Kagi (paid search engine): "Peertube results now show up in regular searches, plus you can filter by "source" to see more Peertube content." (kagi.com)
from mesamunefire@piefed.social to fediverse@lemmy.world on 07 May 17:38
https://piefed.social/post/729852

cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/29244629

You can also search the Fediverse directly

#fediverse

threaded - newest

Guidy@lemmy.world on 07 May 19:17 next collapse

“Paid search engine” <— no thanks.

tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 May 19:23 next collapse

Suit yourself. They aren’t perfect but I find value in them so far.

arakhis_@feddit.org on 07 May 23:41 collapse

freemium pls :cry:

although good freemium examples like proton mail for example seem too good to be true with free vpn and all the jazz. always such a shady feeling when using such services

dabaldeagul@feddit.nl on 08 May 10:22 collapse

They have a trial for 100 searches iirc. And they also occasionally share referral links to subscribers that are 3 month premium subs to share with friends so they can try

Jack_Burton@lemmy.world on 08 May 12:39 collapse

This is how I discovered I search around 20 times a day. Burned through it pretty quick haha

Chowtime3688@sopuli.xyz on 07 May 19:41 next collapse

If you’re not paying, you’re the product.

Jrockwar@feddit.uk on 07 May 21:28 next collapse

That’s only when doing business with corporations, but there’s also the option of open source (e.g. SearxNG).

Or do you consider yourself the product when using Lemmy?

null@slrpnk.net on 08 May 11:47 collapse

Do you think Lemmy is free? Your admin is paying, and trusting you to donate to help out.

Jrockwar@feddit.uk on 08 May 14:48 next collapse

Uh, what a weird message. It’s not only unrelated to what I said but it reads like an attempt to twist my words. On top of it, it’s totally wrong: Lemmy is free. I can self host Lemmy on a raspberry pi for exactly 0€.

The instance I use… Is also free. I donate because I choose to, but if my friend can’t afford to donate they can still use the instance. Nobody is profiting from it.

What I did talk about is products and doing business with corporations. With Lemmy there’s no product, whether you pay or not. With SearxNG (which many people self host, and again, is free) you’re not the product, regardless of how much you pay.

That’s what I was replying to - your comment is way off the mark and very condescending: I don’t need to be mansplained that I should donate to the software I already donate to. Note donate rather than pay for.

null@slrpnk.net on 08 May 15:10 collapse

Lemmy is free. I can self host Lemmy on a raspberry pi for exactly 0€.

Dang, where can I get a free Raspberry Pi and internet connection? That sounds awesome!

The instance I use… Is also free. I donate because I choose to, but if my friend can’t afford to donate they can still use the instance. Nobody is profiting from it.

This is exactly my point. It’s like when people call it “free healthcare”.

Muyal@lemmy.world on 08 May 15:18 collapse

Ironic considering the pinned post on .world is the admins asking for donations and pretty much everyone is saying “no”

daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 May 10:32 collapse

I’m not paying for my self hosted searxng and I have more control over my search than any kagi user.

anachrohack@lemmy.world on 08 May 13:13 collapse

Well you are paying for the hosting you’re just not paying for the service

daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 May 13:42 collapse

It’s very lightweight, any toaster could run a single user searxng instance.

MoonlightFox@lemmy.world on 07 May 20:24 next collapse

Upvoted.

I have a counterpoint to those claiming that paid are better. By using a privacy oriented search engine, then they don’t know exactly who you are. In theory just your IP. Maybe fingerprinting.

When paying they know exactly who you are. You have to trust them.

So in one case you can protect yourself, in the other you have to trust them.

Also, Kagi also uses the Russian index Yandex 😑

kibiz0r@midwest.social on 07 May 23:39 collapse

Kagi Privacy Pass

MoonlightFox@lemmy.world on 08 May 00:02 next collapse

Interesting, thanks for sharing

ikidd@lemmy.world on 08 May 13:29 collapse

  1. Log into browser extension with kagi account

  2. generate tokens

  3. use said tokens

How does this ensure privacy? The tokens are associated to your account from the start.

kibiz0r@midwest.social on 08 May 15:31 collapse

There’s a link in the second paragraph to the technical details, including source code for the implementation and documentarion for the required infrastructure.

But the tl;dr is that the tokens aren’t associated to your account. Unless you were able to snoop on the original request that generated the tokens (in which case, you’ve got bigger issues!), there’s no way to prove that a token is related to a specific account. A token only proves that an authorization server once granted access to some account.

Edit: Wikipedia has a good intro:

Non-interactive zero-knowledge proofs are cryptographic primitives, where information between a prover and a verifier can be authenticated by the prover, without revealing any of the specific information beyond the validity of the statement itself.

kibiz0r@midwest.social on 07 May 23:57 next collapse

Fine for you. I’m just glad there’s an option besides “sell your soul” and “invest hundreds of hours and dollars into self-hosting”.

RandomVideos@programming.dev on 08 May 08:56 collapse

There is a free trial and there was 1 month for free 2 months ago. You can try it and see if you think its worth the price

I tried it and i personally believe its not worth the price, but testing it is better than just refusing the concept from the start

tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 May 19:24 next collapse

I’ve used them about a year and glad to see this kind of improvement. They are not perfect but still much better than the free options so far.

Only concern I’ve had has been around the AI stuff they are providing… So far it’s optional and a separate piece from the normal search. Time will tell there I suppose.

nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de on 08 May 09:34 collapse

At the very least their AI Integration Philosophy has a good and nuanced view on the topic. So as long as they actually stick to that those ideas when integrating features it should be fine.

ripcord@lemmy.world on 07 May 21:14 next collapse

Kagi is goshin’ awesome.

VagueAnodyneComments@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 08 May 00:28 next collapse

good stuff! this is the exposure we need

toastmeister@lemmy.ca on 08 May 02:06 next collapse

I use Yandex a lot now for not censoring me. Maybe I’ll have to try this.

MadBigote@lemmy.world on 08 May 15:05 collapse

I’m not a spy or part of the government, but Yandex is Russian… I tried them like 10 years ago, but I wouldn’t take my chances with them.

ikidd@lemmy.world on 08 May 02:38 next collapse

Does anyone still think their data isn’t being sold even if they pay for a service? Plus now it’s associated to your payment information. These are the same guys that spent all their runway funding on Tshirts, I don’t think they’re the sharpest knives in the drawer.

uawarebrah@sh.itjust.works on 08 May 10:06 next collapse

Baseless.

theblips@lemm.ee on 08 May 13:53 collapse

You can use privacy pass and pay in crypto

ikidd@lemmy.world on 08 May 14:14 collapse

I’m not fathoming what Privacy Pass gains you, it’s tokens generated from your account, the chain of possession is obvious throughout. The tokens get used up and removed from your account and the logged-in browser extension generates more, but there’s no “privacy” involved there.

Fair enough on the crypto.

theblips@lemm.ee on 08 May 15:02 next collapse

The tokens can’t be traced to the account and are batch generated so you can’t be deanonymized by correlation. They aren’t stored in the account, but locally, in fact Kagi can (and they say they will) just sell the tokens directly, as they aren’t linked at all to an account

Rexios@lemm.ee on 08 May 16:04 collapse

You obviously didn’t read how privacy pass works

uawarebrah@sh.itjust.works on 08 May 10:05 next collapse

I love Kagi and gladly pay for it. Nice devs too.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 08 May 16:16 collapse

Do they have the equivalent for Lemmy?

E: Found it using Kagi… It just wasn’t turned on for me.