ericjmorey@discuss.online
on 11 Oct 2024 02:43
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Accounts in which authentication has been provided seems like a better measure.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 16:25
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The interesting thing to note is each website I go to that looks at the total number of lemmy users is wildly different. Im wondering if there is some sort of blocker/defederated instance occurred a couple of months ago? Im not sure.
If you vote, post or comment, you count as active user.
Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Oct 2024 17:19
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You count as active if you post, comment or vote.
atocci@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 17:26
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Bit discouraging tbh
Blaze@feddit.org
on 08 Oct 2024 17:31
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Nice post on 3D printing
Assman@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Oct 2024 20:31
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You could have a promising career in finance
nimpnin@sopuli.xyz
on 08 Oct 2024 17:40
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Insane to start the plot at 45k. The rate of decline is rather minimal
InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee
on 08 Oct 2024 18:02
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The starting point is just so you can adequately see trends for both plots shown and is quite sane. I also don’t know if I could call an ~5% decline and clear trend minimal either.
If you start the plot at 0, you can distinguish between a strong trend, a weak trend and a lack of a trend. This one is terrible for gauging that.
InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee
on 08 Oct 2024 20:56
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All starting at 0 would do is ensure that you have no way to accurately gauge the data points values. It would also just compress the data to an incomprehensible smudge of a line.
InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee
on 08 Oct 2024 21:04
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Showing the data over an entirely different timescale than what’s currently under discussion means nothing in this context to illustrate your point.
Starting from 0 on the y axis just means you need to change the scale, which like I said makes reading any data points incomprehensible, or end up with an unnecessary amount of whitespace.
That’s the point. The number of users has very slightly declined in the past few months. Under the original plot, you have a lot of people (rightly) misinterpreting the data, and saying that a lot of users are leaving the site.
That’s why you start at 0. So that people interpret the data correctly.
InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee
on 08 Oct 2024 21:32
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If you start at zero, the exact same data is shown as when there is a clearly labeled breakpoint. It contributes nothing other than obscuring the data points and scope of discussion is only for the past month. You’re not making a cogent point.
Just like I said before, a 5% decline is not an insignificant drop or “very slightly declined.” Expanding the scope of the argument to show that it’s actually a far steeper decline in user engagement and then arguing the opposite point is misinterpreting the data. Expanding the scope just shows that the trends are continuously showing declining user engagement with no organic growth other than Reddit fucking up.
You talk as if you don’t understand how plots work. If the change looks like a 90% drop, that’s how it’s going to be perceived.
Moreover, if you do start from 0 you instinctively see the 5% drop, and can make the conclusion that it’s big or small yourself. If you don’t do that, you need to calculate numbers. People don’t do that. They see line go down, and get the impression from that.
Any drop would look the same on the initial plot. 5%, drop 50% drop, 0.005% drop. The ’start your y axis at 0’ rule has a lot of exeptions, but this is not one of them. In fact, it’s the quintessential example of lying with a plot.
If you want to see the actual values for each timestep, there are better tools for that. Such as a table.
Explaining all of this feels bizarre. You are de facto trolling by this weird contrarianism.
Voltage@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Oct 2024 18:04
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In the last 3 months it went down by about 10,000 users. Comparing with the rate of increase in total Lemmy users, active user rate should have at least been stable. I guess we will have to wait for reddit to fuck up again for another influx. And Lemmy is only getting better with time so probably on every influx more users are going to stay.
I try to get people from niche subs I follow to move to Lemmy but every time I do I get downvoted. Could be automated by reddit idk
Blaze@feddit.org
on 08 Oct 2024 19:51
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I try to get people from niche subs I follow to move to Lemmy but every time I do I get downvoted. Could be automated by reddit idk
Have you tried opening your comments from a private window? Sometimes they get shadow removed too
Takumidesh@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 22:03
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People generally don’t like being proselytized.
danc4498@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 01:27
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Right. Just make great lemmy content and screenshot it. Then when people ask for the source you provide the lemmy link
Or only mention it to people actively looking for an alternative. I see that from time to time, then I point them to /r/RedditAlternatives where most of the posts are about Lemmy
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net
on 08 Oct 2024 17:54
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It used to be a much more significant decline, it seems to have leveled off mostly at 45k, so those who are left are pretty dedicated. I’m sure we’ll get another influx if Reddit messes up badly again.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 18:07
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Again the interesting thing is that a lot of other sites have a huge difference in numbers. But they are all saying the same thing, “Active” users are declining or getting close to equilibrium but number of users are increasing. Strange.
I personally think that piefed/mastodon/other servers federating with lemmy might be messing up the numbers in some way. Both pumping up the numbers and making others “go down” in different sites and how they are pulling the data. Like if I respond via my mastodon account, is that a “new” account? Does that make it pop up as an active user? If I dont repost it via the mastodon account for a while, will I now be an inactive account, even though I still look at lemmy with it? Im not sure.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 19:23
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I’ve BEEN saying this for a while now. How Lemmy users need to welcome new people with interests that are different than their own. People from different generations than their own.
I’ve given ideas how to make starting an account easier. The concept of picking a home instance for someone who’s never heard terms like “instance”, “federated” or “decentralized” can be quite intimidating to start. And if you fuck up, and randomly choose the wrong instance? You have to start over. All your comment history gets left behind.
So people are going to choose the most active instance, trusting the idea that OTHER people know what they’re doing.
I gave the idea that Lemmy needs to adopt standards across all instances so you can push a button and move your account. All your data would come with you.
Instead I was given a list of technical reasons why it would never work. The basis of these reasons came down to “it won’t work because it would be a lot of work”.
I hear a lot of people on here complain about corporate greed, and enshitification, but you gotta admit that they do get shit done.
In 2010 Steve Jobs was reviewing the new iphone prototype. Jobs said he wanted it slimmer, and wanted it airtight. The developers said it was pretty airtight, and there was no more room inside to make it slimmer.
Essentially telling Jobs that his demands were not going to be met because it would be a lot of work. So Jobs stood up, grabbed the prototype, walked to a fish tank, and dropped it in. It sank, and bubbles came out. Thus destroying it.
He said “See that? Bubbles. There’s air inside, which means there’s room inside. It also not airtight. Make it smaller, and make it airtight.” Then he left the room. When it released to the public, the final design was smaller, and airtight.
Not saying it WON’T be hard work to make true account migration a reality, but it IS possible. The developers just figuratively need their prototype dunked in a metaphorical fish tank.
Because until this process is easier, and users are greeted with a friendlier userbase, people are just going to sign up, realize they fucked up, realize the experience isn’t great, and leave. If they have access to reddit, they will leave.
It seems everytime I search for a topic all the results are from a year ago. Which suggests to me that reddit fucked up, users exploded here, gave it a chance, disliked it, and left.
Meanwhile, I point out just SOME of the glaring problems. But instead of embracing the problem and starting a think tank on how to fix it, my posts are instead turned into an echo chamber of how wrong I am. How the ideas will never work, and the problems presented persist to this day.
All because I’m thinking from the perspective of the normie 95%, and not the linux minded 5%. Which really places an artificial self installed glass ceiling on top of you.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net
on 08 Oct 2024 20:01
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I think your idea is a good one, and I’d like to see that happen someday.
I would point out though, that Apple was a behemoth company with large teams and massive budgets (essentially unlimited resources). Whereas Lemmy is just two guys barely scraping by a living wage from donations while slowly tackling an endless list of bug reports and feature requests.
Tossing Lemmy in the equivalent of a fish tank to motivate the devs would, most likely, just cause extreme burnout and a throwing up of hands. They are resource and time limited to a pretty extreme degree considering how popular Lemmy has become, and that should be appreciated and taken into account.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 20:22
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I I wasn’t talking in a place where the developers gather. I was talking here. With other users, whom I assumed would have the health of the fediverse in mind.
The idea wasn’t me stating a final idea of “do this now!”. It was more of a starting point of a think tank. I was expecting to start the batton running, and pass it off to the next idea, or the continuation of the idea.
Instead, nobody joined in. Nobody took the batton. They swatted the batton down, and collectively said “No batton! No change!”
Blaze@feddit.org
on 08 Oct 2024 20:56
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They swatted the batton down, and collectively said “No batton! No change!”
That’s not what happened. People just agreed that other features have a higher priority.
I was expecting to start the batton running, and pass it off to the next idea, or the continuation of the idea.
I think I see what you’re saying. Lemmy is indeed a place where it’s very easy to get involved, and people get involved in different ways. A lot of us just pick a community and start posting regularly. Some of us adopt dormant communities and bring them back to life. Others contribute by becoming mods or admins or setting up their own instances or debugging/coding. Even those people who were giving you reasons why the “transfer your account easily” project was difficult, they were helping you by telling you the challenges involved. Whenever a well-run project is started, you think about the hurdles, risks, and mitigations, then integrate those into your project plan.
I encourage you to keep getting involved. The trick is to find the right level of involvement for you, then sticking with it and seeing it through.
Blaze@feddit.org
on 08 Oct 2024 20:51
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but you gotta admit that they do get shit done.
I opened Reddit again today to have a look at my local city sub, where I’m an (inactive) mod, the interface to moderate now offers a terrible experience. Bloated, clunky, slow. So I’m not so sure they get things done.
All your comment history gets left behind.
What’s the big deal with you leaving an old account behind? Lemmy has no karma, if you keep the same username (and even more with the same picture), people are going to recognize you, you can even add links to both accounts in the bio to make sure. I’m on probably my 10th alt, people still recognize me from time to time, whatever the account.
Instead I was given a list of technical reasons why it would never work. The basis of these reasons came down to “it won’t work because it would be a lot of work”.
As @ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net pointed out, the 2 main developers have limited time and resources. What is the community supposed to do, threaten them to leave will the vast majority finds account migration a non-critical feature?
The concept of picking a home instance for someone who’s never heard terms like “instance”, “federated” or “decentralized” can be quite intimidating to start.
Email has been working on a federation model for decades. People have to remember if they use Gmail or Outlook, but that’s it. It’s similar here.
There is a whole community here who has no idea what an instance or federation is, but they still use this community, and post 100 comments every 3 days. The platform is similar enough to Reddit for them to use. And I can tell you very confidently none of them (between 100 and 150 monthly active users) use Linux.
It seems everytime I search for a topic all the results are from a year ago.
Of course if you ask questions on a very niche topic on a dead community nobody will answer. That’s what !newcommunities@lemmy.world threads are for, to make active communities emerge.
There is even quiblr.com if people want more tailored suggestions
The statement about comment history is inconsiderate. People absolutely care about their content. I don’t have to know nor care for their reasons why but it is important to users.
being able to access past discussions? Still possible from an alt
wanting to keep their persona and reputation? Use same name and add links both ways in the bios
I can’t think about anything else, but if anyone knows, feel free to jump in
Serinus@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 22:44
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I agree with your argument, but not what you’ve applied it to.
“Federation” isn’t the main feature of Lemmy, and we don’t need to focus on it. It’s enough that it exists. When selling a house, would the first thing you focus on be the insurance rates if something goes wrong?
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 00:11
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I’m gonna say it, Blockchain might actually have a usecase for Lemmy accounts.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 00:32
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I’m unclear what that means.
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 03:36
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You could decentralize user accounts so that they aren’t attached to any instance, or at least the account owner can move their account from one instance to another.
NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml
on 09 Oct 2024 09:19
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This would be way easier to implement without blockchain. Data portability doesn’t require any of the consensus mechanisms or distributed computation, even if they would result in user data being portable.
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 21:46
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If your instance disappears, then how can you make sure that you could use your same username on an instance that is created after that one disappears?
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Oct 2024 15:28
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I agree with you that the onboarding process is complicated for a user that doesn’t want to invest time into learning how the fediverse works.
I think that is a positive thing.
The good thing about the Fediverse is that it isn’t profit driven, it isn’t necessary to grow without end, and because of this it also isn’t necessary to appeal to the mass of users who don’t want to learn how things work here. It’s a filter, weeding out the people who aren’t open to new structures - that often comes paired with the inability to have open minded discussions.
I do agree with you regarding the missing transfer options, but since karma isn’t a thing here, a simple import/export function for subscribed communities and blocked items should suffice, and shouldn’t be too hard to implement.
nimpnin@sopuli.xyz
on 08 Oct 2024 20:56
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Active users (monthly is what you should be looking at) is very slowly declining, however we are still above the level that we were before the most recent influx.
Blaze@feddit.org
on 08 Oct 2024 21:03
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Very interesting, thanks!
fossilesque@mander.xyz
on 08 Oct 2024 21:42
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They’ll be back.
JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 22:36
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Gotta ask why it seems to slowly decline after each influx, tho, rather than slowly rise or stay stable.
Seems at least some of these people are not liking what they find.
Emperor@feddit.uk
on 08 Oct 2024 23:16
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Gotta ask why it seems to slowly decline after each influx, tho, rather than slowly rise or stay stable.
Because there is a big influx of people looking for a new home and some of them don’t feel this is it and move on.
What is Interesting about the graph is that the drop-off after Rexxit was much steeper and, despite the drops, the numbers don’t go below the level they were before.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml
on 09 Oct 2024 00:50
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Sometimes you need u/spez to give you a couple more blows before you say “fuck it, fuck this”. It happened to me.
jaybone@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 02:51
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Does he give blows?
jagged_circle@feddit.nl
on 09 Oct 2024 06:18
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You had to send a few bitcoin through the glory hole first, but yes
selokichtli@lemmy.ml
on 09 Oct 2024 12:33
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He makes transactions. If passion is lacking in your life, don’t get overexcited.
Indeed, actually the change in calculation makes it hard to actually evaluate
Nednarb44@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 00:08
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Well that was anticlimactic, but I appreciate the information
Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Oct 2024 15:04
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The decline might be because instance owners have strengthened the account creation process. I remember in “the early days” how there were an insane amount of bots, but now it seems like most of them have been banned or mitigated.
Blaze@feddit.org
on 08 Oct 2024 17:32
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The other data shows that posts and comments are going up linearly (a little suspicious but OK), but I wonder how the modlog affects the data (meaning how is it captured and when). I made one comment to a honest post yesterday (hosted on a remote instance), which then the post was deleted by admins like so:
Removed Post Any app for call recording ?
reason: Rule 2: Please use !askandroid@lemdro.id for support questions.
So my comment shows in my history but cannot actually be accessed; was this comment counted? was that post counted? Was I counted as an active user yesterday if that was the only activity I did all day? Was the one person who upvoted my comment before the thread was deleted counted?
Lies, damn lies and statistics. :)
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 18:13
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Yeah thats another good one. Its almost like it would be useful to see what each tracker would do in the following scenarios:
Create a persona instance with a couple of accounts (like 3)
See what each site says
Create a post/ create comment/ upvote sample post.
Ban an account (How many active users are now being counted? How many comments? Did that comment/post go away retroactively?)
other such experiments…
Let everyone know the results.
Wish I had more time.
mayo@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 18:50
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I feel like lemmy is in a decent place right now. The main page is busy enough with a good amount of OC and alright discussion. It’s a lot to ask for 1000+ active niche communities. I have a few things that bug me and I’m not sure ballooning members would fix it: reddit-like anti-social behaviour, excessive reposts, and posts about MAGA people. I’ve blocked a lot of communities, some users, and very few nsfw instances.
dipdowel@feddit.nl
on 08 Oct 2024 18:54
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I’m a super happy new Lemmy user. Last week, I created an account on Reddit for the first time ever. I replied to 3 posts in a polite manner and right on topic (in a Linux-related community, someone asked for a book recommendation. The other two were answers to technical questions on Rust and Linux). A couple of hours later, I was reading about what shadowban meant. I waited a few days, sent some messages to admins / support but to no avail. Then I searched for alternatives to Reddit and landed here. It’s been 4 days, and I absolutely love it here. Lemmy seems to have that spirit of the Internet of the 90s, which I thought was long gone. Also, my assumption is that Lemmy users are of a higher quality than those on Reddit. It’s very easy to end up on Reddit / IG / Facebook / etc. On the other hand, to become a Lemmy user, one actually needs to apply some effort and do at least some research. Or to have a cool friend who can recommend becoming a user here (if you have a cool friend, that makes you kind of cool too, right?). I should probably start telling my friends about Lemmy 🤔
Blaze@feddit.org
on 08 Oct 2024 19:09
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Welcome here!
Emperor@feddit.uk
on 08 Oct 2024 23:12
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Lemmy seems to have that spirit of the Internet of the 90s, which I thought was long gone.
That’s what I like about the Fediverse too. After Big Tech started hoovering up eyeballs, I got disenchanted but this has put fire back in my belly.
Agent641@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 00:04
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Welcome…
Comrade.
lohky@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 19:11
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I migrated over to Lemmy a few weeks ago when the piece of shit Reddit app refused to load any posts but continued to load ads. I have found this community to be far more interactive, kind, and enjoyable to discuss pretty much anything with. I haven’t found a reason to return to reddit at all.
MyOpinion@lemm.ee
on 08 Oct 2024 19:30
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I have found Lemmy the most interactive of all the social networks I am a part of. It is my main home now.
KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz
on 08 Oct 2024 21:48
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Its my home too. Does this make us flatmates?
Estebiu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Oct 2024 22:41
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in this damn economy renting a flat on your own has become impossible…
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 12:47
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Get off my lawn
Blaze@feddit.org
on 08 Oct 2024 19:50
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Welcome!
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 22:30
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I haven’t been to Reddit since the API debacle and don’t plan to
FartVentriloquist69@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Oct 2024 20:16
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Lemmy at first was Abit barren but I’m super happy with it now. Let’s hope we don’t see reddit collapse and the masses turn their attention here like the digg event
Chill_Dan@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 22:05
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My biggest complaint is it’s dominated by memes, and in a distant second is news, and that’s kinda it. We need so much more diverse content still.
Rolando@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 22:11
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What I do to get around that is: subscribe to communities that are not memes, news, or tech, then read new posts by “subscribed” and “scaled”. When I run out of those, read “all” to find new communities to subscribe to.
tempest@lemmy.ca
on 08 Oct 2024 22:13
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Be the change you want to see!
Anyway those are probably the lowest effort content which is why you see it most. Over time though the other forms will come. Most of Reddits front-page is memes and news for the same reason.
Blaze@feddit.org
on 08 Oct 2024 22:26
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PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 00:06
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Sort by “active” that’s where the most discussion is happening
FartVentriloquist69@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Oct 2024 03:18
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Memes are the key
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 03:37
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I’m only but one person.
barsquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 23:38
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I hope Lemmy doesn’t become overrun with reddit’s far-right psychos after reddit collapses.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Oct 2024 23:45
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We can’t stop them from using Lemmy either. They’ll come.
But this time we can defederate from servers that tolerate intolerance.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 06:35
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Also encouraging our local instance admins who are or seem receptive to not tolerate the intolerant.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
on 09 Oct 2024 00:40
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i’m not completely confident that those far-right psychos are even real people for the most part. Reddit is probably the most botted place on the internet.
Fish@midwest.social
on 09 Oct 2024 01:28
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Like Facebook, Reddit will probably just become a cesspool of conservative morons. I’m fine with them staying on Reddit. I don’t think it’s gonna “collapse” anytime soon.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 06:41
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I imagine that many will flock to right-wing friendly instances that end up widely defederated. Most of them though will go back to 4chan and other similar sites.
Exploding Heads is a Nazi instance that many people don’t even know about because of how defederated it is.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 19:07
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Was, it’s no longer in existence currently. Many of them moved to Nostr, though some of their members came back to Lemmy and set up the hilariouschaos Lemmy instance.
So long as the Israeli bot networks stay off of here. I don’t like how China is discussed here but it’s a function of the type of people this place attracts, i.e not fans of authority.
sweetpotato@lemmy.ml
on 09 Oct 2024 06:14
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On one hand I think it’s very positive that everyone starts using decentralised platforms that don’t run on profit, that work for their users and not their shareholders, but on the other hand having a space mostly without conservatives is great.
FartVentriloquist69@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Oct 2024 00:43
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Politics is so stupid and bipolar
masquenox@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 2024 20:50
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It’s amazing to me just how hassle-free it is to use Lemmy as opposed to reddit.
Rddit just feels like it’s actively trying to get you to leave it.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Oct 2024 23:58
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Interesting. May I ask how?
Because with old.reddit and RES it really doesn’t feel much different (apart from the vibes in the communities)
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 00:06
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Can’t even visit certain subs without their shit app.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de
on 09 Oct 2024 00:09
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I stopped using reddit on mobile, so I exclusively use the website. Might be different there
selokichtli@lemmy.ml
on 09 Oct 2024 00:38
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Yeah, old.reddit is like a dam for users that will flow with the fediverse sooner or later.
Yes, I feel like the days of old reddit are numbered. We better be ready for the influx of new users when they close it.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 09 Oct 2024 02:30
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How is that you can no longer use any of the third-party apps that used to make it a good experience, and also everything you say and do on the website is being sold to data-hoarders to power AI.
jagged_circle@feddit.nl
on 09 Oct 2024 06:10
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Vibes are def getting worse the more folks flock in from reddit.
Agent641@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 00:04
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Reddit is like the late Roman Empire. It looks fine on the outside, but it’s corrupt all the way down, powered by unpaid labor, and the lead pipes are slowly killing everyone.
Piemanding@sh.itjust.works
on 09 Oct 2024 02:43
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PugJesus@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 02:54
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No, no, the pipes are fine (mostly). They have calcium buildup that prevents lead leeching.
The REAL major source of lead poisoning in the Empire is much stupider - knowingly making wine syrup in lead pots because the lead makes it taste sweeter. Despite knowing that lead is toxic af.
There’s probably an apt comparison in that to Reddit as well.
Just wouldn’t want any newcomers to the history communities to up and think the place was dead! Lemmy cannot live on Linux alone 🙏
keegomatic@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 03:35
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Oh shit you mean like AskHistorians? Is there enough density now for that?
PugJesus@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 03:38
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I answer on AskHistorians, but don’t post there. But I’d love to see activity there too! Mostly I run three history meme communities (HistoryMemes, RoughRomanMemes, and ShermanPosting), and four communities for sharing historical images of interest (HistoryPorn [not my choice of name, it’s just for photos], HistoryIllustrations, HistoryRuins, and HistoryArtifacts)
keegomatic@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 03:41
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That’s great. The history communities on the other site were such great quality on average and I miss them. How do you have time to do all that?
PugJesus@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 03:43
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Know where to look to grab pics real quick + Light moderation load + Not many other hobbies + Work from home with downtime between tasks
keegomatic@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 04:22
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Keep up the good work
jagged_circle@feddit.nl
on 09 Oct 2024 06:06
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And meme free space
TriflingToad@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 12:59
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are you entirely a human? you post really often
PugJesus@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 13:53
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No, I’m part metal. Helps to keep going longer than mere organics, but getting through the airport is a bitch.
More seriously, I take 2-4 times a day to grab some pics from my stashes and post them real quick on my regular communities. Takes maybe 15 minutes each time. 60 minutes every day is a good chunk, but it’s far from grueling.
Now, my FOMO causing me to check my notifications every moment I get free time? That’s a little more grotesque.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 06:27
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I don’t think lemmy would be what it is without the contributions of any one of these three- let alone all of them.
psoul@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 02:47
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Which iOS client are y’all using? The native Lemmy website was just way too slow in loading and refreshing posts. I’m using Memmy but it often crashes when searching for communities…
Gemini24601@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 02:52
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I myself use voyager, but there are many different clients available.
Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de
on 09 Oct 2024 15:17
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Because that is the only valid date format, ever, everywhere. There are just too many of them in this graph.
Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee
on 09 Oct 2024 15:24
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I really hate graphs that start at 99% and top off at 100%
The gain is really next to nothing in the 2 months shown in this graph. It goes from ~1,456,000 to 1,468,000… which is a 00.8% increase, less than 1%.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Oct 2024 17:05
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Yep we’re gaining 1’000 new accounts every couple days, maybe every week. Which is pretty cool given we have an average of 40’000 active users. But nothing compared to the total of 1.5 million accounts. The vast vast vast majority of which are dead. Made one year ago to check out lemmy and never came back.
There’s also lots of people who made an account in multiple instances before realizing that you don’t have to do that
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Oct 2024 17:46
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Or people like me who keep on switching instances because they want to find the perfect one that blocks everything they don’t like and federates with everything they like.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 09 Oct 2024 17:50
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Microcosm of online dating behavior spotted
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Oct 2024 18:23
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Already got a wife so now I’m looking for the perfect instance I guess 😂
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 09 Oct 2024 18:25
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Can’t users just block entire instances themselves now? So the trick would be to join one that broadly follows your interests and cut down as required.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Oct 2024 18:23
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Blocking instances doesn’t block their users. Only defederation does that.
Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee
on 10 Oct 2024 14:00
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People make throwaways all the time for services like this. I expect lemmy to be no different.
Monthly active users would be a better statistic to track imo. That gives you a real idea as to how big the community is.
Anecdotally, content wise does seem better than a few months ago. Unfortunately lots of it seems to be highly polarizing and hateful stuff when you look at all communities. Othering seems to be as strong as ever, if not stronger. Probably because hate groups can just setup their own instances or take over parts of existing ones without much blowback like they would get on other sites.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Oct 15:42
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Yeah I don’t feel like it feels much larger. But at the same time my blocklist has added 30+ accounts in the last couple of months.
Old_Yharnam@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 17:45
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We need more femboys
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 09 Oct 2024 17:52
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Femboys, cats, and femboys dressed as cats. The foundation of any healthy forum site.
superkret@feddit.org
on 09 Oct 2024 17:45
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I don’t care about “number go up”.
Lemmy now has enough users to provide plenty of content, and really interesting new communities I’ve never seen on that other website are starting to pop up.
It also has its own memes and culture already.
You don’t have 1000 comments under every meme post, but the comments that are there are usually worth reading.
It’s not a reddit replacement - it’s much better.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 09 Oct 2024 17:54
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tl;dr - We don’t want the most users. We want the best users.
meep_launcher@lemm.ee
on 09 Oct 2024 17:59
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Fair, but I do like seeing the federated model thrive and prove itself as a viable alternative to main stream social media. My utopian dream would be that profit driven internet would fall apart against what we have. I hate how much power is given to so few.
One of the nice things about Lemmy is that you actually get replies under your posts/comments and it’s not just repeating phrases to earn as much karma as possible. There’s always a sweet spot of engagement in online communities and I feel like we’re pretty close to where it begins. Other sites just make you feel like you’re shouting into the void.
They kinda do though. I can’t post about my gaming niche in a gaming community because it’s barely tangential, and still haven’t found 99% of the communities I had on Reddit.
Simracing. We don’t relate to typical gaming at all. It’s all high end hardware, all very specialized and typically doesn’t interest normal gamers.
Subreddit mods are very against Lemmy or anything that moves them off the platform. The absolute butthurt rage for weeks after the protests proved that one right.
Mostly I just don’t see this platform as an alternative for medium sized communities. It works for large ones where there’s enough people that after a move if 25% transfer then you still have a lively community. Or for small communities where you can get 70%+ to move. But those mid size, 100k users on average communities trying to get them to move just ends up with a ghost town here.
I’m actually a mod over there, but as a general consumer of content, there’s not enough to make it a viable community. It’s seen a little more activity recently, but is overall a fairly small and dead community.
squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Oct 2024 05:37
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That’s why I try to post more. It might be a problem that it’s hosted on lemmy.ml though, as some instances block them.
You guys might consider moving it to a more consensual instance. You are on discuss.tchncs.de, that could be an option.
Feel free to also post about it on !newcommunities@lemmy.world , there might be other people interested on the topic
pineapplelover@lemm.ee
on 09 Oct 2024 19:27
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Lemmy is one of the most harmful platforms I’ve ever been on.
Not even on Reddit have I spent so much time on here. Quality content and engaging conversations taking so much of my time and doomscrolling. I love you guys, keep it up.
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lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
Code behind the site: gitlab.com/diasporg/poduptime
How does that site count active accounts?
Vote, post or comment
Seems like a severe undercounting
Always difficult to accurately count lurkers
Accounts in which authentication has been provided seems like a better measure.
The interesting thing to note is each website I go to that looks at the total number of lemmy users is wildly different. Im wondering if there is some sort of blocker/defederated instance occurred a couple of months ago? Im not sure.
Either way, number of users are up.
I think counting fediverse users is about as difficult as counting e-mail adresses.
Your probably right. And if an instance defederates with others, it may look like the number of users dropped without actually dropping.
active users are declining<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/187841c1-2c0a-4897-ac60-bbf65798d2fd.png">
What counts as an active user? If you are a lurker do you still count as an active user?
If you vote, post or comment, you count as active user.
You count as active if you post, comment or vote.
Bit discouraging tbh
Nice post on 3D printing
You could have a promising career in finance
Insane to start the plot at 45k. The rate of decline is rather minimal
The starting point is just so you can adequately see trends for both plots shown and is quite sane. I also don’t know if I could call an ~5% decline and clear trend minimal either.
If you start the plot at 0, you can distinguish between a strong trend, a weak trend and a lack of a trend. This one is terrible for gauging that.
All starting at 0 would do is ensure that you have no way to accurately gauge the data points values. It would also just compress the data to an incomprehensible smudge of a line.
Let’s put that to a test
<img alt="" src="https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/1618ff87-0066-44a7-852a-69ffc77a3f22.webp">
Showing the data over an entirely different timescale than what’s currently under discussion means nothing in this context to illustrate your point.
Starting from 0 on the y axis just means you need to change the scale, which like I said makes reading any data points incomprehensible, or end up with an unnecessary amount of whitespace.
If you start at 0, you see exactly what you’re supposed to: there is a rather negligible trend in the given timeframe.
<img alt="" src="https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/bc4e1c88-000d-4901-bc70-f989d7808b27.webp">
That’s the point. The number of users has very slightly declined in the past few months. Under the original plot, you have a lot of people (rightly) misinterpreting the data, and saying that a lot of users are leaving the site.
That’s why you start at 0. So that people interpret the data correctly.
If you start at zero, the exact same data is shown as when there is a clearly labeled breakpoint. It contributes nothing other than obscuring the data points and scope of discussion is only for the past month. You’re not making a cogent point.
Just like I said before, a 5% decline is not an insignificant drop or “very slightly declined.” Expanding the scope of the argument to show that it’s actually a far steeper decline in user engagement and then arguing the opposite point is misinterpreting the data. Expanding the scope just shows that the trends are continuously showing declining user engagement with no organic growth other than Reddit fucking up.
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I’ve been asking myself the exact same thing.
The top level comment on this thread, to which you complained about graphical syntax, is discussing the MAU decline over the past 30 days.
You talk as if you don’t understand how plots work. If the change looks like a 90% drop, that’s how it’s going to be perceived.
Moreover, if you do start from 0 you instinctively see the 5% drop, and can make the conclusion that it’s big or small yourself. If you don’t do that, you need to calculate numbers. People don’t do that. They see line go down, and get the impression from that.
Any drop would look the same on the initial plot. 5%, drop 50% drop, 0.005% drop. The ’start your y axis at 0’ rule has a lot of exeptions, but this is not one of them. In fact, it’s the quintessential example of lying with a plot.
If you want to see the actual values for each timestep, there are better tools for that. Such as a table.
Explaining all of this feels bizarre. You are de facto trolling by this weird contrarianism.
In the last 3 months it went down by about 10,000 users. Comparing with the rate of increase in total Lemmy users, active user rate should have at least been stable. I guess we will have to wait for reddit to fuck up again for another influx. And Lemmy is only getting better with time so probably on every influx more users are going to stay.
I try to get people from niche subs I follow to move to Lemmy but every time I do I get downvoted. Could be automated by reddit idk
Have you tried opening your comments from a private window? Sometimes they get shadow removed too
People generally don’t like being proselytized.
Right. Just make great lemmy content and screenshot it. Then when people ask for the source you provide the lemmy link
Or only mention it to people actively looking for an alternative. I see that from time to time, then I point them to /r/RedditAlternatives where most of the posts are about Lemmy
It used to be a much more significant decline, it seems to have leveled off mostly at 45k, so those who are left are pretty dedicated. I’m sure we’ll get another influx if Reddit messes up badly again.
ifwhenAgain the interesting thing is that a lot of other sites have a huge difference in numbers. But they are all saying the same thing, “Active” users are declining or getting close to equilibrium but number of users are increasing. Strange.
I personally think that piefed/mastodon/other servers federating with lemmy might be messing up the numbers in some way. Both pumping up the numbers and making others “go down” in different sites and how they are pulling the data. Like if I respond via my mastodon account, is that a “new” account? Does that make it pop up as an active user? If I dont repost it via the mastodon account for a while, will I now be an inactive account, even though I still look at lemmy with it? Im not sure.
I’ve BEEN saying this for a while now. How Lemmy users need to welcome new people with interests that are different than their own. People from different generations than their own.
I’ve given ideas how to make starting an account easier. The concept of picking a home instance for someone who’s never heard terms like “instance”, “federated” or “decentralized” can be quite intimidating to start. And if you fuck up, and randomly choose the wrong instance? You have to start over. All your comment history gets left behind.
So people are going to choose the most active instance, trusting the idea that OTHER people know what they’re doing.
I gave the idea that Lemmy needs to adopt standards across all instances so you can push a button and move your account. All your data would come with you.
Instead I was given a list of technical reasons why it would never work. The basis of these reasons came down to “it won’t work because it would be a lot of work”.
I hear a lot of people on here complain about corporate greed, and enshitification, but you gotta admit that they do get shit done.
In 2010 Steve Jobs was reviewing the new iphone prototype. Jobs said he wanted it slimmer, and wanted it airtight. The developers said it was pretty airtight, and there was no more room inside to make it slimmer.
Essentially telling Jobs that his demands were not going to be met because it would be a lot of work. So Jobs stood up, grabbed the prototype, walked to a fish tank, and dropped it in. It sank, and bubbles came out. Thus destroying it.
He said “See that? Bubbles. There’s air inside, which means there’s room inside. It also not airtight. Make it smaller, and make it airtight.” Then he left the room. When it released to the public, the final design was smaller, and airtight.
Not saying it WON’T be hard work to make true account migration a reality, but it IS possible. The developers just figuratively need their prototype dunked in a metaphorical fish tank.
Because until this process is easier, and users are greeted with a friendlier userbase, people are just going to sign up, realize they fucked up, realize the experience isn’t great, and leave. If they have access to reddit, they will leave.
It seems everytime I search for a topic all the results are from a year ago. Which suggests to me that reddit fucked up, users exploded here, gave it a chance, disliked it, and left.
Meanwhile, I point out just SOME of the glaring problems. But instead of embracing the problem and starting a think tank on how to fix it, my posts are instead turned into an echo chamber of how wrong I am. How the ideas will never work, and the problems presented persist to this day.
All because I’m thinking from the perspective of the normie 95%, and not the linux minded 5%. Which really places an artificial self installed glass ceiling on top of you.
I think your idea is a good one, and I’d like to see that happen someday.
I would point out though, that Apple was a behemoth company with large teams and massive budgets (essentially unlimited resources). Whereas Lemmy is just two guys barely scraping by a living wage from donations while slowly tackling an endless list of bug reports and feature requests.
Tossing Lemmy in the equivalent of a fish tank to motivate the devs would, most likely, just cause extreme burnout and a throwing up of hands. They are resource and time limited to a pretty extreme degree considering how popular Lemmy has become, and that should be appreciated and taken into account.
I I wasn’t talking in a place where the developers gather. I was talking here. With other users, whom I assumed would have the health of the fediverse in mind.
The idea wasn’t me stating a final idea of “do this now!”. It was more of a starting point of a think tank. I was expecting to start the batton running, and pass it off to the next idea, or the continuation of the idea.
Instead, nobody joined in. Nobody took the batton. They swatted the batton down, and collectively said “No batton! No change!”
That’s not what happened. People just agreed that other features have a higher priority.
The list of upcoming features is available here: join-lemmy.org/…/2024-09-11_-_New_NLnet_funding_f…
Among them
Which one of those features would you deprioritize compared to the account migration?
I think I see what you’re saying. Lemmy is indeed a place where it’s very easy to get involved, and people get involved in different ways. A lot of us just pick a community and start posting regularly. Some of us adopt dormant communities and bring them back to life. Others contribute by becoming mods or admins or setting up their own instances or debugging/coding. Even those people who were giving you reasons why the “transfer your account easily” project was difficult, they were helping you by telling you the challenges involved. Whenever a well-run project is started, you think about the hurdles, risks, and mitigations, then integrate those into your project plan.
I encourage you to keep getting involved. The trick is to find the right level of involvement for you, then sticking with it and seeing it through.
Nice comment, also cool to see you around
I opened Reddit again today to have a look at my local city sub, where I’m an (inactive) mod, the interface to moderate now offers a terrible experience. Bloated, clunky, slow. So I’m not so sure they get things done.
What’s the big deal with you leaving an old account behind? Lemmy has no karma, if you keep the same username (and even more with the same picture), people are going to recognize you, you can even add links to both accounts in the bio to make sure. I’m on probably my 10th alt, people still recognize me from time to time, whatever the account.
As @ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net pointed out, the 2 main developers have limited time and resources. What is the community supposed to do, threaten them to leave will the vast majority finds account migration a non-critical feature?
Here’s the post I made a few days ago on /r/RedditAlternatives: old.reddit.com/…/post_to_address_the_usual_critic…
There is a whole community here who has no idea what an instance or federation is, but they still use this community, and post 100 comments every 3 days. The platform is similar enough to Reddit for them to use. And I can tell you very confidently none of them (between 100 and 150 monthly active users) use Linux.
Of course if you ask questions on a very niche topic on a dead community nobody will answer. That’s what !newcommunities@lemmy.world threads are for, to make active communities emerge.
There is even quiblr.com if people want more tailored suggestions
The statement about comment history is inconsiderate. People absolutely care about their content. I don’t have to know nor care for their reasons why but it is important to users.
Depends what they use it for
I can’t think about anything else, but if anyone knows, feel free to jump in
I agree with your argument, but not what you’ve applied it to.
“Federation” isn’t the main feature of Lemmy, and we don’t need to focus on it. It’s enough that it exists. When selling a house, would the first thing you focus on be the insurance rates if something goes wrong?
I’m gonna say it, Blockchain might actually have a usecase for Lemmy accounts.
I’m unclear what that means.
You could decentralize user accounts so that they aren’t attached to any instance, or at least the account owner can move their account from one instance to another.
This would be way easier to implement without blockchain. Data portability doesn’t require any of the consensus mechanisms or distributed computation, even if they would result in user data being portable.
If your instance disappears, then how can you make sure that you could use your same username on an instance that is created after that one disappears?
I agree with you that the onboarding process is complicated for a user that doesn’t want to invest time into learning how the fediverse works.
I think that is a positive thing.
The good thing about the Fediverse is that it isn’t profit driven, it isn’t necessary to grow without end, and because of this it also isn’t necessary to appeal to the mass of users who don’t want to learn how things work here. It’s a filter, weeding out the people who aren’t open to new structures - that often comes paired with the inability to have open minded discussions.
I do agree with you regarding the missing transfer options, but since karma isn’t a thing here, a simple import/export function for subscribed communities and blocked items should suffice, and shouldn’t be too hard to implement.
The same plot with a more reasonable y-axis:
<img alt="" src="https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/8ef76f2c-efcf-4970-a325-26ab68536778.webp">
Active users (monthly is what you should be looking at) is very slowly declining, however we are still above the level that we were before the most recent influx.
Very interesting, thanks!
They’ll be back.
Gotta ask why it seems to slowly decline after each influx, tho, rather than slowly rise or stay stable.
Seems at least some of these people are not liking what they find.
Because there is a big influx of people looking for a new home and some of them don’t feel this is it and move on.
What is Interesting about the graph is that the drop-off after Rexxit was much steeper and, despite the drops, the numbers don’t go below the level they were before.
Sometimes you need u/spez to give you a couple more blows before you say “fuck it, fuck this”. It happened to me.
Does he give blows?
You had to send a few bitcoin through the glory hole first, but yes
He makes transactions. If passion is lacking in your life, don’t get overexcited.
FTFY 🙂
That works too.
I’m probably missing something, but what are the two bumps in December and Feb from?
December changed the way active users were counting, adding the votes on top of posts and comments
February was LW applying that update
Oh so they are not new users coming in? Well that paints a pretty different picture then
Indeed, actually the change in calculation makes it hard to actually evaluate
Well that was anticlimactic, but I appreciate the information
The decline might be because instance owners have strengthened the account creation process. I remember in “the early days” how there were an insane amount of bots, but now it seems like most of them have been banned or mitigated.
!newcommunities@lemmy.world to discover active communities
If you’re new there’s resources at !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca
The other data shows that posts and comments are going up linearly (a little suspicious but OK), but I wonder how the modlog affects the data (meaning how is it captured and when). I made one comment to a honest post yesterday (hosted on a remote instance), which then the post was deleted by admins like so:
So my comment shows in my history but cannot actually be accessed; was this comment counted? was that post counted? Was I counted as an active user yesterday if that was the only activity I did all day? Was the one person who upvoted my comment before the thread was deleted counted?
Lies, damn lies and statistics. :)
Yeah thats another good one. Its almost like it would be useful to see what each tracker would do in the following scenarios:
Create a persona instance with a couple of accounts (like 3)
See what each site says
Create a post/ create comment/ upvote sample post.
Ban an account (How many active users are now being counted? How many comments? Did that comment/post go away retroactively?)
other such experiments…
Let everyone know the results.
Wish I had more time.
I feel like lemmy is in a decent place right now. The main page is busy enough with a good amount of OC and alright discussion. It’s a lot to ask for 1000+ active niche communities. I have a few things that bug me and I’m not sure ballooning members would fix it: reddit-like anti-social behaviour, excessive reposts, and posts about MAGA people. I’ve blocked a lot of communities, some users, and very few nsfw instances.
I’m a super happy new Lemmy user. Last week, I created an account on Reddit for the first time ever. I replied to 3 posts in a polite manner and right on topic (in a Linux-related community, someone asked for a book recommendation. The other two were answers to technical questions on Rust and Linux). A couple of hours later, I was reading about what
shadowbanmeant. I waited a few days, sent some messages to admins / support but to no avail. Then I searched for alternatives to Reddit and landed here. It’s been 4 days, and I absolutely love it here. Lemmy seems to have that spirit of the Internet of the 90s, which I thought was long gone. Also, my assumption is that Lemmy users are of a higher quality than those on Reddit. It’s very easy to end up on Reddit / IG / Facebook / etc. On the other hand, to become a Lemmy user, one actually needs to apply some effort and do at least some research. Or to have a cool friend who can recommend becoming a user here (if you have a cool friend, that makes you kind of cool too, right?). I should probably start telling my friends about Lemmy 🤔Welcome here!
That’s what I like about the Fediverse too. After Big Tech started hoovering up eyeballs, I got disenchanted but this has put fire back in my belly.
Welcome…
Comrade.
I migrated over to Lemmy a few weeks ago when the piece of shit Reddit app refused to load any posts but continued to load ads. I have found this community to be far more interactive, kind, and enjoyable to discuss pretty much anything with. I haven’t found a reason to return to reddit at all.
I have found Lemmy the most interactive of all the social networks I am a part of. It is my main home now.
Its my home too. Does this make us flatmates?
in this damn economy renting a flat on your own has become impossible…
Get off my lawn
Welcome!
I haven’t been to Reddit since the API debacle and don’t plan to
Lemmy at first was Abit barren but I’m super happy with it now. Let’s hope we don’t see reddit collapse and the masses turn their attention here like the digg event
My biggest complaint is it’s dominated by memes, and in a distant second is news, and that’s kinda it. We need so much more diverse content still.
What I do to get around that is: subscribe to communities that are not memes, news, or tech, then read new posts by “subscribed” and “scaled”. When I run out of those, read “all” to find new communities to subscribe to.
Be the change you want to see!
Anyway those are probably the lowest effort content which is why you see it most. Over time though the other forms will come. Most of Reddits front-page is memes and news for the same reason.
Feel free to have a look at !newcommunities@lemmy.world for other active communities
Sort by “active” that’s where the most discussion is happening
Memes are the key
I’m only but one person.
I hope Lemmy doesn’t become overrun with reddit’s far-right psychos after reddit collapses.
We can’t stop them from using Lemmy either. They’ll come.
But this time we can defederate from servers that tolerate intolerance.
Also encouraging our local instance admins who are or seem receptive to not tolerate the intolerant.
i’m not completely confident that those far-right psychos are even real people for the most part. Reddit is probably the most botted place on the internet.
Like Facebook, Reddit will probably just become a cesspool of conservative morons. I’m fine with them staying on Reddit. I don’t think it’s gonna “collapse” anytime soon.
I imagine that many will flock to right-wing friendly instances that end up widely defederated. Most of them though will go back to 4chan and other similar sites.
Exploding Heads is a Nazi instance that many people don’t even know about because of how defederated it is.
Was, it’s no longer in existence currently. Many of them moved to Nostr, though some of their members came back to Lemmy and set up the hilariouschaos Lemmy instance.
Gross, thanks for the info though.
They’d get sent to Exploding Heads, most likely.
So long as the Israeli bot networks stay off of here. I don’t like how China is discussed here but it’s a function of the type of people this place attracts, i.e not fans of authority.
On one hand I think it’s very positive that everyone starts using decentralised platforms that don’t run on profit, that work for their users and not their shareholders, but on the other hand having a space mostly without conservatives is great.
Politics is so stupid and bipolar
It’s amazing to me just how hassle-free it is to use Lemmy as opposed to reddit.
Rddit just feels like it’s actively trying to get you to leave it.
Interesting. May I ask how?
Because with old.reddit and RES it really doesn’t feel much different (apart from the vibes in the communities)
Can’t even visit certain subs without their shit app.
I stopped using reddit on mobile, so I exclusively use the website. Might be different there
Yeah, old.reddit is like a dam for users that will flow with the fediverse sooner or later.
Yes, I feel like the days of old reddit are numbered. We better be ready for the influx of new users when they close it.
How is that you can no longer use any of the third-party apps that used to make it a good experience, and also everything you say and do on the website is being sold to data-hoarders to power AI.
Vibes are def getting worse the more folks flock in from reddit.
Reddit is like the late Roman Empire. It looks fine on the outside, but it’s corrupt all the way down, powered by unpaid labor, and the lead pipes are slowly killing everyone.
That’s late stage capitalism baby. 😎
All time high all time!
No, no, the pipes are fine (mostly). They have calcium buildup that prevents lead leeching.
The REAL major source of lead poisoning in the Empire is much stupider - knowingly making wine syrup in lead pots because the lead makes it taste sweeter. Despite knowing that lead is toxic af.
There’s probably an apt comparison in that to Reddit as well.
The latest annoyance is that they will AI-translate posts and stick those into search engines.
Bad moderation is still an issue here. Like allowing people posting pictures of text or low effort meme content on comms that aren’t for memes
Feel free to create Meta posts about that.
And if you reasonable meta posts gets removed, post on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I use the report button
Sounds good, but from what you are saying, they are ignoring your reports
I guess we need more people to report it? I don’t know what their admin UI looks like, but I imagine posts with more reports sort to the top?
What might happen is that mods ignore you because they don’t care, and admins don’t want to interfere with community level moderation
I was one of them.
I also was one of them. Still am, but also was
Actually…I was two of them. me.world and me.ca
I order the club sandwich all the time, but I’m not even a member, man.
One of us!
Nerd.
Heh.
I think I was 4 of them
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With my alts I might be contibuting to 3-4 in this graph aswell
ooh, gradual
Thank you Lemmy. Reddit can go piss in the wind.
“More!!” -Kylo Ren
“MORE!”
believe it or not also Kylo Ren
Are we sure it’s counting 1.5 M users and not 1.5 M memes posted by picard, pug, and squid?
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Just wouldn’t want any newcomers to the history communities to up and think the place was dead! Lemmy cannot live on Linux alone 🙏
Oh shit you mean like AskHistorians? Is there enough density now for that?
I answer on AskHistorians, but don’t post there. But I’d love to see activity there too! Mostly I run three history meme communities (HistoryMemes, RoughRomanMemes, and ShermanPosting), and four communities for sharing historical images of interest (HistoryPorn [not my choice of name, it’s just for photos], HistoryIllustrations, HistoryRuins, and HistoryArtifacts)
That’s great. The history communities on the other site were such great quality on average and I miss them. How do you have time to do all that?
Know where to look to grab pics real quick + Light moderation load + Not many other hobbies + Work from home with downtime between tasks
Keep up the good work
And meme free space
are you entirely a human? you post really often
No, I’m part metal. Helps to keep going longer than mere organics, but getting through the airport is a bitch.
More seriously, I take 2-4 times a day to grab some pics from my stashes and post them real quick on my regular communities. Takes maybe 15 minutes each time. 60 minutes every day is a good chunk, but it’s far from grueling.
Now, my FOMO causing me to check my notifications every moment I get free time? That’s a little more grotesque.
I don’t think lemmy would be what it is without the contributions of any one of these three- let alone all of them.
Which iOS client are y’all using? The native Lemmy website was just way too slow in loading and refreshing posts. I’m using Memmy but it often crashes when searching for communities…
I myself use voyager, but there are many different clients available.
Voyager. It’s a very near approximation of Apollo’s UI.
Connect is good too.
Mlem as it has the best ui.
If this chart is right that’s pretty good, looks like this platform is getting some traction.
I like lemmy. I spend maybe an hour a day scrolling so enough content. i am happy there isnt more cuz i would spend more time here then.
Only thing missing is a lot of niches in all kind of categories, be that gaming specific subs or what the internet is rly made for.
I believe we need some Lemmynade to celebrate
I started using lemmy because of the reddit api fiasco and the platform really feels more alive now. Or maybe the bots got smarter.
I’m sure it’s little of column A and a little of column 01000010
As an AI language model, I fully agree with your last point.
Sure! I can find agreement between AI language models and actual users of lemmy decentralized communication systems with your last two points…
To find agreement with your last two points, AI language models would need to agree with both of your last two points.
First, AI language models would have to agree with your first point.
Next, AI language models would have to agree with your second and last point.
In summary you would need AI language models to agree independently to each of your two different points so that it can agree to both.
Here are my last two points and AI’s input:
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Maybe someday we will be able to beat reddit.
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Let’s hit 10 M!
It’s the year of the Lemmy Desktop!
Yes
Fck rdt. Lemmy ftw.
Data is ugly, why would you write complete ISO format dates ob the x axis? Can’t read shit on a mobile device.
I use boost and it has a HD button that makes the image readable.
feddit.org/…/0cf474dd-df46-4575-b0ec-550f5603f0d3… ?
Because that is the only valid date format, ever, everywhere. There are just too many of them in this graph.
I really hate graphs that start at 99% and top off at 100%
The gain is really next to nothing in the 2 months shown in this graph. It goes from ~1,456,000 to 1,468,000… which is a 00.8% increase, less than 1%.
Yep we’re gaining 1’000 new accounts every couple days, maybe every week. Which is pretty cool given we have an average of 40’000 active users. But nothing compared to the total of 1.5 million accounts. The vast vast vast majority of which are dead. Made one year ago to check out lemmy and never came back.
There’s also lots of people who made an account in multiple instances before realizing that you don’t have to do that
Or people like me who keep on switching instances because they want to find the perfect one that blocks everything they don’t like and federates with everything they like.
Microcosm of online dating behavior spotted
Already got a wife so now I’m looking for the perfect instance I guess 😂
Get that unicorn!
Can’t users just block entire instances themselves now? So the trick would be to join one that broadly follows your interests and cut down as required.
Blocking instances doesn’t block their users. Only defederation does that.
Ah fair didn’t realise that. I assumed it would.
People make throwaways all the time for services like this. I expect lemmy to be no different.
Monthly active users would be a better statistic to track imo. That gives you a real idea as to how big the community is.
Anecdotally, content wise does seem better than a few months ago. Unfortunately lots of it seems to be highly polarizing and hateful stuff when you look at all communities. Othering seems to be as strong as ever, if not stronger. Probably because hate groups can just setup their own instances or take over parts of existing ones without much blowback like they would get on other sites.
Yeah I don’t feel like it feels much larger. But at the same time my blocklist has added 30+ accounts in the last couple of months.
We need more femboys
Femboys, cats, and femboys dressed as cats. The foundation of any healthy forum site.
I don’t care about “number go up”.
Lemmy now has enough users to provide plenty of content, and really interesting new communities I’ve never seen on that other website are starting to pop up.
It also has its own memes and culture already.
You don’t have 1000 comments under every meme post, but the comments that are there are usually worth reading.
It’s not a reddit replacement - it’s much better.
tl;dr - We don’t want the most users. We want the best users.
Fair, but I do like seeing the federated model thrive and prove itself as a viable alternative to main stream social media. My utopian dream would be that profit driven internet would fall apart against what we have. I hate how much power is given to so few.
One of the nice things about Lemmy is that you actually get replies under your posts/comments and it’s not just repeating phrases to earn as much karma as possible. There’s always a sweet spot of engagement in online communities and I feel like we’re pretty close to where it begins. Other sites just make you feel like you’re shouting into the void.
Actually being a part of conversations is great
There is still not enough people for niche topics.
It is the eternal struggle as more users come niche communities will improve or even exist, but general communities will get worse.
Maybe not every niche needs a dedicated community.
They kinda do though. I can’t post about my gaming niche in a gaming community because it’s barely tangential, and still haven’t found 99% of the communities I had on Reddit.
Lemmy is good for /all, and that’s about it tbh
Which kind of gaming niche is it ? Are the subreddit mods open to creating a post presenting Lemmy as an alternative?
Simracing. We don’t relate to typical gaming at all. It’s all high end hardware, all very specialized and typically doesn’t interest normal gamers.
Subreddit mods are very against Lemmy or anything that moves them off the platform. The absolute butthurt rage for weeks after the protests proved that one right.
Mostly I just don’t see this platform as an alternative for medium sized communities. It works for large ones where there’s enough people that after a move if 25% transfer then you still have a lively community. Or for small communities where you can get 70%+ to move. But those mid size, 100k users on average communities trying to get them to move just ends up with a ghost town here.
Have you tried !simracing@lemmy.ml ? @squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de posted there 2 times in the last 2 days
I’m actually a mod over there, but as a general consumer of content, there’s not enough to make it a viable community. It’s seen a little more activity recently, but is overall a fairly small and dead community.
That’s why I try to post more. It might be a problem that it’s hosted on lemmy.ml though, as some instances block them.
You guys might consider moving it to a more consensual instance. You are on discuss.tchncs.de, that could be an option.
Feel free to also post about it on !newcommunities@lemmy.world , there might be other people interested on the topic
Lemmy is one of the most harmful platforms I’ve ever been on.
Not even on Reddit have I spent so much time on here. Quality content and engaging conversations taking so much of my time and doomscrolling. I love you guys, keep it up.
Least harmful you mean? Lol
Mostly harmless? I’ve brought some fish.
Bro is not touching grass because of Lemmy
Nice!