Pixelfed user count has gone vertical.
from korendian@lemmy.world to fediverse@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 12:40
https://lemmy.world/post/24303147

Editing to let people know that I will be blocking anyone who feels the need to tell me why this graph is inaccurate. I truly don’t care, but feel free to chime in with your useless take and land a spot on my block list! 🙂

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kionite231@lemmy.ca on 15 Jan 12:42 next collapse

wow, it’s really cool. I have also made an account on gram.social (pixelfed server). so far I am liking it :)

Skiluros@sh.itjust.works on 15 Jan 12:43 next collapse

To be fair, the Y-Axis doesn’t start from zero.

That being said, 10% account growth in 2 days is pretty solid. Let’s hope both account creation and engagement metrics (MAUs/DAUs) keep growing.

EDIT: Correct Axis type.

lemmydripzdotz456@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 13:39 next collapse

Pedantic: You mean Y-axis, right? Technically, neither start at zero but I think you meant Y based on context.

barsoap@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 15:20 next collapse

I’m still waiting for someone to do an x-up coordinate system just to mess with people.

Pornacount128@lemmynsfw.com on 16 Jan 18:00 collapse

I know this might not have been the intent of the post, but this is super fucking helpful. I’ve been using blender and Unity and didn’t understand why I was getting confused around grid cords, it’s cuz I didn’t realize the orientation changed (I just move the arrows around mostly, just a noob). By any chance is there anyway to change the orientation? Hopefully?

barsoap@lemm.ee on 16 Jan 21:13 collapse

Even if you can (e.g. change your projection matrix in a custom shader) you don’t want to mess with it because a lot of things assume the standard is used. The proper, unconfusing, way to deal with it is to import/export to a format that itself has a defined coordinate system, like gltf.

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 15 Jan 15:21 next collapse

No, all time based graphs should start at the big bang.

danc4498@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 16:24 collapse

I actually wish this were true. Sure, they would show the snippet for the time we care about, but they MUST provide the source graph that contains all data back to the Big Bang. Specifically the Plank Era, we don’t want a graph where time doesn’t exist, that would make the graph useless.

prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works on 15 Jan 20:32 collapse

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Skiluros@sh.itjust.works on 15 Jan 16:45 collapse

Yes, of course the Y axis.

I work with charts/vizualizations/data a lot, but for whatever reason I reflexively mistake X/Y a lot. It’s not even funny.

PlantJam@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 17:02 next collapse

Y has a vertical part, just like its axis. X is the other one.

Skiluros@sh.itjust.works on 15 Jan 17:37 collapse

This is like a weird personal thing that I can’t even explain. For whatever reason, the Y axis becomes labelled as X in my mind in random situations. And I use charts (and other data visualizations a lot).

The funny thing is when I am thinking of X, I don’t have this urge to call it Y. If I am looking at horizontal, X is the first thing that comes to mind. But not with Y.

aasatru@kbin.earth on 15 Jan 17:03 collapse

I make the same mistake all the time for some reason, though I know which is which. I have a theory the reason is that the X axis is often used to plot years (Y), which messes with my brain ever so slightly.

That said, I don't think the Y axis should necessarily start in zero in a graph that seeks to show the pattern of growth rather than the number of users in absolute terms. If anything, a longer X axis would have been more useful, in order to show how unusual such a growth pattern is.

Sabin10@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 13:41 next collapse

Isn’t that a 1‰ growth or am I mathing wrong?

Edit: I’m wrong and that’s why I shouldn’t comment first thing in the morning. The math is mathing, I’m just not braining.

marcos@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 13:52 next collapse

You are mathing wrong. The GP is correct, except for the fact that it applies to the Y axis.

(… it’s a much smaller change on the X axis anyway, something with 10 zeros before the first non-zero digit…)

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 15 Jan 13:53 next collapse

One percent of 300,000 would be 3,000.

unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de on 15 Jan 15:05 collapse

Its ~12%

past@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 13:50 collapse

Starting the y-axis zero wouldn’t change the shape of the curve at all, but it would make the increase seem less dramatic.

moody@lemmings.world on 15 Jan 15:52 next collapse

It’s a ~10% increase, but the scale makes it look like the count shot up by 10x at first glance. I know that’s why you always need to look at the axis labels, but graphs like this are purposely presented this way because they’re easy to misinterpret for the average person.

Skiluros@sh.itjust.works on 15 Jan 16:44 collapse

It was an error on my part.

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 12:46 next collapse

Impressive indeed

Both sites have different monthly active users numbers, but between 42k and 52k is quite impressive

jaybone@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 18:07 collapse

That’s a lot of mastodon users. And misskey is more popular than I thought.

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 12:52 next collapse

And those are just the instances that show up. Nice!

TheTechnician27@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 12:57 next collapse

I wish they would put the official app on F-Droid. I use PixelDroid, but it’d still be nice to try.

noodlejetski@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 13:02 next collapse

the official app is much slower and less polished than PixelDroid and Pixelix.

they do have their own F-droid repo, though fdroid.pixelfed.net/fdroid/repo

Ulrich@feddit.org on 15 Jan 13:19 next collapse

I used Obtainium to get it

poVoq@slrpnk.net on 15 Jan 13:36 next collapse

Apparently the official app has a few dependencies that themselves depend on Google Play services, hence being blocked for F-droid inclusion.

muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 13:54 collapse

Anyone know what services these are?

poVoq@slrpnk.net on 15 Jan 14:05 collapse
scsi@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 14:34 collapse

Pixelix just showed up on F-Droid two days ago, the dev open-sourced their code just recently. I find it to be a “better” (subjective :) ) client than PixelDroid after testing it for a bit. $0.02 to any readers. f-droid.org/en/…/com.daniebeler.pfpixelix/

jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org on 15 Jan 16:04 collapse

It has dark mode, btw.

Zier@fedia.io on 15 Jan 13:21 next collapse

Just a FYI, Dan who made Pixelfed also does Loops and a few other Fedi projects in case people want more cool stuff to play with.

bishbosh@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 21:40 collapse

What is the general outlook on others helping him build them out? I would hate to see tons of the energy dissipate because it was one guy trying his damnedest to out compete tech companies on two fronts.

Zier@fedia.io on 16 Jan 11:55 collapse

I'm not that sure on what kind of crew he may or may not have.

QuarterSwede@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 13:22 next collapse

Gotta have an official app, that’s the only reason I made an account and posted anything.

reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Jan 15:34 next collapse

Pretty sure the official app has been in testing for a while. And I feel like I heard recently it’s releasing a stable build.

In case I’m wrong though, there’s always PixelDroid and the recently released Pixelix.

Also, like most fediverse apps, the first-party, official apps are always very basic and more of a proof-of-concept kind of thing. In most cases you’d be better served with third-party apps.

M137@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 18:27 collapse

The official app had been available for everyone in beta for months, and it came out of beta just a few days ago.

Maybe try looking stuff up before stating dumb shit.

QuarterSwede@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 03:21 collapse

Beta doesn’t mean publicly ready. I knew about it and didn’t use it on purpose. Obviously the data shows I wasn’t the only one.

Maybe try critically thinking before stating dumb shit.

bdonvr@thelemmy.club on 15 Jan 13:45 next collapse

325,000 users? Had no idea.

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 14:02 next collapse

I signed up, though I generally don’t like following individuals and much prefer groups or communities like Lemmy. Gotta support independent social media.

Ingiald@feddit.nl on 15 Jan 15:29 collapse

I found following hastags I’m interested in to work better for me.

reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Jan 15:31 collapse

This also works really well for Mastodon. Gets your feed going super easily.

coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe on 15 Jan 17:33 collapse

this is probably the intended method to use mastodon, if you’re trying to follow individual accounts you’re just gonna suffer.

I also found actually taking time to find an instance that you vibe with (in my case, jorts.horse) really helps to keep stuff interesting in your Local timeline. As a bonus, it also furthers decentralization :)

reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Jan 17:41 collapse

Yeah I was on Fosstodon first. Moved to Sakurajima (Sharkey) and now I’m on Sakurajima (Mastodon) .

You’re right, the instance makes a big difference. Very important to find one you enjoy.

ijgwin@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 23:33 collapse

Why does the instance make a big difference? I thought the point in federation is that the instance does NOT matter because everything shows up across instances? Genuinely curious and would appreciate if someone could explain.

reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 Jan 05:05 next collapse

So, your home instance is gonna have a “vibe”. Each instance is focused on different things and has different people so the Local feed will be very different. Different instances also block different things and have different rules.

Once you start following some hashtags, it matters less. Like you said, it’s all mostly available from anywhere.

ijgwin@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 05:37 collapse

The local feed being different makes sense. I was thinking of the front page (to use Lemmy terms). Thanks for explaining.

coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe on 16 Jan 12:43 collapse

while your Feed won’t matter as it’s chronological and based on your followed hashtags, as @reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com pointed out, your chosen instance will make an impact on your local feed.

It’s kinda like how you can make an account on lemmy.ml and still connect to any* instance, but you’ll probably still have a harder time finding non-tankies.

*if they haven’t defederated, that is
ijgwin@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 05:38 collapse

Local feed makes sense. Thanks!

Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 14:04 next collapse

Oh no, Metas profits!! How will they live in a slightly better world now?

s38b35M5@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 14:14 next collapse

By blocking all mention of Pixelfed on their platforms.

jaybone@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 18:36 next collapse

Wow, how pathetic.

s38b35M5@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 22:57 collapse

I can’t say with a straight face that I didn’t see this coming.

Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee on 16 Jan 08:30 collapse

Oh, that self-perpetuating evil machine seems to check out, yeah.

DBosiers@social.vivaldi.net on 15 Jan 14:31 collapse

@Evil_Shrubbery @korendian I hope they perish, a truely evil corp. They ones ecperimented with making folks depressed because depressed people are more sensitive to impulse buying.

jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 14:10 next collapse

What are you supposed to put in the “server url” field in Pixelix? I put the instance I have an account on, because I don’t have any other information that would make sense to put there, but nothing happens when I tap the arrow.

Also, what the fuck, fediverse. It’s exactly this kind of bullshit that’s why nobody joins you. Fix it for Christ’s sake. Something this unintuitive doesn’t even belong in a beta build. If I was a paid instagram plant making this app to frustrate people into going back to instagram, this is the splash screen I’d use. Stop making it impossible to recommend you in good faith to people I like.

korendian@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 14:13 collapse

I don’t know about that app specifically, but I know some fediverse apps do not have all instances in their directory. For example, fedilab doesn’t have friendica.world. I would suggest hunting around for an app that supports your instance, but I agree, it is a dumb problem. What is the point of being able to join whatever instance you want if it is not listed on the app?

rglullis@communick.news on 15 Jan 14:22 next collapse

Lies, damn lies, and graphs that don’t have the Y-axis starting at 0.

10% growth in a day is nice, but far from a revolution. Let’s see this trend going for a month.

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 14:32 next collapse

Monthly active users increased by 43% between 13 and 14 January: pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats

rglullis@communick.news on 15 Jan 15:05 collapse

xkcd.com/605/

aasatru@kbin.earth on 15 Jan 15:18 collapse

I don't think anyone here is arguing that the entire world will be using pixelfed by the end of the year, and that its usage will expand to other galaxies by the end of the decade.

It's a comment about the current growth curve, and it is both accurate and interesting.

rglullis@communick.news on 15 Jan 15:26 collapse

Lemmy had the same jump in numbers during the Reddit Exodus. Mastodon had a huge boost when Elon bought Twitter.

Every spike has been a followed by a slide back to baseline in less than a couple of months. After you’ve seen it happen so many times, it is no longer interesting.

aasatru@kbin.earth on 15 Jan 15:36 next collapse

The fact that you believe these platforms were the same before and after these events makes it sound like you were not, in fact, there to see it happen. In my experience, it permanently changed both platforms, transforming them from weird niche sites to genuine alternatives.

That said, what you find interesting or not is not any of my business.

rglullis@communick.news on 15 Jan 16:18 next collapse

I am here since before the Reddit backout and I am on Mastodon since 2018. Lemmy was at 15k MAU, went up to over 125k and now is 1/3 of that. Mastodon had 1M 575k something before Elon, hit up close to 2M 1.5M and now is sitting around 800k. (edit: I was looking at the overall charts and used wrong figures. Corrected now.)

Sure, if your reference point is waaaay before the spikes then what we have now seem “a lot”. However, my point is that these spikes are far from being indicative of mass adoption.

porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml on 15 Jan 19:41 next collapse

Lemmy was at 15k MAU, went up to over 125k and now is 1/3 of that.

So it increased by 200%

rglullis@communick.news on 15 Jan 19:46 collapse

Oh, wow, very impressive! Did you have to use a calculator to get to this challenging result?

Communick’s revenue grew 1800% in 2024, compared to 2023. Do you think that makes it successful in any way?

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 20:33 next collapse

Oh, wow, very impressive! Did you have to use a calculator to get to this challenging result?

That’s unnecessarily agressive

porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml on 15 Jan 21:46 collapse

Successful or not, it isn’t back to baseline

rglullis@communick.news on 15 Jan 21:49 collapse

Again: “back to baseline” is not meant in absolute numbers, but trend-wise.

porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml on 15 Jan 21:59 collapse

It’s not “again” for anything you’ve written in this comment thread.

And you specifically suggested that these numbers can’t be extrapolated, i.e. that they are not a trend. If it’s indeed a trend for Lemmy to have 200% yoy growth then yeah, I’d think that’d be pretty successful.

rglullis@communick.news on 15 Jan 23:04 collapse

It’s not “again” for anything you’ve written in this comment thread.

Try the sibling: communick.news/comment/4203442

If it’s indeed a trend for Lemmy to have 200% yoy growth then yeah, I’d think that’d be pretty successful.

You got it exactly backwards. There is a decline trend (monthly users go down month after after a spike) while the “200% growth” is not determined by any curve and can not be measured by any specific interval, because it was driven by one stochastic event that brought 100k people out of a sudden (the Reddit migration)

To go back to my original comment: let’s see how the numbers are going to be in the next month. If the first derivative is still positive, then we can talk about “trends”, until then we are just senseless cheering and extrapolating out of one data point.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 Jan 11:27 collapse

The expression “back to baseline” comes from Science and Engineering and literally means that something has gone back to the previous average flat level (for example: “the power line noise level spiked when your turned the machine on but is now back to baseline”)

Edit: not average, but actually specifically the original flat level below which things would not fall. Sorry, it’s kinda hard to explain in words but very easy to point out in a graph or a scope were it’s just this flat line to which things always return.

That expression makes sense if you’re talking about the rate of growth itself (i.e. the Lemmy rate of growth spiked at the time of the Reddit changes and eventually went back to baseline, since Lemmy is not growing any faster now than before the Reddit changes) but it doesn’t make sense if you’re talking about user numbers since the number of Lemmy users grew a lot with the Reddit changes and never went back to the average before them, not even close.

Your original post is not clear on which of those things you’re talking about when you wrote “back to baseline” and your subsequent posts are mainly talking about user numbers, giving the idea that that’s what your “back to baseline” is refering to, in which case you’re using that expression incorrectly.

rglullis@communick.news on 16 Jan 12:10 collapse

Yeah, my bad. But the emphasis should be on “slide back”, i.e, the derivative is negative.

xapr@lemmy.sdf.org on 15 Jan 19:52 collapse

Mastodon had 1M something before Elon, hit up close to 2M and now is sitting around 800k.

This stat is really surprising. Do you by any chance have a link where I can see this data?

rglullis@communick.news on 15 Jan 20:12 collapse

I’m sorry, I think I was looking at overall numbers and not just Mastodon. According to mastodon.fediverse.observer/stats&months=48, it seems Mastodon was at ~575k MAU before Musk, shot up to ~1.5M early 2023 and is now sitting around 800k.

xapr@lemmy.sdf.org on 15 Jan 21:20 collapse

No worries, thanks for the link to the data, I appreciate it!

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 16:26 collapse

This thread (and others in that post) might interest you: communick.news/post/2320430/4138857

archive.ph/YtA25

aasatru@kbin.earth on 15 Jan 16:36 collapse

Yeah, I know I shouldn't bother. I am just annoyed by the misconception that all graphs should always start in 0 on the Y axis, as if it was some law of nature. Shouldn't allow myself to get dragged in further. :)

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 16:40 collapse

Good mindset :)

Kichae@lemmy.ca on 15 Jan 19:19 next collapse

Cool. You… don’t have to engage in discussions that bore you. Why waste your time?

xapr@lemmy.sdf.org on 15 Jan 19:46 collapse

I don’t think that either Mastodon or Lemmy slid back anywhere near as far as back to baseline? Sure, usage went down, perhaps even significantly compared to the peaks, but I think that both retained a lot more users than they had before their respective spikes. I’m an example of someone who came into Mastodon with the Twitter exodus and into Lemmy with the Reddit exodus, and I’ve stayed for both.

rglullis@communick.news on 15 Jan 20:02 collapse

I don’t mean that the numbers went exactly back where they were. I mean that every spike was followed by a steady decline.

Compare it with Bluesky now, or compare it with Reddit during Digg’s meltdown. Their growth curves will look like an S-curve, not this series of discrete jumps followed by 40-60% loss.

xapr@lemmy.sdf.org on 15 Jan 20:08 next collapse

Got it, thanks.

fdrc_ff@www.foxyhole.io on 16 Jan 00:08 collapse

@rglullis@communick.news tbh we shouldn't expect the adoption curve of any Fediverse software to be somewhat similar to the ones of centralised social networks, since Fediverse completely misses the commercial aspect that encourage key users to stay in the platform easing communities to stick to it as well. My guess is that without the action of commercial dynamics, the situation wouldn't be so different from the jumps-and-losses moments we're used to

rglullis@communick.news on 16 Jan 00:47 collapse

ok, that’s a fair point. But then this whole talk about “going vertical” and “exponential growth” is useless, and the only thing that we could (perhaps) try to take out of these mass migration events is to ask ourselves “would we able to reduce churn in the Fediverse without compromising on any principles?”

In other worlds, does this mean that the only reason that the Fediverse is small is because it is not as addictive as the other social networks? Does this mean that leaving Instagram and coming to PixelFed is the same as quitting unhealthy ultraprocessed foods and realizing that when you switch to a healthy diet you simply don’t eat as much at all?

And if any of this is true, shouldn´t we change the effort from “leave Instagram and come to PixelFed” to “Leave Instagram and quit all social media”?

korendian@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 14:38 next collapse

The y axis starting zero does not change the fact that it’s exponentially growing right now. Filter that link posted below for 120 days and it is still a nearly straight vertical line of growth.

aasatru@kbin.earth on 15 Jan 15:16 next collapse

The only thing worse than misrepresentation of statistics is completely misguided criticism of statistical representation.

While we're at it, the X axis doesn't start at zero either.

korendian@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 15:45 collapse

It’s the perfect combo of karma farming and “well, achtually” to make your blood boil. Good thing karma isn’t a thing on here from what I can tell.

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 17:40 collapse

There’s no karma on Lemmy

bishbosh@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 21:44 collapse

Did higher karma increase the boots of your upvote on reddit?

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 22:23 collapse

No, but there were some karma requirements on some subs. And you could resell high karma account to advertisers as they would seem trustful

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 16:18 collapse

It’s not exponentially growing. At best, the growth rate has exponentially increased. These are VERY different things.

It was exponentially growing, the platform would come screeching to a halt and crash.

korendian@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 17:36 next collapse

Jesus fucking Christ, you people are miserably pedantic. Nothing about my original post is wrong, so please kindly shut the fuck up with your “well achtually” takes.

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 17:40 next collapse

I’m not sure if people are pedantic or sarcastic at this point

korendian@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 18:42 collapse

They seem to be serious. The more concerning thing is that people are agreeing with them. I guess common sense is not so common.

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 19:21 next collapse

I got the same criticism about a similar graph a while ago. Numbers are on the left, people can clearly see how big of a change the graph shows, and I have no way to present the graph differently as it’s straight from the website, but people still want to argue about it

korendian@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 19:30 next collapse

And then tell you’re throwing a tantrum when you get annoyed by it.

PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca on 15 Jan 22:26 collapse

Tbf graphics like that are commonly used to be deceitful, because people don’t actually check the numbers on the left.

But in this case I think it probably doesn’t matter lol

Welt@lazysoci.al on 16 Jan 05:20 collapse

Numeracy is certainly not so common

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M137@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 18:24 next collapse

Ah, the classic response to being proven wrong on the Internet. Have a hissy fit like a 5-year-old and call everyone pedantic etc. You were objectively wrong but there’s no problem with that, everyone is wrong about stuff all the time, the difference is how you handle that. You either act like a mentally grown person and just go “oh, damn, I didn’t know that, thanks for correcting me” or act like you’ve done. No one is out to say that pixelfed isn’t growing, but you’re misrepresenting facts and then being a fucking child about being told so.

korendian@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 18:35 next collapse

I’m not calling everyone pedantic. I’m calling you and the other guy who chimed in with pedantic takes pedantic. You can claim you’re right all you want, but nothing about the title of the post “Pixelfed user count has gone vertical” is inaccurate. Whether it’s the user count or the user growth rate that is exponential is irrelevant. Nothing about my post is misrepresenting the fact that on the graph, the number of users is going nearly straight up, exactly as the title describes. Feel free to keep trying to correct me, but I know I’m right because I have eyes and can identify basic shapes. I am very willing to admit when I am wrong, but this is not one of those cases.

PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca on 15 Jan 22:24 collapse

Actually, pedantry is correcting people for things that didn’t actually need correcting because everyone understood the meaning from the context, so there isn’t any reason for him to thank you because you didn’t actually do anything of value.

korendian@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 19:33 collapse

Username checks out.

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 14:56 next collapse

You seem sensitive and very angry about it.

korendian@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 14:59 collapse

Sorry for getting annoyed when people needlessly correct others to make themselves seem smart.

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 16:55 collapse

Eh… It’s important to not spread misinformation and correct it when you see it.

It’s also important to just be ok with being wrong and get on with your life. No emotion needed.

korendian@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 17:19 collapse

I am very willing to admit when I’m wrong. However, the original post is not misinformation. The line on the graph is nearly vertical. That is objectively true. Even going back 120 days, the last few days are clearly vertical, and a sharp jump in users from previous time periods.

People just like to correct people to make themselves feel smart, and I have very little patience for that sort of thing. If someone makes a legitimate correction or proves to me that I am wrong, I am happy to be corrected, but needless and inaccurate corrections are just irritating.

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 19:44 collapse

If you’re happy to be corrected, then let me please help.

Exponential growth is dependent on the original size, and is usually a multiple of that size. 10 going to 20 then going to 40 then going to 80 is exponential growth.

10 going to 20 then to 30 then to 40 is linear growth. The increments are not related to it’s original size.

Going from 290k to 320k is barely a 10% increase. The way the graph is clipped LOOKS like an exponential line, but that’s because it’s clipped. If we showed the full data, 0 to 320k, it would not at all look exponential.

And even if we drop the mathematical meaning and go with the colloquial meaning, when people say exponential they usually mean doubling. So 290k to 580k.

People are calling you out because you exaggerated too hard. You called 10% growth exponential. That’s just wrong on the face of it.

Now I will wait and see if you lied to me about being happy to be proven wrong.

korendian@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 20:38 collapse

Again, as mentioned several times, the original post says the line went vertical, which it just objectively did. You could change the timeline and it might not look so vertical, for example making it show every day or every few hours, but that would be less honest imo. Even zooming out 120 days, which is the maximum time frame I could find for this data (pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=120), it is still a straight vertical line, and very clearly the fastest it has grown for a while. That’s not misinformation or exaggeration, it just simply isn’t.

As far as exponentiality, the growth rate is absolutely exponential. From the 10th to the 12th, it grew by 2500, then from the 12th to the 14th it grew by 5000 users. Then from the 14th to the 16th it grew by 25000. So if you want to get really technical, it’s not exponential because it’s more than doubling each day, it’s starting approach factorial growth. So I guess I will cede that technicality, but the point remains, if I was in a statistics course and someone told me to identify the type of trend that this graph represents, I would personally go with exponential. You’re free to make your own interpretation of what sort of trend the graph shows, but you would be wrong. It’s not my fault that you and others are conflating exponential number growth with exponential growth rate. I never claimed the raw number of users was growing exponentially, just that the rate of growth was exponential.

Now go ahead and call me a liar for stating facts.

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 22:44 collapse

Ahhh, I see the problem.

What you said sounded like “membership is growing exponentially”, which is false.

What you intended was “The rate of membership growth is growing exponentially”. Which is true.

These are two very different things. If you truly meant that second one in your comment, then all I can say is you chose some very strange wording for it. And I’m not the only one that misunderstood.

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 21:45 collapse

You’re the one that made a false claim with a biased graph…it’s okay to be wrong. I’m wrong all the time. No need to be so hostile about it. You could even edit your OP and add in the graph I threw together that normalizes the data. It’s still a significant bump in users, which is cool.

korendian@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 22:14 collapse

The primary reason I am getting hostile is because there is a chorus of dumbasses who think they’re being clever by pointing out that graphs look different when you view them on different time scales. No shit Sherlock. It doesn’t negate the fact that this is probably the most significant increase in users the app has ever seen, which is really all my post is saying. On the graph, the line is vertical. Even zooming out 4 months, it’s still vertical. Maybe zooming out further will make it less vertical, but that is beside the point. It’s still growing fast. Even on your graph you can see the shift. Getting called a liar and having people try to minimize a significant trend is not something I will just let slide off my back. Keep arguing all you want, you’re wasting your time.

rglullis@communick.news on 16 Jan 23:03 next collapse

The problem is less about the chart and the fact that you are taking a jump from a very short interval and trying to pass it off as something completely unprecedented.

Getting called a liar and having people try to minimize a significant trend

“Lies, damn lies and statistics” is not about calling you a liar, but how people can selectively use different data points to present information that supports their thesis or confirms their biases. I wasn’t calling you a liar, I am just disagreeing with you about this being “significant”.

If this growth rate holds for the next two weeks, then I’ll gladly change my tune and start talking about a trend. But so emphatically making projections out of one or two data points is a fool’s errand.

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 23:25 collapse

Ah, so you don’t actually understand why you’re being called out. It isn’t the timescale that “the dumbasses” are calling you out on. It’s the Y-axis.

If you cut off the bottom, you can make any graph look vertical. Still, it’s not insignificant and it’s definitely a turn which is cool, but this is why people are upset at your post title.

Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 12:11 collapse

Wait what? The whole point of exponential growth is that all it’s derivatives/integrals are also exponential.

jol@discuss.tchncs.de on 15 Jan 17:58 next collapse

Wake me up in 2 months when 80% of new users churned.

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 15 Jan 18:04 collapse

I’ve never been on IG but I’m strongly considering a pFed account. Am I churn or am I miniscule net-new?

And yeah, it’s a hope that the rumoured meta toxicity is somehow magically not on pFed. I wanna see my nephew’s designs and art but not the influencerati junk I fear is on the captive platform.

morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de on 15 Jan 20:00 next collapse

the head dev Dan Sup mentioned the number of active users jumping from 6k to 30k. we’ll see how it holds, but there is strength in numbers, people only stay if other people see what they post there. i have good hopes and really want to ditch instagram

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 21:43 collapse

Normalized graph for you:

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/15b361d6-cf3c-4094-85b5-2beb05a61f33.png">

Not a vertical line, at all. For sure cool, but very exaggerated with a dishonest graph.

urheber@discuss.tchncs.de on 15 Jan 15:09 next collapse

hmmm… I never tried out pixelfed. I will now.

edit: oauth not working :/

jim@piefed.social on 15 Jan 15:15 next collapse

The heard "someday" there will be Groups...

DavidGarcia@feddit.nl on 15 Jan 16:07 next collapse

does anyone know why this sudden uptick?

aasatru@kbin.earth on 15 Jan 16:17 next collapse

Meta recently decided to viciously lick Trump's ass by, among other things, allowing hate speech on their platforms.

Not everyone is impressed.

nepenthes@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 16:25 next collapse

Meta has changed their ToS. Prior, you could not accuse someone of being mentally ill without consequence. Now there is an exception allowing shitty people to accuse someone of being mentally ill if they are gay or trans. It’s seriously fucked up.

Also, Mark Zuckerberg, the ostrich fucker, removed the fact checker from Meta services.

TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip on 15 Jan 18:28 next collapse

In this, the worst timeline, I am glad that there is no need to add “allegedly”, as Zuck is clearly an alpha degen.

jaybone@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 18:42 collapse

Ostrich… fucker?

xapr@lemmy.sdf.org on 15 Jan 20:04 collapse

Yeah, I wondered the same thing, and found the answer: ifunny.co/…/mark-zuckerberg-who-fucked-an-ostrich…

surph_ninja@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 16:28 next collapse

Along with people being unhappy with Meta, and the looming TikTok ban, Pixelfed just now released apps for it.

Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 17:10 next collapse

Streisand effect. There’s a news story going around about Meta intentionally deleting links to Pixelfed: www.404media.co/meta-is-blocking-links-to-decentr…

I’m sure Zuckerberg’s recent comments are helping as well.

korendian@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 17:34 collapse

Combo of terrible moderation rules changes by meta, the release of the pixelfed app on Android and iOS, and coverage of that app by major tech news outlets.

jaschen@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 16:34 next collapse

I still can’t get a loops account.

catsrcool@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 17:02 next collapse

nothing much on there from what I’ve seen, has potential though

korendian@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 17:39 next collapse

It’s still early. It’s not even federated yet, just more or less a 1:1 tiktok clone.

jaschen@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 22:54 collapse

Can’t get popular if you can’t download it easily.

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 17:41 next collapse
helios@social.ggbox.fr on 15 Jan 18:00 collapse

It still doesn’t have a webapp that was supposed to ship weeks ago. The android app is buggy, laggy and doesn’t allow direct capture from the camera. I’d say loops is not ready yet.

[deleted] on 15 Jan 18:02 next collapse

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Shardikprime@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 18:34 next collapse

At this rate, their user base will be larger than atoms are in the universe

dellish@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 18:57 collapse

Well atoms are pretty small so I’m guessing the user base is already bigger than them.

Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 15 Jan 20:15 collapse

And atoms are full of empty space, there like 99.9999% empty.

Compress that down for space savings and we could make a huge dent.

Shatur@lemmy.ml on 15 Jan 18:49 next collapse

Happy to see!

I wondering what caused such jump.

Kichae@lemmy.ca on 15 Jan 19:09 next collapse

They released an official all on the app stores

stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Jan 19:26 next collapse

lol i search pixelfed and first result is Rednote, thanks Google play!

PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca on 15 Jan 22:21 collapse

I think it’s been out for a while.

Anyways, when I try to log into the main recommended server (where I already have an account), before I even get to the login page, it gives me this error

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/361252ae-1f26-4753-ae7a-10324ca0ffc9.png">

Which is a pretty funny thing for the official app to say about the official main instance 🤣

Instead I just installed the PWA from the browser. It works ok.

Mechanite@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 20:08 next collapse

I just signed up after seeing an article saying links to the website are being blocked by Instagram (IIRC). I figured it must be worth looking into if they’ve gone that far

PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 20:50 collapse

Because news broke that Meta lobbied for the TikTok ban. So people are now boycotting Meta platforms like Facebook and Instagram. Since Pixelfed is an Instagram clone and recently launched the app, it has gained a ton of popularity. The timing of the app launch honestly couldn’t have been better, because it gave all of the fleeing Instagram users a nice convenient place to land.

stringere@sh.itjust.works on 15 Jan 21:58 collapse
chaospatterns@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 19:34 next collapse

I tried self hosting Pixelfed but gave up because it wouldn’t work. I’m used to Docker containers that are able to just start up by themselves, but the guide didn’t work for me. Maybe it’s time to try again.

poVoq@slrpnk.net on 15 Jan 21:32 collapse

Make sure you use a MariaDB or MySQL database. Despite what the (very incomplete) docu says, Postgres support is broken.

saplyng@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 00:17 collapse

Really? I assumed postgres was the default for basically all open source projects

TypicalHog@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 20:29 next collapse

I don’t really use Instagram, but I might give Pixelfed a try. Does anyone know if it’s also a left-wing echo chamber like Lemmy?

Blaze@feddit.org on 15 Jan 20:32 next collapse

I’ve mostly seen pictures of landscapes and animals, so not as much

TypicalHog@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 20:35 collapse

That’s cool.

gmtom@lemmy.world on 15 Jan 21:43 next collapse

Lemmy is a left wing echo-chamber? I thought it was a Linux wing echo chamber?

bishbosh@lemm.ee on 15 Jan 21:49 next collapse

tomato patato

TypicalHog@lemm.ee on 16 Jan 00:30 collapse

It’s both!

PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca on 15 Jan 22:14 collapse

God I hope so.

I don’t need a bunch of bigoted shit echoing around in there with us.

TypicalHog@lemm.ee on 16 Jan 00:30 collapse

You don’t like echo but you on a leftist echo chamber site, smh. You just don’t like echo that doesn’t fit your agenda.

PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca on 16 Jan 06:15 collapse

Fucking Deep insights from someone who can’t fully read a reply that’s like 10 words long.

Great job chucklefuck

TypicalHog@lemm.ee on 16 Jan 17:36 collapse

What can I say - I do be insightful like that :P

bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml on 15 Jan 20:48 next collapse

This is what a good app does to a MF.

ColdWater@lemmy.ca on 16 Jan 10:48 next collapse

I’ll make an account when it reaches 1M users

moribr@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 12:44 next collapse

So…monday?

Sunshine@lemmy.ca on 17 Jan 08:42 collapse

We’re at 382k registered users captain.

Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de on 16 Jan 12:15 next collapse

vernissage.photos/home may be better than Pixelfed. discuss.tchncs.de/post/28641458

visc@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 17:44 collapse

Who pays for their servers?

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 16 Jan 19:06 next collapse

I saw Pixelfed mentioned on TikTok. So yeah!

westyvw@lemm.ee on 16 Jan 19:18 next collapse

Pixelfed is federated, an account can be made with Mastodon to log into different servers. But it seems different from lemmy in that joining one instance doesn’t seem to provide you with a method to view other instances and pick and choose as part of your feed. I think some people find that confusing. Any comments on that?

korendian@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 19:30 next collapse

Lemmy is unique on the fediverse, in that it has communities that you can subscribe to. The closest equivalent is community groups on Friendica. Pixelfed is more similar to Mastodon in that you can follow individual accounts, or hashtags/search terms, which is how you subscribe to different content in your feed. For example, I follow #catsofmastodon and see all posts tagged with that in my feed. Hashtagging your posts is very important if you want it to be seen. Lemmy is more oriented towards discussions, which is why communities make more sense in this context than on Pixelfed or Mastodon.

mastazi@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 22:27 collapse

Yes, it’s the most confusing part, if you want to discover Pixelfed accounts from other servers, you have to go to another server’s home page, then click on “Explore” which will show you popular posts by that server’s users. I have done this and now I follow a bunch of accounts from other servers, but the process is very convoluted and the average user would not bother I guess.

The web version of Pixelfed does have a “Global Feed” page but that’s 99% Mastodon posts because the “Global Feed” is actually global relative to the whole Fediverse.

westyvw@lemm.ee on 16 Jan 23:05 collapse

Yes, I think for new users that is very confusing. I find that somewhat confusing and I think I have an idea what’s going on.

Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 06:15 collapse

Yeah, fediverse platforms aren’t going to seriously compete against the big corporate ones until the user experience is as simple.

ohlaph@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 06:17 collapse

Exactly. I agree. It needs to be simplified. As easy as creating an account.

rekabis@programming.dev on 16 Jan 21:27 next collapse

Let’s hope the mobile apps become real mobile apps instead of web page wrappers.

I can understand if you build a site that allows itself to be pinned to your device as if it were an app. That’s a great way to get a product onto devices before you have time+effort to build a native app.

It’s quite another thing to have an actual app with a highly visible GUI wrapper whose only purpose is to connect to and display a specific website.

Like, c’mon.

korendian@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 21:33 next collapse

I honestly prefer other sites/apps anyway. Tusky is a great app for connecting all your fediverse accounts in one place, and friendica has a filter by image option that essentially turns it into Pixelfed.

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz on 17 Jan 06:44 collapse

Why should it be an app? I would prefer a website, it works on everything then as everything has a web browser. We don’t need to harvest user data here so what would the app provide? Plus it restricts users that are not on apple/android

Fedizen@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 21:32 next collapse

looks like … the climate has changed

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 21:43 next collapse

For other nerds that absolutely hate dishonest and biased graphs, I present the normalized data. Wow. What a vertical line. 🤦‍♀️

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/15b361d6-cf3c-4094-85b5-2beb05a61f33.png">

CidVicious@sh.itjust.works on 16 Jan 21:52 next collapse

Exactly my first thought seeing this graph.

Fedizen@lemmy.world on 16 Jan 22:14 collapse

its the federation effect in action. I expect pixel fed to get a slow trickle of new users as legacy social media cages and milks its current users for ads.

Despite the misleading graph from OP, the slow uptick seems to be common with federated social media because there’s little incentive to make viral posts to sell ads.

Mio@feddit.nu on 16 Jan 23:13 next collapse

You have zoomed in. I want to see the y axel from 0. It have increased with 10% of the users.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 Jan 05:59 next collapse

what the fuck is a pixelfed

Sunshine@lemmy.ca on 17 Jan 08:40 collapse

It’s an Instagram replacement.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 20 Jan 00:53 collapse

huh, an interesting idea but i’d be surprised if it gained much traction.

Tends to be a large inertia for these sorts of things, but it might be an interesting small community i suppose.

Schmuppes@lemmy.today on 17 Jan 06:18 next collapse

I’m not sure the graph is accurate.

feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 06:43 next collapse

Hey man, I don’t care about your graph but can you just block me anyway? Cheers! 🙂

Salamendacious@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 06:58 next collapse

Your graph sucks

SamboT@lemmy.world on 17 Jan 14:35 next collapse

Graph

Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 Jan 18:51 collapse

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/93f507cd-7d18-40ab-9c4e-290a72105252.webp">