NOSTR and content moderation
from xz25@opensocial.at to fediverse@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 17:40
https://opensocial.at/objects/59c238fc-9868-d6cf-f79f-b18344506732

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I wrote a rather lenghty to reply to some guy’s toot asking about if he should block mostr.pub. I thought it might be appreciated here.

Getting some reports about #mostr accounts that seem to just spew word soup, maybe to spam hashtags and links but after reading through a few profiles, I’m unsure what the deal there is. Am I right in assuming that nostr is by design more or less unmoderateable? Is that reason enough to block the bridge? #FediAdmin

NOSTR is a protocol just like ActivityPub is. Neither protocol in-and-of-itself is moderated but supports the ability to be moderated. ActivityPub does it via instances and sometimes is baked right into the platform. (I recall at one time Lemmy automatically blocked any posts that contained reactionary language unless the admin edited the source code and re-compiled it themselves). Similarly, NOSTR relays chose how to handle the reports much the same way AP servers set their own standards.

If I understand correctly, a report goes to whichever relays mostr.pub is connected to, and it’s up to each relay how to handle it. Some tag you as a whinny little bitch, others take that note out immediately, others ignore, and I think some actually have a dude look at its content and make decisions whether to remove the nevent (post) or actually block the npub (user).

Same as if you were using a NOSTR “account” yourself, except you don’t have control over which relays your account connects to as natives do, by specifically connecting, or specifically blocking in your client. Instead, I think, it is solely determined by which nostr users connect their client to wss://realy.mostr.pub and which other relays those same users are connected to. I believe a given nostr relay can choose to block any user that connects to a particular other relay.

I don’t expect @alexto be making any such blocks from the mostr relay. My understanding is that one of the reasons he’s shifted his focus for Soapbox from a Pleroma focused solution to a NOSTR one is one thing that always bothered him about the AP powered 'verse is some random dude can cut off communication between you and your friend unless at least one of the two of you administers your own instance or you create a new account on a different instance.

I’m uncertain if momostr.pink or the other nostr bridge, whose name I can’t remember currently, have similar lax policies that mostr.pub does or not. Regardless if you want direct control over anything more than blocking particular users, you are going to have to block any of these bridges.

In my personal experience I’ve been on NOSTR for over a year now, but Frienidca remains my primary social media. In that time I can say I’ve seen way more Bitcoin propaganda than even I am interested in, but certainly a lot less fascist, TERF, and racist nonsense than I have in some corners of the AP based 'verse. But bitcoin bois can get awful annoying. In general hosting a mastodon (or other platform) instance can be a dicey legal situation because you have little control on whether someone’s [potentially illegal] porn ends up being stored on your hardware . This doesn’t significantly change if you choose to connect your server to a nostr bridge or not.

BTW Soapbox, including mostr, doesn’t connect to lemmy. I don’t know if that was a purposeful design decision or just no one has bothered to make it work. There is at least one lemmy-like NOSTR client, Zapddit if it could connect to lemmy it might make me shift from Friendica to NOSTR as my primary social media.

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jonathan@piefed.social on 26 Sep 18:35 next collapse

Bro I ain’t reading all that, use paragraphs.

xz25@opensocial.at on 26 Sep 18:59 next collapse

@jonathan I did use paragraphs

I don't know what to tell you if it doesn't show on your client.

jonathan@piefed.social on 27 Sep 13:03 collapse

My bad, it was a client issue (Summit). It hasn’t mangled any other posts I’ve seen, I wonder which end the bug is on.

xz25@opensocial.at on 02 Oct 14:06 collapse

@jonathan if I understand the ActivityPub specification like i think I do, I doubt either is actually out of spec, but both sides could probably improve robustness such that it is more likely that the post looks as expected.

xz25@opensocial.at on 02 Oct 15:59 collapse

@jonathan I'll write an issue in the Friendica GitHub if you promise to similarly submit a bug to Summit. There are only 3 issue here, so I'm not suer if this is their perferred bug tracking location or not. github.com/idunnololz/summit-f…

Pamasich@kbin.earth on 26 Sep 19:24 collapse

OP is using paragraphs. I checked the post on your instance and it's also showing paragraphs. Like OP said, if you can't see them, something is wrong on your end.

atomicpoet@piefed.social on 26 Sep 18:43 next collapse

Just want to point out that I use Mangane, which is a fork of Soapbox, on my Akkoma server—and it absolutely connects to Lemmy.

From what I understand, Soapbox is just a front-end. The backend is Pleroma/Akkoma.

And by the way, one of the great aspects of the *oma services is that the frontends can be swapped out.

xz25@opensocial.at on 26 Sep 18:58 collapse

@atomicpoet changed it to Soapbox FE and Soapbox BE a year or two ago. I know I've never found a single Lemmy user or group either on the mostr bridge nor on my gleasonator.com account.

atomicpoet@piefed.social on 26 Sep 19:01 collapse

Can you tell me a little bit more about how Soapbox FE and Soapbox BE differ? I’m out of the loop on that one.

xz25@opensocial.at on 26 Sep 19:31 collapse

@atomicpoet I'm not certain, but I believe @alex just decided to call his back end Soapbox BE (Back End) because it was getting too confusing to explain to folks that Soapbox was a Front end for Akkoma. What the difference is between the version of Akkoma you are running and the most current version of the Soapbox backend, I don't know

atomicpoet@piefed.social on 26 Sep 19:36 collapse

Got it. So it’s less confusing to users who don’t know what an FE or BE are, but it’s more confusing for new admins who do.

“Instead of running Soapbox on Soapbox, I’ll run Fedibird on Soapbox. Scratch that. I’ll run vanilla Pleroma with Soapbox instead of Soapbox.”

Merlin@discuss.tchncs.de on 26 Sep 19:36 next collapse

I love nostr but i also have a mastodon for users that block the bridge. My mastodon instance also doesn’t seem to work with blusky bridge which is annoying. I dont feel like opening another social media and will just use rss feeds for some blusky users.

xz25@opensocial.at on 29 Sep 22:01 collapse

@Merlin more reason to use Friendica. Lemmy Communities work like they should (they show as Friendica Forums, rather than jut weird re-toots like on Mastodon). Friendica has built in RSS Support so all your RSS show in your regular feed and can easily share to comment, etc. And as long as your instance has the Blue-sky add-on installed, you don't need to worry about the bridge as Bluesky will just work automatically. IT's really the best one out there in the AP world. (Note: I'm not associated with #Frieendica, just a fan boy).

damon@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 17:10 collapse

I think people get the wrong idea about Nostr. To be honest I’ve seen a lot worse and illegal content on the Fediverse. Depending on the client and relay there’s a ton that can be filtered & muted.

xz25@opensocial.at on 29 Sep 22:04 collapse

@damon My only disagreement here is that NOSTR isn't already part of the fediverse. Just like GNU is the system and Linux is one of its kernels, the Fediverse is the network and ActivityPub is one of its protocols.

damon@lemmy.world on 01 Oct 02:14 collapse

That’s your opinion there’s people that believe it is. There’s people that don’t believe anything that isn’t ActivityPub is a part of the Fediverse which is strange because the term was used well before ActivityPub. But I get what you’re saying from a protocol perspective I can more so agree from your angle

xz25@opensocial.at on 02 Oct 13:11 collapse

@damon

There’s people that don’t believe anything that isn’t ActivityPub is a part of the Fediverse


and those people are wrong. :wink:

xz25@opensocial.at on 02 Oct 13:14 collapse

@damon I do think whether some poly-centric protocols, like IMAP, SMTP, XMPP, and Matrix, are part of the 'verse is up for debate.