from Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com to fediverse@lemmy.world on 04 Jun 09:46
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492
Context: I tried to use the Piefed migration feature to migrate !barcelona@lemm.ee to !barcelona@piefed.social
piefed.social/c/barcelona now exists, with all the existing posts there, as well as the icon and description.
It even moved some subscribers (there are around 100 now), from what I understand those were Piefed subscribers that got automatically moved.
The one caveat is that from Lemmy instances, the community doesn’t have show old posts (see lemm.ee/c/barcelona@piefed.social), but if you were restarting a community from scratch you wouldn’t have access to your old posts anyway.
This ensure that at least the posts are transferred to a community on an active instance, which is probably the main concern for lemm.ee communities at the moment.
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Where is piefed.social hosted? A whois lookup only shows cloudflare, which is a US company.
Before moving european communities there, this should be clarified.
join.piefed.social/try/ says they are hosted in Europe. I assume they are using Cloudflare only for DDos-protection?
Cloudflare also does domain registration and with that you can enable ownerships obfuscation.
i just tried this with bertstrips -> !bertstrips ... it was a single query in mbin to migrate everything
Well done!
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Yes. We were still waiting for the API (allowing app support) to come out of beta, and coincidentally it happened the same night Lemm.ee announced their shutdown.
So now quite a few Lemm.ee communities are considering moving to Piefed.
I like the idea of Piefed. Tried hosting lemmy and never got federation to work.
Yeah I was able to host Piefed for a bit. It's pretty readable.
Also "feeds", the ability to combine all similar communities into one.
Disclaimer: I’m not trying to discourage people from moving to or using piefed. I understand the enthusiasm for it and utility of it. This is meant to foster discussion not hate on piefed.
Is it just me or are a lot of people just ignoring the fact that a lot of communities and people are centralizing to pretty much a single point of failure again? Wouldn’t it be wise to expand the number of piefed instances to help keep things spread out there too if that’s the platform you prefer?
At this moment, 9 out of the 10 most active communities are on LW: lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active
You have to scroll 3 times to see !television@lemm.ee, the first Lemm.ee community.
Lemm.ee was already a decentralization factor from LW, but it was still tiny in terms of communities compared to LW. Moving all of the Lemm.ee communities to Piefed.social (not that it’s the case anyway, I’ve seen communities moving elsewhere) would keep the status quo that we were all living with.
Of course ideally over time more Piefed instances emerge, and we can spread a bit more. Also, thanks to the Piefed migration feature, we’ll be able to move communities much smoother (even including subscribers).
Right, I’ve seen pretty much that same reply already.
I think it’s a chance to learn a lesson from how and why lemm.ee is shutting down. Right now I think people are risking moving the same problem somewhere else. Sure, in theory the problem gets better with time because the tools to move around are there, but that only matters if there’s somewhere to move.
It would be much more encouraging to see dozens of new piefed instances being launched/advertised. I think there’s a big push towards something new because it’s in the right place at the right time, and I genuinely hope it’s a successful project long term. I just hope the people utilizing it are willing to support it as a platform and not just as a flagship instance.
The one constraint we have is time. Lemm.ee is shutting down at the end of the months. Some of the polls will take a few days, then depending on the communities, it will take a few more days for the migrations to happen, but we can’t wait for dozens of new instances to pop up.
Using a diverse set of Piefed instances is indeed better, and hopefully that what we’ll try to achieve down the line.
I think the urgency is being blown out of proportion as a knee jerk to really crappy news. There is almost a month to move, which should be plenty of time for new instances to launch and communities to disperse. Even after the shutdown the rest of the fediverse will be able to redirect users to the new communities, wherever they are homed.
Again, I’m not against piefed or against people moving somewhere they feel more comfortable or like more. Those are positive things that the fediverse could definitely use. I just don’t understand why we can’t learn the lesson and move on instead of moving on and hoping it doesn’t happen again before more instances pop up.
I mod a few communities, I can tell you I want this to be over as soon as possible. I’m busy in the coming weekends, and if there’s something I’ve learned about the Fediverse, is that usually, if you want something to be done, you do it yourself.
The Piefed migration feature requires lemm.ee to be up if members want to get all of their communities content (post and comments).
I’ve seen quite a few communities move to sopuli (a few communities I mod are voting for that one as well). It’s not like everyone is moving to Piefed, some communities are, others aren’t.
It’s fine mate, I’m not here to crucify people who want to or have moved to piefed for any reason. People should be able to go where they feel comfortable and welcome and be happy about it. Do what you want and what works for you, of course. All I’m saying is that people should take note of what has happened and why, and do what they can to mitigate that problem going forward.
As long as communities are migrated and redirects are up before the last day of lemm.ee the transition will be miles ahead of what we’ve seen in the past where instances go dark without warning. Communities and users survived then and they will survive now I’m sure.
It’s just a bit strange to see all the people saying how they would’ve helped lemm.ee if they’d known sooner or if more cries would’ve gone out, and then nobody spins up instances to actually DO the things they say.
I guess there’s a difference between joining an existing team and starting a server on your own.
Let me tell you what I don’t like about Lemmy and piefed. Nothing. There’s nothing on these wonderful things that is not better than the other places we’ve tried. I love fedi.
Commenting from mbin, same. love fedi