I was wondering why you were downvoted, until I saw the name of the sub.
Apple users are definitely in a cage, but apparently they won’t even acknowledge it.
I’m not saying the phones aren’t good otherwise, but using Apple is an obvious sacrifice of digital freedom.
over_clox@lemmy.world
on 09 Jun 21:58
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Just stating the truth, where the truth should be heard no less. The sheeple will never fully realize they’re sheeple if nobody says anything…
Hey, if I stated that on an Android community, I’m sure I’d get quite a few upvotes. But that’s not accomplishing anything now is it, that’s like talking into an echo chamber.
I don’t expect much of any upvotes for my comment, but it’s the truth. I can’t help it if Apple users don’t like hearing the truth. 🤷♂️
100% I was one of those hardcore Apple fanboys until I realised it’s turning into a cult. I stopped defending and criticising Apple and it’s policies a long time ago, even though I use iPhone and android.
It really depends on the user. I mainly use iPhone, but there are definitely some odd limitations here and there. I’m glad Android exists to provide some alternative.
simplejack@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 01:05
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Said another way, Apple sells more smart phone hardware than any other phone manufacturer on the planet. Samsung being a strong second place at 24% of the world.
countablenewt@allthingstech.social
on 10 Jun 01:51
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@simplejack@AProfessional no you have to stick to the “this one company doesn’t sell as much as all of the other companies combined” view of it
I’m not so sure this holds up as well as it once did. You can get some pretty cheap iPhones and Apple even sells some more value-oriented options , although not as cheap as some crappy Android phones. You can also buy Androids much more expensive than any iPhone.
But I hear what you’re saying. I believe you are saying that cheap often means more popular but that doesn’t mean good.
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 00:07
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Most Apple users want the “cage” for its near-mindless security and privacy. I used to troubleshoot and diagnose PCs all day. I got tired of managing my HTC Windows phone in 2008 and went to iPhone. It’s similar to running Windows Home for the smaller attack surface than Pro, or trading admin for user rights. I love not having to worry about the reliability, privacy, or security maintenance of my daily driver.
the privacy is illusory. apple collaborates with the nsa
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 03:58
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Do you have a source on what they provide the NSA? According to their privacy policy they don’t access customer data unless they receive a warrant requesting iCloud data, and they have no access to data on the phone itself or what is transmitted.
source code. you can link legal documents all you want to try and shift blame from apple, but fact is, privacy is still an illusion with them unless we can investigate their os for backdoors.
the snowden leaks are well estabilished fact by this point and no amount of “but its not their fault!” will change it regardless of if its true or not.
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 16:39
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The source code is proprietary. They’ll never release it. If Snowden has proof, then where is that?
Since both claims are unprovable, let’s look at the evidence and motive.
You believe that Apple would spend all of that money fighting the FBI in court, just so they could give the NSA a backdoor that is in direct violation of their privacy policy, potentially exposing them to a massive class action suit from users, and does not benefit them in any financially tangible way.
They didn’t do anything “with Apple”. The NSA added splitters to fiber optic lines to steal information. Apple never collaborated with the NSA, nor gave them information willingly.
There are alternate apps and services that don’t depend on Google. I’m responding from one such service right now.
I’ve also been using the same TextNow number since 2016. You know, VOIP WiFi phone service? I even debugged the TextNow app back in 2016, they’re actually damn glad to have me as a regular free user.
There are ways to both maintain privacy, and also use your device at the same time.
This is generally true, but no more than what you do with an iPhone to Apple. Except with the iPhone Apple decides how much, where on Android you can prevent giving data to Google to the degree you wish.
There is no doubt Android phones have more freedom than iPhone. It’s not even reasonably debatable.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jun 01:21
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on Android you can prevent giving data to Google to the degree you wish.
Assuming your phone allows it. Not every phone is rootable or has an unlocked bootloader.
Ya, but the community is literally called apple enthusiast. You don’t sound like an enthusiast if you hate the brand and don’t use it.
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
on 10 Jun 08:34
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You can be an enthusiast and still be able to criticise. Apple has changed a lot over the years, and not always for the better.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
on 10 Jun 09:14
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It is possible I think to enjoy a company’s products without defending everything the company does, especially not the things that benefit the company at the expense of the owners of said products
I got this on the front page, I don’t need to be an apple apologist to see the news. If you don’t want non fanboys, tell your admin to disallow it there
themeatbridge@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 15:19
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How appropriate that you’re bitching about people coming into your walled garden to criticize Apple.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jun 01:00
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So only Apple enthusiasts are allowed in here? Everyone else is forbidden from entering?
Nobody cares who you block. Go ahead and block me. I used to have plenty of apple stuff in the past and have none now because they charge a premium for something that they barely change with each “new” iphone that comes out.
The full-fat UTM app is on the Mac App Store. They just don’t like JITs on iOS for whatever reason (probably under “security” if I had to hazard a guess) so it’s not allowed there.
laughterlaughter@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 14:06
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I thought it was “it’s” as it’s a possessive apostrophe?
The policies are Apple’s, so it’s would be an appropriate substitution, no?
laughterlaughter@lemmy.world
on 12 Jun 07:18
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No, the possessive apostrophe doesn’t apply to possessive pronouns. Apostrophes in pronouns are for abbreviations (like “he is” becomes “he’s” and “it is” becomes “it’s”)
Not really… I have tried it before on an m1 iPad. It is not usable for any windows version. XP for example takes over 15 minutes just to boot. It takes multiple seconds for clicks to register, etc.
Linux, like Debian for example, will be much more usable, but still far from anything you would call a smooth experience.
Again, not having JIT really kills the performance here.
AProfessional@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 10:48
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because its not about jit per se, its about marking pages of memory as executable. doesn’t matter whether you compile it or load it from disk, you need to mark the memory as executable so the cpu will run it, and that isnt something “normal” ios apps are allowed to do.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 01:08
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Is it a third-party app store if Apple decides what it’s allowed to offer?
However, as it stands, UTM is not proceeding to contest the ruling. As apps distributed on iOS cannot use a JIT compiler (other than specially entitled alternative browser engines), the functionality and performance of the emulators running through UTM SE, the version submitted for review that had JIT disabled, was significantly impaired. UTM says getting UTM SE approved “isn’t worth fighting for”.
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Just another tactic to keep people in their Apple cage ☹️
ANDROID!!!
I was wondering why you were downvoted, until I saw the name of the sub.
Apple users are definitely in a cage, but apparently they won’t even acknowledge it.
I’m not saying the phones aren’t good otherwise, but using Apple is an obvious sacrifice of digital freedom.
Just stating the truth, where the truth should be heard no less. The sheeple will never fully realize they’re sheeple if nobody says anything…
You can’t argue someone out of a position they didn’t argue themselves into.
Hey, if I stated that on an Android community, I’m sure I’d get quite a few upvotes. But that’s not accomplishing anything now is it, that’s like talking into an echo chamber.
I don’t expect much of any upvotes for my comment, but it’s the truth. I can’t help it if Apple users don’t like hearing the truth. 🤷♂️
100% I was one of those hardcore Apple fanboys until I realised it’s turning into a cult. I stopped defending and criticising Apple and it’s policies a long time ago, even though I use iPhone and android.
It really depends on the user. I mainly use iPhone, but there are definitely some odd limitations here and there. I’m glad Android exists to provide some alternative.
I know. It’s Amazing the bullshit we’ll put up with to avoid having to use Android…
Says a lot about the sorry state of Android doesn’t it?
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Just because something has market share doesn’t mean it’s good.
@fuckwit_mcbumcrumble @AProfessional windows
Said another way, Apple sells more smart phone hardware than any other phone manufacturer on the planet. Samsung being a strong second place at 24% of the world.
@simplejack @AProfessional no you have to stick to the “this one company doesn’t sell as much as all of the other companies combined” view of it
because
Cheap is a thing isn’t it. I hear Walmart is popular. Poor people love cheap.
I’m not so sure this holds up as well as it once did. You can get some pretty cheap iPhones and Apple even sells some more value-oriented options , although not as cheap as some crappy Android phones. You can also buy Androids much more expensive than any iPhone.
But I hear what you’re saying. I believe you are saying that cheap often means more popular but that doesn’t mean good.
Most Apple users want the “cage” for its near-mindless security and privacy. I used to troubleshoot and diagnose PCs all day. I got tired of managing my HTC Windows phone in 2008 and went to iPhone. It’s similar to running Windows Home for the smaller attack surface than Pro, or trading admin for user rights. I love not having to worry about the reliability, privacy, or security maintenance of my daily driver.
I spend all day dealing with computer issues. I never have to deal with iPhone problems. It just works.
Well, sometimes I need to restart it. Lol
the privacy is illusory. apple collaborates with the nsa
Do you have a source on what they provide the NSA? According to their privacy policy they don’t access customer data unless they receive a warrant requesting iCloud data, and they have no access to data on the phone itself or what is transmitted.
edward snowden. according to his leaks they have been doing it since the early 2000s.
the only mechanism companies can use to disclose it somewhat is a warrant canary, and apple doesn’t have one.
I don’t put faith in everything Snowden says without explanation. Do you have a link with a detailed explanation of how this backdoor works?
Apple discloses warrant compliance on their legal site.
apple.com/…/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf
you’d rather put faith in a corporation?
do you have the source code we can actually review for backdoors?
So I’m guessing you don’t have a source for me?
I have one for you. It’s the history of legal battles between Apple and the FBI.
epic.org/documents/apple-v-fbi-2/
source code. you can link legal documents all you want to try and shift blame from apple, but fact is, privacy is still an illusion with them unless we can investigate their os for backdoors.
the snowden leaks are well estabilished fact by this point and no amount of “but its not their fault!” will change it regardless of if its true or not.
The source code is proprietary. They’ll never release it. If Snowden has proof, then where is that?
Since both claims are unprovable, let’s look at the evidence and motive.
You believe that Apple would spend all of that money fighting the FBI in court, just so they could give the NSA a backdoor that is in direct violation of their privacy policy, potentially exposing them to a massive class action suit from users, and does not benefit them in any financially tangible way.
Time to take off the tin foil hat.
he literally does lol
apple fanboys, man.
Cool. I’ve asked for it twice. I’m equally skeptical. The difference is I require proof to believe it. Do you have a link?
They didn’t do anything “with Apple”. The NSA added splitters to fiber optic lines to steal information. Apple never collaborated with the NSA, nor gave them information willingly.
thats simply not true
Recently: arstechnica.com/…/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving…
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Give up all your data to google. You are the product.
Who said I ever signed into Google?
This phone has never been signed into any accounts on the Android OS level, I’ve never activated location services, and I don’t even have a SIM card.
I run WiFi only, with alternate app stores and the ability to transfer apps from one phone to another by copying APK installer files.
Not every Android user is totally stuck to Google.
Believes he isn’t a product. Cute. But you’re full of it and a troll.
How can I be a product when they can’t figure out who I am or where I’m at?
Again, I never signed into Google in the first place.
Whats the point in having a phone if you don’t do any phone things with it?
There are alternate apps and services that don’t depend on Google. I’m responding from one such service right now.
I’ve also been using the same TextNow number since 2016. You know, VOIP WiFi phone service? I even debugged the TextNow app back in 2016, they’re actually damn glad to have me as a regular free user.
There are ways to both maintain privacy, and also use your device at the same time.
This is generally true, but no more than what you do with an iPhone to Apple. Except with the iPhone Apple decides how much, where on Android you can prevent giving data to Google to the degree you wish.
There is no doubt Android phones have more freedom than iPhone. It’s not even reasonably debatable.
Assuming your phone allows it. Not every phone is rootable or has an unlocked bootloader.
Apple and it’s policies can feck off
So precious. I bet you don’t even use Apple products.
of course not, why would i pay a premium for it.
Then you have no business here. Begone. I’ll just block you in the meantime.
if you wanna block anyone who criticises apple for their business practices you’ll be blocking a lotta people
Ya, but the community is literally called apple enthusiast. You don’t sound like an enthusiast if you hate the brand and don’t use it.
You can be an enthusiast and still be able to criticise. Apple has changed a lot over the years, and not always for the better.
It is possible I think to enjoy a company’s products without defending everything the company does, especially not the things that benefit the company at the expense of the owners of said products
I got this on the front page, I don’t need to be an apple apologist to see the news. If you don’t want non fanboys, tell your admin to disallow it there
How appropriate that you’re bitching about people coming into your walled garden to criticize Apple.
So only Apple enthusiasts are allowed in here? Everyone else is forbidden from entering?
ok thats just peachy
Nobody cares who you block. Go ahead and block me. I used to have plenty of apple stuff in the past and have none now because they charge a premium for something that they barely change with each “new” iphone that comes out.
Done. Blocked.
What a child lol
What a strange bird.
I have a Mac at work, and apple trying to control what people does with their devices is stupid and they should be shamed for it.
Checkmate!
#1 reason I stick with PCs. Apple deciding that it knows best and deciding how users get to use their machines thanks to the Apple walled garden.
Windows would like to catch up, but thankfully you’re still free to completely break it if you want.
If you want the most freedom just use linux you can do anything you want at all given you know how to
I already do.
The full-fat UTM app is on the Mac App Store. They just don’t like JITs on iOS for whatever reason (probably under “security” if I had to hazard a guess) so it’s not allowed there.
Apple and its* policies.
I thought it was “it’s” as it’s a possessive apostrophe?
The policies are Apple’s, so it’s would be an appropriate substitution, no?
No, the possessive apostrophe doesn’t apply to possessive pronouns. Apostrophes in pronouns are for abbreviations (like “he is” becomes “he’s” and “it is” becomes “it’s”)
…cambridge.org/…/pronouns-possessive-my-mine-your…
And: promova.com/…/86_Possessive_Pronouns_in_English_4…
Ok.
@neme I like how the devs were like “eh, it’s not even that good of an app, whatever”
Yeah well because Apple doesn’t allow JIT compilation, so the performance would’ve sucked anyway.
I’d guess Windows for Arm would perform fine though.
Not really… I have tried it before on an m1 iPad. It is not usable for any windows version. XP for example takes over 15 minutes just to boot. It takes multiple seconds for clicks to register, etc.
Linux, like Debian for example, will be much more usable, but still far from anything you would call a smooth experience.
Again, not having JIT really kills the performance here.
Why is a jit needed for native arm software?
Because ARM is not the same as ARM. Windows arm does not natively run on an Apple M1 Processor and MacOS does not run on a raspberry pi.
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because its not about jit per se, its about marking pages of memory as executable. doesn’t matter whether you compile it or load it from disk, you need to mark the memory as executable so the cpu will run it, and that isnt something “normal” ios apps are allowed to do.
Is it a third-party app store if Apple decides what it’s allowed to offer?
The EU will absolutely take issue with this. What they’ve done is beyond the scope of the law … again.
a piece of paper doesn’t matter if theres no enforcement.
from the law enforcement or the implementation itself.
Its against the law after the first time
However, as it stands, UTM is not proceeding to contest the ruling. As apps distributed on iOS cannot use a JIT compiler (other than specially entitled alternative browser engines), the functionality and performance of the emulators running through UTM SE, the version submitted for review that had JIT disabled, was significantly impaired. UTM says getting UTM SE approved “isn’t worth fighting for”.
Oh. Well okay then.
I don’t think EU will like the part about third-party stores.