Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered has a warning about racial and ethnic stereotypes (www.videogameschronicle.com)
from inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 02:24
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Copernican@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 02:41 next collapse

But when will Nintendo start issuing those warnings for Mario games?

aeronmelon@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 03:51 collapse

cries in spaghetti

chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 06:23 collapse

So long, gay Bowser!

UprisingVoltage@feddit.it on 14 Feb 2024 17:51 next collapse

Top line in gaming

electrogamerman@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 11:08 collapse

isnt Bowser constantly trying to bang peach?

Zozano@lemy.lol on 15 Feb 2024 16:29 collapse

Nah, he just wants to marry her so he can become royalty.

It’s all explained in this quick two minute video

Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 02:43 next collapse

I’m a fan of this. It’s better to offer content with context and education than to fully censor it.

halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 07:32 next collapse

100% this is the way things should be handled. If we get rid of or hide mistakes of the past, they will simply be repeated as people forget.

A note about historical context is an easy, and small solution to acknowledge the change in society without altering the original content.

9715698@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 07:43 collapse

Metal Gear Solid Master Collection did this as well.

dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Feb 2024 14:19 collapse

What did they have to provide context for in the Master Collection?

toxicbubble@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 15:01 collapse

i think misogyny and incest

HawlSera@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 07:03 collapse

And portrayal of Tobacco which you can’t really do anymore

altima_neo@lemmy.zip on 14 Feb 2024 02:53 next collapse

What stereotypes were in the games?

IHeartBadCode@kbin.social on 14 Feb 2024 03:38 next collapse

While Crystal Dynamics didn’t specify which content it’s referring to, it’s speculated that it could be the animalistic depiction of Pacific Island natives in Tomb Raider 3, who are implied to be cannibals.

Tash@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 03:43 next collapse

While Crystal Dynamics didn’t specify which content it’s referring to, it’s speculated that it could be the animalistic depiction of Pacific Island natives in Tomb Raider 3, who are implied to be cannibals.

Like the fictional Indiana Jones style villages? Or the real life North Sentinel Island Sentinelese? I’m scratching my head too…

chaogomu@kbin.social on 14 Feb 2024 04:06 collapse

The North Sentinel Island Sentinelese are not cannibals. They just want nothing to do with anyone not born on the island.

Which is a good policy to have, seeing as how the British genocided the rest of the Andaman Islands. They even landed on North Sentinel, kidnapped a few old people and children, and then sent the survivors back as plague bearers. (this was in 1880)

Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 06:54 collapse

Yeah, it’s getting pretty hard to be an isolated community anywhere these days. Looks like these guys in the nicobar islands may be fucked.

EdibleFriend@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 04:07 next collapse

The stereotype that old British men are all butlers who get off on being locked in the freezer.

Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 06:42 next collapse

Indeed. Some of us prefer being locked in the pantry.

DaseinPickle@leminal.space on 14 Feb 2024 07:15 collapse

That’s not a stereotype.

EdibleFriend@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 13:40 collapse

Of course it isn’t. I am clearly making a joke. lol holy crap this is happening every single day on lemmy now whats happening to this place?

tuxtey@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 13:53 next collapse

I think you were both making jokes

FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 15:14 next collapse

people with an extreme moral superiority complex emboldened by the anonymity of the internet.

altima_neo@lemmy.zip on 14 Feb 2024 16:03 next collapse

Yeah, I crack sarcastic Jokes all the time and it feels like no one on Lemmy gets sarcasm

[deleted] on 14 Feb 2024 16:06 next collapse

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Buddahriffic@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 22:37 collapse

I like to call them deadpan instead of sarcasm. Sarcasm has a tone to let others know that it isn’t serious, while deadpan relies fully on the content itself.

I had a lot more deadpan comments crash and burn on Reddit than here. And even in this case, someone just questioned the comment while it had overall positive reception. I think Lemmy generally gets deadpan.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 17:20 next collapse

Sarcasm is damn near impossible to pick up over text unless it’s extremely obvious.

EdibleFriend@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 17:49 collapse

If it’s extremely subtle sarcasm yes. I agree. There was nothing subtle about my post though

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 20 Feb 2024 17:16 collapse

I agree, but I’ve done the same thing before and people have totally taken it seriously.

EdibleFriend@lemmy.world on 20 Feb 2024 17:53 collapse

That doesn’t mean it’s extremely hard to pick up on obvious sarcasm. It just means some people are morons lol.

DaseinPickle@leminal.space on 14 Feb 2024 20:56 collapse

Something that is accurate and true is not a stereotype.

DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe on 15 Feb 2024 01:49 collapse

I’m sorry, but another user has already confirmed that some British men prefer being locked in the pantry so it isn’t accurate.

sbr32@kbin.social on 14 Feb 2024 04:37 next collapse

In what world is that a question for a reasonable person?

A media company remade and re-released a piece of media and acknowledged that there may be problematic content, but that we should consider the time the media was made.

You don't need to know what the problematic content is, just accept their statement on it.

pendulum_@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 05:07 next collapse

“Shut up and consume”

That’s not how this works

RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de on 14 Feb 2024 05:15 next collapse

In what world is that an answer for a reasonable person?

squid_slime@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 05:33 next collapse

I’d still like to know… Might be a deal breaker

Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website on 14 Feb 2024 06:20 next collapse

you don’t need to know what the problematic content is

You seem like the kind of person who would become a moderator, start banning people and when they ask why they were banned you would block them after replying “lol get fucked”

In what way is acquiring more knowledge a bad thing? If I don’t recognize any possible problematic content, but other people say it’s there, why shouldn’t I be a Le to ask what’s problematic about it? Have I been going around being casually racist without knowing?

Like damn my dude you’re getting pissed at people for wanting to better themselves.

GBU_28@lemm.ee on 14 Feb 2024 06:26 next collapse

Shhhluuurrrrp

Nudding@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 06:46 collapse

Then they don’t need me to buy their shit lol.

reversebananimals@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 07:19 next collapse

There might be others, but The Dagger of Xian plotline in Tomb Raider II is a little “woo woo Chinese mysticism”. You plunge it into your heart and turn into a dragon.

I’m not offended by it but I’d imagine that’s not the kind of thing you’d write in a video game today.

dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Feb 2024 14:21 collapse

Yet the Uncharted games exist.

grayhaze@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 15:40 collapse

Dinosaurs without feathers.

Cruxifux@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 04:08 next collapse

Imma just be pissed if her tiddies ain’t triangles.

p1mrx@sh.itjust.works on 14 Feb 2024 04:25 next collapse

triggies

reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 14:15 next collapse

Trigolbitties

CM400@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 15:26 collapse

Tritties?

[deleted] on 14 Feb 2024 17:30 collapse

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Psythik@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 14:41 next collapse

If that thumbnail is a screenshot of the remaster, then they’re looking rather round to me.

johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 21:12 collapse

The collection has both a remastered graphics mode and an option to switch to the original graphics.

Cruxifux@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 03:54 collapse

Well I’ll put the torch and pitchfork away for now then

FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 15:16 next collapse

This is fine, no issues really, but if you’re offended by something in a video game fictional story that was made over 20 years ago you should go touch grass.

Zahille7@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 15:26 next collapse

They did the same thing with the Destroy All Humans! remakes. Which was probably needed, because the Japanese level in 2 is really iffy

FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 18:51 next collapse

eh. i get the ‘need’ for these companies to have the disclaimers and i honestly appreciate that they are not changing anything here. but the mob is fickle and seemingly can’t distinguish real life from the online life where being offended somehow gives them clout.

HawlSera@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 07:01 collapse

Yeah the Japan level made my jaw drop… the early 2000’s really were the last time you could be this blatantly racist against the Asian Community in popular media… But I’d rather go “Oooof” than pretend the game and by extension society was never like this.

CasualPenguin@reddthat.com on 15 Feb 2024 01:00 next collapse

Do you see any merit to the pushback against such media?

You sound like you favor rationalism, and I agree with dismissing people who are crazy, but setting crazy people aside, do you see potential harm in promoting negative racial and ethnic stereotypes?

FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 15:20 collapse

Stereotypes exist for a reason. They aren’t made up, non-existent characteristics. 90% of people that are getting offended by such things are not even part of the group that’s being stereotyped. It’s usually white liberals that are “offended” by any of this. Are they beneficial? probably not, but they sure are not nearly as harmful as people like you make them out to be. As a straight white man, I’m vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype. So I don’t put any stock into hypocritical perceived slights against humanity.

CasualPenguin@reddthat.com on 15 Feb 2024 16:32 next collapse

Got it, so you have a major victim complex and don’t really have a rational argument for the rest. Thank you for at least being clear

FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 18:02 collapse

Thank you for proving my point.

CasualPenguin@reddthat.com on 16 Feb 2024 01:02 next collapse

Stereotypes exist for a reason. They aren’t made up, non-existent characteristics.

As a straight white man, I’m vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype.

You rationalized deserving vilification, and whinged about what a victim you are. You can’t think this conversation is in your favor.

CasualPenguin@reddthat.com on 20 Feb 2024 21:15 collapse

Went silent real fast eh?

FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world on 20 Feb 2024 21:41 collapse

sorry my life doesn’t revolve around your internet drama. got real shit to deal with. like work. and life. idgaf what you think about me of what point you think you’re making. have fun with what little “power” you think you have here. i couldn’t care less about this.

CasualPenguin@reddthat.com on 21 Feb 2024 16:16 collapse

Who the hell doesn’t?

You’re the one out online here spewing your opinion that what other people care about isn’t important.

Once again you reveal yourself a hypocrite

FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world on 21 Feb 2024 19:18 collapse

how is it hypocritical? idgaf what you think, just like you likely don’t gaf what I think. you’re just out to call people names behind the safety of a keyboard and screen.

WldFyre@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 20:37 collapse

As a straight white man, I’m vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype

Lmao you dingus

Katana314@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 16:18 collapse

Even if I agree some games have gone too far on censorship, I don’t like having this totalitarian attitude to any kind of “offense”.

There are certain weird themes I really like in niche games, but I acknowledge if they were “thrown in” to a game about shooting or adventure, would sour the experience for a lot of common players. I’d point to perverted character designs as a common one - sexualized character designs are obviously appealing to some players, but to others they can actually make it hard to get absorbed in the story of a game like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 or Nier Automata. Even for a series like Persona, there have been players that decided “What weeb shit” and abandon the game because of the way female characters get harassed at times.

It’s easy to call it “political”, but politics comes from personal opinions - and it can genuinely affect how people view the media. These days I have a much more vehement reaction to stereotyped Native-American depictions (“Indians”) over when I was a kid. I doubt it’d make me hate Tomb Raider, but I can see why they’d have a warning.

[deleted] on 14 Feb 2024 15:18 next collapse

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KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 14 Feb 2024 15:20 next collapse

This is perfectly fine, its how they did it for the old Looney Tunes DVDs.

MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml on 14 Feb 2024 15:54 next collapse

And is what they should do rather than trying to delete it.

Provide context so that future generations can enjoy what’s good about the media and acknowledge how parts of the content/media are problematic and not appropriate.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 17:19 collapse

Something I and probably everyone else forgets is that Looney Tunes was made in the 1930s and 1940s, not the 1990s.

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 14 Feb 2024 16:16 next collapse

Genuinely struggling to remember what that could even be about.

I mean, it’s been like 25 years since I played them, but I don’t recall any obviously bad things in there. It’s not like it was filled with old Jackie Chan film levels of cartoon racism.

HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works on 14 Feb 2024 17:23 next collapse

I think there were some “jungle tribe” type enemies somewhere but don’t quote me on that

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 14 Feb 2024 21:25 next collapse

The voice acting has quite a range of stereotyped accents. Nothing they say is overtly racist, but the over the top accents themselves are insensitive.

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 14 Feb 2024 21:45 collapse

Oh, OK. So more George Lucas than Tintin in the Congo.

HawlSera@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 07:02 collapse

In Tomb Raider 3 an antagonist faction includes black men who want to eat Laura, and not in the same way I do if you catch my meaning.

PieMePlenty@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 12:43 collapse

I haven’t played it but that doesn’t sound racist to me if the context is right. There are cannibal tribes today. They are black skinned. This is fact.

moon@lemmy.cafe on 15 Feb 2024 01:41 next collapse

Much better then censoring the original content. Should also give a warning for dangerously sharp tiddies!

lud@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 10:19 collapse

Doesn’t the remaster smooth out the breasts? Looks like it.

yamanii@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 14:37 collapse

You can toggle it like Halo Anniversary.

callouscomic@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 17:47 next collapse

Halo smoothed out dem titties?! Master Chief, noooooooooo!!!

lud@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 19:05 collapse

That’s nice!

Thcdenton@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 06:48 next collapse

Lo Wang has entered the chat.

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Shadywack@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 14:56 next collapse

Do you want to wash wang, or watch Wang, wash wang?

samus12345@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 15:11 collapse

WHOOOO want-a some Wang?

HawlSera@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 06:59 next collapse

Honestly I’m glad we’ve moved from “Censor out anything that might be slightly objectionable” (Like they did with Sam & Max for example, and I believe the GTA Trilogy got hit with a bit of this), to “Look the game is old and from a different time, what society deems acceptable is always changing, deal with it or move on.”

I’m so beyond tired of being told I can’t have a steak because a baby can’t chew it. I actually bought this three pack solely because it didn’t censor Tomb Raider, a game I was very sure they were going to censor

samus12345@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 18:48 collapse

Like they did with Sam & Max

I had to look that one up since I had no recollection of anything that stood out as offensive. Most seemed silly to change to me, but I do agree with changing the line about the goggles being designed for special needs children after Sam referred to Max’s “hideously oversized skull.”

HawlSera@lemm.ee on 16 Feb 2024 03:45 collapse

Sam & Max didn’t cause that much of a fuss because all purchases of it came with the original version of the game, but the censoring was still cringe.

Ilflish@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 08:05 next collapse

Neat, I’m with everyone here when I say this is the much better solution.I’d prefer it to be a bit more clear of a warning and a bit less of a company apology so people who do need the warnings such as younger kids are informed and not immediately put off by playing something almost immediately presented as ‘inexcusable’.

merthyr1831@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 12:52 next collapse

didn’t need to be news does it?

Mr_Blott@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 15:03 collapse

No but they have to make it news before some teenager who just learned about virtue signalling goes off on one because their mum paid more attention to Candy Crush than them

yamanii@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 14:37 next collapse

I’m glad they did that, change on a remake or something, I don’t recall if they actually did it for Anniversary since it was still a ps2 game, but if games are art they should be preserved as they were, this is just a remaster that you can even play with the old graphics if you want.

callouscomic@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 17:45 next collapse

Ermahgerd! Why dey gutta ram politics into mah games, they’re ruining my heritage or something I dunno, rabble rabble!!!

/s for the morons

dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Feb 2024 20:45 collapse

Isn’t this what the ESRB rating description is for? We label games M for Mature if there’s swearing, blood, violence, and sex, but not for insensitive cultural stereotypes?