Microsoft doesn't understand the Fediverse (cyberplace.social)
from Vittelius@feddit.org to fediverse@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 12:22
https://feddit.org/post/18581836

The admin of the Mastodon instance cyberspace.social just received an AI powered notice to delete the parody account @microsoft@lea.pet

#fediverse

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Imperor@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 12:28 next collapse

Microsoft is such a horrid company.

INeedMana@piefed.zip on 09 Sep 12:43 next collapse

:D

Not that I have any sympathy for them but technically speaking, can we say "Microsoft does X" when it was just a "brand protection LLM"?
For sure they chose it to be an outward connection but are we really now stating that an LLM can represent a company? I feel like that's both "you are stupid for using LLMs that way" and empowering LLMs at the same time

radiohead37@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 12:48 next collapse

They are the ones who configured the tool to be used this way. Yes, Microsoft did that.

frongt@lemmy.zip on 09 Sep 12:50 next collapse

The phrasing is really weird too. Like I would understand if they were asserting their trademark, but saying it’s an account they’ve lost access to?

jaybone@lemmy.zip on 09 Sep 12:58 collapse

They don’t even say they lost access. Lol they just say delete it. Fuck these assholes.

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 09 Sep 13:57 collapse

They say they do not have access to it.

jaybone@lemmy.zip on 09 Sep 14:03 collapse

Yeah. I don’t have access to it either. What does that mean? Of course they don’t have access to it. It’s not their account.

troed@fedia.io on 09 Sep 12:58 collapse

You're always responsible for the actions of those that you choose to represent you. Regardless of how stupid they may be.

pimento64@sopuli.xyz on 09 Sep 12:44 next collapse

Microsoft is at this point made up entirely of technically inept people running fraudulent mechanical Turks.

dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone on 09 Sep 16:39 collapse

After forced to switch to Microsoft teams, I became their PM and developers are alien origin.

Like, some of the logic doesn’t make any human sense. Like, LLM slop would’ve done better.

Zachariah@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 12:46 next collapse

$followers++

TheBat@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 12:48 next collapse

enf.microsoft

Do they know what enf means on the internet?

masterspace@lemmy.ca on 09 Sep 13:06 next collapse

This is honestly a dumb post. It doesn’t say anything about “Microsoft” understanding or not understanding anything.

It just shows them using an automated system to try and take down an account that they think is infringing on their trademark. There are legal protections for parody accounts, but they are not absolute and it’s possible that Microsoft could get a court order compelling the owner to cease control of the account.

theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 13:17 collapse

So I guess I’ll explain the post for you, since it seems you do not understand the fediverse, either.

cyberplace.social federates with lea.pet but is not responsible for and cannot control the Microsoft parody account on lea.pet. Microsoft sent the notice to the wrong server. That’s why Microsoft does not understand the fediverse or how federation works, and why the post is funny instead of dumb. Now you can laugh too! You’re welcome!

masterspace@lemmy.ca on 09 Sep 13:19 collapse

So it’s funny because the fediverse is so niche that no one designing automated copyright systems care about its odd and unique addressing system?

theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 13:20 next collapse

Yes, exactly! Now you get it!

stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net on 09 Sep 16:14 collapse

An attempt at censorship failed because the censors didn’t understand the system they were trying to censor. I think that’s both funny and satisfying.

masterspace@lemmy.ca on 09 Sep 16:51 collapse

They didn’t care about this system. It just got caught up in their news sources.

This isn’t funny, it’s just a thing that happened.

somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Sep 13:19 next collapse

…yet.

the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 13:31 next collapse

The instance rules state;

3 . No impersonation of a person or a brand. Even parodies.

6 . Each username on here should be a person, not a brand or corporation - and that person must be you, no impersonation.

Now I’m not coming to the defense of a corporation because fuck corps but wouldn’t this account violate those rules? Microsoft is a (shitty) brand and this is a parody of that.

I might be wrong but thats how I would interpret those two rules.

And again fuck microsoft, even if it does violate the instance rules it should be left alone just to piss of a shitty corp.

Edit: As TherapyGary pointed out, the instance they are on has no rule pertaining to parody accounts, My bad.

TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Sep 13:51 next collapse

I believe the Microsoft account is hosted on Lea.pet, which doesn’t have those rules

<img alt="1000011553" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/57b498b7-2fd7-43c6-826c-a60b1cd5d61a.webp">

the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 13:54 next collapse

Fair point, I didn’t know those rules weren’t on lea.pet. That’s on me I should have checked, my bad.

InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 14:02 next collapse

Poor Ubuntu.

gigachad@piefed.social on 09 Sep 14:18 next collapse

What does DNI mean?

TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Sep 14:26 collapse

Do Not Interact (with us) lol

gigachad@piefed.social on 09 Sep 14:32 collapse

:D

acockworkorange@mander.xyz on 09 Sep 14:52 next collapse

Also, what’s a valid reason for harassment?

InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 18:20 collapse

Presumably using Ubuntu is one of them lol

Postimo@lemmy.zip on 09 Sep 15:39 collapse

Some might argue it requires a terminal level of brain worms to understand what is being said with rule 8. But I for one find beauty in this exactly level and flavor of petty, and I come to the fediverse for it.

Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca on 09 Sep 14:23 next collapse

could be a rule break of number 9

are we sure on the English translation?

TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Sep 14:28 collapse

@Una@europe.pub pls translate

Una@europe.pub on 09 Sep 16:00 collapse

“Reject humanity emprace meow meow mrrrp :3”

TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Sep 17:41 collapse

Ah I see, thanks ☺ Good kitty

carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 09 Sep 16:48 next collapse

don’t harass people if there isn’t a valid reason for doing that

what a nothing rule lol, every harasser believes they are justified

TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Sep 17:42 collapse

This rule is my favorite lol

Revan343@lemmy.ca on 09 Sep 21:00 collapse

I like rule 8

[deleted] on 09 Sep 17:44 next collapse

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StopSpazzing@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 17:45 collapse

Quick, everyone make a million parody accounts to troll microsoft harder.

IllNess@infosec.pub on 09 Sep 13:53 next collapse

6 . Each username on here should be a person, not a brand or corporation - and that person must be you, no impersonation.

“I’m not a businessman, I’m a business, man!”

-Jay-Z regretting his words

NotForYourStereo@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 14:01 next collapse

Stupid rules deserve breaking.

theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 14:04 next collapse

You’re making the same mistake Microsoft made

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml on 09 Sep 19:57 collapse

It’s not hosted on that instance. It’s hosted at another instance. You’re making the same mistake that the Microsoft bot AI did.

Void@lemmings.world on 09 Sep 13:45 next collapse

Microsoft doesn’t understand parody

asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev on 09 Sep 14:31 next collapse

When did they understand anything? Fuck MS

r00ty@kbin.life on 09 Sep 15:11 next collapse

So, here's what I would do. I would comply (you should be able to delete the local instance of that account). But I'd also reply pointing out that it's a mirror of the real account hosted at lea.pet and their real beef is with them, and should that user interact with or generate content pushed to you, the local copy would be re-created.

Keep a copy of the email you send (because it's highly likely a human doesn't monitor that mailbox) and then move on with your life. If a real person then wants to complain you can just forward the email you sent and tell them the same still applies.

It's automated and the email indicates as such.

HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club on 09 Sep 17:16 next collapse

I feel like this is going to become a problem with federation in the future. A Mastodon instance is hosting content outside of its control that may or may not comply with its internal policies or local law. Is that instance protected legally? Likely not.

It would likely be treated the same way as auto forwarding an email would be treated.

enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 09 Sep 18:56 collapse

this is why niche stuff on fedi is so funny sometimes. especially when a corporate entity tried to approach it, in the most corporate way lol.