Mirror Instance for Interactable Archiving
from Coopr8@kbin.earth to fediverse@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 17:12
https://kbin.earth/m/fediverse@lemmy.world/t/1814957

Hello fellow Fediversians,

I have been mulling over an eminently feasible and inevitably controversial solution to a couple of challenges I see with the Fediverse gaining traction, and becoming the primary microblog/forum platform for many users. Also I believe this solution can fill a valuable function of accountability in the form of unbiased archiving.

Essentially the concept is an instance entirely populated by bot accounts, accounts which individually scrape the publicly posted content of public figures from other platforms and reposts that content in quotation, with timestamp, link-back attribution, and cross-links to other posts referred to by the primary post if they exist within the archive. Also may include comments requoting the post if it is edited with new timestamp, etc.

Why do this? Well simply put it would create a consolidated archive of published cintent from public figures which cannot be tampered with for the purposes of accountability, similar to the Wayback Machine, but with the added function of direct interactivity via federated services.

In this way Fedenizens can follow their favorite public figures on-platform and interact with their content in a separate persistent environment, and journalists can have a fully up to date copy of what has been said without filter or revision.

This is all extremely feasible with the help of ML agent scripts, even if APIs are not cooperative.

What are your thoughts? If you were an instance admin would you block such an instance or allow it?

There is of course the issue of how to pick what public figures to add to the archive, but I suggest this can be done by nomination. Who nominates? Well the other function of such an instance would be for individuals to self-nominate in order to mirror their content from other platforms into the fediverse. I suggest that these members can also nominate other accounts, perhaps with a quorum voting system, say 5 nominations succeeds in adding a person to the archive.

Some people may in the end choose to use the instance as their primary, as they interact a lot with the archive streams. I think this would be a welcome outcome.

#archive, #crossplatform #fediverse #fediverse, #machine, #mirror, #wayback

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Kierunkowy74@piefed.zip on 29 Aug 18:50 next collapse

Twitter mirrors
Instagram mirrors
Reddit mirrors for posts

Corporate social networks generally don't like being mirrored by a competition and actively fight with these.

Bluesky was being mirrored like this by Bridgy, but as it is a two-way bridge and Mastodon users did not expect their data leak to another network they bullyed Bridgy dev into making it opt-in.

There are more issues to mass-mirroring content from outside and I hope others will tell about them.

Coopr8@kbin.earth on 30 Aug 16:41 next collapse

aha! of course I wouldnt be the first one to think of it.

Coopr8@kbin.earth on 30 Aug 16:48 next collapse

hmmm... if the search on one of these (Instagram) resolves a username but my client (m.bin on kbin.earth via Interstellar app) can't locate it does that mean my instance has blocked kilogram.makeup?

Kierunkowy74@piefed.zip on 30 Aug 17:54 next collapse

Your instance is not blocking that much.

Apparently the Facebook company fights with account mirroring even more than ex-Twitter. Performance of Instagram mirroring will be smaller...

INeedMana@piefed.zip on 01 Sep 14:53 collapse

Maybe you need to wait a bit for federation to kick in?

I don't have links at hand, but from some other questions I know that federation is not "download everything the moment someone looks at another instance". Basically follow something and wait until some new content appears on origin instance. If after that you don't see the content federated, then it's time to start asking around

Coopr8@kbin.earth on 30 Aug 17:01 collapse

I managed to find and follow a Twitter mirror account, but no posts have populated

INeedMana@piefed.zip on 29 Aug 20:52 next collapse

Sorry, I'm not sure:
You don't know about the mastodon unofficial bots reposting from X (without interaction of person postingon X) and Lemmy unofficial bots and sometimes whole instances following RSS feeds or those somehow don't fit what you aim for?

Coopr8@kbin.earth on 30 Aug 16:54 collapse

haven't come across them, it figures I wasn't the first to think of it. So far from the other comment I have found the .makeup instance, which seems to be doing what I've been thinking but is a bit odd in its interaction with my home instance

Auster@thebrainbin.org on 05 Sep 13:45 collapse

Kbin.Social (rip) and Lemm.ee (rip #2) posts still appear on Lemmy.World. Also pondercat (rip #3) was a bot-only instance (in its case, for tracking RSS feeds), but interacteable with. So all in all, I think it's fairly possible, with only minor (?) issues being in the way, like mirroring external content that would be loaded seemlessly (e.g. Imgur on Lemmy) and storage and processing power for tracking the instances.