tl;dr PieFed has different people behind it, a few more features, and is written in Python instead of Rust (I’m not a coder or an instance host, so don’t ask me what that distinction means, but I’ve anecdotally seen more people saying python is easier to work with than rust than the other way around),
PieFed communities federate with Lemmy communities, tho, so no matter which kind of instance you’re going through as a user you should be able to interact with all the communities (assuming your instance admins haven’t decided to defederate with the other instance for some reason)
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 09 Jun 16:38
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All the comments from all cross posts on a single page is great. You can also add your own user flair like you could on Reddit, which lemmy doesn’t support. I haven’t messed with it much yet, but the ability to make lists of communities into feeds also seems really useful.
I haven’t used piefed myself but I wouldn’t want to switch to it because I feel like it gives more power to downvotes and karma (or “reputation” as they call it):
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People who get downvoted a lot end up with a ‘low reputation’ indicator next to their name. You’ll know it when you see it.
Upvotes in meme communities do not add to reputation.
Those are three of the twelve points listed as differences to lemmy on their features page.
Dude there’s a built in social credit system that aims to embarrass or discredit people for having been downvoted too much, that’s very different than an admin building their own tools to create that kind of echo chamber, they hand these tools out to everyone on a silver platter. They’re on by default, literally every piefed server started with the default settings will have these.
It’s very different than specific admins choosing to create a platform like that with integrations. This type of social credit system is built right in and on by default, do you not see how this is a problem?
walden@sub.wetshaving.social
on 10 Jun 12:06
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Sounds good to me.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 09 Jun 23:02
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Well, that doesn’t matter for blåhaj, which disables downvotes, at least
LilB0kChoy@midwest.social
on 10 Jun 02:14
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I see what you mean on the growing healthy communities bit.
That plus private votes, nah, I’m good.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 04:55
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Yeah I’m not going to move to piefed for that reason either, I hate Reddit’s Karma system, which is basically an ass kissing requirement to maintain social credit, though piefed takes it to the extreme by trying to exclude meme communities, to favor downvoters extra hard.
Also private votes seems like it’ll be a nightmare. Good luck combating all but the most obvious vote manipulation.
asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev
on 10 Jun 06:41
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I find a reputation system good, however it should use percentages instead of points to make it different than what the karma system in Reddit was. People are less likely to farm for upvotes when it can only show 100% max.
Afaik piefed does not really show the reputation percentage to anyone (I might be wrong), but just shows a “low reputation” when it is under a certain percentage.
LettyWhiterock@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Jun 07:17
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The “low quality” thing seems… Kinda bad. If you mostly post in “low-quality” communities you’ll gradually lose karma? That sounds like it’s just punishing people who are more interested in shitposty meme communities.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jun 13:22
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The ‘features for growing healthy communities’ feels a bit opinionated in a way that makes me feel kinda gross overall in some places. I get what they’re going for, and I want to be on their side… Maybe it’s just the wording that gives me pause.
Well, lemm.ee shutdown lead some communities to move to Piefed
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Jun 19:33
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Sure, but I don’t see why that would push people to use piefed specifically, since lemm.ee’s shutdown didn’t have anything to do with the lemmy software.
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 03:14
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Piefed has community migration tools that Lemmy lacks, by moving to piefed communities got to keep old posts they otherwise wouldn’t have.
they had problems with transphobia from various lemmy instances, this is a way to limit that. which is being inflammed by right wing propaganda targeting an outgroup.
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Nice to see more Piefed instances popping
Popping up?
pooping
Pooping up?
Needs more fiber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwAI05Y1fU
What are the pros/cons of piefed for someone who has only used lemmy?
I asked that question recently and got some helpful responses,
lemmy.world/post/30977919
tl;dr PieFed has different people behind it, a few more features, and is written in Python instead of Rust (I’m not a coder or an instance host, so don’t ask me what that distinction means, but I’ve anecdotally seen more people saying python is easier to work with than rust than the other way around),
PieFed communities federate with Lemmy communities, tho, so no matter which kind of instance you’re going through as a user you should be able to interact with all the communities (assuming your instance admins haven’t decided to defederate with the other instance for some reason)
All the comments from all cross posts on a single page is great. You can also add your own user flair like you could on Reddit, which lemmy doesn’t support. I haven’t messed with it much yet, but the ability to make lists of communities into feeds also seems really useful.
Votes are private as well.
I haven’t used piefed myself but I wouldn’t want to switch to it because I feel like it gives more power to downvotes and karma (or “reputation” as they call it):
Those are three of the twelve points listed as differences to lemmy on their features page.
I also don’t agree with some of the points in their article on “PieFed features for growing healthy communities”.
That seems aimed to create a very closed echo chamber.
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Dude there’s a built in social credit system that aims to embarrass or discredit people for having been downvoted too much, that’s very different than an admin building their own tools to create that kind of echo chamber, they hand these tools out to everyone on a silver platter. They’re on by default, literally every piefed server started with the default settings will have these. It’s very different than specific admins choosing to create a platform like that with integrations. This type of social credit system is built right in and on by default, do you not see how this is a problem?
Sounds good to me.
Well, that doesn’t matter for blåhaj, which disables downvotes, at least
I see what you mean on the growing healthy communities bit.
That plus private votes, nah, I’m good.
Yeah I’m not going to move to piefed for that reason either, I hate Reddit’s Karma system, which is basically an ass kissing requirement to maintain social credit, though piefed takes it to the extreme by trying to exclude meme communities, to favor downvoters extra hard.
Also private votes seems like it’ll be a nightmare. Good luck combating all but the most obvious vote manipulation.
I find a reputation system good, however it should use percentages instead of points to make it different than what the karma system in Reddit was. People are less likely to farm for upvotes when it can only show 100% max.
Afaik piefed does not really show the reputation percentage to anyone (I might be wrong), but just shows a “low reputation” when it is under a certain percentage.
The “low quality” thing seems… Kinda bad. If you mostly post in “low-quality” communities you’ll gradually lose karma? That sounds like it’s just punishing people who are more interested in shitposty meme communities.
The ‘features for growing healthy communities’ feels a bit opinionated in a way that makes me feel kinda gross overall in some places. I get what they’re going for, and I want to be on their side… Maybe it’s just the wording that gives me pause.
isn’t a low reputation indicator exactly what a troll would want?
Interesting is this a reaction to something I’m unaware of?
nothing that I’m aware of.
Well, lemm.ee shutdown lead some communities to move to Piefed
Sure, but I don’t see why that would push people to use piefed specifically, since lemm.ee’s shutdown didn’t have anything to do with the lemmy software.
Piefed has community migration tools that Lemmy lacks, by moving to piefed communities got to keep old posts they otherwise wouldn’t have.
Correlation is not causation.
lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=t…
Only possible to Piefed
I can only speculate, but PieFed seems great for a community like blahaj. It makes it super easy root out disrespectful users.
they had problems with transphobia from various lemmy instances, this is a way to limit that. which is being inflammed by right wing propaganda targeting an outgroup.
If Voyager adds piefed support I’m definitely jumping over
Same here
I’ve already created an account on a piefed instance. Planning for the future. I’m sure Voyager will get it sorted.
i will create one when EE. is fianlly sunsetted.
I could see it. Lemmy devs are weirdos and I’m not sure they’re the right group to attract and grow a Reddit alternative.