There are teenagers on the fediverse.
from throwaway@lemmy.cafe to fediverse@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 19:50
https://lemmy.cafe/post/14245493

First of all, I don’t mean this post as a complaint, maybe more of a warning?

There is teenagers on the fediverse. Most of them don’t share their age, for hopefully obvious reasons. I’d say that a lot of the accounts which do a lot of posting/commenting are run by teenagers — because most adults probably wouldn’t have the time for that much posting.

While the young people of this generation are generally useless when it comes to something more complicated than microsoft word, the people who are good at technology, usually are very good at it.

most of my friends (most of which don’t know the difference between a laptop and a desktop) could understand the fediverse as a concept perfectly when I explained it to them irl.

So, if you’re in a really stupid argument with someone, try to remember that there is a small chance they are 14.

#fediverse

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Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Mar 19:51 next collapse

Teenagers now get banned if they tell their age anyway: !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 19:53 next collapse

Thats why I made this post. If a teenager is on the fediverse, they will know how to evade a ban.

Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Mar 19:56 collapse

Makes sense!

cm0002@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 19:53 next collapse

To any teens who come across this post, do NOT admit you’re underage or were underage at time of account creation anywhere, anytime for any reason

It’s like Rule 1 of the internet.

Sincerely, The kids who grew alongside the internet since the 90s

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:03 next collapse

On my main account (this is a throwaway, if the username didn’t already suggest that) I’m sure if you dug around enough you’d find out my age, but it would be a lot of effort.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 11 Mar 20:05 next collapse

A/S/L

Gullible@sh.itjust.works on 11 Mar 20:15 next collapse

14/f/under your floorboards

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 11 Mar 20:22 next collapse

Sir this is a Lemmy

Rivalarrival@lemmy.today on 11 Mar 20:29 collapse

14/f/under your floorboards

Translation: Either “FBI” or “40/m/under your floorboards”

Gullible@sh.itjust.works on 11 Mar 20:38 collapse

No, I’m just stuck. Bring a water-based lubricant to help me come out

Crackhappy@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:20 next collapse

A/N - narnia

Irelephant@lemm.ee on 11 Mar 21:10 collapse

Authors note?

Kaboom@reddthat.com on 11 Mar 20:25 collapse

17/F/Cali

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 11 Mar 20:26 collapse

Nice one, my fed Joe

Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me on 11 Mar 20:34 next collapse

I was totally above 13 or had parental consent when I went to forums in the early 2000s. I totally wasn’t actually 9.

It’s wild to me this concept disappeared? It’s literally never been a good idea to reveal you’re a minor online. The laws are against you. Companies don’t want to deal with a curated minor experience, even less so in the current times. If they do, you get the crappier version of things.

The worst thing to happen to the Internet is when Facebook normalized using your real name and real info online.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:40 collapse

I agree. The main thing is teenagers wanting to discuss stuff about them, like on r/teenagers on reddit.

Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me on 11 Mar 21:09 next collapse

Back in the days we’d get free hosting and slap phpBB on it. Run for kids by kids, no pesky adult rules!

Those were the days. No credit cards needed, no nothing, just free 50MB of Apache/MySQL/PHP4 hosting with no strings attached.

If the fediverse was a thing I’d probably have had my own instance starting age 14-15ish.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 21:22 collapse

Its a shame that all “modern” forum softwares are really resource heavy.

weremacaque@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 05:35 collapse

If it’s anything like Reddit, it would devolve into being mostly creepy adults.

30p87@feddit.org on 11 Mar 20:41 next collapse

I was -1 years old when creating this account🚬

cm0002@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:44 collapse

Believe it or not BAN

pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Mar 21:06 next collapse

even gen a probably knows that, but those that dont, they will find out the hard way

qaz@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 21:32 next collapse

Even if the instance doesn’t have any rules about it?

rikudou@lemmings.world on 11 Mar 23:28 collapse

That is not Fediverse specific. That’s general internet behaviour.

TORFdot0@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 23:47 collapse

Duh, I was born in 1901, why do you ask?

clif@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 21:24 collapse

1901-01-01? Me too!

Good to meet you birthday buddy

ptz@dubvee.org on 11 Mar 20:02 next collapse

And what’s the problem with that?

Laws don’t currently make a concession for federated social media. If the law in an instance’s jurisdiction says that users on a platform must be of a certain age, then for practical/enforcement purposes it makes no difference if they’re local or federated.

FWIW, I also ban people under age 18 on my instance (local and federated). Obviously I can’t know everyone’s age, but if someone offers it and I become aware, and it’s below the minimum age set in our policy, then they’re banned until they’re of age - simple as that.

I’m in the US, so 13 is the minimum age by law for most services (COPPA), and there’s various grumblings to increase the age specifically for social media, so I’m playing it safe with 18 which is the age you’re legally considered an adult.

Considering some of the stuff that gets posted here (legitimately and via bad actors), then my legal liabilities are less as I’m going out of my way to only serve adults on the platform. Mind you, I’m running this as a hobby / volunteer and do not have a team of lawyers on hand.

Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Mar 20:06 collapse

Lemm.ee goes with 16, as does Blahaj.

The case linked was kind of an edge case as that user is turning 18 in a few months.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:17 collapse

Where does .ee say they only allow 16+? couldn’t find it myself.

Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Mar 20:19 collapse

Our site, products and services are all directed to people who are at least 16 years old. If you are under the age of 16, per the requirements of the GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) do not use this site.

lemm.ee/legal

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:23 next collapse

From a bit of clicking around, its linked no-where but the footer, so if you’re making an account they don’t tell you to read it. Easy to miss.

barsoap@lemm.ee on 11 Mar 23:58 collapse

Quoth Article 8:

  1. Where point (a) of Article 6(1) applies, in relation to the offer of information society services directly to a child, the processing of the personal data of a child shall be lawful where the child is at least 16 years old.
    Where the child is below the age of 16 years, such processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that consent is given or authorised by the holder of parental responsibility over the child.
    Member States may provide by law for a lower age for those purposes provided that such lower age is not below 13 years.
  2. The controller shall make reasonable efforts to verify in such cases that consent is given or authorised by the holder of parental responsibility over the child, taking into consideration available technology.
  3. Paragraph 1 shall not affect the general contract law of Member States such as the rules on the validity, formation or effect of a contract in relation to a child.

The referenced point (a) is in the conditions for data processing to be lawful:

the data subject has given consent to the processing of his or her personal data for one or more specific purposes;

In essence: The age of consent is 16 when it comes to your personal data. A completely different question is whether lemm.ee even processes personal data, even more so in a matter that requires consent. Because unless you doxx yourself lemm.ee knows nothing more about you than your IP and, presuming best practices, only keeps limited logs around for strictly technical purposes which don’t need consent. That point (a) is only one condition under which personal data can be processed, there’s also b, c, d, e, and f.

…not that I’m saying that the legal notice is bad it’s good. It’s overzealous and overcautious going beyond the letter of the law and event intent, reaching into the fabled realms of actually giving a fuck. Like, if the law says “assault is bad” then this notice is saying “please all cuddle, ok?”

socsa@piefed.social on 11 Mar 20:25 collapse

Meh. At least pretending to be an adult feels like a pretty low bar.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 11 Mar 20:29 collapse

Nobody should pretend and nobody should have to li

Also, nobody should volunteer age info for no reason... Esp under age crowd. Fucking pedos everywhere

LambdaRX@sh.itjust.works on 11 Mar 19:57 next collapse

Ah yes, of course other generations are much better with technology than today’s teens.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:01 next collapse

They are, teenagers (saying this as a teenager) are hopeless. Tech became so easy to use that anything requiring a tiny bit of effort is impossible for these people.

Sanctus@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:18 next collapse

Its the same as its always been. There was always a small subset of the population interested and developing computer sciences. There was never this time where all the youngins knew computers like they did breathing. That was a fallacy.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:23 collapse

You’re right, but at least most millennials seem to be able to update windows, or download a youtube video if they’re determined enough.

Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social on 11 Mar 20:44 next collapse

I would say you are kinda right, but working help desk for a few years taught me there are still a ton of dumb ass millennial users.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 21:06 collapse

There is dumbasses in every age demographic, but the eejits in my generation are especially bad imo.

JayGray91@fedia.io on 12 Mar 09:06 collapse

It always seem like that. I used to think like that too, 15 years ago

Eh, scratch that, I still think like that.

kat@orbi.camp on 11 Mar 20:52 next collapse

Not most I know lol

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:54 collapse

At least the older ones.

kat@orbi.camp on 11 Mar 21:55 collapse

In the 30s range at least in my experience.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 22:00 collapse

Yep, fedi seems to have a lot of them.

Dil@is.hardlywork.ing on 12 Mar 06:16 collapse

Your pretty much only thinking of the teens with myspace generation

[deleted] on 11 Mar 20:43 next collapse

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Dil@is.hardlywork.ing on 12 Mar 06:17 collapse

You’re admitting that after teens just got banned? Guess thats why its a throwaway lol

Crackhappy@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:20 next collapse

This idea is absolutely laughable.

TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org on 11 Mar 20:21 next collapse

At 14, me and most of my peers could navigate a file system on DOS, format floppies, install games from setup disks, and edit autoexec.bat files.

Yes, there is a huge difference between the teens of today and the teens of 25 years ago. Technological illiteracy is real thanks to the iPhone era and UIs becoming stupid simple to use.

The "iPad kids" meme didn't originate from thin air.

SupraMario@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 22:12 next collapse

I blame gen x and millennials…we made shit easy from the hard shit we built/had…and once everything was a button press the new generations went all Idiocracy.

rikudou@lemmings.world on 11 Mar 23:27 next collapse

Congrats, you lived in a social bubble. As we all do. Your sounds fun, so cherish the memories and don’t pretend your experience is universal.

TORFdot0@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 23:52 collapse

There’s kids today that still do that. And plenty of kids that’s call you a virgin and stuff you in a locker for being able to use a computer without a gui

tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip on 11 Mar 22:35 next collapse

It’s the late 70s early 80s gen, aka the Oregon Trail gen

popsugar.com/…/how-technology-influenced-generati…

TheFogan@programming.dev on 11 Mar 23:38 collapse

Huge variations. I’d say probably the technologically literate percentages of people is about the same… but tech has allowed the technologically illiterate the ability to use the internet.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 11 Mar 20:04 next collapse

I FEEL ATTACKED!!!!

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:18 collapse

Sorry if I’m being stupid, but how?

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 11 Mar 20:25 collapse

That is a meme statement, context:

I am a middle aged cuck with maturity issues

Angelusz@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:15 next collapse

You people still get into arguments online? Discussions, sure… but arguments? o.O

alaphic@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:16 next collapse

Oh my sweet, summer child…

Angelusz@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 08:41 collapse

Ha! I wish.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:16 next collapse

Discussions, arguments, uncontrolled debates, whatever you want to call it.

bishop@mastodon.myocci.social on 11 Mar 20:17 next collapse

@Angelusz @throwaway Only with Nazis, racist and bigots.

Irelephant@lemm.ee on 11 Mar 21:09 collapse

I spend all my time on twitter arguing with russian bots before deleting my account. There was some really shit takes there.

SatyrSack@feddit.org on 11 Mar 20:41 next collapse

YOU GET INTO INTERNET ARGUMENTS ALL THE TIME, YOU FUNGDARK! YOU’RE IN ONE NOW!

Angelusz@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 08:43 collapse

Ah cool hang on, just let me get some snacks and a drink before we get in to it.

agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works on 12 Mar 01:02 collapse

They start out as discussions, but it only takes one party to turn that into an argument. Generally though, continuing the argument is more to convince onlookers than the argumentative party.

kbal@fedia.io on 11 Mar 20:19 next collapse

WARNING To the People of Earth: Teenagers exist. BEWARE

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:22 next collapse

Pretty much yeah, most people assume that no one under 30 is on fedi because its “hard” to use.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 11 Mar 20:28 next collapse

Fedi does screw heavy middle aged and male and US but any one who can handle Linux can figure our how to operate here haha

Yeah kids might be retarded tech wise now but there is always the nerds who excel at tech so they would naturally end up here

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:29 next collapse

Just a heads up, thats considered a slur.

Also, you’re forgetting the germans! Fedi seems really popular there.

[deleted] on 11 Mar 20:48 collapse

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docus@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Mar 20:44 next collapse

Careful there, there are boomers on lemmy

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 11 Mar 20:58 collapse

Start making the list, all of them are going to a FEMA camp staffed by Obama death panels just like fox news promised in 2012!

Irelephant@lemm.ee on 11 Mar 21:09 collapse

Do you mean skew?

ByteMe@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:39 next collapse

I’m 24 and I’m using it just fine. I’d say that after signing up somewhere and getting an app to login into, the rest is pretty simple and much similar to reddit

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:41 collapse

With lemmy? definitely! On the mastodon side of things? no. Mastodon seems to be for german middle aged bikers now.

ByteMe@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:57 next collapse

Well, I don’t know. Mastodon seems fine to me too

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 21:06 collapse

xkcd.com/2501

superkret@feddit.org on 11 Mar 20:57 next collapse

Oh boy, I should get on Mastodon!

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 21:03 collapse

You should also check sharkey! calckey.world

Emmie@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 16:52 collapse

Invite only instances are even worse because of constant fear of banhammer treatment for wrongthink and then making second account is kinda hard

dpflug@kbin.earth on 11 Mar 21:12 collapse

How is Mastodon harder? (Legit question, not snark)

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 21:21 collapse

There is more missing replies/reactions, and picking an instance is a bit harder imo. Also search is completely broken.

dpflug@kbin.earth on 14 Mar 16:58 collapse

Gotcha. Less difficulty and more just not matching up with expectations.

30p87@feddit.org on 11 Mar 20:40 next collapse

I’m 19 and assumed that there are at least a few. And with that I’m correct.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 21:07 collapse

You are.

schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de on 11 Mar 20:48 next collapse

What part of the fediverse is “hard” to use?

Lemmy is easier to use than the UBB forum I started to become active on at the age of 10 that was the entry point for me being on the Internet at all. Back then we didn’t have Markdown, but BBCode, and I had that figured out after a few weeks.

I think you’re way underestimating young people.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:55 next collapse

I am a young person. It made sense once i explained it to them, but they had no idea how to do anything without my help, at first.

Today@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 21:24 next collapse

I’m old. I’m not sure what part of lemmy is hard. It’s just sign up, click a few things, download an app if you want. I don’t even have to remember a password. You don’t have to know how to build a car in order to drive.

Yes, noticed the influx of youngsters recently in the daily posts of ‘how come my boyfriend won’t talk to me’, ‘why are the girls at school so jealous of me’, etc. Also, putting 19/f in the post. What’s that about?

cabinet_sanchez@midwest.social on 12 Mar 00:22 collapse

I’m also old and I really don’t know what’s going on. You’re mostly right, I’m here reading stuff and it’s working fine for me, but when it comes to federated instances and mastodons, I’m not sure I’ll ever really understand what this IS

JayGray91@fedia.io on 12 Mar 09:02 next collapse

I started to think it's because of the result from years of a lot of people being trained and marinated by big tech in siloed opaque social media and website sign ups, where everything is it's own thing with almost no interconnectedness and communication between each other. So it seems hard when they (me too admittedly) see all this instance thing and federated that.

Also IMO fediverse has a too nerdy and being infodumped on image to me. That image, at least on the threadiverse side, seems to be toned down and normie-d with recent "campaigns" on reddit though.

You guys really do need to not be too nerdy lol.

Palladiumasteroid@piefed.social on 12 Mar 15:44 collapse

Truly hard to use I'd say are hubzilla and its forks. The rest of the Fediverse doesn't require much knowledge and aren't as hard as their userbases pretend they are (they aren't even hard at all)

Nougat@fedia.io on 11 Mar 21:54 next collapse

The assumptions that people make about age boggle my mind. You know that the people who made the internet are all "old" now, right?

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 22:00 collapse

Yeah, though most people severely underestimate, or overestimate the internets age.

WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Mar 01:15 next collapse

18 here started when I was 17

Feathercrown@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 14:02 collapse

Is this the popular assumption?

TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 11:00 collapse

I actually do appreciate this reminder

WatDabney@fedia.io on 11 Mar 20:27 next collapse

I've long assumed that many (most?) of the tankies, and of hexbear's userbase in general, are teens.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:29 next collapse

You would probably be right. Teenagers change political ideologies every other month.

catloaf@lemm.ee on 11 Mar 21:41 collapse

The Lemmy devs themselves are around 18, I think.

TORFdot0@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 23:53 next collapse

That would explain their behavior.

Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Mar 01:00 collapse

One of them has a kid, so not too sure about that

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:39 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d94750c5-5133-4bdf-a00a-b1d90431a6e4.gif">

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 20:41 collapse

I would consider myself proof ; )

small44@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 20:41 next collapse

Why do you think teens are generally stupid?

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 21:07 next collapse

As a teenager, I get in stupid arguments making stupid points because in my head, being right is important.

FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org on 12 Mar 08:59 collapse

I hate to break it to you… But people of all ages do this.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 11:53 collapse

More common in teenagers.

FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org on 12 Mar 13:41 collapse

Not really tbh.

quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Mar 21:12 next collapse

not teens, arguments (as in wasted effort to textually convince or defeat a faceless web foe) are usually stupid

atro_city@fedia.io on 11 Mar 22:14 next collapse

Look back at the shit you wrote as a teenager. We were all dumb.

itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works on 12 Mar 20:33 collapse

So dumb. Also insanely naively hopeful/optimistic.

RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works on 11 Mar 23:49 collapse

When you age you always look at your previous self as dumber than your current self even if that isn’t true.

Teens also rarely have finished schooling so from a literal standpoint teens tend to not be as capable because they are learning still.

kooltechlord@lemm.ee on 11 Mar 21:01 next collapse

!teenagers@lemmy.world

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 11 Mar 21:15 collapse

did lemmy world ban somebody yesterday lol

i doubt the community will survive

Nougat@fedia.io on 11 Mar 21:52 next collapse

I'd say that a lot of the accounts which do a lot of posting/commenting are run by teenagers --- because most adults probably wouldn't have the time for that much posting.

Challenge accepted.

LostXOR@fedia.io on 11 Mar 22:08 next collapse

As a teenager who is relatively tech-savvy and on the fediverse, can confirm. I think it's gotten to the point where even less technically inclined people can join fairly easily, but the more savvy are usually the first to flee from enshittifying platforms so we see a lot more of them here.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 11 Mar 22:11 collapse

lemmy.cafe/post/14200034

Be careful admitting that.

LostXOR@fedia.io on 11 Mar 22:13 collapse

Teenager ≠ underage, 18 and 19 year olds exist. But thanks for your concern. :)

RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works on 11 Mar 23:41 next collapse

Honestly as an older person it very much feels like a lot of Lemmy is under 25. It’s the little things like not understanding the historical context that something from the past fits in while simultaneously telling me Im wrong about the time that I lived through.

TORFdot0@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 23:45 next collapse

You are either a 14 year old socialist furry or a 35 year old Linux user on the fedi. No in between

RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works on 12 Mar 00:14 next collapse

I wish I was 35. 2009 was still somehow a better year

reiterationstation@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 00:29 next collapse

Ooof well older than that Sonny…

limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Mar 00:52 collapse

Sometimes much older

joyjoy@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 04:11 next collapse

I am a 30 year old socialist furry Linux user on the fedi. But that’s just the exception that proves the rule.

vaionko@sopuli.xyz on 13 Mar 10:18 collapse

What if I’m a 21 year old socialist Linux user?

alienghic@slrpnk.net on 30 Mar 03:36 collapse

Welcome to the software commune comrade!

shikitohno@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 06:08 next collapse

It’s the little things like not understanding the historical context that something from the past fits in while simultaneously telling me Im wrong about the time that I lived through.

In fairness, that’s not necessarily a sign of them being young, but could be any number of things at play. I’ve had my grandmother literally tell me not to tell hew how things were during World War II, because she lived through it, when we were talking about well documented actions of major historical figures that she was confidently incorrect about. No amount of documentation about what Churchill, Stalin or Hitler did during a particular event could change her mind, because she lived through it, never mind the fact that she was like 10 at the time. /r/AskHistorians had a 20 year moratorium on discussing recent events for a reason. Then again, this is the same lady who left her church of decades, because she was sure she was better at interpreting the Bible and church doctrine than all the priests who spent years studying those topics in seminary, since she occasionally read random books of the Bible and was older than they were.

It could also just be peoples’ biases at play. A Marxist historian and a fundamentalist, conservative Christian historian will come to wildly different conclusions and interpretations of things like the significance and impact of the rise of the religious right in the US under figures like Ronald Reagan, despite looking at the very same events.

And it could always just be that people are essentially engaging in drive-by posting quite often on the internet. For all the good things it can bring us, and the sense of community that it often provides, I think that internet “communities” really just provide us with a close approximation of community, while fundamentally lacking key elements that help real communities to exist and function in the long term. Personally, I’m closer to the Democratic moderates/centrists that abound on Lemmy.world than I am to my coworkers or my parents politically, yet I find that political discussions here tend to lose all civility and sincerity much quicker than they do with my boss who is all gung-ho for MAGA in real life. Like, I actually got my boss to come around on things like taxing the rich and universal healthcare when I had a chance to explain them without the hysterical stuff Fox tosses out and with examples of how they would actually benefit him to have as a baseline during election season last year, and it was a more civil and less heated conversation than some of those I had here a few months prior about whether Harris was really a good pick when the Democrats announced her as their candidate last year.

CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 08:02 collapse

I think a lot of the loss of civility comes from the fact that lemmy is just so left leaning. I don’t feel the need hear to defend the dems because I know that 90% of the users here understand that the dems are in fact at least marginally better than the other choice. IRL I run dem apologia on occasion because I might not like what they are doing but at least they pretend to care.

Saleh@feddit.org on 12 Mar 11:30 collapse

Assuming someone to develop a sufficient consciousness of their time starting with age 10 that would mean anything before 2010.

In all practical matter, people who are 25 now, cannot have any practical recollection of the US invasion of Iraq and are only having broad ideas of the 2007 financial crisis.

That is indeed scary.

Condiment2085@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 00:53 next collapse

This is actually a good thing - teenagers are known to bring niche things into popular culture! For some reason the whole of society kind of cares what they think is cool

Dil@is.hardlywork.ing on 12 Mar 06:18 next collapse

Most free time, rich teens spending their parents money drive our trends probably , not even probably thats most influencers, like alix earle , its funny af that all the girls ik that repost eat the rich and shit follow her and taylor swift

Kusimulkku@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 19:05 collapse

It’s just so tiring to discuss something like politics with someone who is literally 12.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 21:36 collapse

I agree. Discussing politics should require some form of age verification! Reading the myopic takes are enough torture on their own, let alone having to contend with them.

(Yes, this is hyperbole. If y’all come for me I’ll laugh really hard at you.)

net00@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 00:53 next collapse

I’m actually surprised that a few lemmy instances allow minors to sign up. I don’t get it. It’s always a liability and platforms tend to become dystopian in the name of “protecting the children” and to comply with additional laws and requirements…

Honestly I’m now thinking of migrating from lemm.ee now that I learned of it allowing minors, this instance could turn into shit because of it. Example: “we’ll defederate from any mature instance because the kids can’t see boob”

yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works on 12 Mar 01:13 next collapse

Minors are going to access the internet no matter what you do, it’s on them an their underdeveloped brains on whether or not they can handle it.

If their parents don’t care enough, then let them be raised here, amongst the stable minds that think anything to the left of burning kids alive for warmth is tankieism (.world) or anything to the right of luxury gay space communism is fascism (all the sane instances).

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 08:08 next collapse

They won’t, lemm.ee has a policy on federation, and they wouldn’t let kids get in the way of it.

Microw@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 10:30 collapse

Lemm.ee allows minors out of the same school of thought why it allows federation with nearly all instances there are, including NSFW: liberalism (as in: freedom)

weremacaque@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 05:25 next collapse

Most of us would post on forums as teens back in the day, so it’s hypocritical to try to keep them from doing it too. The only places we should run them off would be communities we specifically make for adults. They don’t necessarily have to be NSFW. Sometimes it’s just nice to have a community where everyone is old enough that they get the same references and are in similar stages in life.

General music and hobby related communities really shouldn’t be blocked off, though.

ToxicWaste@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 07:28 next collapse

we would not stop from accessing adult stuff, if we wanted to. so trying to hard prevent them now would be hypocritical too imo. it is our job as parents to prepare them as good as we can.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 08:07 next collapse

I mean, as a teenager, if a community says in the rules that its for adults only, I’d avoid it.

FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org on 12 Mar 08:57 next collapse

Press x to doubt

rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 09:15 collapse

Honestly I think that’s unusual for a teenager

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 11:52 collapse

I don’t think so.

nodiratime@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 09:22 collapse

A friend and I just yesterday talked about that and how we both visited some random sites/communities back then. How we had ICQ Chats with adults as 13-somethings, phone calls, about the blogosphere, how some Internet friends asked whether you needed something and send it on a disc via Mail.

I suppose if I were a teenager again, I would be here too.

ray1992xd@feddit.nl on 12 Mar 06:16 next collapse

Isn’t it wise to do some sort of age check before someone can access the adult subs? If this becomes a trend among teenagers, I can already see parents halting that just because of easy adult access. Pixelfed for instance has parental controls.

blackbirdbiryani@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 06:30 next collapse

Lmao, when have age checks worked on any site ever

ray1992xd@feddit.nl on 12 Mar 08:06 collapse

Well in all honesty: never

ToxicWaste@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 07:18 collapse

i dont do pixelfed, so idk what parental control they have. but what kind of system is gonna stop teens from making an account without their parents knowledge? and no, age verification wont work. there is a mysterious thing happening, where teenagers immediately turn 45 for the duration of any “please enter your age” question on the internet.

ray1992xd@feddit.nl on 12 Mar 08:11 collapse

A parent can flag an account of their children, that the child has to accept. They would of course do this together sitting next to each other, so the child has no choice but to accept. Then, the parent can control the content the child sees.

Honestly age verification other than ID checks will never work. But to send your ID to the owner of an instance is of a whole other level, that the people who join / have joined and even the instance owners are probably unwilling to accept. And they wouln’t be wrong for that.

ToxicWaste@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 17:35 collapse

sure, that will stop kids from having one account with random access. but the step to alts isnt that hard.

i propose that it will work untill the teens want to see something - then they will quickly create an alt. or they are mischievous like i was and create an alt as soon as the parents leave the room - after all you need to find out what they are hiding…

Thcdenton@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 07:59 next collapse

14 going on 40 so it will be some spirited ebeef. No quarter will be given

BlindFrog@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 08:09 next collapse

There are* teenagers

TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 10:59 collapse

shut up nerd

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 21:40 collapse

I also like that phrase. I wish I could say it more often in jest without getting slaughtered for it. Lol

Delphia@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 10:21 next collapse

Listen teens, I’m 40. I was a niteclub bouncer in a town popular with backpackers and partying, I also did a lot of traveling and partying. I was shameless, its a miracle it didnt fall off.

When you say you fucked my mom, its childish and stupid. When I say I fucked your mom while its not likely its possible… and thats worse.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 11:52 collapse

Thats usually said by people in the 9 - 13 age group now.

FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Mar 12:12 next collapse

But don’t assume everyone who is very active is a teenagers.

Some of us aren’t ;).

And you don’t have to understand federation to use lemmy. I’ve brought a couple of gen-z ers here. Get them to download voyager. Voyger automatically suggests lemm.ee for account creation. And then you just use it like reddit. Super simple.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 14:22 collapse

I don’t assume all of them are.

FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Mar 14:30 collapse

Knowing a couple of the most active accounts. None of them are teenagers, in all cases middle aged men.

Darkmoon_UK@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 13:35 next collapse

It should not be that surprising. Many teenagers are really smart, curious and will find their way here. That said I realise your warning is well intentioned; I hope Lemmy remains a more civil place than Reddit became over the last ten years, for everyone; teenagers included.

Feathercrown@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 14:03 next collapse

Odd post, but checks out

raynethackery@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 15:41 next collapse

*Are. Not trying to be a jerk if English isn’t your first language. Teenagers is a plural noun.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 20:10 collapse

English is my first language, I have no excuse.

Fleur_@hilariouschaos.com on 12 Mar 16:12 next collapse

WHAT!!!??

TEENAGERS??

ONLINE???

Brooo I had no idea… how could this happen? I never would’ve guessed there could be teenagers despite at one point being one and using the internet. I get you’re probably pretty new to being online but like come on, the rest of the world doesn’t discover things at the rate you do…

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 20:10 collapse

I am a teenager.

Most people assume fedi has no one under the age of 20.

dzsimbo@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 20:14 next collapse

Get back to r/teenagers, where you belong!

But seriously, thanks for the reminder.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 21:36 collapse

!teenagers@lemmy.world has like 60 people on it.

Also, there’s no way I’m outing myself as a teenager on my main account.

Fleur_@hilariouschaos.com on 12 Mar 20:35 collapse

I never would’ve guessed 🙄

shaggyb@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 16:21 next collapse

Play with fire, get burned.

If you can’t take it, get the fuck out.

Emmie@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 16:23 next collapse

Surprise, surprise. Some chunk of Reddit annoyances stem from kids running around amok.

Then moderators make many stupid rules to try to increase quality and overmoderation takes hold

In short time it becomes increasingly annoying to browse let alone post to get past the anti teen rules filter. Not to mention all the young hormones commenting some stuff at you like it is school break slander or smh

One can always change instance though so it isn’t doom and gloom. The kids will have Lemmy.world and nice, enjoy it and have fun. It is the club penguin of Lemmy instances. We knew this would happen

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 12 Mar 20:09 next collapse

I don’t think all, or even most, of the low quality content comes from kids.

Corgana@startrek.website on 12 Mar 20:51 collapse

Then moderators make many stupid rules to try to increase quality and overmoderation takes hold

This is so true. One of the best decisions I made during my tenure as mod of /r/StarTrek was changing the rules to be spirt-based instead of language-based. People will literally try to lawyer their way around the language of any rule, and it leads to mod burnout when they are getting drawn into rules-debates when it’s obvious the person is just trying to get around the spirit of the community’s purpose.

For example we had a rule that was literally just “be nice”. There’s no wriggling around that because it’s not some legal text. If someone is ““concerned”” about a request to “be nice” or “be honest”, they are not someone we wanted to be around anyway. These are discussion communities, not civil society, not everyone has a right to participate in every single one of them.

As you said the beauty of the fediverse is that each instance can have it’s own preferred method of discussion.

Emmie@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 22:41 collapse

Great comment, great moderation. Also by the way it has come to my attention that your instance bans/warns users that merely upvote discovery hate posts? Or was it some other Star Trek instance?

Corgana@startrek.website on 13 Mar 03:25 collapse

I know this comment is satire (well done… I think) but I want you to it hurt me deep in my bones.

<img alt="Cheers" src="https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/78186ce3-b3ba-414b-a023-56149e589776.png">

I’m clearly not paying enough for a therapist.

Emmie@lemm.ee on 13 Mar 09:28 collapse

I am sure you can get a loyal customer discount, after all you were a moderator

kane@femboys.biz on 12 Mar 19:34 next collapse

Maybe, but I was on the internet as a teen and that went fine, being careful is a general thing in life.

But more importantly: adults have a phone and use it during work ALL the time. So I’m not so sure about the average age of the people commenting on here.

recall519@lemm.ee on 12 Mar 21:10 next collapse

I was smarter than the rest of you all when I was a teen. It wasn’t until I became an adult did I get this stupid.

SirQuack@feddit.nl on 12 Mar 21:28 collapse

Hey, fuck you for calling adults stupid. Some of us have been stupid the whole time! Edit: /s

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 12 Mar 23:14 collapse

No, we’ve definitely gotten dumber as time has gone on. Especially socially; interpersonal skills have basically vanished since I was in high school.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 12 Mar 21:30 next collapse

Some are easy to spot because they don’t understand that being apologetic has little to do with apologizing, for example. 😅

Randelung@lemmy.world on 13 Mar 10:14 collapse

I’m sorry?

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 13 Mar 23:57 collapse

Found the teen! Yo guise, I caught one live! 😂

bhamlin@lemmy.world on 13 Mar 03:56 next collapse

Ew, gross

satans_methpipe@lemmy.world on 13 Mar 05:26 next collapse

While the young people of this generation are generally useless when it comes to something more complicated than microsoft word

Generalizations and eager bootlicking of generational propaganda isn’t helpful at all.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 13 Mar 10:53 collapse

I am literally speaking from experience, as a young person.

satans_methpipe@lemmy.world on 13 Mar 14:58 collapse

I am literally telling you generalizations aren’t helpful. I don’t care about your age.

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 13 Mar 10:11 next collapse

While the young people of this generation are generally useless when it comes to something more complicated than microsoft word, the people who are good at technology, usually are very good at it.

“Young people bad!” This paragraph has nothing to do with the rest of the post.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 13 Mar 10:53 collapse

As a young person, this generation sucks at technology.

Randelung@lemmy.world on 13 Mar 10:15 collapse

There’s neither women nor non-adults on the internet.

throwaway@lemmy.cafe on 13 Mar 10:52 collapse

In fact, there’s no one on the internet. Its all bots except for you.

Randelung@lemmy.world on 13 Mar 11:00 collapse

Damn, I suspected as much. The NSFW stuff, tho