Microsoft doesn't understand the Fediverse
(cyberplace.social)
from Vittelius@feddit.org to fediverse@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 12:22
https://feddit.org/post/18581836
from Vittelius@feddit.org to fediverse@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 12:22
https://feddit.org/post/18581836
The admin of the Mastodon instance cyberspace.social just received an AI powered notice to delete the parody account @microsoft@lea.pet
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Microsoft is such a horrid company.
:D
Not that I have any sympathy for them but technically speaking, can we say "Microsoft does X" when it was just a "brand protection LLM"?
For sure they chose it to be an outward connection but are we really now stating that an LLM can represent a company? I feel like that's both "you are stupid for using LLMs that way" and empowering LLMs at the same time
They are the ones who configured the tool to be used this way. Yes, Microsoft did that.
The phrasing is really weird too. Like I would understand if they were asserting their trademark, but saying it’s an account they’ve lost access to?
They don’t even say they lost access. Lol they just say delete it. Fuck these assholes.
They say they do not have access to it.
Yeah. I don’t have access to it either. What does that mean? Of course they don’t have access to it. It’s not their account.
You're always responsible for the actions of those that you choose to represent you. Regardless of how stupid they may be.
Microsoft is at this point made up entirely of technically inept people running fraudulent mechanical Turks.
After forced to switch to Microsoft teams, I became their PM and developers are alien origin.
Like, some of the logic doesn’t make any human sense. Like, LLM slop would’ve done better.
$followers++Do they know what enf means on the internet?
This is honestly a dumb post. It doesn’t say anything about “Microsoft” understanding or not understanding anything.
It just shows them using an automated system to try and take down an account that they think is infringing on their trademark. There are legal protections for parody accounts, but they are not absolute and it’s possible that Microsoft could get a court order compelling the owner to cease control of the account.
So I guess I’ll explain the post for you, since it seems you do not understand the fediverse, either.
cyberplace.social federates with lea.pet but is not responsible for and cannot control the Microsoft parody account on lea.pet. Microsoft sent the notice to the wrong server. That’s why Microsoft does not understand the fediverse or how federation works, and why the post is funny instead of dumb. Now you can laugh too! You’re welcome!
So it’s funny because the fediverse is so niche that no one designing automated copyright systems care about its odd and unique addressing system?
Yes, exactly! Now you get it!
An attempt at censorship failed because the censors didn’t understand the system they were trying to censor. I think that’s both funny and satisfying.
They didn’t care about this system. It just got caught up in their news sources.
This isn’t funny, it’s just a thing that happened.
☝️: 😐
Holy shit. I can’t believe that 65 people upvoted this. Do you really believe that’s how the world works? Are you actually adults?
Lol please explain how the world works
You have full control over a server on which you chose to run certain Software. But you feel you don’t have to comply with takedown requests because that’s just how the software works? That may work on indulgent parents but not in court. If you’re too technically inept to know how to comply, then you’re just not complying. End of story.
LOL you think a court will enforce this C&D for a parody account??? 🤣 are you an adult??
Depends on the jurisdiction. This is a conflict between freedom of speech and the reputation of the brand (which has financial value). Countries with a more recent monarchical past tend to value reputation over free speech, eg Japan but also Europe. The US has been a republic for a quarter millennium. Since MS is a US company, I think they wouldn’t even pursue this in the first place.
Generally, service providers are exempt for liability for such things if they follow certain rules of conduct. EG the US DMCA says that you are not liable for copyright infringement, if you comply with takedown notices. I’m not sure how that works for trademarks in the US.
Generally, though, you should expect to be held responsible for any infringing content on your service, once you learn/are notified about it. You will be treated as if you had created the content yourself. That means that you will have to make the argument in court that the use of the trademark was legal. And if you lose, you will pay the damages.
Questions?
…yet.
The instance rules state;
3 . No impersonation of a person or a brand. Even parodies.
6 . Each username on here should be a person, not a brand or corporation - and that person must be you, no impersonation.
Now I’m not coming to the defense of a corporation because fuck corps but wouldn’t this account violate those rules? Microsoft is a (shitty) brand and this is a parody of that.
I might be wrong but thats how I would interpret those two rules.
And again fuck microsoft, even if it does violate the instance rules it should be left alone just to piss of a shitty corp.
Edit: As TherapyGary pointed out, the instance they are on has no rule pertaining to parody accounts, My bad.
I believe the Microsoft account is hosted on Lea.pet, which doesn’t have those rules
<img alt="1000011553" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/57b498b7-2fd7-43c6-826c-a60b1cd5d61a.webp">
Fair point, I didn’t know those rules weren’t on lea.pet. That’s on me I should have checked, my bad.
Poor Ubuntu.
What does DNI mean?
Do Not Interact (with us) lol
:D
Also, what’s a valid reason for harassment?
Presumably using Ubuntu is one of them lol
Some might argue it requires a terminal level of brain worms to understand what is being said with rule 8. But I for one find beauty in this exactly level and flavor of petty, and I come to the fediverse for it.
could be a rule break of number 9
are we sure on the English translation?
@Una@europe.pub pls translate
“Reject humanity emprace meow meow mrrrp :3”
Ah I see, thanks ☺ Good kitty
meow meow :3
what a nothing rule lol, every harasser believes they are justified
This rule is my favorite lol
I like rule 8
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Quick, everyone make a million parody accounts to troll microsoft harder.
Mrrrrp :3
pats
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“I’m not a businessman, I’m a business, man!”
-Jay-Z regretting his words
Stupid rules deserve breaking.
You’re making the same mistake Microsoft made
It’s not hosted on that instance. It’s hosted at another instance. You’re making the same mistake that the Microsoft bot AI did.
Yeah, I literally made an edit admitting it so thanks for wasting your time pointing it out again.
Is it a mistake? Wouldn’t federated content still count the same way legally, since an instance is also a website?
you’re assuming that American law applies to people not living in America.
I’m not assuming that, I just don’t see why would it even matter if it’s from another instance.
Microsoft doesn’t understand parody
When did they understand anything? Fuck MS
So, here's what I would do. I would comply (you should be able to delete the local instance of that account). But I'd also reply pointing out that it's a mirror of the real account hosted at lea.pet and their real beef is with them, and should that user interact with or generate content pushed to you, the local copy would be re-created.
Keep a copy of the email you send (because it's highly likely a human doesn't monitor that mailbox) and then move on with your life. If a real person then wants to complain you can just forward the email you sent and tell them the same still applies.
It's automated and the email indicates as such.
So, then, according to corpo logic, you’ve setup a system that automatically repeatedly breaks the law (copyright , maybe? Ianal).
And if the liability is on you for hosting a federation service with no control over the content and you are accountable for the replicated content, then it is effectively the end of federation. Again, not a lawyer but given how much the law favors corps over individual rights in the US it seems like it would track.
I've said this before. The UK online safety act if they enforce it hard against fediverse instances, it will be the end of federation, for UK users without a VPN at least. Because it puts too much on the shoulders of small site operators.
In this case though, the exception most countries have for site operators to avoid being responsible for their user's posts is usually reliant on action being taken when content on your site is reported to you. There isn't really an exception for saying "Umm, wasn't from my site mate. Go follow the trail and get the original guy". The argument will be, the site you control has the content, remove it.
In the UK in the 1990s there was a court case [1] that might even form the part of the case law behind the publisher exception. In that case the claimant stated that the ISP was alerted to forged usenet articles (usenet was pretty much a good analogue for modern federated content) that he believed defamed him. They did not remove the articles (presumably because they did not originate on their usenet server, by their users I am not sure). He sued them and the court ruled in his favour. There's more nuance, but the take away is pretty much what we got in the law created later.
Since then we have enacted the Defamation Act 2013 [2], which has section 5 that gives SOME exemption to operators of websites that allow posts by third parties (that pretty much covers the fediverse). That makes it clear that if the claimant cannot identify the user (which would be the case for 99% of threadiverse users), and if you are informed about the content and do not take action, then you may be held accountable for the defamation. Now that just means that if they tell you X post is defamatory or should be removed for another legal reason, if you refuse to do so in a reasonable time period, then you can be held responsible and treated as the publisher of that message. So if it were to breach some law, they could sue you for it as if you posted it yourself. Which is kinda why I'd say just remove it if there's any doubt at all. I'm not a legal expert, but that's how I read the act.
I'm not sure how it works elsewhere. I live in the UK. But generally the rules are somewhat similar.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v_Demon_Internet_Service
[2] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/section/5
Very interesting.
I’m making a decentralised open source sharing protocol (have your free cloud drive, website, …) and I very often gets the question about what if my node shares some illegal stuff (because when someone shares yours, you share theirs)?
It’s all encrypted so a node cannot know what it shares, and if someone asks you to take down abc.xyz then we’ll do it and it should be the end of the story.
Seems that’s what it would be in the UK at least (and the rest of the EU usually doesn’t have harsher laws for what I know), what are your thought?
On the one-hand I think it would be similar to how usenet works now for binaries. That is, once notified under DMCA (for the USA) and likely similar laws in other western countries you're duty bound to remove it.
I don't know if there would be other problems with hosting files when you don't know what they are. Also in terms of defence against DMCA, how would the original file uploader defend against it when you can't know what the file is without the key. Person A reports file xyz as infringing their copyright, Uploader B says it doesn't. Normally you could re-instate it and let the two parties fight it out in court. But, I wonder how it would play out when you hosting the file don't even know what it is.
I'm really not sure how it would really stack up against copyright law in general and more specifically laws for truly illegal content (e.g. CSAM), since you could be hosting that and never know.
Seems a bit more of a risky venture to me and more a question for an actually qualified legal advisor I'm afraid.
CSAM or any illegal content, or is there a specific legal difference?
The protocol is robust, so if a node removes the shared data, it just goes elsewhere. In-fine it’s the original sharer doing any potential illegal thing IMO but laws are not always logical nor moral.
Any idea where one would be able to get some answers from some real legal experts? Pro bono ofc 😰.
Maybe look up the story behind Tornado Cash.
EU law has liability exemption for hosters if they remove illegal content once notified (DSA Article 6). I think we still have to wait for more case law to know how that works with encryption. National law may still cause problems.
Thank you!
Seems like the EU Safe Harbor Provisions, you basically must not incentivice illegal hosting, accept takedown requests, but also have some sort of procedure for the takedown requests. Which all seem quite easy to follow and adhere to and would function perfectly for Tenfingers IMO.
Toronto cash seems to avoid the “not incentivice illegal usage”, and after a quick check it seems to be almost it’s sole reason to be, please correct me if I’m mistaken here.
I’m not familiar with the details. The point is simply, don’t expect to get away with playing games.
Yes, but there is more. The DSA is written in a very convoluted way, with the exceptions for smaller platforms scattered here and there. I don’t remember what exactly applies here. You may also have obligations under the DMA, CRA, and quite probably the GDPR.
Yeah I’m not in it go play games with the law, I’d love everyone having their decentralised FOSS web page, backup, and share stuff between your machines without snooping.
I’ll have to dig into all this, or maybe there are legal pro bono services somewhere. One can always dream, right?
Why comply? As far as I’m aware there’s no legal obligation to do so. They think they can just ask for things and get them. Fuck them.
Well, legally there's no reason to comply. At the same time I personally have no skin in the game and deleting the account locally won't do much (unless you purge their content too).
Sure, but why even do that minor thing for them? Just ignore it like it deserves.
When a website links to another like Facebook or similar is the website not at least partially responsible for content, like if the content was terrorism they might ultimately blame Facebook or whoever but still expect the website to remove the content from their page?
Sure, but there’s no obligation to give a company the username with their company name.
So just a matter of time
I feel like this is going to become a problem with federation in the future. A Mastodon instance is hosting content outside of its control that may or may not comply with its internal policies or local law. Is that instance protected legally? Likely not.
It would likely be treated the same way as auto forwarding an email would be treated.
AT proto’s PDS architecture does solve that 👀
Edit: I do want to say that after reading this blog post I have become a bit more lenient on ATProto. It seemed rather neutral and objective and found several upsides that I think are worth taking a look at.
Has BlueSky implemented federation yet?
No, but if it did you could control where your data lived, because people do host their own PDS iirc for bluesky.
Yeah, if.
wdym they not have federation yet, there are independent servers for every service (e.g. pds, relay, appview, moderation) except for PLC
yes
I don’t know. You may be generally already protected to some degrees by existing laws for users interacting with your site. This time it’s just users interacting with your site via another server. If you defederate from bad instances and have a good DMCA system, you might be okay.
Although, this type of thing could be one of those things that’ll take a court case or updated legislation to solve.
IANAL, but most law that I’ve heard of regarding third party content requires the site hosting the content to conform to takedown notices issued. So, having a good DCMA system requires you to be able to take down content from instances that may not be bad, but governed differently.
As for the law “catching up with” federation sites, I don’t see that happening unless Mastodon and Lemmy start creating massive lobbying arms.
Forgot that’s how America worked.
In the UK, you could just keep making noise until a member of parliament gets interested and mentions it once
So how does UK law handle federation?
No clue. Online Safety Act is a bin fire
Maybe you should make some noise until an MP cleans up the issue.
I’m too lazy. My MP made a bluesky account but abandoned it. Sad!
OSA means the instances that are federated are required to remove it, but also because they failed to remove it and/or failed to regulate ages and the day of the week and feed the cat they are guilty
this is why niche stuff on fedi is so funny sometimes. especially when a corporate entity tried to approach it, in the most corporate way lol.
let them sue, parody is fair use. get that bag king
AI putting copyright troll lawyers out of jobs? Best use I’ve heard of yet.
Look ma, my instance is being threatened! Proud to be on the instance of Mastodon CEO 🥹
Ok but fr, MS please don’t shut down cyberplace.social I just switched to there like a few months ago.
They don’t really understand their user base either
Does Microsoft understand anything? At all? They suck at making software, they suck at making operating systems, they suck at making genAI, they suck at making game consoles, they’re starting to suck at owning github, what don’t they suck at? What part of their business is done better than anyone else? What end user experience is better on an MS product than anywhere else? They have a shittier alternative to literally everything and nothing truly good.
They suck at making everything except money.
That’s called a scam artist, and honestly that’s not far off at all. They did some sneaky shit to maintain a monopoly.
They rock at being the default. As much as I love LibreOffice MS office is probably the best office suite I’ve used too.
For how good and useful Excel is, it’s overbalanced by how utterly fucking dog shit Word is.
Word is when you have a crap and can’t seem to wipe yourself fully clean. Word is making a morning coffee and finding the milk has gone bad. If it weren’t for the US deciding they’d rather invade the Netherlands than let a single Yank stand trial in the Hague, the entire executive suite of Microsoft would be up on war crimes charges because of Word.
Yeah, like I can’t disagree, I’ve spent hours at work producing decidedly shit documentation (that it’s just occurred to me I should probably have done in PowerPoint) but equally I don’t think I’ve ever used a WYSIWYG word processor I’d consider good either (or web design program for that matter).
As someone who is actively moving away from Apple stuff, the hardest thing for me to give up has been Pages. The iPad version is fine, but the Mac version is the GOAT as far as I’m concerned.
But it sucks balls for making anything that needs to be opened on any other editor.
VSCode
You’re talking to a vim user. If you even suggest that a MS product is better I’ll go crazy and crush up my own teeth into dust and then put it in my morning breakfast milk to make Teeth Milk (Tilk)
You’ve been warned.
(It’s 6 in the morning and I still haven’t slept I’m really sorry about this but this reply seems really funny to me so I’m posting against my better judgement)
I am not going to argue if it is better or worse than vim. I actually use both; they both have strengths and weaknesses imo. I use them for different tasks. I will say though that VSCode is extremely popular for programming and for good reasons. It’s a good product, one of the best things Microsoft make.
Out of interest: why vim and not neovim?
And I can’t really argue with you cause, I’ll be honest with you, I’m an amateur programmer. I actually do use neovim though, I just said vim because it’s just more recognizable. Like, that’s just kinda the name of this general category of thing. Don’t have enough experience to know the difference between the two though (except that vim doesn’t clear itself from my terminal when I exit, that’s annoying. Oh and the tutor. And the color. But I haven’t experimented with any of those cool plug-ins yet…)
In neovim you can have a terminal inside a buffer. So you can have a terminal and your code open side by side like you would in a modern IDE, or emacs for that matter.
ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW?? YOU CAN JUST HAVE A TERMINAL ATTACHED TO IT TO DO WHATEVER??? HOW did I not know about this sooner I spent literal hours researching how to best use neovim
That was literally my only problem with cli-based text editors and its just there???
I’m gonna be so fucking powerful now that i know this , thank you you beautiful lemmy user
Edit: I feel like this guy at about 2:00 in this video m.youtube.com/watch?v=9sv3ydNBfQA
Yeah pretty much. Wait until you hear about termux, screen, or byobu.
See you around.
Looking up that shit IMMEDIATELY
Vscode being more accessible than Visual doesn’t actually mean anything in the grand scheme of code creation. Both sucks btw.
Yet VSCode is one of the most popular IDEs with many other IDEs being forks of it.
I am amazed this is even remotely controversial. It’s one of the few products they make that’s actually good. Just tells you how far off the real world most Lemmy users are lol.
Popular. So coca cola is the best drink?
JetBrains are miles ahead visual code for example.
Funny how you just have to be condescending, almost like you don’t have any real arguments. But keep on being “amazed”, bet you’re “amazed” about ai vibe coding, I mean it is all the rage …
What does JetBrains do that makes it miles ahead?
On mint it actually finds the C# sources in Godot, for example. It also easily “compiles” and launches the soft through Godot, with working debugging. Vscode is a nightmare to set up, there are configs, other files, project files, and other parameters that just aren’t taken into account. Or having, gasp, code in a folder, it just isn’t getting scanned by vscode. You can surely get it to work, but if you don’t use the base boilerplate setup it just doesn’t function well at all.
I have used visual studio since early 2000 and it was good, then it became bloated, and vscode is IMO just a lighter version of that bloated visual.
VSCode and Visual Studio aren’t from the same code base. They aren’t commonly used for the same things, or on the same platforms. Do you think they are comparable because they have similar names?
Not understanding how to use the thing doesn’t make it bad. It’s no wonder your confused if you think it’s an alternative to Visual Studio.
Now you’re at it again, putting words in my mouth and behind condescending. I used visual studio when you were probably in diapers (see how nice it is when someone is gratiously attacking you?), and who cares what Codebase is used lol, what an asinine remark.
Who started attacking who here?
I have been programming in some capacity for about 12 or 13 years now. Let’s not argue seniority here.
With 3 years of full-time professional experience or less I bet.
But you already know how to use a downvote, so you’re not a noob any more!
Welcome to the internet.
I am a PhD student doing stuff about cyber security and AI. So no programming is not my primary field anymore.
I am kind of surprised someone who’s primary job is programming has such problems using a tool like VSCode that’s supposed to be usable by even beginners.
Ahaha
“I’m a PHD” and I know my ways around internet discussions! Watch out! I have a paper proving my worth!
So that’s why you smell of Dunning-Kruger when it comes to programming.
If I had a dollar for every PhD, researcher or manager thinking they knew programming… Lots of people out of cs school too. You just don’t wing programming.
Continue doing “stuff with ai and cyber security” if that floats your boat, but you sure do need to hone your “internet discussion” skills 😁.
I am not the one who looks like a fool here. Who is the one actually getting up votes from people other than themselves?
Are you always getting so angry when you’re wrong?
You’re the one who decided to attack me. The one who keeps coming back. So I could ask you the same question.
So angry.
Also good luck being unemployed in a few years!
Just to chime in with my own opinion on JetBrains’ tooling, my first language was Java - admittedly its been a while since I tried Java (and other JVM languages like Kotlin) in VSCode but when I last did it was a bit of a challenge. I also did some Android development for a while and if “standalone” Java was awkward in VSCode I assume Android development would have been too (Android development in general was nightmare fuel until Android Studio came along, never really did like Eclipse all that much).
After expanding out into other languages, I have enjoyed the specialization of each of the JetBrains IDEs. VSCode always felt like a “Jack of all trades, master of none” type of experience for me personally. I have tried out Zed recently and while I think its going to be a decent editor, I still have similar issues with it that I have in VSCode (in that how well it works depends on what language you’re using).
The exception to their tooling that I haven’t really liked though is Fleet - which was their answer to creating an equivalent to VSCode. It hasn’t really seen a lot of development and feels more like the forgotten step child of JetBrains. Also the “Remote Development”/JetBrains Gateway features can be really hit or miss though thankfully I don’t need that sort of functionality often.
I actually like JetBrains too. It isn’t mutually exclusive to only like one or the other.
You haven’t made a single real argument either.
Here let me make mine:
VSCode works with a huge range of languages, is very flexible and extendable, and has great support for remote development, development in containers, and even has cloud hosted IDEs based on it (Eclipse Che anyone?). Despite being web based it’s somehow faster/lighter than JetBrains. It’s also less expensive with fully open source versions available.
Edit: also I wasn’t being condescending until people started attacking me for an incredibly uncontroversial opinion. Your the one being condescending here.
I’m being condescending lol? No u 😁
So as I thought you don’t have a real point. You just came here to call the popular thing bad for not fitting your tastes.
You’re just angry your favourite IDE gets bashed lol.
I’ve used Eclipse, Jet Brains, Visual Studio, Visual Studio Code, vim, Cursor, and more for programming. I’ve played around with even more besides that. I don’t owe loyalty to any of these. Hence me having no issue with you using Jet Brains. It’s saved my ass a few times as well. That doesn’t make it perfect anymore than any of the others are perfect.
Just use the one you like for sure. That’s what smart people tend to do. One day it’ll be like that with programming languages, everyone has their favourite(s) but sometimes you have to code in Java because that’s simpler to use in a specific setting.
Is the feud over 😋 ?
Bro who do you think your talking to? It already is like that for me for programming languages. I’ve certainly programmed in enough of them. The more likely option is that you will be working in an already established code base and have to use what they are already using or want you to use. You sound like a hobby programmer. That or someone at a company using microservices for everything.
Lol try harder, angry noob.
You know I actually used to think like you once. When I only wanted to be a professional code monkey. I am glad I don’t think like that anymore. There are better things to be than someone who’s job is just to write code. Code is after all a means to an end. Now when I write code it’s with an actual goal in mind.
Writing code is something that’s largely being automated by LLMs and AI. Some will still be needed, the best and the brightest of programmers, but I don’t think that’s you. Any who go learn cyber security or AI or something. You would make more money there anyway. If not your going to have to learn to work with LLMs, and to fix their code. Cause there sure aren’t going to be many programming jobs in the future that don’t involve using them.
Mouhahaha.
The ai slop coder is angry he doesn’t understand. Tech bros promised him it will work, but he can’t get it to work 😭😭😭
I was coding before AI. I used to be skeptical too. But sure put words in my mouth. Cunt.
Funnily I have been fine with a lot of Microsoft software before, but VSCode was not one of them. Mostly because I’m very picky about something I’ll be using all day everyday and for that VSCode has too many issues for my taste.
Yeah editors are largely a matter of taste for some people. I won’t say VSCode is perfectly to my taste. The issue is it’s easy to use and works with just about every language, tool, and environment I need it to. Like I would probably prefer Zed or Neovim in some areas. Zed won’t work on one of my machines properly for some unknown reason. Neovim would require too much tweaking and learning before it could be useful. Even then I couldn’t guarantee I would actually be as productive as VSCode since not all the same tools are available. It might not work in every project I end up working on.
Essentially I have given up perfection in pursuit of convenience. If you have the time, patience, and the certainly of what you are working on then other IDEs and tooling can be much more tailored to you.
I don’t intend to have the tone of some of these other guys; if you like it that’s fine, really.
But man, every time I’ve used VSCode, I cannot help but hate it. It’s a mess of a user experience, with anything off the beaten path being community supported via plugins that have different opinions on how they should work.
I’m a nvim user these days, I’m all about extensible tools, but I can redefine how they work if it’s not a default I like, so it’s always cohesive to me.
Between the full-fat IDEs, I prefer JetBrains by far, but these days I pretty much just use the terminal - it’s just faster and it’s easy to get it to meet me where I’m at.
I am sure the terminal IDEs are great. I did used to play around with vim myself, and still use it for editing config files. I have had some success with Jet Brains as well. It’s a solid product.
I don’t really have the energy it takes to configure and learn all the stuff that’s needed for a terminal only setup these days. I guess I am just not as discerning as you are. I might try a ready made solution like LazyVim.
Lazy works. I started my config from this repo. It got me up and running well enough with a pretty basic viable config almost immediately with a well documented parts for me to tweak at my leisure as I hit pain points.
But, if you do try it and don’t like it, or prefer a G-IDE - at least you tried it. Good luck to you, captain.
Their computer mice are pretty good quality, but I don’t know if they are the best.
I don’t know if you’re asking seriously, but if you are the answer is: Enterprise manageability and accountability. There’s a reason why every hospital, Fortune 500 corporate campus, military base, supermarket, distribution centre, etc, etc all run Windows workstations. Why would a ruthlessley profit-driven corporation buy expensive Windows licenses when Ubuntu is free? Because when you’re dealing with ten thousand workstation in 150 countries, each with own requirements for data protection, working time, employee rights, etc that not only need enforcing, but need to be audited, you can do all that with a single Windows server and a half-motivated sysadmin. And for everyone smaller than that, you still get access to those same tools for your school, office, factory, whatever on your fleet of twenty mismatched laptops from eight different vendors.
Nothing else comes close, and until it does nothing will change. They would all drop Windows in an instant if there was a sensible alternative.
That’s the thing though, they would drop it in an instant if there was an alternative. The fact that there’s no competition on the OS front is due to conscious efforts on their part to monopolize desktop operating systems because they wouldn’t be able to compete if they had competition.
Streisand effect in full swing too. I’m now following @Microsoft@lea.pet :)
I don’t get fediverse either. How do I follow that from a Lemmy app. The link dosnt work.
Lemmy doesn’t support following people, you need a mastodon or Sharkey account for that. Check sharkey.world and mas.to
thanks microsoft! i just followed the account!
Lea.pet also got a c&d for @apple@lea.pet
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Let’s save this post for the next follow friday…
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What ghouls
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Oh my fucking god! Please, M$, do continue!!
I do not understand why they want to remove minecraft videos.
Minecraft videos have been a huge part of it’s growth… and it’s impossible to imagine a scenario where these videos are harming MS or their brand. They already make money off of viewers buying the game… this is stupid
For the same reason they went after the admin of the wrong instance asking them to delete the fake microsoft account - it’s a dumb algorithm doing a shit job. That this is a separate company that is being paid while doing such a shitty job says a lot about microsoft
I think I need to grift more, but I can’t even conceive of such stupid ideas.
To be brutal Microsoft appear to understand little these days…
lol. it’s always fun to poke fun at big corporations
@Vittelius lol