Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 (lapcatsoftware.com)
from sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org to apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 10:26
https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/27150088

Via Hacker News. Thread here: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42533685

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narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee on 29 Dec 2024 11:25 next collapse

This feature makes use of homomorphic encryption, so apparently the photo itself can’t be “seen” by Apple’s servers.

It’s still very confusing wording as in the Settings app it states “Allow this device to privately match places in your photos with a global index maintained by Apple”, which to me implies that the device either downloads the whole index and then looks up places on-device or at least queries it online without sending any photo data, but it seems to send some encrypted and/or hashed variant of the photo(s) instead.

It seems to be done in a privacy-respecting manner, but being on by default and primarily the poor wording in the Settings app is not good.

I do think the article is a bit over-dramatic though when the author starts mentioning “that Apple computers are constantly full of privacy and security vulnerabilities”, which - while not entirely wrong - is true for basically every (complex) system.

~EDIT: fix two typos~

Ste41th@lemmy.ml on 29 Dec 2024 15:11 next collapse

Interesting thank you, and thank you for linking the wiki page

mbirth@lemmy.ml on 15 Jan 2025 16:21 collapse

Here’s a post that popped up on Mastodon earlier today:

social.coop/@eb/113804992987558055

Conclusion from the linked blog post:

But, what information is really leaving your device? There is no trust me bro element. Barring some issue being found in the math or Apple’s implementation of it, for the first time the cloud is able to act as a sort of extension to your device and your data, which is an immensely exciting proposition. Apple has managed categorise photos without knowing anything about what they contain. How cool is that.

autonomoususer@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 13:30 next collapse

No suprise.

iOS and macOS, anti-libre software, fails to include a libre software license text file, like GPL. We do not control it.

finley@lemm.ee on 29 Dec 2024 15:03 collapse

lol

autonomoususer@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 15:39 collapse

They really think they can scam us that easy. lmao

finley@lemm.ee on 29 Dec 2024 16:17 next collapse

Who scammed you?

<img alt="" src="https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/dd6dc122-9897-4a99-81c0-ff160793959b.jpeg">

autonomoususer@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 18:28 collapse

Apple really think Apple could scam us that easy. lmao

finley@lemm.ee on 29 Dec 2024 18:38 collapse

How did they scam you?

autonomoususer@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 18:43 collapse

Try reading the comment. Blocked.

finley@lemm.ee on 30 Dec 2024 01:45 collapse

Yeah, that’s a whole lot of complaining without any explanation.

How are you scammed?

Ugurcan@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 18:30 collapse

Android is “libre” everywhere yet Google violates every fucking privacy concern for 99% of Android users. Google is an ad company, not a tech company, sharing what you scream during sex with every ads company imaginable, selling your identifiable data with anyone with a thousand bucks.

Apple, on the other hand, is a hardware selling company.

autonomoususer@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 18:32 collapse

If it’s so libre, fork it. iOS bans that. We don’t control it.

Ugurcan@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 21:39 collapse

You don’t control Android either. You only have delusion of control over Android. And Google is willing to spend every dime to keep you disillusioned about what “free” Android really is.

It’s a mass data harvester for ads companies, and the world’s most widespread and lucratious billboard, owned by Google, for the end user concerned.

autonomoususer@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 22:03 collapse

Anti-libre software never fixes this.

that_leaflet@lemmy.world on 29 Dec 2024 21:19 collapse

What I want is very simple: I want software that doesn’t send anything to the Internet without some explicit intent first. All of that work to try to make this feature plausibly private is cool engineering work, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with implementing a feature like this, but it should absolutely be opt-in.

Top comment of HN sums me up best.

Another HN comment warns about other breach of privacy option. By default, Apple collects your searches in Safari, Siri, and Spotlight. You can disable it in Settings>Search>Help Apple Improve Search.