homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 19 Feb 2025 21:40
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It’s possible, but a huge PITA. Learning how to do it, that is. Once you know all the magic incantations and have your potions and elixirs available, it’s easy enough.
Most of the “how to” guides don’t mention all the little crap you need to know so it takes a lot of trolling through forums to find why this next step isn’t working.
Khlo@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Feb 2025 23:12
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How does GrapheneOS play with folding phones? Nicely?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Feb 2025 02:34
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Probably as well as any other stock Android ROM, because that’s all it is, plus a few security patches on top.
I have a galaxy phone but haven’t pursued the idea of installing grapheneOS on it as I thought it would be impossible. Please share you arcane knowledge of the unholy incarnations.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 19 Feb 2025 19:04
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Do Linux next 🐸
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 19 Feb 2025 19:23
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gimme a decent rom guaranteed to work with my six-year-old unsupported hardware
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 19 Feb 2025 19:45
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Sir, I am regarded but I am sure we got somebody on fedi who can properly opine on this request
Telorand@reddthat.com
on 19 Feb 2025 20:42
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sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 19 Feb 2025 21:23
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Sorry didn't realize you were asking for ROM
Lineageos is your best bet.
Telorand@reddthat.com
on 19 Feb 2025 20:42
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I’m still waffling between CachyOS and Bazzite. 😆
truxnell@infosec.pub
on 20 Feb 2025 00:56
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I’ve been daily driving bazzite for a few months, I would highly recommend you give it a distro hop for a bit to see if it fits you.
The main downside is getting used to the atomic mindset and changing how you install your tooling
Telorand@reddthat.com
on 20 Feb 2025 02:13
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I actually have it on a laptop, because I wanted something virtually bulletproof that my SO could have that just works. No worrying about broken configs or leftover cruft.
Just undecided if I want it on my main desktop. I’ve had a few minor but annoying issues with it, though nothing unworkable. Ricing is sometimes problematic, and that’s something I enjoy. I really like the build process, though, and how you can downstream your own version, and I like ostree backups (plus I can’t wait for bootc).
unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Feb 2025 20:23
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Last I recall, Vanadium lags behind customized-Firefox in privacy features, and even more behind the Tor Browser.
Having a tool like Noscript is absolutely necessary, with today’s browsers, if you want to fight fingerprinting.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 19 Feb 2025 21:30
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The clowns just wsnt to run all these code on PC man... Why don't you let them?
Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Feb 2025 02:02
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What service provider are you using with Graphene? I want to de google but it seems a wasted effort when I have FI
Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Feb 2025 03:51
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I’m able to use Organic Maps with RH Voice with the sandboxed Google Play + Android Auto Graphene uses for my travelling/cycling/Public-transit map needs.
Mint Mobile. I’m fine with 5GB/5G:$15/month ~$185/year. 🤘😁.
I download flac songs/albums for off line use with Tidal when not streaming on WiFi.
PipePipe for YouTube/etc stuffs. 720p or background playback to save bandwith/battery isn’t bad.
Perhaps this will motivate makers of web browsers to finally get serious about making fingerprinting less easy. Looking at you, Mozilla.
slazer2au@lemmy.world
on 19 Feb 2025 17:24
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Mozilla already has anti fingerprint settings.
shininghero@pawb.social
on 19 Feb 2025 17:48
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Yes, but with a few caveats. Last time I used the ‘Resist Fingerprinting’ option, it made window resizing funky and some sites flat out rendered wrong.
It needs some polish and some user controls.
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Feb 2025 17:58
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That’s the tradeoff you have to make. Your window size is a good fingerprint, so spoofing the size makes sense. But websites that need to window size for legitimate reasons are breaking.
nyankas@lemmy.ml
on 19 Feb 2025 18:21
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I unfortunately can’t really see how a browser could still be nice to use and properly resist fingerprinting.
The site amiunique.org/fingerprint tries to fingerprint your browser and lists the used attributes along with their uniqueness within their dataset. And while a browser could pretty reliably lie about its User Agent or Platform, it’s often just necessary for a modern website to know, for example, what your view-port’s resolution is or what kind of audio/video codecs your device supports. Going through my own results, I’d say combining these necessary data points is probably enough to identify me, even though I’m pretty privacy-conscious.
Maybe I’m overly pessimistic, but I think preventing fingerprinting would need a regulatory instead of a technical solution. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem very likely anytime soon.
schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
on 19 Feb 2025 18:41
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I’d say combining these necessary data points is probably enough to identify me
The EFF has had a couple of websites that would profile you on exactly this data, so you’re completely correct in that even the basic normal required metadata is more than enough to identify you pretty well.
coveryourtracks.eff.org is where it’s living now, and a quick glance shows that just using browser capabilities and such is absolutely enough to identify me.
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Feb 2025 19:30
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haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com
on 19 Feb 2025 22:40
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Thats very good thank you
flames5123@lemmy.world
on 20 Feb 2025 03:52
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This helps so much more on mobile using an app. Thank you for your service!
rainrain@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Feb 2025 20:40
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I’ve been using browsers for a couple of decades without digital fingerprinting and it’s nice enough for me. I see no need to make it nicer.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Feb 2025 02:29
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Such as?
Every browser can be fingerprinted, even Tor browser, which goes out of its way to resist fingerprinting. The only way to really avoid fingerprinting is to not use JavaScript, which is extremely limiting.
Dkarma@lemmy.world
on 20 Feb 2025 04:38
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Browser?
Lol they own Android…it’s the entire os. They’re fingerprinting every android phone.
There are extentions for Firefox that randomise most of that. They add random supported codecs for example, enough to make it believable, not enough to make it a unique combination.
It’s not perfect, nothing is, but it seems to be good enough.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 19 Feb 2025 19:24
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Getting away from Google isn’t easy, but it’s required.
hellfire103@lemmy.ca
on 20 Feb 2025 03:10
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You mean it didn’t already?
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world
on 20 Feb 2025 23:01
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After reading these reports of intensified fingerprinting I decided to block all scripts on my browser using uBlock. Can’t do much regarding the IP tho
threaded - newest
Me loving GrapheneOS intensifies.
Chromium and Webview ripped out and replaced with hardened Vanadium.
Man, I had gaming scheduled for this weekend. I guess I gotta move up my plan to backup everything and switch over to GrapheneOS.
Its a pretty easy switch and has some nice perks like disabling the software restictions on the USB C port so you can actually hook up displays
If you have a Pixel, yes.
If you have a Galaxy, you’re in for some s**t
I thought it wasnt even possible on a galaxy
It’s possible, but a huge PITA. Learning how to do it, that is. Once you know all the magic incantations and have your potions and elixirs available, it’s easy enough.
Most of the “how to” guides don’t mention all the little crap you need to know so it takes a lot of trolling through forums to find why this next step isn’t working.
How does GrapheneOS play with folding phones? Nicely?
Probably as well as any other stock Android ROM, because that’s all it is, plus a few security patches on top.
I have a galaxy phone but haven’t pursued the idea of installing grapheneOS on it as I thought it would be impossible. Please share you arcane knowledge of the unholy incarnations.
Do Linux next 🐸
gimme a decent rom guaranteed to work with my six-year-old unsupported hardware
Sir, I am regarded but I am sure we got somebody on fedi who can properly opine on this request
Maybe /e/OS?
Sorry didn't realize you were asking for ROM
Lineageos is your best bet.
I’m still waffling between CachyOS and Bazzite. 😆
I’ve been daily driving bazzite for a few months, I would highly recommend you give it a distro hop for a bit to see if it fits you. The main downside is getting used to the atomic mindset and changing how you install your tooling
I actually have it on a laptop, because I wanted something virtually bulletproof that my SO could have that just works. No worrying about broken configs or leftover cruft.
Just undecided if I want it on my main desktop. I’ve had a few minor but annoying issues with it, though nothing unworkable. Ricing is sometimes problematic, and that’s something I enjoy. I really like the build process, though, and how you can downstream your own version, and I like
ostreebackups (plus I can’t wait forbootc).Last I recall, Vanadium lags behind customized-Firefox in privacy features, and even more behind the Tor Browser.
Having a tool like Noscript is absolutely necessary, with today’s browsers, if you want to fight fingerprinting.
The clowns just wsnt to run all these code on PC man... Why don't you let them?
All I known is DivestOS is dead as is Mull 😮.
And there’s things Vanadium/web view offer that Android Firefox never can:
By default Vanadium’s JIT JavaScript is blocked. Can easily turn off regular JavaScript if ya want on site settings.
The Madaidans article lacks relevance, we are talking about fingerprinting.
That’s just not true, many of those are things that Android Firefox likely won’t do, but that doesn’t mean they can’t do it.
That said, I care more about privacy than theoretical attacks. Companies are tracking me, black hats might attack me.
Yeah I’m going with a Murena phone and /e/os installed, as they’re both European.
What service provider are you using with Graphene? I want to de google but it seems a wasted effort when I have FI
I’m able to use Organic Maps with RH Voice with the sandboxed Google Play + Android Auto Graphene uses for my travelling/cycling/Public-transit map needs.
Mint Mobile. I’m fine with 5GB/5G:$15/month ~$185/year. 🤘😁.
I download flac songs/albums for off line use with Tidal when not streaming on WiFi.
PipePipe for YouTube/etc stuffs.
720por background playback to save bandwith/battery isn’t bad.Thunderbird for my gmail account.
But in process of moving to Tuta.
According to multiple users on the GrapheneOS forum it works just fine discuss.grapheneos.org/d/…/2
Perhaps this will motivate makers of web browsers to finally get serious about making fingerprinting less easy. Looking at you, Mozilla.
Mozilla already has anti fingerprint settings.
Yes, but with a few caveats. Last time I used the ‘Resist Fingerprinting’ option, it made window resizing funky and some sites flat out rendered wrong.
It needs some polish and some user controls.
That’s the tradeoff you have to make. Your window size is a good fingerprint, so spoofing the size makes sense. But websites that need to window size for legitimate reasons are breaking.
How else could it be? The window size directly identifies you AND determines the page layout.
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I unfortunately can’t really see how a browser could still be nice to use and properly resist fingerprinting.
The site amiunique.org/fingerprint tries to fingerprint your browser and lists the used attributes along with their uniqueness within their dataset. And while a browser could pretty reliably lie about its User Agent or Platform, it’s often just necessary for a modern website to know, for example, what your view-port’s resolution is or what kind of audio/video codecs your device supports. Going through my own results, I’d say combining these necessary data points is probably enough to identify me, even though I’m pretty privacy-conscious.
Maybe I’m overly pessimistic, but I think preventing fingerprinting would need a regulatory instead of a technical solution. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem very likely anytime soon.
The EFF has had a couple of websites that would profile you on exactly this data, so you’re completely correct in that even the basic normal required metadata is more than enough to identify you pretty well.
coveryourtracks.eff.org is where it’s living now, and a quick glance shows that just using browser capabilities and such is absolutely enough to identify me.
For the lazy: coveryourtracks.eff.org
Thats very good thank you
This helps so much more on mobile using an app. Thank you for your service!
I’ve been using browsers for a couple of decades without digital fingerprinting and it’s nice enough for me. I see no need to make it nicer.
Such as?
Every browser can be fingerprinted, even Tor browser, which goes out of its way to resist fingerprinting. The only way to really avoid fingerprinting is to not use JavaScript, which is extremely limiting.
Browser?
Lol they own Android…it’s the entire os. They’re fingerprinting every android phone.
There are extentions for Firefox that randomise most of that. They add random supported codecs for example, enough to make it believable, not enough to make it a unique combination.
It’s not perfect, nothing is, but it seems to be good enough.
Getting away from Google isn’t easy, but it’s required.
You mean it didn’t already?
After reading these reports of intensified fingerprinting I decided to block all scripts on my browser using uBlock. Can’t do much regarding the IP tho