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[Solved] What just happened to 4 million posts?
from flamingos@feddit.uk to fediverse@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 18:02
https://feddit.uk/post/27373528

Stats from here: lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats

Like, has an instance gone down and if so, why hasn’t there been a comparable drop in users and comments?

Edit: Thanks to @example@reddthat.com here for pointing to zerobytes.monster becoming more aggressive against bots as the likely culprit.

Graph showing the number of Lemmy posts over time, with a large drop from ~12.5 million to ~8.75 million between the 9 April and 11 April.

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floo@retrolemmy.com on 12 Apr 18:14 next collapse

It’s probably just some technical issue. I’m sure the post didn’t actually go anywhere.

victorz@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 18:46 collapse

They just got up and left.

Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 18:21 next collapse

Interesting drop

Squorlple@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 18:27 next collapse

Believe it or not, they’re all Nicole posts removed by Lemmy.World /s

Zentron@lemm.ee on 12 Apr 19:31 next collapse

Wuuut ? Everything mentioning nicole or just posts from “her” accounts ?

Squorlple@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 19:42 collapse

Only photos and written info that could identify her. The spam accounts probably get banned as they reported. I don’t know of any posts made by any account claiming to be her?

Zentron@lemm.ee on 12 Apr 21:25 collapse

Tnx for the info , i meant the repost bots by “her”

Squorlple@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:00 collapse

Repost bots? Do you have an example, either by way of link or screenshot?

Zentron@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 12:07 collapse

No, not rly , i just hear about it from other people getting messages/seeing posts but i never recieved any

Squorlple@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 18:22 collapse

The spam DMs are real, but I think the “reposts” are scuttlebutt based on people not understanding the screenshots of the DMs that they’ve seen in their feed

turkalino@lemmy.yachts on 13 Apr 00:30 next collapse

Sorry if this has already been discussed but is anyone else worried that “Nicole’s” pictures are from the webcam on a compromised computer? They’re always from the same angle and she’s not really posing for most of them

Squorlple@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 00:32 next collapse

I think that is the general consensus — that she is likely an unwitting victim

Coelacanth@feddit.nu on 13 Apr 12:14 collapse

I believe someone found an account she did livestreams on somewhere, and the pictures are most likely screen grabs from those. The odds of the person in the pictures being behind the spam are pretty much nil.

Toribor@corndog.social on 13 Apr 21:35 collapse

Everyone on the fediverse is Nicole and you can’t prove otherwise.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 18:37 next collapse

I remember a bot purge, but I’m not sure if that was around the same time.

Hubi@feddit.org on 12 Apr 18:45 next collapse

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced…

chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 18:56 next collapse

The front fell off

m_f@discuss.online on 12 Apr 19:09 collapse

In case anyone hasn’t seen this bit:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

tisktisk@piefed.social on 12 Apr 19:22 next collapse

LOL my sides
Is this real or a bit/sketch?

jqubed@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 19:58 collapse

It’s a sketch about a real incident.

MelonYellow@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 19:28 collapse

That’s gold!

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 18:59 next collapse

It may have been lemmy.zip

It did in fact go down for about 48 hours… prompting me to make this new account on dbzer0.

Basically, the admin attempted to update to a newer lemmy version… and it failed, multiple times, and they just rolled back, restored the old version, posted an explanation and apology, and they’ll be further looking into … exactly what went wrong.

Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 19:00 next collapse

Hm, could be indeed

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 19:03 collapse

lemmy.zip/post/35999238

Here’s the post.

Evidently, Demigodrick has since fixed the problems and successfully upgraded to 0.19.11

lemmy.zip/post/36177918

EDIT: Alternate explanation: The fediverse tracker has fallen victim to Trump Tariffs as well rofl.

flamingos@feddit.uk on 12 Apr 19:10 next collapse

But zip has < 50K posts.

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 19:31 next collapse

i apparently cannot figure out ascii shrugs, nvm

I don’t know exactly how that post counter … actually, technically counts posts, but:

Zip going down could have uncounted all posts anywhere made by zip accounts.

There could have been some kind of… propogating post count negation effect, as various other instances reacted differently to zip users posts on their instances could not pull them anymore, on different time scales.

If a zip user had a … top level comment, on another instance, its possible all lower level comments responding to that comment may also have poofed out of existence, in some respect.

…

I may be misusing some terminology here, and this is just spitballing, but yeah.

Almost all of my .zip account’s posts/comments… are not on zip itself, and its possible that that is fairly common amongst .zip users.

flamingos@feddit.uk on 12 Apr 20:55 collapse

i apparently cannot figure out ascii shrugs, nvm

¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ => ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just so we’re clear, what this crawler does is go through all servers that use ActivityPub known to it, and congregate that data to a list of known services (Lemmy, Mastodon, Piefed etc.). How is does that is by querying a standardised end point to get the instance info (.well-known/nodeinfo which will then point to a different path to get the actual info).

For instance, here’s what it will collect for feddit.uk:

nodeinfo json

json // curl -s https://feddit.uk/nodeinfo/2.1 | jq { “version”: “2.1”, “software”: { “name”: “lemmy”, “version”: “0.19.10-feddit”, “repository”: “https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy”, “homepage”: “https://join-lemmy.org/” }, “protocols”: [ “activitypub” ], “usage”: { “users”: { “total”: 4184, “activeHalfyear”: 718, “activeMonth”: 485 }, “localPosts”: 25750, “localComments”: 122835 }, “openRegistrations”: true, “services”: { “inbound”: [], “outbound”: [] }, “metadata”: {} }

The important stat here is the localPosts, which is all the posts made by local users in any community, local or remote. It does not include posts by users from remote instances made in local communities. You can also see this data on the instance sidebar in lemmy-ui.

lemmy.zip going down will only reduce aggregated stats for total posts by 47,280, as that’s what they report for their localPosts.

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 21:36 next collapse

Huh.

Well, I appreciate the info and shrugging magic, but uh… hrm.

I dunno then.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ICastFist@programming.dev on 13 Apr 01:58 collapse

Do comments count as posts? Because losing all comments from an instance would probably explain such a huge dip

SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:35 collapse

Maybe they unzipped the archive? /S

tisktisk@piefed.social on 12 Apr 19:19 collapse

Is divide by zero becoming the most based instance? How did a single bro make best lemmy?!?

OpenStars@piefed.social on 12 Apr 20:05 next collapse

Bc he's just that chill, obviously! 😁

Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 22:36 next collapse

It’s a pretty cool instance. The governance is transparent with a nuanced voting system, the rules and policies are indeed based, and db0 takes decentralization so seriously that he’s apparently working on safeguarding the instance against his own influence with the governance system and admin recall votes and such.

Thanks db0 et al!

tisktisk@piefed.social on 12 Apr 23:08 next collapse

That's the most based thing I've heard all year--where can I learn more about this decentralization endeavor?

That's it--I'm making an account now. This comment sealed the deal

Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 23:17 next collapse

Welcome!

!div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com should be it

grue@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 23:23 next collapse

Db0 is super into decentralization! Everybody should make their account there!

…wait.

Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 23:23 collapse

More details in the announcement post: “Adding two new admins and introducing radical recalls”

The voting system allows for the community to decide on instance policies, federation decisions, even a process for instantly recalling admins like himself. He acknowledges that as server owner there is only so much that can be done to limit his power, but he appears to walk the walk. Cool stuff.

[deleted] on 12 Apr 23:22 collapse

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 22:58 collapse

I’d say dbzer0 is probably the most leftist, at least from what I’ve seen. I personally don’t go as far as being an anarchist but can appreciate the philosophy. I probably have more in common with anarchy than democratic/plurality governance, if I’m being honest with myself.

moakley@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 23:04 next collapse

Lately I’ve been seeing a lot of comments coming from that instance that are indistinguishable from the ones I see from .ml.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 04:00 collapse

There are secret tankies. But instance admins do not like tankies.

If they start denying/downplaying Tiananmen Massacre, they will get banned.

dbzer0 is just very anti imperialism of all types, USA, Russia, China, is all bad.

The admin db0 does have a distrust in democracy and the electoral process and they have a “don’t vote in elections” stance which I have voiced my disagreement with, and I have not been banned.

I’ve citicized USA, Russia, China and not been banned. db0 seems to be sympathetic to Ukraine in the Russo-Ukrainian war.

TLDR: dbzer0 are not tankies

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 12:43 next collapse

I haven’t seen a “don’t vote in elections” stance myself but the fact that you can say that and not get banned is a positive.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 13:04 collapse

Oh, I’m talking about this: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/33041848/15271204

db0 (instance admin) said voting is pointless… I disagreed

My point is: If this were .ml, I’d be banned (just check .ml’s modlogs lol), but this is not .ml, actual leftists can disagree and its fine. It’s funny how the fake leftists (tankies) get so mad and arbitarily bans for daring to disagree.

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 18:59 collapse

The admin db0 does have a distrust in democracy

Clarification: Representative/Capitalist democracy. Not all types of democracy.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 21:11 collapse

Since we’re on this topic, what do you think about the referrendum/initiative process that some jurisdictions have, such as in Switzerland?

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 21:30 collapse

I’m not familiar with it

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 22:56 collapse

In Summary:

There are 3 things:

Popular Initiatives - Swiss Citizens Collect 100,000 signatures within 18 months and the proposal is put on the ballot in the mext election. If a majority approves, it becomes law.

Legislative Referrendum - If the legislature passes a law, citizens can call for a referrendum by collecting 50,000 signatures within 100 days of the law being passed, and it goes on the ballot in the next election. If a majority disagrees with the law, it’s repealed.

Mandatory Referrendums - In some situations, such as changes to the constitution, a referrendum is mandatory. A majority of the people and a majority of the Cantons (Sub-National divisions similar to States/Provinces) have to be in favor otherwise the changes wont happen.

Basically, the elected officials are more like caretakers than people with actual power. It’s not perfect tho, people could still vote in bad laws and racist/xenophobic policies.