captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 11:19
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Are you deigning to tell me that the cisalpine Gauls are civilized?
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 03:45
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So they say this study is in Praehistorische Zeitschrift, but they don’t link to it, or give the issue, or the date, or the title of the paper, or the names of the authors? And they don’t ask any other historians or archeologists for an opinion?
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca
on 06 Dec 05:31
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Finally someone who cares for journalist integrity
Thanks—I made the mistake of going directly to the journal’s site and searching there.
Some impressions after quickly reading the paper:
They start with the assumption that iron-age warriors took stimulants before battle (based on a comparison to other selected cultures, rather than any direct evidence) and look for any possible relevant artifacts, rather than starting with the artifacts and trying to deduce their use from the context of the finds
They present no corroborating evidence like chemical residues or association with containers that might have held stimulants. They do mention a type of wooden box found in other graves, but no suggestion that the occurrences are correlated; they also mention metal containers found in female graves—but since the spoonlike artifacts are only found with male burials, there’s clearly a negative correlation.
If stimulant use were as widespread as the prevalence of the artifacts suggests, you’d expect some mention by contemporary Romans or Greeks (especially given the famous description of cannabis use among the Scythians by Herodotus, and the fondness of later historians for imitating him), or some survival into medieval practice or folklore
They mention a number of psychoactive plants based on their potential availability, not evidence of actual use—and not all of them are stimulants, or appropriate for inhalation.
There’s no suggestion that the spoons were a standard size, as would be expected if they were intended for measuring drug doses.
In short, the paper seems a lot more speculative than the Newsweek article implies.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Dec 04:07
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Well yeah, Schwarzenegger has admitted to being on steroids as they were legal at the time.
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Did they also find needles and rubber tubing? 🤔
and lighters đź¤
It’s hard to shoot up in a back alley when back alleys aren’t a thing yet.
I think you solved the mystery of ancient Newgrange
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d63add2a-572a-4606-b80f-6f09ae31c808.webp">
Yeah that looks like a good place to shoot up heroin.
They used torches for that.
"Barbarians"? Really?
Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbier?
Modern ones do too, quite often.
So Persians? Gauls? Romans? Latins? Goths?…
Barbarians are one of the most non specific groups
no like the rpg class /s
Transalpine riffraff, the lot of em
Are you deigning to tell me that the cisalpine Gauls are civilized?
So they say this study is in Praehistorische Zeitschrift, but they don’t link to it, or give the issue, or the date, or the title of the paper, or the names of the authors? And they don’t ask any other historians or archeologists for an opinion?
Finally someone who cares for journalist integrity
www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/…/html?srs…
The title of the study is “In a narcotic trance, or stimulants in Germanic communities of the Roman period”
Its literally the first result if you Google “Praehistorische Zeitschrift Stimulants”. It’s pretty easy to find.
Thanks—I made the mistake of going directly to the journal’s site and searching there.
Some impressions after quickly reading the paper:
They start with the assumption that iron-age warriors took stimulants before battle (based on a comparison to other selected cultures, rather than any direct evidence) and look for any possible relevant artifacts, rather than starting with the artifacts and trying to deduce their use from the context of the finds
They present no corroborating evidence like chemical residues or association with containers that might have held stimulants. They do mention a type of wooden box found in other graves, but no suggestion that the occurrences are correlated; they also mention metal containers found in female graves—but since the spoonlike artifacts are only found with male burials, there’s clearly a negative correlation.
If stimulant use were as widespread as the prevalence of the artifacts suggests, you’d expect some mention by contemporary Romans or Greeks (especially given the famous description of cannabis use among the Scythians by Herodotus, and the fondness of later historians for imitating him), or some survival into medieval practice or folklore
They mention a number of psychoactive plants based on their potential availability, not evidence of actual use—and not all of them are stimulants, or appropriate for inhalation.
There’s no suggestion that the spoons were a standard size, as would be expected if they were intended for measuring drug doses.
In short, the paper seems a lot more speculative than the Newsweek article implies.
Well yeah, Schwarzenegger has admitted to being on steroids as they were legal at the time.
If spoons are suggesting things too you, maybe you are already on drugs.