Well, the pricing kind of didn’t change. The pricing on all the smaller devices, the watches, AirPods, etc didn’t change at all. And the pricing on the phones didn’t change as much as the cheapest storage tier went away, and the second cheapest storage option is the same price as before. In a world of inflation and tariffs, I’d consider that a win.
And yes, I agree it came at the cost of Cooks dignity. I’m not certain how I feel about it, but I’m pretty sure I hate it.
I’m not certain how I feel about it, but I’m pretty sure I hate it.
As an Apple hardware user, I am very disappointed.
From my investor perspective, I’m ambivalent. I understand the weight of the fiduciary responsibility and I will still continue to vote for Cooks removable mainly for other reasons. One of those reasons is how these presentations have shifted to being a long commercial rather than a truly live event. Tim doesn’t get it. He only understands supply chains. He is mediocre at best with everything else, terrible for many things.
I don’t work for Apple but their choice to force engineers to come into the office is one of those terrible decisions. They were literally more flexibility prior to covid. Engineers do not collaborate in person, especially when forced.
Hiss…we hates it, we does! Filthy nasty people. We hates it very much. Gollum, gollum.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Sep 20:37
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I will bet this new model does amazing things that have never been seen before! This is going to be super super cool and i am going to wait in a very long line to get one. It will totally be worth it when I can show it off and people will be able to recognize it since it will be very different from all the other models.
wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Sep 20:51
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Don’t forget to throw away your old model! Smash it on the ground and grind it to pieces with your heel so you can truly experience the exclusivity of a brand new Apple iPhone!
To change the goalposts yeah? I make a flippant comment about one approach to data harvesting being more exhaustive than another and you eventually say “yeah but not degoogled Android”? Nobody was talking about that. As I say, each to their own, I’m sure degoogled Android is great for the comparatively few that use it, but the initial post I replied to just specified Android. Of the two companies - Google and Apple - I know which one I’m more likely to trust with my data.
NotForYourStereo@lemmy.world
on 10 Sep 16:20
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Google harvesting data = bad
Apple harvesting data = bad
Degoogled not harvesting = good
A degoogled Android is therefore the superior product by an elementary process of elimination. The vast majority Android features are not exclusive to the Google portion of the ecosystem, so that is not the qualifier.
Of the two companies - Google and Apple - I know which one I’m more likely to trust with my data.
You’re going with the company that gave a Nazi a golden statue?
Alrighty then, stay losing and simping for overpriced trash I guess.
As well as the degoogled Android goalpost, I know.
It’s all choice at the end of the day, isn’t it. I choose Apple for a variety of reasons, and they’ve championed privacy regularly in recent years. Whether we choose to believe the claims, well that’s up to the consumer isn’t it. One thing’s for sure, Google definitely don’t make the same claims.
yes, mentioning any choice that isn’t custom (like degoogled or linux phones) for any sort of privacy is misinformation, whether you believe in it or not.
and yes, google is making privacy claims. shit, even meta claims their apps are private, esp whatsapp.
Have I said anything that’s untrue? Or am I just obliged to agree with you? You dismissed Clent’s comment because “Apple’s claims are irrelevant”, so even if they were doing exactly what they say, you wouldn’t accept it. There’s literally no point to this conversation beyond drawing out a disagreement where neither person can categorically be proven correct.
you claimed there is a lesser of two evils between stock apple and google phones, and implied throughout the conversation that apple is the better one. both claims are untrue.
the other commenter you allude to claimed iphones are not closed source, which is really untrue.
both systems are opaque. we have no reliable way of knowing beyond the encrypted data we see coming out of them, and both do it very similarly. hence both are the same, as far as an objective observer can tell.
which is why your claim that its better is untrue. it’s about your beliefs, because you can’t really point to anything significant that apple does better for privacy, else you would have mentioned it.
Yes you did, you said both systems are opaque so I can't have "facts" for you.
So equally, you don't have any to back up your claims either. In fact you went so far as to dismiss a comment by another user where you stated that you're ignoring Apple's claims because they can't prove it because their code is closed. So what's the point?
If the facts someone presents to you can be dismissed by you because you refuse to believe it, then me echoing them won't make any difference will it?
And yet you can happily claim the opposite and say what I'm saying is untrue, with equally as few facts.
You want me to prove my claim that Apple harvests less data, but you haven't got any proof of your claim that they collect the same as Google. All while saying that because the system is opaque that it can't be proved.
You’re ignoring all of the measures Apple implementatedin the 10 years since those Snowden leaks.
You’re also making a baseless claims that Apple knowingly participated with the NSA, which Apple denies indicating it was an inside threat actor working directly with the NSA without Apple’s knowledge.
Some data is stored in other providers clouds, Amazon and Google specifically and those clouds are the sources that were compromised. Apple has added end to end encryption to mitigate that.
For their own cloud services, the measures Apple goes to secure their servers is not trivial. They have employed strict chain of custody and it’s why they call out services that do their off device processes using Apple hardware.
Apple is working to build out their own cloud but anyone with basic knowledge understands that the hardware they manufacture isn’t the type used by cloud providers.
The changes in how containers work on Mac OS is because of their own internal work on using their own hardware for containers that are being used to expand their internal cloud because even Apple with their billion dollar contracts with built in penalities doesn’t trust Google.
Knowing what I know, I put Google dead last when it comes to my data. Microsoft and Amazon are several magnitudes more trustworthy and I don’t trust them either because they openly work with government agencies.
But sure, keep using Android because Apple isn’t perfect. Google appreciates you’re choosing to feed their algorithms directly.
as if apple isn’t doing most of the same. i’m ignoring it because their claims are irrelevant. they can’t prove anything either way because their code is closed and their devices are locked tight.
even if they truly cared beyond what they say in their marketing material, they also can’t say no to US three letter agencies, as also leaked by snowden.
their… code isn’t closed? please link me to their repository, so i can check ios for backdoors. i’ll wait.
also please notice i’m not discussing the merits of their choice to close it down here. i’m discussing their inability to show us they are truthful about their products being private.
bathes one in false comfort
what makes you think i’m comfortable with being spied on and manipulated by these vultures?
before attacking others personally, ask yourself who really wants false comfort. “oh, but apple doesn’t do it!” yeah right.
Some of the code is literally open sourced and available in public repositories. The rest requires one be a security researcher.
The comfort is in choosing android because they are both the same. This is a decision based on emotion rather than logic.
I’m going to hastily dissect the situation and how I’ve come to this conclusion. Mostly for my own sake. I do not expect you to accept any of what I am going to say.
The comfort I am describing is starts by first observing the location of this discussion, an Apple enthusiast group.
Further observation indicates a persistent attack posture towards the ideals of the group.
This being an enthusatist geoup, it’s unlikely you’ll convince anyone here. You also aren’t suggesting an alternative.
When your assertions are challenged you shift and twist rather than addresssing the challenges indicating you are not not interested in understanding or engaging with the group in fruitful discussion.
At this point it is safe to assume your chosen platform is Android.
Android exfiltrates data, you and are I not arguing otherwise.
Your claim is you want to control your data but your chosen platform does not reflect this. This indicates your decision is not based on logic.
Because you are not engaging with this group to expand your understanding of why others choose Apple not to offer alternatives but instead to question other’s decisions. From this one can presume this is for personal validation.
A person does not need to internally validate their logical decisions. The logic is self validating.
People do need to validate their emotional decisions. All indication is that this is why you are in this thread; emotional validation.
You seek comfort in your choice to be in your own words, “spied on and manipulated.” in the face of alternatives.
At no point was this discussion about anything more than your desire for emotional validation. This group’s very existence invalidated your emotions and comelled a response.
I thank you for helping with deepening thoughts I’ve been developing I bid you a good day.
I literally don’t care for the “android had x features n years ago, therefore android is better” argument
It’s not just about features. It’s literally the ENTIRE experience that’s better.
iOS is significantly more user friendly than android. It just FEELS better.
I personally find android to be clunky and jagged. I’m a developer I do software and I’ve developed for both android and iOS. Android is nicer with app deployment and side loading (though that is changing). iPhone is more restrictive. But for me in terms of every day use. I’m choosing the iPhone.
Hate to overuse the word "ecosystem" but that's the silver bullet for me. I used to be an Android user, but bought the kids iPads years ago. I bought one for myself during lockdown when I decided I'd like to learn to draw digitally, then over the years bought an iPhone, then AirPods, then an Apple Watch, iPhones for the kids, an Apple TV, subscribed to Apple One etc.
It's expensive, sure, but everything is just so seamlessly and flawlessly integrated. One device on its own could arguably be better or worse than a competitor's, but all together it's not even a contest.
NotForYourStereo@lemmy.world
on 10 Sep 16:21
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I get why they’re getting downvoted for the way and place they asked the question, but isn’t it kind of valid? All phones coming out these days are minor, incremental upgrades that are pretty much last year’s phone with 5% extra performance. I actually peeked at this because my old OnePlus is starting to show signs it’s ready for retirement and I’m thinking of (gasp) having an apple device of some sort due to some apps I could use for work only being available on iOS, but otherwise I don’t think most people are excited for new phone releases anymore.
Both the camera and battery life are significant improvements. I’m excited.
For the watch, sleep apnea and high blood pressure sensors are a huge improvement for many of us. I’ll take all the health sensors I can get but those have my name on them (my watch is series 6 so I’d also pick up a few more sensors including crash detection)
@AA5B@Obi I kinda agree, but man, what a blooper it is that the latest Apple Ultra watch still is not being charged with solar power. Garmin has this up and running for a decade now.
Wait wait wait. They finally went full width with that goddamn camera bump, a move that could radically improve the physical user experience by finally allowing this thing to rest evenly on a flat surface. Then, they put another set of camera bumps on the camera bump to ensure that it never does this. Honestly, this is like an elaborate, slow rolling practical joke at this point.
The lenses already protruded like this. They use more real estate inside the device now, though, and it rolls less than before. An improvement is there :)
I upgraded to a 16 Pro Max from an XS Max last year, and this announcement is really ensuring that I made the correct decision. It looks like a fine phone, but the cameras and battery life and speed of the 16 pro max are already insane.
I’m waiting for a watch announcement though, I’d love to finally upgrade my Series 0 that I’ve had forEVER to whatever last year’s model is for cheap.
Somehow they managed to make it heavier, 206g for the 17 Pro vs 199g for the 16 Pro. They’ve been hovering at around 200g for a while though, so as ugly as that phone is, it probably isn’t noticeably heavier than like a 13 Pro
Etnaphele@lemmy.world
on 10 Sep 06:19
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Titanium was always a bad choice for thermals. Now they have the Air as the princess phone and the Pros look designed to perform not to look, seems like.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Sep 16:04
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Aluminum was the better material for this use case. All that’s changed is Apple is finally admitting it.
Etnaphele@lemmy.world
on 10 Sep 06:22
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Orange Pro instant buy. Those cameras are really promising, battery life looks to be impressive and thermals well managed.
My iPhone XS can retire peacefully.
ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Sep 07:00
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I hated the previous Aluminum unibody designs and I hate the new one as well.
calisti@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Sep 09:37
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I don’t think it’s pretty, but it does have way more “personality” in its design than any iphone before. I prefer that over pretty
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Sep 18:21
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The iPhone X and XS are the ones I think looked the best
cholesterol@lemmy.world
on 10 Sep 16:03
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I would be more interested in a budget-camera option if it meant price reduction and no bump. If that were also the one not solely marketed in the hands of 22-year-old fashionistas, all the better.
We have the same complaint lol. I’d buy the base iPhone if it had the same processing power as the Pro, and that’s exactly what I did with the 12 generation.
Honestly I’d be interested in a phone with no notch & just the most basic camera for qr codes, but I think neither of us are part of big enough demographics to matter in this
The improved camera and battery life are both very welcome. As a parent, I’ll take all the camera improvements I can get!
Normally I wouldn’t upgrade yet but if I give my teen my 15Pro and pick up a new 17Pro, then migration to USB-C is complete. That also gives the entire family hardware that should support aApples upcoming ai features
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How much they charging for the Trump dick sucking model?
That’s every Apple product… Then again that’s nearly every large, American tech company…
it is kind of a gold colour
Ike it or not, and for the record I don’t, the price for that model is “the same as last year”.
Yep. Noticed pricing didn’t change across their line up. They definitely got what they wanted from him.
Just cost them their diginity, the price was several fractional magnitudes of what the tariffs would have cost them in revenue.
Well, the pricing kind of didn’t change. The pricing on all the smaller devices, the watches, AirPods, etc didn’t change at all. And the pricing on the phones didn’t change as much as the cheapest storage tier went away, and the second cheapest storage option is the same price as before. In a world of inflation and tariffs, I’d consider that a win.
And yes, I agree it came at the cost of Cooks dignity. I’m not certain how I feel about it, but I’m pretty sure I hate it.
Yes. Meant didn’t change.
As an Apple hardware user, I am very disappointed.
From my investor perspective, I’m ambivalent. I understand the weight of the fiduciary responsibility and I will still continue to vote for Cooks removable mainly for other reasons. One of those reasons is how these presentations have shifted to being a long commercial rather than a truly live event. Tim doesn’t get it. He only understands supply chains. He is mediocre at best with everything else, terrible for many things.
I don’t work for Apple but their choice to force engineers to come into the office is one of those terrible decisions. They were literally more flexibility prior to covid. Engineers do not collaborate in person, especially when forced.
Hiss…we hates it, we does! Filthy nasty people. We hates it very much. Gollum, gollum.
I will bet this new model does amazing things that have never been seen before! This is going to be super super cool and i am going to wait in a very long line to get one. It will totally be worth it when I can show it off and people will be able to recognize it since it will be very different from all the other models.
Don’t forget to throw away your old model! Smash it on the ground and grind it to pieces with your heel so you can truly experience the exclusivity of a brand new Apple iPhone!
I’d recommend trading it in instead. You’ll get more private sale, but Apple still has a pretty competitive trade in model.
* as long as the returned item is in pristine condition
Do people still care about iphones?
Yes
What does that tell you about Gen Z?
that they like the iphone
it’s not hard to read words (for most of us)
Sure, sure. My bad, it’s only in the US.
I mean they are the superior product
Big fucking lol.
Can’t believe people are still this fucking delusional.
Which Android feature from 5 years ago are you most excited for them to add to this release?
Exhaustive data harvesting
I was hoping for irremovable malware.
My money was on delayed OS releases because of vendors.
apple has been doing that one for quite a while.
Not nearly in Google's league
snowden leaked that they are on google’s league since the 2000’s
There is absolutely a lesser of two evils here
that’d be a degoogled android, yes.
Not one of the two, but each to their own.
literally one of the two, and a way to actually make it a lesser evil instead of “just like the other one”.
Degoogled android is not one of Apple and Google
android is Google. degoogled android is modified Google, as i said.
So in an apple enthusiast community, you're pitching degoogled android?
you asked. more accurately you said apple was better, and i told you what is actually better.
Asked what?
Nice edit. Nah, I didn't ask anything mate
i don’t speak english natively. yes, i usually edit my posts for clarity.
Probably for the best because “You literally asked” has a very specific meaning, which was entirely incorrect here.
hence why i edited it?
To change the goalposts yeah? I make a flippant comment about one approach to data harvesting being more exhaustive than another and you eventually say “yeah but not degoogled Android”? Nobody was talking about that. As I say, each to their own, I’m sure degoogled Android is great for the comparatively few that use it, but the initial post I replied to just specified Android. Of the two companies - Google and Apple - I know which one I’m more likely to trust with my data.
Google harvesting data = bad
Apple harvesting data = bad
Degoogled not harvesting = good
A degoogled Android is therefore the superior product by an elementary process of elimination. The vast majority Android features are not exclusive to the Google portion of the ecosystem, so that is not the qualifier.
You’re going with the company that gave a Nazi a golden statue?
Alrighty then, stay losing and simping for overpriced trash I guess.
Okay mate 😂
Not once have I questioned the viability of a degoogled android device.
This is literally an apple enthusiast community. I'm not sure what you're expecting, or are you just here to troll with the last statement?
This comment was reported but I didn’t remove it because I think it’s quite mild, but this line is unnecessary:
Please refrain from personal attacks.
I’m good thanks.
i’m still standing firmly on the goalpost that apple isn’t any more private than google.
As well as the degoogled Android goalpost, I know.
It’s all choice at the end of the day, isn’t it. I choose Apple for a variety of reasons, and they’ve championed privacy regularly in recent years. Whether we choose to believe the claims, well that’s up to the consumer isn’t it. One thing’s for sure, Google definitely don’t make the same claims.
yes, mentioning any choice that isn’t custom (like degoogled or linux phones) for any sort of privacy is misinformation, whether you believe in it or not.
and yes, google is making privacy claims. shit, even meta claims their apps are private, esp whatsapp.
“The same claims”
do their marketing have to be exactly the same as apple’s for my point to have validity?
No but it seems like being deliberately obtuse is necessary for your point to have validity.
is that why you are being this annoying?
Thought I’d match your vibe
then you should start saying things that are actually true? or not believing corporate propaganda at face value?
Have I said anything that’s untrue? Or am I just obliged to agree with you? You dismissed Clent’s comment because “Apple’s claims are irrelevant”, so even if they were doing exactly what they say, you wouldn’t accept it. There’s literally no point to this conversation beyond drawing out a disagreement where neither person can categorically be proven correct.
you claimed there is a lesser of two evils between stock apple and google phones, and implied throughout the conversation that apple is the better one. both claims are untrue.
the other commenter you allude to claimed iphones are not closed source, which is really untrue.
It's not untrue, it's that you believe it's untrue.
Unless of course you're able to prove that Apple and Google are currently the same with respect to the data they harvest.
both systems are opaque. we have no reliable way of knowing beyond the encrypted data we see coming out of them, and both do it very similarly. hence both are the same, as far as an objective observer can tell.
which is why your claim that its better is untrue. it’s about your beliefs, because you can’t really point to anything significant that apple does better for privacy, else you would have mentioned it.
It doesn't exist because I haven't mentioned it? 😂
I'm not here to do your research for you.
so, you don’t actually have any facts to defend your untruthful claims?
i mean of course you don’t. as i mentioned both systems are opaque.
😂 by the very nature of your own point regarding their opacity, you can't defend your claim that what I've said is untrue.
You can't say "we don't know, so you're wrong".
Well, maybe you can, but as I say, you have to be obtuse to do it.
no, i did not in fact say this, talk about being obtuse.
you don’t actually know of any fact at all to support your claims do you?
heading out, have a nice day. 😘
Yes you did, you said both systems are opaque so I can't have "facts" for you.
So equally, you don't have any to back up your claims either. In fact you went so far as to dismiss a comment by another user where you stated that you're ignoring Apple's claims because they can't prove it because their code is closed. So what's the point?
If the facts someone presents to you can be dismissed by you because you refuse to believe it, then me echoing them won't make any difference will it?
And yet you can happily claim the opposite and say what I'm saying is untrue, with equally as few facts.
You want me to prove my claim that Apple harvests less data, but you haven't got any proof of your claim that they collect the same as Google. All while saying that because the system is opaque that it can't be proved.
This entire conversation is absurd.
You’re ignoring all of the measures Apple implementatedin the 10 years since those Snowden leaks.
You’re also making a baseless claims that Apple knowingly participated with the NSA, which Apple denies indicating it was an inside threat actor working directly with the NSA without Apple’s knowledge.
Some data is stored in other providers clouds, Amazon and Google specifically and those clouds are the sources that were compromised. Apple has added end to end encryption to mitigate that.
For their own cloud services, the measures Apple goes to secure their servers is not trivial. They have employed strict chain of custody and it’s why they call out services that do their off device processes using Apple hardware.
Apple is working to build out their own cloud but anyone with basic knowledge understands that the hardware they manufacture isn’t the type used by cloud providers.
The changes in how containers work on Mac OS is because of their own internal work on using their own hardware for containers that are being used to expand their internal cloud because even Apple with their billion dollar contracts with built in penalities doesn’t trust Google.
Knowing what I know, I put Google dead last when it comes to my data. Microsoft and Amazon are several magnitudes more trustworthy and I don’t trust them either because they openly work with government agencies.
But sure, keep using Android because Apple isn’t perfect. Google appreciates you’re choosing to feed their algorithms directly.
as if apple isn’t doing most of the same. i’m ignoring it because their claims are irrelevant. they can’t prove anything either way because their code is closed and their devices are locked tight.
even if they truly cared beyond what they say in their marketing material, they also can’t say no to US three letter agencies, as also leaked by snowden.
Their code isn’t closed.
Their devices are locked tight for security reasons. You can’t have it both ways on that one.
Your rebuttal is basically, nuh-on.
Threads like this remind me of the Asimov quote, that describes such rebuttals as, “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
Anti-intellectualism is believing how the world works rather than bothering with a always expanding working theory as to how the world truely works.
A lazy approach that bathes one in false comfort by confirming all their biases.
A world view that cumulates into an air of superiority that is paper thin.
their… code isn’t closed? please link me to their repository, so i can check ios for backdoors. i’ll wait.
also please notice i’m not discussing the merits of their choice to close it down here. i’m discussing their inability to show us they are truthful about their products being private.
what makes you think i’m comfortable with being spied on and manipulated by these vultures?
before attacking others personally, ask yourself who really wants false comfort. “oh, but apple doesn’t do it!” yeah right.
Some of the code is literally open sourced and available in public repositories. The rest requires one be a security researcher.
The comfort is in choosing android because they are both the same. This is a decision based on emotion rather than logic.
I’m going to hastily dissect the situation and how I’ve come to this conclusion. Mostly for my own sake. I do not expect you to accept any of what I am going to say.
The comfort I am describing is starts by first observing the location of this discussion, an Apple enthusiast group.
Further observation indicates a persistent attack posture towards the ideals of the group.
This being an enthusatist geoup, it’s unlikely you’ll convince anyone here. You also aren’t suggesting an alternative.
When your assertions are challenged you shift and twist rather than addresssing the challenges indicating you are not not interested in understanding or engaging with the group in fruitful discussion.
At this point it is safe to assume your chosen platform is Android.
Android exfiltrates data, you and are I not arguing otherwise.
Your claim is you want to control your data but your chosen platform does not reflect this. This indicates your decision is not based on logic.
Because you are not engaging with this group to expand your understanding of why others choose Apple not to offer alternatives but instead to question other’s decisions. From this one can presume this is for personal validation.
A person does not need to internally validate their logical decisions. The logic is self validating.
People do need to validate their emotional decisions. All indication is that this is why you are in this thread; emotional validation.
You seek comfort in your choice to be in your own words, “spied on and manipulated.” in the face of alternatives.
At no point was this discussion about anything more than your desire for emotional validation. This group’s very existence invalidated your emotions and comelled a response.
I thank you for helping with deepening thoughts I’ve been developing I bid you a good day.
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i asked for a way to find such repositories and see the fabled open source ios for myself.
not a wall of text berating me for daring to criticize the apparent god of phones.
I literally don’t care for the “android had x features n years ago, therefore android is better” argument
It’s not just about features. It’s literally the ENTIRE experience that’s better.
iOS is significantly more user friendly than android. It just FEELS better.
I personally find android to be clunky and jagged. I’m a developer I do software and I’ve developed for both android and iOS. Android is nicer with app deployment and side loading (though that is changing). iPhone is more restrictive. But for me in terms of every day use. I’m choosing the iPhone.
Hate to overuse the word "ecosystem" but that's the silver bullet for me. I used to be an Android user, but bought the kids iPads years ago. I bought one for myself during lockdown when I decided I'd like to learn to draw digitally, then over the years bought an iPhone, then AirPods, then an Apple Watch, iPhones for the kids, an Apple TV, subscribed to Apple One etc.
It's expensive, sure, but everything is just so seamlessly and flawlessly integrated. One device on its own could arguably be better or worse than a competitor's, but all together it's not even a contest.
Like I said…
Delusional.
Get wriggidy WREKT’D Son!
Thanks for your insightful and detailed logic driven response
Once unofficial android sideloading gets blocked, yeah.
You ask, in a community called “apple enthusiast” like a donkey
I get why they’re getting downvoted for the way and place they asked the question, but isn’t it kind of valid? All phones coming out these days are minor, incremental upgrades that are pretty much last year’s phone with 5% extra performance. I actually peeked at this because my old OnePlus is starting to show signs it’s ready for retirement and I’m thinking of (gasp) having an apple device of some sort due to some apps I could use for work only being available on iOS, but otherwise I don’t think most people are excited for new phone releases anymore.
Both the camera and battery life are significant improvements. I’m excited.
For the watch, sleep apnea and high blood pressure sensors are a huge improvement for many of us. I’ll take all the health sensors I can get but those have my name on them (my watch is series 6 so I’d also pick up a few more sensors including crash detection)
@AA5B @Obi I kinda agree, but man, what a blooper it is that the latest Apple Ultra watch still is not being charged with solar power. Garmin has this up and running for a decade now.
Wait wait wait. They finally went full width with that goddamn camera bump, a move that could radically improve the physical user experience by finally allowing this thing to rest evenly on a flat surface. Then, they put another set of camera bumps on the camera bump to ensure that it never does this. Honestly, this is like an elaborate, slow rolling practical joke at this point.
A camera bump in a camera bump is definitely a choice.
Yo dawg….
The lenses already protruded like this. They use more real estate inside the device now, though, and it rolls less than before. An improvement is there :)
I upgraded to a 16 Pro Max from an XS Max last year, and this announcement is really ensuring that I made the correct decision. It looks like a fine phone, but the cameras and battery life and speed of the 16 pro max are already insane.
I’m waiting for a watch announcement though, I’d love to finally upgrade my Series 0 that I’ve had forEVER to whatever last year’s model is for cheap.
How’s the battery life holding up on that?
It’s lasts about as long as it does to read this sentence.
Eight hours! Almost ten years!
I’m a slow reader :-p
Twice as long as my series 0, if I took it out of the junk drawer
So they went back to aluminum eh? The cheaper an weaker material is going bring the cost down, right? Right?
The metal frame is a tiny fraction of the overall cost.
Aluminium is much lighter than titanium, so these phones will at least be lighter right?
I’m sorry to have to disappoint you. It keeps getting heavier (and larger).
Somehow they managed to make it heavier, 206g for the 17 Pro vs 199g for the 16 Pro. They’ve been hovering at around 200g for a while though, so as ugly as that phone is, it probably isn’t noticeably heavier than like a 13 Pro
More battery tho
Titanium was always a bad choice for thermals. Now they have the Air as the princess phone and the Pros look designed to perform not to look, seems like.
Aluminum was the better material for this use case. All that’s changed is Apple is finally admitting it.
Whole lot of nothing
Orange Pro instant buy. Those cameras are really promising, battery life looks to be impressive and thermals well managed. My iPhone XS can retire peacefully.
I hated the previous Aluminum unibody designs and I hate the new one as well.
Amazing construction site optics 🚧🏗️
Can’t they just remove the battery completely at this point and require it to be charged 100% of the time? It’s not like it would change much.
What? They increased the battery size by like nearly 20%
Oh my bad. I thought this was about the new iPhone Air.
I know the camera bumps have been getting bigger over time, but this is just too much. These are definitely the ugliest iPhones ever released.
Honestly i kinda like it, looks neat. Not that i’d ever buy one but looks neat.
I don’t think it’s pretty, but it does have way more “personality” in its design than any iphone before. I prefer that over pretty
The iPhone X and XS are the ones I think looked the best
I would be more interested in a budget-camera option if it meant price reduction and no bump. If that were also the one not solely marketed in the hands of 22-year-old fashionistas, all the better.
We have the same complaint lol. I’d buy the base iPhone if it had the same processing power as the Pro, and that’s exactly what I did with the 12 generation.
Honestly I’d be interested in a phone with no notch & just the most basic camera for qr codes, but I think neither of us are part of big enough demographics to matter in this
The improved camera and battery life are both very welcome. As a parent, I’ll take all the camera improvements I can get!
Normally I wouldn’t upgrade yet but if I give my teen my 15Pro and pick up a new 17Pro, then migration to USB-C is complete. That also gives the entire family hardware that should support aApples upcoming ai features