The fediverse won’t succeed at putting up a #Stackoverflow substitute and that’s a problem?
Just an impression: All the pieces seem to be there. But what’s required is a team, with devs, PMs and
from maegul@hachyderm.io to fediverse@lemmy.ml on 12 May 2024 06:49
https://hachyderm.io/users/maegul/statuses/112426782041796040
from maegul@hachyderm.io to fediverse@lemmy.ml on 12 May 2024 06:49
https://hachyderm.io/users/maegul/statuses/112426782041796040
The fediverse won’t succeed at putting up a #Stackoverflow substitute and that’s a problem?
Just an impression: All the pieces seem to be there. But what’s required is a team, with devs, PMs and coordinators, dedicated to making a particular place in the #fediverse .
That’s resources and decently sized financial and organisational demands, especially to get a critical mass of users.
Does the fediverse have up to that challenge? If not, is it an issue with addressing?
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Can you make your case why that would be a problem?
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Some, maybe many, hope for the decentralised model of the fediverse to “take back the internet”. Each time a commercial platform “enshitifies“, there are then calls for the fediverse to replace it with a federated alternative, in part to take advantage of the moment of user agitation.
But, IMO, resources and financial support are a touchy topic in the fediverse. If such has lead to a mismatch between ambition and opportunity, and, capability, that may be worth addressing.
There might be people who think this didn’t clarify things completely. Others might go so far as to theorise that this form of phrasing is very distracting. There are even those, possibly lots, who wager this level of vagueness will not amount to a very fruitful conversation, nevermind actual changes.
I’d opt into targeted ads for a federated S-O service, personally. The site is a huge database and needs safe-keeping, and that’s not free or even cheap. Tastefully placed ads that don’t pop over or ruin the printed copy I’d totally go for.
😂 are you trying to goad the Fediverse into making an answer repository?
Surely a better approach would be you trying to build (and lead) a team rather than this weird immature approach? 🤷🏾♂️
yea … it’s just a chat about the fediverse, come on. I, like many here AFAICT on the fediverse, are here out of interest in the ecosystem/idea, and so are happy to talk about it.
I fully support discussion and actually encourage it, but, and this is just personal preference, it must be done in an honest and open way.
For the record, a recent discussion about this can be found here lemmy.ml/post/15471632
I’m aware of the previous post, I’d commented in the discussion already.
Otherwise, sorry to say, but I really am not sure what you’re talking about here. What sort of purpose could dishonesty here possibly serve other than plain trolling or drama milling (both of which seem unlikely on the face on my post)?
If you’re serious about “goading”, apart from planting ideas and expressing demand, I don’t think any other post like this could possibly influence devs into doing something serious like this.
Lemmy can do it just fine. I ask all my programming-relates questions over here.
Yeah. All we have to do is start asking.
I dont think thats accurate. The problem here is data quality. In SO you likely get few but good answers because the system is designed that way. Thats why its not done here a lot. I tried asking code and sysadmin stuff here. The amount of hate and bs answers you get is shocking. SO is also insanely moderated. Something that isnt really feasible for mainline lemmy.
I think a fork of lemmy would work though. With the karma requirement that SO has to post and the same requirements.
SO is a meritocracy. Its not a nice feeling to not be able to answer a question. But it works. because you have to ask questions first, then comment and then post answers (iirc). this would not work on lemmy. but a special fork together with an instance (or many) could work imo.
Disclaimer: I designed and wrote a couple of programs for a company I created and others. it worked well. Not saying I know everything. Just my ideas.
PS: I made a mastodon fork to recreate linkedin/xing feel free to leave a star)
Why fork though? You can still create an instance with strict rules and karma requirements (with help of new plugin system?).
Thats not a bad idea. I might look into this. The karma requirement would not be the only thing. Making it impossible to comment until you asked a question is going to be hard I guess, no?
If you‘re down for it, lets discuss this and make a design draft for a faithful copy of SO under lemmy. I am willing to work for it. Just cant do it alone.
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I guess the new plugin system is capable for those features but unfortunately I have to reject. I already have some hobby projects in mind but I don’t even have time for them because of my job.
Amen. Same problem here. But feel free to hit me up if you find someone who wants to do it. I wouldnt mind helping with design stuff since that meeds different skills than coding.
I suppose you dont have to look up code often, yes? Because SO is the goto for many devs and searching for answers to most general code questions lead there.
Obviously, the design leads to absurd situations sometimes since not everyone is allowed to post an opinion piece. You will likely rather get no answer than a wrong one. In that case you either have achieved a really niche problem or you should try asking another way or you might be looking at the problem the wrong way.
Yes and no, I’d say. I think there’s something to be said for specialising UIs and platforms, and SO strikes me as something that benefits from some of that. Lemmy could certainly be the base of a SO substitute, IMO, but putting it on a separate instance with some specialised UI and policies and even dedicated development of some additional features/tooling on lemmy core as is necessary, could go quite far to making a SO work well.
Federation could still work well, though friction would likely develop between the UIs, which could hopefully be managed over time.
Any community recommendations?
I think what we mainly lack is people asking questions, not a particular set up of tech.
The power of SO was never the software. It was the relentless effort the team put into community building and making sure site was valuable both as an interactive experience and as an archive.
You can’t code yourself out of that effort.
Yea. That’s more or less what I had in mind. This isn’t merely a matter of writing the software. Like I said, many of the pieces are basically here already. It’s building the place/platform, which has to include a whole bunch of just “work” including the moderation that you mention.
Additionally: adoption is a feature you can’t design. Any site that’s just people talking is either firmly established or in deep trouble. The middle ground cannot last.
Funny fact I just was thinking about asking if we could have good alternative for Stackoverflow that supports federation.
IDK if we’re really missing any software features, but I feel like it’s a good opportunity for a Lemmy plugin
Yep.
I think some sort of flair like feature for marking posts as questions and marking accepted or best answers as such are missing. Flairs are desire anyway. Tags perhaps as well.
Then, if there are to be “super votes”, such as the OP accepting an answer or even a moderator highlighting an answer, that would be new too.
If the UI can communicate with a plug-in, I’d imagine that could all be plugin side.
what is the situation ATM for plugins affecting the UI in custom ways?
But yea, this seems like maybe a perfect test case for the plug-in system.
Good lord please no.
Forget federated stackoverflow, give me federated Gardening.StackExchange!