Which allow users to connect with others via their own Friendica server,
Wouldn’t it be helpful to state that you can also sign up at an existing instance? Or is that less encouraged for friendica? I suppose being so personal that would make sense.
Most software developers aren’t interested in being website admins for every Tom, Dick, and Harry. They’re building the software for other people to host websites, not to run a social networking site for you.
It’s not like the phpBB devs are hosting random car enthusiast websites.
Supervisor194@lemmy.world
on 10 Jan 03:21
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Nobody said they are. However, “a great fediverse alternative to Facebook” does not mean, in the minds of most people who might read it: “you could host a website that would serve as a great fediverse alternative to Facebook.”
I think that it’s a pretty reasonable assumption that intersection of people familiar with alternativeto and the people interested in seeking Facebook alternatives on the fediverse are also more than capable of spinning up a friendica instance on an rpi
Friendica is federating with Mastodon etc. and also Lemmy etc.
FlorisJan@kbin.melroy.org
on 10 Jan 00:50
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Seems to with work with Mbin as well
rockSlayer@lemmy.world
on 10 Jan 06:14
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Friendica is starting to seem like a fantastic option to serve as a hub account to the fediverse! There’s a reason people liked Facebook at one point, and I think they’re on the right track to advancing the idea with less corrupting influences
Letting people who aren’t on all the time keep their accounts isn’t really bloating the figures. Deleting you after a few months of inactivity is a dick move yo
Yeah I’d agree that that’s a short amount of time. I was moreso just giving my opinion on why a for profit platform may not delete anyone unless they explicitly have to or are asked to
I don’t remember what server it was, maybe they had a good reason. I guess around 2016 there was a short boom that resulted in a lot of inactive accounts after a few months…
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Jan 01:27
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Friendica is part of the fediverse and can talk to mastodon, lemmy etc. Plenty of users out there
The thing about Federation is that one server of a few hundred users can federate with all the other servers of a few hundred units and also other Federated services.
The next thing you know, you have a social network graph of millions of people, on thousands of servers (and not one ad).
I know. But that is one of the bigger servers, and there aren’t that many at the moment. I think a facebook-style friend-based social network is going to struggle to boot-strap itself into a reasonable network density, at least in the foreseeable future. I don’t know what it would take to get non-techy pleb users to leave Facebook en masse.
Generals interest networks like Lemmy and mastodon have a much easier time getting started.
Thanks! I'm sure I will, it'll probably just take some time. :)
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Jan 00:49
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if you’re capable and have a server, i recommend spinning up pixelfed and friendica instances for your parents and families. they’re probably the simplest fediverse apps to install too.
it’s one thing for you to move, it’s another thing to be able to get your parents and family to move over.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
on 10 Jan 02:06
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how would you recommend pitching it? I know all the sweet unix/linux things, and freedom and such, but how would you pitch it in a way that your parents would care about?
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Jan 02:25
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well most of the time - at least for me - they’re just there for the rest of the family so if you can get the rest of the family on there and then maybe let them invite their friends, that’s all they really need
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
on 10 Jan 03:32
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that’s what I’m worried about for mine, they’ve become addicted to the slop
you’ll also need to remember to interact with the platform like you were with them in public, for a few reasons. Plus the Internet could stand to be less harsh
This is something that I hope fediverse developers and OSS developers start focusing on: making installation and self-hosting much simpler. Currently trying to set up self-hosted anything is a gigantic pain in the ass if you’re not already an experienced sysadmin.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Jan 02:44
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i wonder if a geocities or ezboard style could work
so uh ... I've been sorta contemplating preinastalled hardware. Think a mini pc you plug into your router. Or even a minipc that replaces your router and has a clean UI for picking a handful of curated self-hosted stuff you want.
You could buy the hardware as a simple jumping off point to learn more or (and here is where I am not sure if there's a market) you could pay me (or other sysadmins like me) to support it.
What if self-hosted stuff worked a bit like your HVAC,. electrical or plumbing?
kilgore_trout@feddit.it
on 10 Jan 07:48
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Docker containers are the solution and we already have it.
Not much though :) you can add a subdomain via the web control panel, run the server diagnostics, go back to the new domain and apply a Lets Encrypt certificate - done.
I don’t have any problem with the idea of a website where you can go to share things with your friends, family, coworkers, etc.
For me, the biggest problem is that there’s way too many opportunities for you to interact with people you don’t have any real connection to.
Unless you have mutual friends, you shouldn’t see anything someone else is posting, sharing, liking, or commenting on. The only thing you should see from them is a name, profile picture, and a short bio when you search for them.
There shouldn’t be public pages for businesses, celebrities, etc. Everything you see on Facebook should be there because someone you actually know thought that it should be shared with their friends.
And if, for some reason there must be public pages, then you should only see what your friends are commenting on those pages, not complete strangers.
There shouldn’t be public groups that just anyone can join. Groups should be limited to people you’re actually connected to in some way. Not that you necessarily need to be friends directly, but you should be able to trace a clear line of mutual friends connecting any two people in the group together. There shouldn’t be a public “we love bowling” (for example) group that anyone can join, but if you started a bowling league and wanted to start a group for it, you might start with Jeff, Walter, and Donny who all know each other, then Jeff adds his friend Smoky who also wants to join, and then Smoky adds his friend Liam who adds his friend Jesús, etc. Jeff may not be directly friends with Jesús, but they’re connected by actual people so they can be in the same group. And Jesús and Jeff wouldn’t get to see anything each other do outside of that group because they’re not friends and don’t even have any immediate mutual friends. Their entire relationship is through the bowling league.
Want to talk to, follow, and share things with strangers? Go join a forum, get on Lemmy/reddit, use Twitter, start a blog, publish a book, send an op ed into the local newspaper, etc. That’s what those platforms are for. Facebook is for talking to people you know.
Friendica and other Facebook like platforms don’t really solve those problems, but since they’re smaller and less businesses and such are on them it kind of feels like they do.
That’s my 2¢ on the matter anyway.
i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jan 00:17
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Sooo… Early Myspace?
jagged_circle@feddit.nl
on 10 Jan 17:52
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idk, it helped me get laid in Uni. That’s what it was created-for
I loved the original idea. You’d join with a college email and you got to find other people at your school. Once they opened the flood gates it was never the same.
@Emperor@MudMan it's similar to Myspace in the sense that you can add custom themes in the settings menu, and even add customizations to your profile and background image using bbcode.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
on 10 Jan 01:30
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Have they figured out how to make access-controlled posts (i.e. friends-only, or for specific subgroups) work with ActivityPub federation, or are all your posts public and visible to anyone, as on Mastodon? If people are going to start using this platform, there will need to be an option for making posts visible only to friends (and “followers only” is not a viable alternative).
Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jan 06:31
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I’m not sure how functional it is but this is what I get when creating a post.
It's been years since I actively used Friendica, but AFAIK the project has always had some form of "circles" that you can choose to share individual posts with? I don't know if it's been streamlined to translate into federation, though.
Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jan 15:01
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Ah, didn’t knew that it’s been there for so long and that they meant the activitypub specifically. In that case it should be safe to assume that nothing of progress was made in that regard unless there was a pressure on the feature.
labbbb2@thelemmy.club
on 11 Jan 00:57
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There is HumHub and Hubzilla also
GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jan 00:06
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Wouldn’t it be helpful to state that you can also sign up at an existing instance? Or is that less encouraged for friendica? I suppose being so personal that would make sense.
Most software developers aren’t interested in being website admins for every Tom, Dick, and Harry. They’re building the software for other people to host websites, not to run a social networking site for you.
It’s not like the phpBB devs are hosting random car enthusiast websites.
Nobody said they are. However, “a great fediverse alternative to Facebook” does not mean, in the minds of most people who might read it: “you could host a website that would serve as a great fediverse alternative to Facebook.”
I think that it’s a pretty reasonable assumption that intersection of people familiar with alternativeto and the people interested in seeking Facebook alternatives on the fediverse are also more than capable of spinning up a friendica instance on an rpi
Right, but here for example, I’m not hosting anything myself. I’m participating courtesy of a generous guy with spare server resources.
The software might be, but what makes a social network is the network effect, and the biggest public english friendica server has a few hundred users.
I had an account in like 2016, but it got deleted after a few months due to inactivity…
Friendica is federating with Mastodon etc. and also Lemmy etc.
Seems to with work with Mbin as well
Friendica is starting to seem like a fantastic option to serve as a hub account to the fediverse! There’s a reason people liked Facebook at one point, and I think they’re on the right track to advancing the idea with less corrupting influences
I think what will prove key is it federating beyond ActivityPub, as it works with Bluesky and diaspora.
That small of a userbase and they still nuke accounts for being inactive?
They don’t have a monetary incentive to bloat their figures.
Letting people who aren’t on all the time keep their accounts isn’t really bloating the figures. Deleting you after a few months of inactivity is a dick move yo
Yeah I’d agree that that’s a short amount of time. I was moreso just giving my opinion on why a for profit platform may not delete anyone unless they explicitly have to or are asked to
I don’t remember what server it was, maybe they had a good reason. I guess around 2016 there was a short boom that resulted in a lot of inactive accounts after a few months…
Friendica is part of the fediverse and can talk to mastodon, lemmy etc. Plenty of users out there
Does it much in practice though? I’m on mastodon and Lemmy a lot, and don’t see any friendica accounts out and about…
You wouldn’t know them if you did see them. They look like any other account
The domain name would still give it away no? I remember when narwhal.city was still a thing, I discovered lotide thanks to one user from one instance
I mean if you recognise friendica domain names, yeah, but most folks don’t
True, I do see a few when I search for friendica domains, and they do have federated content.
The thing about Federation is that one server of a few hundred users can federate with all the other servers of a few hundred units and also other Federated services.
The next thing you know, you have a social network graph of millions of people, on thousands of servers (and not one ad).
I know. But that is one of the bigger servers, and there aren’t that many at the moment. I think a facebook-style friend-based social network is going to struggle to boot-strap itself into a reasonable network density, at least in the foreseeable future. I don’t know what it would take to get non-techy pleb users to leave Facebook en masse.
Generals interest networks like Lemmy and mastodon have a much easier time getting started.
I made an account there today but haven't really figured out how it works yet.
You will get the hang of it!
Thanks! I'm sure I will, it'll probably just take some time. :)
if you’re capable and have a server, i recommend spinning up pixelfed and friendica instances for your parents and families. they’re probably the simplest fediverse apps to install too.
it’s one thing for you to move, it’s another thing to be able to get your parents and family to move over.
how would you recommend pitching it? I know all the sweet unix/linux things, and freedom and such, but how would you pitch it in a way that your parents would care about?
well most of the time - at least for me - they’re just there for the rest of the family so if you can get the rest of the family on there and then maybe let them invite their friends, that’s all they really need
that’s what I’m worried about for mine, they’ve become addicted to the slop
It doesn’t need to be all or nothing for them at first. If you share on it maybe they’ll share some thing there too slowly.
you’ll also need to remember to interact with the platform like you were with them in public, for a few reasons. Plus the Internet could stand to be less harsh
This is something that I hope fediverse developers and OSS developers start focusing on: making installation and self-hosting much simpler. Currently trying to set up self-hosted anything is a gigantic pain in the ass if you’re not already an experienced sysadmin.
i wonder if a geocities or ezboard style could work
so uh ... I've been sorta contemplating preinastalled hardware. Think a mini pc you plug into your router. Or even a minipc that replaces your router and has a clean UI for picking a handful of curated self-hosted stuff you want.
You could buy the hardware as a simple jumping off point to learn more or (and here is where I am not sure if there's a market) you could pay me (or other sysadmins like me) to support it.
What if self-hosted stuff worked a bit like your HVAC,. electrical or plumbing?
Docker containers are the solution and we already have it.
Docker is not simple or intuitive for someone who is not already a sysadmin.
Second that. I consider myself an experienced user by general standards, but I still have certain issues wrapping my head around Docker/Podman.
We cannot expect everyday users to use containers with ease.
Yunohost is a couple of clicks and done. The only problem is you need subdomains to put the apps on so you need to know a little about DNS.
Not much though :) you can add a subdomain via the web control panel, run the server diagnostics, go back to the new domain and apply a Lets Encrypt certificate - done.
Impressive
I mean on the DNS provider like cloud flare. In yunohost it is very easy they have done amazing work on it.
If you want to host your own instance, there are also managed hosting offers for Friendica, e.g. by Weingärtner-IT (from 4€/month) or Spacehost (20€).
To get to know Friendica, however, I would recommend simply creating an account and testing it out, first.
Honestly not sure if the concept of Facebook was so great to begin with actually…
A platform to communicate specifically with IRL friends?
That’s called a group chat.
A group chat…on what platform?
Email
That modern? Not carrier pigeon or calling card delivered by one’s gentleman’s gentleman?
The family stone tablet
Really? Especially after lockdown, the idea to specifically communicate in non-realtime with friends/family seems quite useful to me.
The general concept of Facebook I think is fine
I don’t have any problem with the idea of a website where you can go to share things with your friends, family, coworkers, etc.
For me, the biggest problem is that there’s way too many opportunities for you to interact with people you don’t have any real connection to.
Unless you have mutual friends, you shouldn’t see anything someone else is posting, sharing, liking, or commenting on. The only thing you should see from them is a name, profile picture, and a short bio when you search for them.
There shouldn’t be public pages for businesses, celebrities, etc. Everything you see on Facebook should be there because someone you actually know thought that it should be shared with their friends.
And if, for some reason there must be public pages, then you should only see what your friends are commenting on those pages, not complete strangers.
There shouldn’t be public groups that just anyone can join. Groups should be limited to people you’re actually connected to in some way. Not that you necessarily need to be friends directly, but you should be able to trace a clear line of mutual friends connecting any two people in the group together. There shouldn’t be a public “we love bowling” (for example) group that anyone can join, but if you started a bowling league and wanted to start a group for it, you might start with Jeff, Walter, and Donny who all know each other, then Jeff adds his friend Smoky who also wants to join, and then Smoky adds his friend Liam who adds his friend Jesús, etc. Jeff may not be directly friends with Jesús, but they’re connected by actual people so they can be in the same group. And Jesús and Jeff wouldn’t get to see anything each other do outside of that group because they’re not friends and don’t even have any immediate mutual friends. Their entire relationship is through the bowling league.
Want to talk to, follow, and share things with strangers? Go join a forum, get on Lemmy/reddit, use Twitter, start a blog, publish a book, send an op ed into the local newspaper, etc. That’s what those platforms are for. Facebook is for talking to people you know.
Friendica and other Facebook like platforms don’t really solve those problems, but since they’re smaller and less businesses and such are on them it kind of feels like they do.
That’s my 2¢ on the matter anyway.
Sooo… Early Myspace?
idk, it helped me get laid in Uni. That’s what it was created-for
I loved the original idea. You’d join with a college email and you got to find other people at your school. Once they opened the flood gates it was never the same.
Well, that's a hell of a pitch. I hope the codebase gets updated more frequently than the blurb.
What about MySpace and Friends Reunited?
@Emperor @MudMan it's similar to Myspace in the sense that you can add custom themes in the settings menu, and even add customizations to your profile and background image using bbcode.
Also a hell of a pitch.
Have they figured out how to make access-controlled posts (i.e. friends-only, or for specific subgroups) work with ActivityPub federation, or are all your posts public and visible to anyone, as on Mastodon? If people are going to start using this platform, there will need to be an option for making posts visible only to friends (and “followers only” is not a viable alternative).
I’m not sure how functional it is but this is what I get when creating a post.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/3e8e3fdd-7036-414a-99a7-ec482d48021a.webp">
It's been years since I actively used Friendica, but AFAIK the project has always had some form of "circles" that you can choose to share individual posts with? I don't know if it's been streamlined to translate into federation, though.
Ah, didn’t knew that it’s been there for so long and that they meant the activitypub specifically. In that case it should be safe to assume that nothing of progress was made in that regard unless there was a pressure on the feature.
There is HumHub and Hubzilla also
Email