BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Jun 05:53
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Bloomberg reports that Apple is ready to launch a standalone password and passkeys manager that works across iPhone, iPad, Mac, Vision Pro, and Windows PCs.
So… like the keychain works with the Windows extension?
iOS keychain is more limited currently - it’s essentially for web pages only. Sounds like the new app will bring features to iOS that other password managers have had forever - notes, non-web passwords etc.
Seems off to me. On Mac they abandoned the standalone keychain app in favor of the settings app just last year (IIRC). Why would they turn around and go in the opposite direction so soon after that?
Oh damn, thanks for letting me know. I got the alert saying they were in settings when I opened up keychain and assumed they were permanently moved not like “hey you can also find them there”. Great news, I much prefer the keychain app.
Use this shortcut from Ricky Mondello, the lead for Apple’s password development team.
I get the feeling they wanted to do a Passwords app for some time but needed to get, probably executive-level, buy-in to get it done.
Apple will get bad PR about this: they are “Sherlocking” password managers. 1Password will write a blog post about how this is actually good for them because now password management is mainstream; 3rd party password managers will decide to focus more on the enterprise market; Microsoft will come out with a competing password manager that re-uses the name of a previous product and is bundled with Edge, etc. How it always goes.
garretble@lemmy.world
on 07 Jun 13:12
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I’ve been trying to get my parents to use a password manager for years now. They have a piece of paper with a bunch of passwords on that’s one coffee spill away from a disaster.
I’ve tried getting them to use Bitwarden or any other simple manager, but nothing has stuck.
A “default” one from Apple, might, though. They are more amenable to stuff “built in” (that will also not be hidden down in some settings menus like how the current iOS passwords are stored.) So bring it on.
At least take comfort that the piece of paper already makes them more secure than 90%+ of people!
And have faith… my mom is not super tech literate, but once she used and experienced the convenience of a password manager, she became an evangelist, she even taught and onboarded my grandma onto Bitwarden without me knowing about it.
Lucky! I finally got my mum to use the password manager I admin, but she still reuses the same dozen passwords for everything and manually enters them in… sigh. I’ve set strong passwords and 2FA for all critical accounts, so I just let her be a moron with the rest of them.
Computers break her brain. She literally responds with questions like “it’s IN the computer?” Zoolander style. I just do most of her shit myself because it’s less painful than trying to teach her.
I’ve been a long time 1password user, but they turned away from individuals and towards b2b. And they’ve gotten a lot more expensive as well. I ultimately switched to iCloud Keychain and I’m quite happy with it. There’s still a few shortcomings, but they don’t matter as much anymore. I’m happy to see the upcoming changes.
brettvitaz@programming.dev
on 08 Jun 02:20
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but they turned away from individuals and towards b2b
I don’t agree. 1Password is exactly the application my family and I need and works extremely well. I don’t understand how you think they turned away from individuals. Adding b2b features doesn’t in any way take away from what the app provides for me. IMO the cost is pretty reasonable and the features and enhancements just keep coming. It was great when I started using it over 10 years ago, and now it is unrecognizable from then (in a good way).
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So… like the keychain works with the Windows extension?
Yeah, sounds like the blogger has no clue it’s already a thing…
No, it’s like how any other password manager work. They simply reinvent that concept over the past several iOS updates.
Hopefully it has “hide my email” integrated as well since that it’s key differentiator.
iOS keychain is more limited currently - it’s essentially for web pages only. Sounds like the new app will bring features to iOS that other password managers have had forever - notes, non-web passwords etc.
Nice! The current one being „hidden“ in the settings app is a bit annoying to reach
Seems off to me. On Mac they abandoned the standalone keychain app in favor of the settings app just last year (IIRC). Why would they turn around and go in the opposite direction so soon after that?
Bc it’s confusing as fuck? An App is the way to go for sure.
The keychain app is still there, and it still works as it always did
Oh damn, thanks for letting me know. I got the alert saying they were in settings when I opened up keychain and assumed they were permanently moved not like “hey you can also find them there”. Great news, I much prefer the keychain app.
I created a shortcut to it and pinned that to the Home Screen. Works great, but yeah, you shouldn’t have to
Use this shortcut from Ricky Mondello, the lead for Apple’s password development team.
I get the feeling they wanted to do a Passwords app for some time but needed to get, probably executive-level, buy-in to get it done.
Apple will get bad PR about this: they are “Sherlocking” password managers. 1Password will write a blog post about how this is actually good for them because now password management is mainstream; 3rd party password managers will decide to focus more on the enterprise market; Microsoft will come out with a competing password manager that re-uses the name of a previous product and is bundled with Edge, etc. How it always goes.
There’s no need for that Shortcut anymore, there’s a dedicated shortcut action from Apple now (Shortcut example)
Thanks. That’s good to know.
Haha, love the Microsoft joke. Very accurate
I’ve been trying to get my parents to use a password manager for years now. They have a piece of paper with a bunch of passwords on that’s one coffee spill away from a disaster.
I’ve tried getting them to use Bitwarden or any other simple manager, but nothing has stuck.
A “default” one from Apple, might, though. They are more amenable to stuff “built in” (that will also not be hidden down in some settings menus like how the current iOS passwords are stored.) So bring it on.
At least take comfort that the piece of paper already makes them more secure than 90%+ of people!
And have faith… my mom is not super tech literate, but once she used and experienced the convenience of a password manager, she became an evangelist, she even taught and onboarded my grandma onto Bitwarden without me knowing about it.
Lucky! I finally got my mum to use the password manager I admin, but she still reuses the same dozen passwords for everything and manually enters them in… sigh. I’ve set strong passwords and 2FA for all critical accounts, so I just let her be a moron with the rest of them.
Computers break her brain. She literally responds with questions like “it’s IN the computer?” Zoolander style. I just do most of her shit myself because it’s less painful than trying to teach her.
Trying to Sherlock 1Passwd a second time? They tried it with iCloud passwords and it didn’t work.
Live and learn, kids.
Edit: To be clear, 1Passwd survived by:
They had the know-how, people, and money to pull it off. Not every indie app getting Sherlocked can do that.
I’ve been a long time 1password user, but they turned away from individuals and towards b2b. And they’ve gotten a lot more expensive as well. I ultimately switched to iCloud Keychain and I’m quite happy with it. There’s still a few shortcomings, but they don’t matter as much anymore. I’m happy to see the upcoming changes.
I don’t agree. 1Password is exactly the application my family and I need and works extremely well. I don’t understand how you think they turned away from individuals. Adding b2b features doesn’t in any way take away from what the app provides for me. IMO the cost is pretty reasonable and the features and enhancements just keep coming. It was great when I started using it over 10 years ago, and now it is unrecognizable from then (in a good way).