Why you like Apple?
from doodle967@lemdro.id to apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world on 15 Jun 13:47
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from doodle967@lemdro.id to apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world on 15 Jun 13:47
https://lemdro.id/post/9803202
What made you choose Apple?
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this is beautiful
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EDIT: this was beautiful
Go back to the Linux circle jerk that is the rest of Lemmy.
2 minute old post with no replies, truly unheard of on Lemmy.
What got me was they ruined their own post, and then had to edit it because they were surprised they ruined their own post?
I LOVE APPLE
U mad?
Just a little. Big corporations ruin the working class just to eat more profit. I wish they had received less love.
Vertical integration
Security
Privacy
Competitive processors
Progressive company
Pretty ui
Vertical integration and progressive company are good for Apple but for the consumer they are irrelevant I think.
Security is ok, privacy must be a joke, siri is listening, just like google. You have to be logged in to install an app from the store etc…
Pretty limited ui. Some might like it, some may don’t, but they can’t change nothing.
Siri is only “listening” for a key phrase. Siri processes locally, unlike Google Assistant.
www.apple.com/siri/#:~:text=The most private digi….
One company spent years building privacy centric image, literally telling governments they cannot get into their clients’ devices; the other spent years finding new and exciting ways to serve targeted ads.
It’s also the reason why Siri was first to market and fell behind Alexa and Google Assistant so quickly. It took Apple a decade (2011-2021) to create the hashed then encrypted relay system to collect private and anonymous recorded feedback from customers who opt-in to improving Siri.
Competition just kept everything as user feedback data. I’ve read horror stories about the people who worked at Alexa recording review sites.
Vertical integration is precisely what stops me from buying apple.
Why?
Because I have invested in various non apple technologies (phones, pcs, earphones, vr headsets) which don’t play nicely with iOS
So if you’d picked differently when you started out you’d be fine with it?
Vertical integration doesn’t mean that other devices can’t play nicely with Apple devices or vise versa. The only reason they don’t is because Apple wants to be dicks.
You are correct. It’s the horizontal exclusion I dislike, not the vertical integration.
Integration with their other products. And I’m too old to enjoy fiddling with stuff anymore.
The first time I copied something on my phone and then seamlessly pasted it on my laptop, I was pretty blown away. The integration is a major perk.
But try copying from Apple to Windows
Why would I
If you already have a Windows PC and you buy an apple product.
It was a nightmare getting music on and off an iPod using windows.
It put me right off Apple.
I always found it really easy with iTunes
…I still find it easy with iTunes as I’m still using my iPod 18 years later
ITunes on a mac I presume.
ITunes on a PC didn’t work well over networks.
Nope, on a PC.
Never tried it over a network though, I’ve always just plugged it in to the computer where the music collection is.
I had my mp3s on windows98 but ITunes only ran on XP so I had all sorts of problems.
Does android have this copy paste function on windows? (Never owned a android phone, serious question)
On android I can connect via USB and just drag the music onto the device.
I couldn’t do this when I had an iPod. I had to go through iTunes and that had to sync before I could do anything.
See that’s not what we’re talking about here. what’s cool in the apple ecosystem is I can copy something on my iPhone to the clipboard and then press cmd-v on my Mac to paste it (Or visa versa). It’s these little continuity things in the ecosystem apple haters don’t even know about I think. Another example, if I place my iPad next to my Mac I can push my mouse cursor of the screen onto the iPad, grab a file, drag it back to my Mac. Wirelessly.
Sounds cool, but not enough to get me to buy a macbook and iphone (I’m assuming it doesn’t work with android).
Oh no I get that, it’s definitely a nice-to-have not a must-have. And it’s those little things I personally am willing to pay a premium price for. It just negates the argument of “doesn’t work with windows, I don’t like apple”. No it doesn’t but then again android doesn’t do this either.
Apparently the described functionality is possible between windows and android but not out of the box (nor probably securely).
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
is possible
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
But the list goes on: www.apple.com/macos/continuity/ and you can probably do many of those things, but the smoothness and how it all just “magically” works I’ve never experienced on other OSes. But then again, is it worth the premium price? Probably not for most people. Also, you can’t miss something you never had. But if you ever experienced it, you will feel you are stepping down if you leave the ecosystem.
If the smoothness included my existing hardware then I would probably pay for the premium experience.
It works between android and any linux distro through kde connect. It let’s me do more than just clipboard sharing. e.g.: I could remote control my laser engraver through it.
But windows isn’t any Linux distro tho is it.
I wouldn’t use windows either
Fair enough
By the way, I am an apple hater because I tried apple after years of using Linux and it was a true mess. Here’s a story: I had to make an app building CICD pipeline and guess what? We had to run a macbook as a server because they fucking cannot share at least a VM for building. A CLI command brought up a GUI confirmation. How should I automate something that brings up a GUI. Garbage. Package management is horrible. Command line utilities was outdated. Case insensitive filesystem. Then Ruby…
And it’s not enough that they are shit, but they are actively holding back innovation. They held back PWAs for example. And they shit on open-source. They are the definition of vendor lock-in.
They look good though.
See that’s fair criticism and I understand where your frustration comes from. That indeed sounds like a oversight.
Can you copy and paste from Android to Windows? How about Android to ChromeOS?
Yes. Plugged in as MTP has never given me a problem transferring mp3s. No need to rebuild databases. Just drag and drop.
Never tried.
CaptainEffort and I were referring to the standard copy and paste feature on all OSs, but copying on one device and wirelessly pasting it on another. It’s a very convenient piece of continuity.
Although, what you’re talking about has worked since the release of the Files app in iOS 11, seven years ago. When you connect an iPhone to Windows, it appears as a drive now. You can drag and drop any files once you authenticate.
Yes. My experience was many years ago, but it was annoying enough to put me off trying to integrate Apple with other ecosystems.
That’s fair. Apple’s been shifting away from exclusively using proprietary protocols and connectors over the last decade. Most of their remaining proprietary use is in addition to industry standard protocols and connectors now. Adding RCS support in the fall is a long-awaited adoption. They were holding out in effort to leverage GSM to adopt an encrypted RCS standard, but it didn’t happen.
You’re misunderstanding them… They’re talking about clipboard sharing between iPhone and Mac. You select some text on your phone, copy it and then you can paste that text on your Mac.
They’re not talking about copying and pasting files.
Ah OK.
Does this feature work with my Android or will I need to buy an IPhone as well as a MacBook?
This does not work with android. They’re talking about the vertical integration of Apple products.
It even feels more like magic if you use the three-finger pinch to copy and paste.
support.apple.com/guide/iphone/…/ios#:~:text=Cut%….
Privacy, security, reliability, creative focused design, powerful hardware and software, great customer support, ease of use from GUI to Terminal (zsh and bash)
I like that I am their primary customer rather than advertisers as with Google.
I like that their desktop OS is a Unix variant unlike Microsoft’s (although this matters to me less and less over time).
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Because they’re not Google.
I never really liked them growing up, but in recent years there have been some really good varieties popping up. Cosmic Crisp, Sugarbee, Kanzi.
Vertical integration (the ecosystem), decent UIs (that the GNOME guys are unable to get close to), higher level of security and privacy than most stock Android phones out there.
Android is great in theory but the amount of pre-installed garbage, material design and Google / vendor powered spyware is way too much for my liking. I’m not saying that Apple doesn’t track things, because they do, but at least there’s no vendor garbage and you can go through the Settings and disable everything you don’t need, restrict Apps from running in the background etc. If you don’t upload your data into iCloud it will be way more private than the average Android phone.
Another thing I dislike about non-Apple phones is that, besides the Pixel and a few others, their bootloader and storage security is a joke, if someone gets your device you can assume they’ll get to your data.
At the time, it was video editing. I went to film school & was a post production supervisor for 15 years in LA.
Having a laptop I could edit on & just knowing how to use Final Cut, gave me a major leg up starting my career.
I knew more about nonlinear editing than most of the post staff as a production assistant, because Avid made it too cost prohibitive for prosumers & students with their proprietary hardware.
Then Apple pooped out FCPX & gave Avid/Adobe the market back.
Still stuck with Apple though, just really fell into the environment & have been able to keep everything moving rather seamlessly.
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The iPhone Mini.
I love my iPhone 13 Mini. Only thing I’d change is swap the wide-angle for a telephoto. Otherwise, it’s perfect.
Well designed in every way
I left Apple when I got rid of my iPhone 3 and didn’t look back until last year. In the mean time, iOS has grown up nicely, the services are really well integrated, and it’s pretty low on bugs.
Contrast to Google where every OS update to Android makes the UI more and more similar to iOS, but a shittier version of it. Their home assistant has been losing features and the overall recognition has gotten demonstrably worse as time goes on. It annoys me to no end that Android doesn’t have any native ability to resize a photo before emailing it, so you either send a 7MB photo or go through too many ridiculous steps to resize it first. That’s not even counting the services that Google kills all the time, making any investment into their ecosystem unreliable in the long term.
I’m not using Apple now because I’m loyal and like them. It’s because Google has put so much effort into making their own phone a shitty knockoff. If I’m paying premium prices for a flagship phone, might as well go with the one that works better.
This is a great point. I’ve switched between Android and iOS over the years. The past 4 years I’ve been on Android but later this year I plan to switch back to iPhone because they’ve leapt ahead again. Google has let Android languish. They don’t add user delight features anymore and what they do have is poorly implemented.
Apple is constantly adding features that people USE in real life, like Accident detection, fall detection, satellite calling, memoji, Facetime, iMessage, Find my devices, UWB shows you with an arrow on the screen exactly where your loved on is in a crowd or your airpods behind the couch etc
Apple fitness is the best out there and Watch is hands down the best fitness device. And it works great with iPhone.
There are too many things to list but the general rule of thumb is that apple adds delight and useful stuff but Google only adds things that benefit IT like circle to search. That’s just a way to get you using Google search instead of a different search engine.
When an OEM like Samsung’s One UI is better than stock android, you know you have a problem. Plus the fragmentation: something that is on my android device may not be on my wife’s or my friends, or in a different place or whatever.
Average Android users don’t know quick share exists at all. So it’s always off on their phone so if you want to quick share something it’s quicker to send it on WhatsApp than to teach them what quick share is and how to enable it… Whereas every iPhone user knows airdrop and that’s nothing to turn on.
Even the recent customisation additions Apple has made are better implemented than on Android where it’s a clunky process to add a widget, they look terrible and Devs have limited access. Even the bedtime feature where iPhone displays a clock on the screen when docked and charging is excellent for the average user. Why hasn’t Android had this year’s ago??? And still doesn’t!
Plus magsafe is genius. The incredible accessories and ease of use is fantastic.
I can’t wait to switch back to iPhone later this year!
Peer pressure, obv
Historically much better for pro audio. (Less so now).
In all honesty…my parents. I play family tech support and it’s just easier with Apple. There aren’t a million different variants of hardware and manufacturer tweaks to the OS. If I also have an iPhone I can keep up with all the changes and help troubleshoot any issues (I live ~2000 miles away). If they have any immediate concerns they can visit an Apple Store and a ‘Genius’ can also walk them through whatever. They also have classes.
I keep my phones for 3 years and pass it on to one of my retired parents who keep it for another 3. Then it stops receiving the latest updates as its fallen out of support with Apple. They still work just fine but not receiving the latest major OS releases. My last phone swap lead to my parents passing their old phone on to my brother who couldn’t care less that it’s out of support and just wants a working device.
So those ~$1000 phones are getting some mileage…
Apple products work like an appliance. You don’t have to worry so much about how it is working, it just works and does the thing you need. It saves you time.
A lot of folks on here want to worry about how their computer is working. This is very time consuming and can be pretty frustrating to manage on your own. If everyone did this society wouldn’t have other important things.
Add 25 years of IT work, and I now have zero interest in doing computer stuff as a hobby anymore. I used to love tinkering. Had multi-boot systems, spun up VMs just because I could, turned a minitower into a JBOD SCSI enclosure, etc. Now I just want stuff to work without fucking with it. That used to be Apple… and while they’ve gotten away from that a fair amount it’s still head and shoulders above Microsoft and Google.
If big tech gets awful enough that I have to consider brushing up on Linux, I might as well just fuck off into the woods and see if I can make friends with some raccoons or something. I’m tired, man.
I spent 20 years setting up and maintaining Microsoft software and systems, and a coworker convinced me to try a Mac to test replacing our executive laptops. I was quickly sold, and haven’t looked back. I avoid windows like the plague now and everyone except my gamer son is living the sweet Mac life. Simple, performant, effective.
My family’s home computer was a MacMini (running Mavericks). As a high schooler at the time, I loved the simplicity of navigation and creation. My first smartphone was an iPhone 5s.
I stuck with them for my undergrad because I didn’t know otherwise. Windows felt like a downgrade at the time and gnu+linux or bsd were not on my radar.
I loved the hardware. I loved the integration between my mac and my phone. I learned to use the command line and make my mac incredibly powerful and fast. Its the hardware and software I used throughout my undergraduate and graduate programs and I continue to use it in my career in the museum field.
I now hop back and forth between macOS and FreeBSD, but it’s all on Apple hardware.
I grew up with an Apple IIgs as the family PC (in the 90s; we were poor). Then my family got a free Performa PPC through a program my mom was doing in ‘97. The computer after that was a Windows PC and I never liked it as much.
So when the time came to buy my own computer I went back to a Mac and haven’t regretted it.
My first smartphone was an early LG Optimus. Don’t remember the exact model, but it was a horrible experience. When it was time to justify an upgrade, I tried an iPhone (4S I think.) It did what I need in a phone and more, and it was smooth, responsive, and reliable, unlike the LG.
Since then I’ve only used iPhones, and also an Apple TV, some HomePods, AirPods Pro, watches, and my wife uses a MacBook.
My desktop will always be Windows, but I’m increasingly tempted to try Linux. I mean, I’ll never use a Mac. It doesn’t do what I need. The other Apple devices do exactly what I need and they do it well. They’re generally a pleasure to use with only a few quirks here and there - probably no more or less than modern Android devices, maybe? I wouldn’t know. I just haven’t felt the need to switch back to Android, since everything works fine. I upgrade my phone every 4-5 years.
So I guess it’s all due to a bad first impression, thanks to LG hardware.
You should try a Mac. You’ll be surprised at how good it is.
That really depends on the person, I think. I last used mac in like 2003 until last year with my new job. I hate almost everything about it. Nothing works the way I expect it to. I love clicking on an app in the dock just to have it... not show up? It gains focus and, wherever it is, will have input if I'm typing. Same with command+tab sometimes. I also can't switch between fullscreen windows of the same app without installing something, apparently (my coworker who uses mac at home couldn't figure it out either). It has slowed me down and made me less productive. Work won't let us have linux laptops for whatever reason which, as a developer, would be so much nicer.
If work let’s you run VM’s you could run Linux in a VM on your pc
I had some success with this, but ran into some issues as well that also made it annoying. The first laptop the gave me died and I lost all that progress and haven't tried again since.
Sounds like they are giving you crap hardware. Also, the IT guy should set up the VM and make sure it works.
Also, as a dev you should INSIST that you MUST HAVE Linux available as well. You are the dev, you know what tools you need, it’s not up to the IT guy to decide what software you need
I say this as an IT Tech/Admin who was responsible for running all the IT at my company offices. I had about 350 users/PCs to administer plus servers, printers, telephone system, door entry system, switches, WiFi system etc…
If a new guy started they told me what software he would run and what spec was needed and I’d get the right pc for the job and deploy the software needed. Not tell them what to use.
I have an m3 now (I had an m1. I later found out about 3 other laptops had issues around the same time so I actually suspect something weird in remote management, but I don't know mac well enough to assert that more). They decided that since I technically, however frustratingly and measurably more slowly, can do my work, it's not worth the "security risk". I still bring it up at basically every opportunity and I'm not the only one. I live in a very remote area of Japan and remote jobs are hard to come by, so, at the same time, I'm not making too much noise.
I understand. You have to do what you have to do to survive. In that case make the best of the Windows pc and do your work to their satisfaction. Making a living is more important than what OS you use.
I like the fact that they support devices with software updates longer than their competitors.
My last phone was a Pixel 2XL, which I loved, but it stopped getting security updates after just 2 years. I know Goggle has pledged to support devices longer, but I can’t trust them to actually follow through.
I always went with Android growing up but went with Apple once I was on my own phone plan. This decision was based around getting the most software support for the cost. I found that I could buy a refurbished iphone 13 mini for roughly 300$ and still have 5 years of security updates after they stop selling the 13. That longevity for the price is hard to get with android.
Its been a few months, and honestly I’m not a fan of the UI or apple’s way of doing things, but it’s a functional phone.
I got tired of trying to get Android updates on new Android phones.
I also used to work as a sound engineer and all of my sound boards had app control through iPads, every show that came to town needed a Mac with qlab. It made sense to make the change.
It’s more that I dislike everything else more for the most part.
For the moment, they are simply better than the competition in regard to LLM ambitions. I got tired of Google being incompetent and not supporting an app/service for more than a few years. Google is chasing after a viral hit app without showing they could actually maintain it for more than longer than a year, at best. Apple is stable, they have a plan to keep their main services stable and useable! I switched to an iPhone last year, it’s a stable experience, if not a bit bland at times due to a lack of serious customization elements. Since moving away from Windows and going to Ubuntu, I even plan on getting a Mac Mini to manage my iPhone (since Linux doesn’t have those tools readily available). I don’t like Apple persay because I don’t trust any corporation, in a market with little choice; I chose them for the time being. When Linux phones are ready for the general audience that is when I will jump ship.
I got tired of Google/Android constantly removing functionality I was actively using. (I had specifically bought a Pixel 4a 5g because of certain features not available on other (non-pixel) android devices, only to have those features be removed or hidden deeper into the system with a new android update. Also the quick access buttons at the top of te notification slide suddenly being text only instead of icons thus taking up more space for much less buttons (we went from 8 to 6 to 4 directly accessible))
So I went to iOS, first with a second hand iPhone 7, which is still holding up. (unlike any of the android devices from the same year)
Which convinced me enough to pick up an iPhone 14 pro.
I already had an iPad (because android tablets were horrible) and I enjoyed the integration between iPhone and iPad.
I’ve actually also been looking at replacing my work laptop with a MacBook, but I’m not sure if that’s going to work for me.
I don’t like apple. But I love to recommend them for 4 reasons:
The hardware, even the cheapest base specs is light years better than anything from Windows or Android. I can’t tell you how many times a relative bought an Android and stopped using it because it was unresponsive after a week. Or I had to stop another from buying a Windows PC with only 4GB of RAM… in 2022.
The fake download links are targeting Windows not Mac. Meaning that when a relative downloads their games or cousins gets a hold of their computer to download minecraft skins, their machine won’t be playing breakout on their desktop (yes this actually happened, and lived in the RAM from what I could tell)
When the OS updates, the careful configuration I made for them doesn’t break. Why [RELATIVE] are you using Edge, when I set up Chrome for you… oh your machine updated and moved the chrome icon, and this looks close enough to IE that you clicked on it. Cool.
I don’t have to teach them how to use Video Chats, or Web Messages, as they are baked in, won’t change after a week, and has been consistent since forever. Sure suck on my end when they ping my iPad instead of my phone, but that’s on me.
On the Mac, I can run MacOS, BSD Unix, and via VMware, Windows and Ubuntu.
On phone/tablet, I can build an app that works on every mobile device of that class shipped in the last 6 years.
On Windows and Android, I have to test apps across a massive combination of features, and even then, there are some with strange configurations that will break the app.
You don’t need to choose. It’s just a matter of the right tool for the job. I use a Mac for all of my work stuff because it’s so effortless and easy. I use a PC for gaming on and I use Linux for my servers.
Doesn’t need to be one or the other, pick your job and pick the tool that lets you get the job done the most efficiently or easiest.