonline.com
on 19 Oct 2023 04:04
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It’s a thin, persistent bar on the left side of the page with tools and shortcuts. By default, it’s where you find bookmarks, history, downloads and things like that, but you can also add custom websites to it as well. They pop out either over or alongside the main window (depending on whether the pin button is pressed), and they display the mobile webpage when available, to be more usable in such a small window. It’s how I use Discord and Mastodon.
matt@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 12:49
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Firefox fork with features like the sidebar, vertical tabs, and more. It’s a vivaldi-like gecko browser, give it a shot.
clearleaf@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 23:59
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Floorp is built on Firefox and was built in Japan and is a new browser with excellent privacy & flexibility.
There’s something really funny about that sentence. I think it’s because it reminds me of “remember Akira? That’s from Japan.”
turbowafflz@lemmy.world
on 21 Oct 2023 00:28
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I just switched to floorp from firefox, it’s so nice to finally have another choice for a non-chromium browser with a reasonable number of plugins
Ganbat@lemmyonline.com
on 21 Oct 2023 03:48
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Oh, man, that’s exactly what I’ve been wanting. Already switched!
sir_reginald@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 20:57
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it’s also absolutely proprietary, so no, thanks.
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 22:07
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As A Vivaldi user since day one, I gave it up once I couldn’t take anymore of Googles/Chromium bull hockey. I’m just so done supporting a company like that. Firefox switch wasn’t easy, but after the first week I got used to it and I’m never going back to Chromium browser. Anyone can switch if you actually care enough.
chepox@sopuli.xyz
on 19 Oct 2023 03:02
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I have Vivaldi on my android but I do not know how to get adblock working. Is it even possible?
Firefox mobile has Ublock Origin and works great. Even on YouTube.
It’s not just BAT; Brave also supports NFTs, which are even more unambiguously a scam.
The company is in bed with the cryptocurrency “industry” which cannot exist without constant fraud, ransomware, and other crimes.
Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me
on 19 Oct 2023 00:10
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Software installs services to make its features operate, including optional default off ones. More news at 10.
Either it does it at install time, or when you try to turn on the VPN after subscribing to it, it pops an UAC prompt to finish installing optional components. That’s standard practice, and it’s good for security because it means they can flag the browser itself as not capable of elevating privileges. They’re not going to put a gaping security hole in their software so that idiots don’t write articles about “installing things without your concent”. You already consented to installing Brave, you can’t be surprised Brave is installed.
As long as it deletes them when you uninstall, this is a complete non-issue.
Goronmon@kbin.social
on 19 Oct 2023 00:57
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I guess it depends on how much you trust a company (both now and in the future) to do something they shouldn't with this kind of setup, whether on purpose or though incompetence.
Personally, I don't software silently installing unrelated services to my machine just in case the company decides they want to have it running on my machine in the future.
Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me
on 19 Oct 2023 01:19
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It is an advertised feature though. It can and will use those services if you enable them.
Should it also not come with the binaries for the VPN feature at all? That has downsides: maybe you’re on a laptop trying to bypass a network block that also blocks the download of the VPN software but the VPN would work.
So if it’s to come with the binaries, why can’t it install the service too, that defaults to off and manual launch? On Linux that’d be a systemd unit, on Windows it’s probably an API call of some sort but they basically contain the same information: some metadata, an executable and the privileges to launch it as.
I’d never seen a Linux user complain about <1kb systemd unit file being installed that’s disabled by default and only started on demand when the feature is requested as part of a package they install. It just is and doesn’t hurt anyone. Don’t want it, don’t use it.
When I download software, I expect all its built-in features to be installed and usable even if I don’t use them, nor want them. It’s part of the package.
It’s kind of borderline because the VPN really could and should be a separate product entirely, I don’t want to launch a browser just to then on a VPN. But they made it a built-in feature that’s advertised as such, so it shouldn’t surprise anyone.
Especially given its proprietary software. If you’re that privacy and security conscious, why are you using proprietary software and not Firefox or Chromium or whatever the latest flavor of degoogled Chromium fork du jour is. The service is nothing compared to all the other crap they could be running in the browser completely hidden from you. That service is super transparent and upfront, if they wanted to hide it they could easily hide it. If you really don’t want it to run, you can even set it to disabled entirely, and Brave won’t even be able to start it.
If you’re that paranoid, you really should be running Linux or at least avoid as much closed source software as possible.
Chronographs@lemmy.zip
on 19 Oct 2023 01:06
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Yeah I mean there’s a lot wrong with brave but this is like getting mad at software for installing an autoupdate service
Tick_Dracy@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 07:53
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How many cryptos did they pay you to write that? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Oct 2023 09:01
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On android I prefer cromite. Dont know how it compares with ungoogled chromium on windows though. Firefox is the superior choice on desktop
downpunxx@kbin.social
on 19 Oct 2023 01:08
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the brave experience was less than ideal for me, the brave search is unusable, i switched back to firefox, which i had moved to from chrome
also, related, but a side note, word to the wise, never ever ever use a free vpn ever, someones gotta foot the bill for the exit server bandwidth, and either they're keeping logs or they're not keeping logs, but you'll never know, and you won't know when they sell their settup to the next guy. always use a major vpn service who's audited and shown proof they're not keeping logs, they're in the business of secure and private vpn service. free vpns like what brave are offering are not in that business, and server, rack space, bandwidth costs actual money
AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Oct 2023 02:35
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Just a reminder, one of the largest investors in Brave is a right-wing billionaire who runs a corporate espionage agency that contracts with the US Department of Defense to spy on people.
Fades@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 05:57
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Wow, I actually had no idea. I haven’t used Brave in awhile now but they’ve been making some strange decisions lately. This makes the picture a little clearer
mitrosus@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Oct 2023 06:03
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Well, it’s about Peter Thiel, who also founded the Palantir surveillance technology company. As a source for his involvement with Brave, Wikipedia cites this TechCrunch article, which mentions funding from Thiel’s “Founders Fund”.
I’d rather criticize Brave for other reasons though, like being led by Brendan Eich or supporting crypto.
AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Oct 2023 12:14
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That’s the best reason, but somebody already mentioned it and I didn’t want to be redundant.
IdealShrew@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 21:12
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is it cool to hate crypto now? I thought the sort of people who use Lemmy would be all for the idea
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 22:09
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Crypto is a scammers paradise.
DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca
on 19 Oct 2023 02:41
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Just a reminder, Brave was using people’s likenesses to solicit donations without their consent, and without necessarily give those people the donations.
VPN is a paid service, it doesn’t connect to anywhere if one doesn’t pay. This is just a service installed just in case. And complaining about this while using Windows , the OS with unavoidable telemetry, spyware and ads is just laughable.
Mozilla did far worse “mistakes” over the time (Pocket , Cliqz, Mr. Robot, deal with the worst privacy offenders on the Earth such as Google Facebook, Amazon, CEO pay rise while firing devs and losing market share, while begging for donations… and so on) but they somehow always get a free pass, with people swallowing Mozilla’s corpo PR every single time.
the_q@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 04:43
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Lol look at your downvotes. You don’t even know why we’re all against brave.
Only stupid people care about downvotes. And who are these “all”? A lot of people use Brave happily every day, while a lot of people deservedly leaves Firefox everyday because they realize the scam Mozilla is:
What exactly do you think this link proves? Be specific.
sir_reginald@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 21:07
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I think you meant Brave is a scam here.
I mean, it’s not like Mozilla runs their own crypto wallet with the browsers keeping a mayor cut for themselves only because they are distributing the browser.
Mozilla does not run a crypto based ad network and inserts it into webpages.
Mozilla has never been caught inserting their own affiliated links into crypto related websites to receive a cut.
So you probably misplaced Mozilla with Brave there.
Sure, Mozilla is not perfect and they deserve criticism when they do things wrong (and they tend to). But Brave is just a chromium skin + a crypto based scam built-in.
dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Oct 2023 04:53
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Stabbitha@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 05:51
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Says the dude very obviously shilling for Brave. You’ve solidified my decision to uninstall it.
Tick_Dracy@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 07:50
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Hey sir, I think you’re on the wrong side of the lane. The Brave Cult highway is this way ↗️ !bravebrowser@lemmy.ml
CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world
on 19 Oct 2023 07:52
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Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !bravebrowser@lemmy.ml
Tick_Dracy@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 07:57
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Good bot!
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Oct 2023 09:07
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Mozilla have some immunity because they do the hard work and actually develop a browser, while for Brave everything that matters is leeched from Google’s Chromium.
Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 15:56
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Mozilla isn’t some paragon of free open source non-profit charity like everyone is claiming, they need to make a profit just like everyone else to keep themselves up there as a competitor to Google. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
Currently use Firefox and Brave for different applications but I am considering switching to Vivaldi, I definitely want to do more research on all of them though.
sir_reginald@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 21:10
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I’m no fan of either Mozilla, Brave or Vivaldi.
Each of them is trying to make a cut with the browser.
I’d advise against Vivaldi because they have telemetry and it’s proprietary.
What I suggest instead are free software, community managed projects that have no monetary interests in distributing the browsers: Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium. Unlike Brave, Vivaldi or even Mozilla, these devs don’t have incentives to put anti features into their browsers.
Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world
on 21 Oct 2023 20:40
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Currently migrating over to Librewolf, I really liked what it has to offer. Thank you for the suggestion!
Fades@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 05:54
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Damn the negative stories just keep coming in regards to Brave. It’s a shame, I liked using their iOS app but I said fuck it awhile ago already. Firefox is my main b ^rowser^
LukeMedia@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 15:28
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I’m still not sure what to use on my iPad for adblocking. Someone please tell me what to use instead on iPad! Everything else is Firefox + uBlock Origin, of course.
sir_reginald@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 21:02
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Apple makes it quite difficult. Honestly, I don’t think there’s a good option. Maybe try DNS based adblocking, by either setting your DNS to one that blocks ads or by setting up a Pihole, which gives you more control.
LukeMedia@lemmy.world
on 21 Oct 2023 00:50
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They do indeed. I’d use my iPad for media much more often if this weren’t the case
paranoia@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Oct 2023 21:15
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I use Wipr with no complaints so far. If you need free, AdGuard is popular and has a free mode that seems to cover the basics.
LukeMedia@lemmy.world
on 21 Oct 2023 00:51
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Thanks for the rec
Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 06:52
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I love it when I talked shit about this browser and get acused of wearing a tin foil hat.
I love Vivaldi, but there’s just something about it’s UI that bothers me. I can’t quite put my finger on it - it just feels slightly off.
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Oct 2023 12:06
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Yeah, I followed their dev over when they left. Opera seems to be a mess these days. I used Opera for over a decade.
dangblingus@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 13:11
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There’s no built in crypto anything except for the odd ad on the homepage to buy crypto. Which, sure, is kinda lame, but they don’t mine crypto in the background or anything like that.
Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 15:52
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It has an easy to find option to turn off everything related to Crypto
gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de
on 20 Oct 2023 13:48
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it has a built in wallet. Nobody said it was mining anything.
tabular@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 12:51
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rurutheguru@lemmings.world
on 22 Oct 2023 07:50
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Thank you. You had the opportunity to explain why you use it and why you recommended it, and yet you had me google it myself like I could have done from the start. Now I know it’s a browser (like your comment implied) based on Firefox with additional privacy features. But I still don’t know why you recommended it. Oh well.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
on 19 Oct 2023 13:10
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Checkmate, Brave shills.
ours@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 13:13
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Like built-in crypto shenanigans weren’t enough.
IdealShrew@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 21:10
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tbf the BAT thing is cool
elscallr@lemmy.world
on 21 Oct 2023 00:08
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I used to be a Brave user. I loved it. It worked well, it blocked ads without me asking, whatever. Then Google said they’re gonna bake ad blocker blocking into the API and, knowing Brave was Chromium based, I went back to Mozilla after like 100 years.
Two observations:
I was kinda deluded
Mozilla got their shit together, Firefox is as awesome again, by comparison, as it was when they unseated Internet Explorer.
notannpc@lemmy.world
on 19 Oct 2023 20:49
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The only chrome variant that doesn’t seem sketchy to install is chromium. The built from open source chromium. And that’s just because some sites barely function unless you’re using chrome’s rendering.
For everything else, Firefox.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca
on 20 Oct 2023 02:38
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What about Thorium? Thoughts?
notannpc@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 06:11
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I haven’t heard of it before today! Definitely going to check it out.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Oct 2023 03:27
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Would qtwebengine count, or is it a bit of a stretch?
notannpc@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 06:20
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I don’t know that I’d call that a chromium browser but I’ve only looked at its docs for 10 minutes. Hard to say where chromium integration begins and ends there without digging into the code. Seems like, at most, it’s using the web rendering engine from the chromium project. But it also seems to suggest it has its own modules for executing/rendering js/css/html.
Probably not included in the “should be avoided” category.
Now I’m curious what it’s used for.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Oct 2023 06:41
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I’m currently using it in a browser called Falkon. It’s not as big as Firefox or Chrome, but it is endorsed by KDE. Also, Apple’s Safari is using something similar.
sir_reginald@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 20:55
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Not at all.
Safari is using WebKit, which they based on KDE’s old KHTML engine, which is now discontinued.
Falkon uses qtwebengine which is Chromium’s web engine + integration with QT user interface.
A Linux browser that uses WebKit (like Safari) is GNOME Web.
ZeroCool@feddit.ch
on 19 Oct 2023 21:25
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Update: Brave plans to address the issue in a future release. The VPN service will only be installed after a user purchases the VPN.
“Oh gee whiz did we do that?! Woopsie doodle! We’ll fix it someday!”
Furthermore, no data is sent to Brave from the VPN services. End
This might be true but the bigger problem is I have exactly zero reason to believe anything Brave says about the things they’re installing on people’s machines without consent. If you’re still using Brave at this point you’re a fool.
They’ll either evil or incompetent. Neither of which I want on my computer
IdealShrew@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 21:09
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when did people start hating on Brave? last I heard it was the best browser for privacy.
uranibaba@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 21:33
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I never used Brave, but I believe it was sometime after they started their ad-currency-whatever-thingy (I could of course be wrong).
elscallr@lemmy.world
on 21 Oct 2023 00:05
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They’re Chromium based, which erodes any possible claim they could make to privacy.
Use Firefox instead. You can lock it down further than you can Brave and they don’t rely on Google.
shortly2139@lemmy.world
on 21 Oct 2023 15:13
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Doesn’t Mozilla rely on Google for funding? Genuine question, as I though i read this else where on Lemmy
elscallr@lemmy.world
on 22 Oct 2023 06:29
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They might get some money from them but certainly not entirely. There’s an entire Mozilla Foundation.
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world
on 20 Oct 2023 22:00
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Stop using Brave, jfc. Please use Firefox, it’s not the best, but it’s better than this trash my goodness how many more scandals do people need to get rid of this crap?
Zacryon@feddit.de
on 20 Oct 2023 23:35
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Yeah the first time I tried Brave it the a bunch of ads for their services - and asking about providing info to their partners - at me constantly. I don’t understand why people use that PoS
sebinspace@lemmy.world
on 22 Oct 2023 03:04
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The amount of people I see shilling for Brave like it’s God’s gift to privacy is frankly kind of disturbing given how many issues they’ve had with privacy
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As a reminder, Brave was created by the guy who brought you JavaScript and was later fired from Mozilla for donating to hate groups. Brave also profits from multiple forms of fraud including NFTs and affiliate hijacking.
If folk want to have a chromium-based browser made by a company, take a look at Vivaldi instead
(which will keep the old plugin architecture, so adblockers work). It has a limited built-in blocker and extra features, but for now still runs uBlock.Vivaldi is what I use, and it’s absolutely the best Chromium browser I’ve ever tried.
That said, I’d switch to Firefox in a heartbeat if it could duplicate that sidebar. I use that thing all the time, and it’s the only thing keeping me on Chromium.
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Try it out. It’s a sidebar that allows you to put all kinds of websites and tools in small pop-out windows.
A less visually appealing, but much more powerful version of the opera chat sidebar.
I’ve tried to get something similar in Firefox, but nothing comes even close.
Built-in functions >>> addons any day of the week.
(cfr mouse gestures)
…whut? (I haven’t had opera since the buyout)
Before the buyout, I think you could use it as an AIM/ICQ client.
Yeah, no. I should have put some hyphen I guess.
Opera chat-tabs. Opera has a sidebar for chat clients (eg messenger, WhatsApp, telegram,…) built-in. It works really well and is prettier than the Vivaldi implementation. Still sticking with Vivaldi though
Cool! Thanks for explaining =)
i fucking love vivaldi’s mouse gestures.
whenever i use firefox i end up constantly opening the inspector view like an absolute moron
It’s a thin, persistent bar on the left side of the page with tools and shortcuts. By default, it’s where you find bookmarks, history, downloads and things like that, but you can also add custom websites to it as well. They pop out either over or alongside the main window (depending on whether the pin button is pressed), and they display the mobile webpage when available, to be more usable in such a small window. It’s how I use Discord and Mastodon.
floorp.app
Firefox fork with features like the sidebar, vertical tabs, and more. It’s a vivaldi-like gecko browser, give it a shot.
There’s something really funny about that sentence. I think it’s because it reminds me of “remember Akira? That’s from Japan.”
I just switched to floorp from firefox, it’s so nice to finally have another choice for a non-chromium browser with a reasonable number of plugins
Oh, man, that’s exactly what I’ve been wanting. Already switched!
it’s also absolutely proprietary, so no, thanks.
As A Vivaldi user since day one, I gave it up once I couldn’t take anymore of Googles/Chromium bull hockey. I’m just so done supporting a company like that. Firefox switch wasn’t easy, but after the first week I got used to it and I’m never going back to Chromium browser. Anyone can switch if you actually care enough.
I have Vivaldi on my android but I do not know how to get adblock working. Is it even possible?
Firefox mobile has Ublock Origin and works great. Even on YouTube.
Menu -> Settings -> Tracker and Ad Blocking -> Block Trackers and Ads
Thanks. I quickly tried it on YouTube and did get an ad. So I guess it doesn’t work on those. Bummer.
Edit. Tried it some more and did not get any more ads. It takes a little to get the video playing but other that 10/10. No ad experience. Awesome.
it has an adblocker but it doesn’t come even close to uBlock Origin. UBO is so many tiers above any other mobile browser built-in adblocker.
Will they? All I remember was them saying that their built-in adblock (which is very barebones) would still work after Manifest v3, nothing much else.
Seems you’re right! I’ll cross out that part. Sorry!
This is misleading. The BAT was a reasonable idea not really a scam.
It’s not just BAT; Brave also supports NFTs, which are even more unambiguously a scam.
The company is in bed with the cryptocurrency “industry” which cannot exist without constant fraud, ransomware, and other crimes.
Software installs services to make its features operate, including optional default off ones. More news at 10.
Either it does it at install time, or when you try to turn on the VPN after subscribing to it, it pops an UAC prompt to finish installing optional components. That’s standard practice, and it’s good for security because it means they can flag the browser itself as not capable of elevating privileges. They’re not going to put a gaping security hole in their software so that idiots don’t write articles about “installing things without your concent”. You already consented to installing Brave, you can’t be surprised Brave is installed.
As long as it deletes them when you uninstall, this is a complete non-issue.
I guess it depends on how much you trust a company (both now and in the future) to do something they shouldn't with this kind of setup, whether on purpose or though incompetence.
Personally, I don't software silently installing unrelated services to my machine just in case the company decides they want to have it running on my machine in the future.
It is an advertised feature though. It can and will use those services if you enable them.
Should it also not come with the binaries for the VPN feature at all? That has downsides: maybe you’re on a laptop trying to bypass a network block that also blocks the download of the VPN software but the VPN would work.
So if it’s to come with the binaries, why can’t it install the service too, that defaults to off and manual launch? On Linux that’d be a systemd unit, on Windows it’s probably an API call of some sort but they basically contain the same information: some metadata, an executable and the privileges to launch it as.
I’d never seen a Linux user complain about <1kb systemd unit file being installed that’s disabled by default and only started on demand when the feature is requested as part of a package they install. It just is and doesn’t hurt anyone. Don’t want it, don’t use it.
When I download software, I expect all its built-in features to be installed and usable even if I don’t use them, nor want them. It’s part of the package.
It’s kind of borderline because the VPN really could and should be a separate product entirely, I don’t want to launch a browser just to then on a VPN. But they made it a built-in feature that’s advertised as such, so it shouldn’t surprise anyone.
Especially given its proprietary software. If you’re that privacy and security conscious, why are you using proprietary software and not Firefox or Chromium or whatever the latest flavor of degoogled Chromium fork du jour is. The service is nothing compared to all the other crap they could be running in the browser completely hidden from you. That service is super transparent and upfront, if they wanted to hide it they could easily hide it. If you really don’t want it to run, you can even set it to disabled entirely, and Brave won’t even be able to start it.
If you’re that paranoid, you really should be running Linux or at least avoid as much closed source software as possible.
Yeah I mean there’s a lot wrong with brave but this is like getting mad at software for installing an autoupdate service
How many cryptos did they pay you to write that? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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If you need a Chromium browser use Ungoogled-Chromium, Windows version.
Very few people do. Better to just get Firefox.
Or some variant of it as Firefox also has its owned bundled stuff; I recommend Waterfox
Librewolf’s a good one too
On android I prefer cromite. Dont know how it compares with ungoogled chromium on windows though. Firefox is the superior choice on desktop
the brave experience was less than ideal for me, the brave search is unusable, i switched back to firefox, which i had moved to from chrome
also, related, but a side note, word to the wise, never ever ever use a free vpn ever, someones gotta foot the bill for the exit server bandwidth, and either they're keeping logs or they're not keeping logs, but you'll never know, and you won't know when they sell their settup to the next guy. always use a major vpn service who's audited and shown proof they're not keeping logs, they're in the business of secure and private vpn service. free vpns like what brave are offering are not in that business, and server, rack space, bandwidth costs actual money
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Just a reminder, one of the largest investors in Brave is a right-wing billionaire who runs a corporate espionage agency that contracts with the US Department of Defense to spy on people.
Wow, I actually had no idea. I haven’t used Brave in awhile now but they’ve been making some strange decisions lately. This makes the picture a little clearer
Source of the info?
Well, it’s about Peter Thiel, who also founded the Palantir surveillance technology company. As a source for his involvement with Brave, Wikipedia cites this TechCrunch article, which mentions funding from Thiel’s “Founders Fund”.
I’d rather criticize Brave for other reasons though, like being led by Brendan Eich or supporting crypto.
That’s the best reason, but somebody already mentioned it and I didn’t want to be redundant.
is it cool to hate crypto now? I thought the sort of people who use Lemmy would be all for the idea
Crypto is a scammers paradise.
Just a reminder, Brave was using people’s likenesses to solicit donations without their consent, and without necessarily give those people the donations.
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If you want to poke around, look up “Tom Scott and Brave”.
altcoinbuzz.io/…/famous-youtuber-tom-scott-frustr…
The usual anti-Brave hate wagon, with FUD and pitchforks. They’re already working on it:
github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/33726
VPN is a paid service, it doesn’t connect to anywhere if one doesn’t pay. This is just a service installed just in case. And complaining about this while using Windows , the OS with unavoidable telemetry, spyware and ads is just laughable.
Mozilla did far worse “mistakes” over the time (Pocket , Cliqz, Mr. Robot, deal with the worst privacy offenders on the Earth such as Google Facebook, Amazon, CEO pay rise while firing devs and losing market share, while begging for donations… and so on) but they somehow always get a free pass, with people swallowing Mozilla’s corpo PR every single time.
Lol look at your downvotes. You don’t even know why we’re all against brave.
Only stupid people care about downvotes. And who are these “all”? A lot of people use Brave happily every day, while a lot of people deservedly leaves Firefox everyday because they realize the scam Mozilla is:
data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
Please elaborate on why it’s a scam
Lol…
What exactly do you think this link proves? Be specific.
I think you meant Brave is a scam here.
I mean, it’s not like Mozilla runs their own crypto wallet with the browsers keeping a mayor cut for themselves only because they are distributing the browser.
Mozilla does not run a crypto based ad network and inserts it into webpages.
Mozilla has never been caught inserting their own affiliated links into crypto related websites to receive a cut.
So you probably misplaced Mozilla with Brave there.
Sure, Mozilla is not perfect and they deserve criticism when they do things wrong (and they tend to). But Brave is just a chromium skin + a crypto based scam built-in.
Wow…a “FUD” user in the wild.
Wow, a Mozilla shill in the wild.
Says the dude very obviously shilling for Brave. You’ve solidified my decision to uninstall it.
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Mozilla have some immunity because they do the hard work and actually develop a browser, while for Brave everything that matters is leeched from Google’s Chromium.
Mozilla isn’t some paragon of free open source non-profit charity like everyone is claiming, they need to make a profit just like everyone else to keep themselves up there as a competitor to Google. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
Currently use Firefox and Brave for different applications but I am considering switching to Vivaldi, I definitely want to do more research on all of them though.
I’m no fan of either Mozilla, Brave or Vivaldi.
Each of them is trying to make a cut with the browser.
I’d advise against Vivaldi because they have telemetry and it’s proprietary.
What I suggest instead are free software, community managed projects that have no monetary interests in distributing the browsers: Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium. Unlike Brave, Vivaldi or even Mozilla, these devs don’t have incentives to put anti features into their browsers.
Currently migrating over to Librewolf, I really liked what it has to offer. Thank you for the suggestion!
Damn the negative stories just keep coming in regards to Brave. It’s a shame, I liked using their iOS app but I said fuck it awhile ago already. Firefox is my main b ^rowser^
I’m still not sure what to use on my iPad for adblocking. Someone please tell me what to use instead on iPad! Everything else is Firefox + uBlock Origin, of course.
Apple makes it quite difficult. Honestly, I don’t think there’s a good option. Maybe try DNS based adblocking, by either setting your DNS to one that blocks ads or by setting up a Pihole, which gives you more control.
They do indeed. I’d use my iPad for media much more often if this weren’t the case
I use Wipr with no complaints so far. If you need free, AdGuard is popular and has a free mode that seems to cover the basics.
Thanks for the rec
I love it when I talked shit about this browser and get acused of wearing a tin foil hat.
Vivaldi is a better brave. You get built in ad blocking and tracking prevention along with not having built in crypto
And mouse gestures! Configurable tab stacking! Workspaces! Notes and pinned tabs! Tab tiling! Web apps in the sidebar! I love Vivaldi.
Remember when Opera had all of these things a literal decade+ ago? I remember.
Vivaldi is lead by an ex-Opera engineer.
I love Vivaldi, but there’s just something about it’s UI that bothers me. I can’t quite put my finger on it - it just feels slightly off.
Yeah, I followed their dev over when they left. Opera seems to be a mess these days. I used Opera for over a decade.
There’s no built in crypto anything except for the odd ad on the homepage to buy crypto. Which, sure, is kinda lame, but they don’t mine crypto in the background or anything like that.
It has an easy to find option to turn off everything related to Crypto
it has a built in wallet. Nobody said it was mining anything.
Librewolf
Uh I’ll stick to Firefox thanks.
Even better, librewolf.
What on earth is that? And in what sense is it better than Firefox?
letmegooglethat.com/?q=librewolf
Thank you. You had the opportunity to explain why you use it and why you recommended it, and yet you had me google it myself like I could have done from the start. Now I know it’s a browser (like your comment implied) based on Firefox with additional privacy features. But I still don’t know why you recommended it. Oh well.
Checkmate, Brave shills.
Like built-in crypto shenanigans weren’t enough.
tbf the BAT thing is cool
I used to be a Brave user. I loved it. It worked well, it blocked ads without me asking, whatever. Then Google said they’re gonna bake ad blocker blocking into the API and, knowing Brave was Chromium based, I went back to Mozilla after like 100 years.
Two observations:
I was kinda deluded
Mozilla got their shit together, Firefox is as awesome again, by comparison, as it was when they unseated Internet Explorer.
The only chrome variant that doesn’t seem sketchy to install is chromium. The built from open source chromium. And that’s just because some sites barely function unless you’re using chrome’s rendering.
For everything else, Firefox.
What about Thorium? Thoughts?
I haven’t heard of it before today! Definitely going to check it out.
Would qtwebengine count, or is it a bit of a stretch?
I don’t know that I’d call that a chromium browser but I’ve only looked at its docs for 10 minutes. Hard to say where chromium integration begins and ends there without digging into the code. Seems like, at most, it’s using the web rendering engine from the chromium project. But it also seems to suggest it has its own modules for executing/rendering js/css/html.
Probably not included in the “should be avoided” category.
Now I’m curious what it’s used for.
I’m currently using it in a browser called Falkon. It’s not as big as Firefox or Chrome, but it is endorsed by KDE. Also, Apple’s Safari is using something similar.
Not at all.
Safari is using WebKit, which they based on KDE’s old KHTML engine, which is now discontinued.
Falkon uses qtwebengine which is Chromium’s web engine + integration with QT user interface.
A Linux browser that uses WebKit (like Safari) is GNOME Web.
“Oh gee whiz did we do that?! Woopsie doodle! We’ll fix it someday!”
This might be true but the bigger problem is I have exactly zero reason to believe anything Brave says about the things they’re installing on people’s machines without consent. If you’re still using Brave at this point you’re a fool.
They’ll either evil or incompetent. Neither of which I want on my computer
when did people start hating on Brave? last I heard it was the best browser for privacy.
I never used Brave, but I believe it was sometime after they started their ad-currency-whatever-thingy (I could of course be wrong).
They’re Chromium based, which erodes any possible claim they could make to privacy.
Use Firefox instead. You can lock it down further than you can Brave and they don’t rely on Google.
Doesn’t Mozilla rely on Google for funding? Genuine question, as I though i read this else where on Lemmy
They might get some money from them but certainly not entirely. There’s an entire Mozilla Foundation.
Stop using Brave, jfc. Please use Firefox, it’s not the best, but it’s better than this trash my goodness how many more scandals do people need to get rid of this crap?
Firefox is the best.
Yeah the first time I tried Brave it the a bunch of ads for their services - and asking about providing info to their partners - at me constantly. I don’t understand why people use that PoS
The amount of people I see shilling for Brave like it’s God’s gift to privacy is frankly kind of disturbing given how many issues they’ve had with privacy