phoneymouse@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 17:45
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FTA: In the ruling, three Ninth Circuit judges said the plaintiffs failed to establish that it is “virtually impossible” for them to reduce their storage, or that they will inevitably be forced to pay for iCloud storage. In fact, two named plaintiffs were still on the 5GB tier. The judges added that customers have the option to turn off iCloud at any time.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 18:48
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I think a better argument would be to make apple let you use other cloud providers for functionality like backups, or provide some way to automatically back up locally (iTunes used to do this). Still probably won’t work in the US, but might in Europe.
but it’s manual which is usually less reliable than an automatic option. the old wifi option was reliable, and it happened every day without having to think about it. Also cloud backups now go over wifi just fine.
Ah, they probably got rid of that when they stopped making airports with HDs in them for network backups. I don’t think it ever was designed to work with 3rd party backup devices.
Yeah… to be fair, it does work, I personally don’t pay for iCloud, but the way they aggressively push it and auto-enable it in so many places leaves less-technical users stuck with an unusable computer without more storage, unless they’re savvy enough to know how to disable everything… which they aren’t.
It’s a frustrating practice, and MS is no better with the way they force OneDrive down your throat.
schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
on 06 Dec 18:15
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This feels like both a bad argument from the people filing the suit, and a bad call from the judges.
Sure, you don’t have to use iCloud, but Apple has absolutely tied so much functionality - including automated backups - to it that, honestly, it’s de-facto required if you’re going to stay in the ecosystem and expect all the features that are listed on the side of the box to work.
And, of course 5GB is really not sufficient space to even reliably back up a modern iOS device, let alone file syncing, email, photos, messages, etc. at this point.
It feels like the people who brought the suit didn’t really have formulated a good argument (or even had reasonable standing - if you’re using the 5gb tier it’s hard to argue Apple force you to do anything), but I don’t think the general gist of ‘Apple is providing 5GB knowing you’re going to almost certainly going to be forced to upgrade’ is all that wrong.
djidane535@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Dec 19:23
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Me and my family are all on Apple products since ~2014 (or even before). We never paid for iCloud. I opt in this year because (I) the 1st tier costs me 1€/month for 50Go and (II) it’s very convenient to get auto backup for the whole phone (except photos / videos, we are using a family plan with Google Drive for that).
But I admit that enabling iCloud by default and frequently showing a pop up because you are beyond the 5Go plan is pretty bad. But you can disable it at anytime, and there is no more pop up when you have done it.
My solution is I only back up things like contacts. Only local backups for photos and the like… I don’t want my or my partner’s genitals on a web service, no thank you
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FTA: In the ruling, three Ninth Circuit judges said the plaintiffs failed to establish that it is “virtually impossible” for them to reduce their storage, or that they will inevitably be forced to pay for iCloud storage. In fact, two named plaintiffs were still on the 5GB tier. The judges added that customers have the option to turn off iCloud at any time.
I think a better argument would be to make apple let you use other cloud providers for functionality like backups, or provide some way to automatically back up locally (iTunes used to do this). Still probably won’t work in the US, but might in Europe.
I still use iTunes to back up locally on my PC. On the Mac it looks like that functionality is embedded in finder now.
yeah but it’s manual over USB right? You used to be able to set it to back up automatically once per day over wifi.
Not sure I never tried a local wifi backup. USB is generally faster and more reliable.
but it’s manual which is usually less reliable than an automatic option. the old wifi option was reliable, and it happened every day without having to think about it. Also cloud backups now go over wifi just fine.
Ah, they probably got rid of that when they stopped making airports with HDs in them for network backups. I don’t think it ever was designed to work with 3rd party backup devices.
yes it did, iTunes backed it up to its pc/Mac drive, same as a USB backup.
discussions.apple.com/thread/7531061?sortBy=rank
Yeah… to be fair, it does work, I personally don’t pay for iCloud, but the way they aggressively push it and auto-enable it in so many places leaves less-technical users stuck with an unusable computer without more storage, unless they’re savvy enough to know how to disable everything… which they aren’t.
It’s a frustrating practice, and MS is no better with the way they force OneDrive down your throat.
This feels like both a bad argument from the people filing the suit, and a bad call from the judges.
Sure, you don’t have to use iCloud, but Apple has absolutely tied so much functionality - including automated backups - to it that, honestly, it’s de-facto required if you’re going to stay in the ecosystem and expect all the features that are listed on the side of the box to work.
And, of course 5GB is really not sufficient space to even reliably back up a modern iOS device, let alone file syncing, email, photos, messages, etc. at this point.
It feels like the people who brought the suit didn’t really have formulated a good argument (or even had reasonable standing - if you’re using the 5gb tier it’s hard to argue Apple force you to do anything), but I don’t think the general gist of ‘Apple is providing 5GB knowing you’re going to almost certainly going to be forced to upgrade’ is all that wrong.
Me and my family are all on Apple products since ~2014 (or even before). We never paid for iCloud. I opt in this year because (I) the 1st tier costs me 1€/month for 50Go and (II) it’s very convenient to get auto backup for the whole phone (except photos / videos, we are using a family plan with Google Drive for that).
But I admit that enabling iCloud by default and frequently showing a pop up because you are beyond the 5Go plan is pretty bad. But you can disable it at anytime, and there is no more pop up when you have done it.
My solution is I only back up things like contacts. Only local backups for photos and the like… I don’t want my or my partner’s genitals on a web service, no thank you
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