Kennystillalive@feddit.org
on 11 Jun 08:52
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So much for the boycott and all the negative press it got.
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jun 09:50
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Non-tech people usually don’t care about the ToS and the dirty practices a company does. They’ll gladly pay for the ‘convenience’.
Most Nintendo fans even argued that prices, new ToS (bricking the device) and such were “justifiable”. Same thing about owning games, most argued that “in today’s era you barely own anything anyway”.
It’s very unfortunate and sad to see but it is reality.
Personally though, I’ll wait for either a working emulation or when there’s an actual exploit found to hack the Switch 2.
Boycott 101, it’s not a boycott if you doesn’t want to buy that shit before calling boycott.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 10:38
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In the end of the day Nintendo products are for casual gamers who only care about commercial material. It wouldn‘t even cross their minds to read reviews or discuss it outside their neoliberal Discord bubble. Emulating? How scary!
Besides, the Switch is a beloved system and many users waited for an upgrade for years. The Switch 2 is downwards compatible and able to give your older games a considerable performance boost. 90€ for new games just isn‘t enough of an argument to sit out this generation when you‘ve already spent thousands on games in the Nintendo ecosystem. The locked in effect is strong.
I am not very surprised by this but I sure as hell am glad I bought my Switch and and several games second hand for I‘m mostly a PC gamer.
In the end of the day Nintendo products are for casual gamers who only care about commercial material. It wouldn‘t even cross their minds to read reviews or discuss it outside their neoliberal Discord bubble. Emulating? How scary!
This sounds very inaccurate to me. Either that, or I just learned that I am a casual gamer that only cares about commercial material. And it seems that I don’t read reviews or only discuss things on some hypothetical neoliberal Discord bubble.
You derive far too much meaning from people’s preferences for console platform.
The Switch 2 is a fine upgrade to a successful but aging system?
I mean, the price is similar to the cheapest Steam Deck I can find, which has a similar form factor. Beyond that, it is compatible with my switch 1 library, and those games will benefit from the more powerful Switch 2 hardware - some of those had occasional slowdowns on the old hardware. What’s not to like?
First party games are slightly more expensive, but that is to be expected as the industry is inching towards more expensive games. That is understandable considering inflation. As a point of reference, in the early 90s I bought TLoZ: ALttP for around 50 USD. In today’s money it would be considerably more expensive than the price increase.
On the bright side, Nintendo games at least don’t have awful monetization and tend to be released in a complete state. I prefer to pay 80 for this than 60 for a game that will be full of microtransactions anyway (as most AAA tend to be).
Beyond that, it seems the joycons are crap, as the old ones were. Does not matter much to me, I only use the Switch docked and I have much superior 8BitDo controllers to play anyway. I never really touch the joycons.
And to be honest, all first party controllers seem to be crap nowadays. My PS5 controller had horrible drift after a few months of light use. Might be even more fragile than the joycons.
So yeah, I think the idea of a boycott was pointless.
Is this enough og a different perspective? Or am I just some Discord neoliberal?
So that’s what ticket you off? Because we agree on pretty much everything else it seems. I really don’t know what to tell you here. Discord’s entire business model is neoliberal to the core so naturally you find tons of neoliberals on servers there. You know the kind who complained about 90€ for Mariokart and 10€ for Welcome Tour once they were announced but then shared pics of their Switch 2 hauls on release day in the same chat. It is what it is and I think there is no point in having strong feelings about it.
I just think it’s an odd insult. I don’t particularly like Discord, but I use it here and there because that seems to be the current replacement for what would have been private forums back in the day. I didn’t think having that piece of garbage software installed would say much of my political positions.
I use Discord too. This isn‘t about you or every single Discord user specifically but my impression of the average user and consumer. They may complain at first but then they vote with their wallet and often can‘t even help making ironic remarks about having irresponsible spending habits. Why you bought it is up to you and I think there are good reasons for it despite everything. The console is at the beginning of it‘s life cycle so it‘s a bit early to completely judge for me.
I sure as hell am glad I bought my Switch and and several games second hand
I had a Switch but I sold it after realizing that even second hand games sell for 90% of new. I’ve no idea how the economics of that situation works out…
ampersandrew@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 11:19
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Matt Piscatella pointed out on Bluesky that a launch like this is only a function of how much inventory they made available. The Xbox One had the third most successful US launch of a console.
Every Nintendo console released gets negative press. I remember the articles bashing the original Switch because it was underpowered and that it was another gimmicky console - only for it becoming so successful that the form factor is being copied left and right.
As for boycotts, I only saw people bitching about games being more expensive. I get it, I too would love to get shit for free. But inflation is a thing, games are more expensive to make nowadays, and that cost will be offloaded to consumers. At least Nintendo games are not plagued with monetization and typically are released in a complete state.
So did the Wii, I remember the game press making fun of the gimmicky motion controls.
My point is that negative press for Nintendo on every console iteration is a given, and very little can be extracted from it.
paultimate14@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 12:51
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You and I remember the press for the Wii very, very differently. Just look at the Wikipedia article listing all the awards it won before or around it’s launch. Game Critics, Spike TV, Golden Joystick, Popular Science, IGN, GameSpot, the Guardian, and much more. including awards and praise for the innovative controls.
Was there negativity? Sure, but it was a miniscule minority. The kind of thing only an extremely defensive Nintendo fan would notice. The Wii sold out instantly and was impossible to find for the first year or two, similar the PS5 except without the excuse of a global pandemic disrupting supply chains.
It’s not some anti-Nintendo bias. The press was pretty mixed on the Xbox One for example, with some outlets pointing out it was a bit overpriced, and of course the whole debacle about being always-online and the Kinect being mandatory caused a lot of backlash. The PS3 was seen as overpriced at launch and got a 6/10 from IGN.
And another important factor is that conditions change after launch. (The 360 probably would have had worse reviews if the press knew about the red ring of death before launch. The PS3 saw price reductions and eventually outsold the 360 despite having a worse launch. The 3DS floundered for its first few months until Nintendo dropped the price.
The press is neither monolithic nor perfect. I guarantee you can find some outlet somewhere with the exact take you are looking for, but to just dismiss the entire industry because you don’t agree with most of them on the Switch 2 seems like coping.
Call it coping all you want. We are talking about an event that happened more than 2 decades ago. I was there, and I clearly remember a lot of negative press for every Nintendo console.
Fun fact by the way, I am not even necessarily a Nintendo fan. I loved the SNES and all their handhelds, but I really hated the N64 and seriously disliked the Wii U, and I was never all that much in love with the Wii. But I recognize that every console iteration the gaming press spells doom for Nintendo. It’s almost a meme at this point.
Also, it’s not only for Nintendo, I do lump the vast majority of gaming press in the “trash” category. I completely ignore professional reviews for a reason. Gaming press is just marketing and PR.
I’m old enough to remember people saying the n64 sucked compared to the PlayStation. Then I remember Mario 64 and GoldenEye being released.
Nintendo consoles are usually underpowered and the games are often overpriced…but there are reasons why people keep going with the company. They make fun shit.
Aside from the analog sticks, the console itself seems like a fine upgrade from the original making it a tempting for anyone looking for “Switch Pro”. But it’ll be intersting to see how the price of games and the digital key aspect will affect the game sales down the line.
Steam Deck and other portable pc:s seem to be also getting a lot of momentum so there’s increasing amount of competition for handheld devices which was not really the chase with Switch 1.
SolidShake@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 13:37
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There’s no competition for handhelds dude l. This the switch 2… there was one before it. And it’s a console.
Mthe steam deck came out after the switch, you could emulate like 95% of the switch library on the steamd deck plus steam games plus wharever you wanted. I’d imagine in 2-3 years the steam deck 2 will come out. But all this is is just a console vs a PC… Still… Just like before.
Nintendo kant shaking anything up except that every company will now sell games at $80. Nintendo fucked everyone
Not yet, but availability of steam decks and other pc handhelds is improving rapidly.
Valve also just recently allowed other manufacturers like Lenovo to produce their own devices.
PC gaming is currently overshadowing console gaming and these pc handhelds are just extension of that.
It’s that a handful of people virtue signaling about how bad X game/company is on niche social media communities don’t matter if their opinions aren’t aligned with your average person.
Most people just enjoy games as a hobby and treat it the same way they treat picking something to watch on Netflix.
iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 14:48
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I would wager they many of the same people arguing for a boycott went on to purchase it anyway. Opinions are free, as long as it doesn’t affect your life in any way.
On the plus side, the virtue signalers saved $ and can spend it on something that’ll bring them more joy and is hopefully more aligned with their views. And gives them practice and a mindset of “I’m the kind of person willing to boycott” for any other boycotts that might have a real effect someday.
…I have thought about it and it is interesting that “virtue signal” is such a dirty word now. When I say “please” and “thank you” I’m essentially just virtue signaling that I’m willing to play nice, but nobody calls me the bad word for that. Although I understand that the current use of “virtue signal” is more about people you find to be sanctimonious and obnoxious online who you personally don’t think actually bother with real activism, just online keyboard warrior-ing, and not about any type of “hi, I am not horrible to interact with” social signaling ever.
On the plus side, the virtue signalers saved $ and can spend it on something that’ll bring them more joy and is hopefully more aligned with their views. And gives them practice and a mindset of “I’m the kind of person willing to boycott” for any other boycotts that might have a real effect someday.
It’s not really a boycott if you never really planned on buying the product. Otherwise, I’m technically boycotting Apple and Ford. Because I don’t buy Apply products and I don’t buy Ford cars.
When I say “please” and “thank you” I’m essentially just virtue signaling that I’m willing to play nice…
Those are specific actions you are taking in being kind and nice towards another person in reality. However, if you were to make a comment on Lemmy about how kind of a person you are because you claim you say “please” and “thank you” all the time, then that would be virtue signaling, because making claims about what you do or care about on social media is relatively meaningless without the specific actions being taken outside of that context.
So, in this case, talking about how evil Nintendo is for pricing a game at $80, what does that do exactly? Why should anyone else listen or care about someone expressing that opinion? Are you joining activist groups and spending time or money pushing for laws/politicians/etc to enact change to fight back against these actions? If so, then that’s not virtue signaling. But I’m unconvinced most people expressing these opinions and upvoting/downvoting posts and comments are doing anything beyond exactly that.
Most charitable interpretation: social pressure to get others to not buy, thereby hurting Nintendo just that bit more. I can say I was planning on buying a Switch at one point, but all these comments and news posts about anticompetitive practices have turned me away and slotted me in the “not buying” category.
Somewhat charitable interpretation: maybe venting outrage? Frustration at being the little guy in this situation who can’t do much? If you hate homelessness you can go volunteer at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter or donate money to either two, but if you hate these rising prices not much I’m aware of that you can do besides raging online and hoping you turn others away from buying. Although to be fair, you just proposed some things. Promoting other games instead could also help.
I don’t care too much about virtue signaling. What bothers me is people getting nasty and personal, and unfortunately that often happens in Company Does Bad Thing comment sections, so I’ve learned not to click on them. I should probably change that to big company news at all. I say this all because I want to say thanks for kind of disagreeing with me while also not being awful to me in this discussion. But I get how virtue signaling can annoy others.
I have thought about it and it is interesting that “virtue signal” is such a dirty word now. When I say “please” and “thank you” I’m essentially just virtue signaling that I’m willing to play nice
“Virtue signalling” implies a level of hypocrisy. Like, you don’t really care about the underlying issue, and only cares in reality to look like you do.
When you say “please” and “thank you” you are being polite. You may be “virtue signalling” politeness when in truth you are an asshole, but I would be unable to tell, so I give the benefit of doubt.
By the way, I dislike the term “virtue signalling” as I think it was overused to the point of meaninglessness, and I have an issue with that. On top of that, sometimes performative actions do matter to call attention to a given cause. Things are more nuanced sometimes.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
on 11 Jun 13:50
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That’s why i was honestly surprised they sell it for that “cheap” the numbers would’ve been pretty similar for 50-100 dollars more.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 16:08
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An intentional boycott, no. But we don’t know how a console will do by its launch. The Wii U and 3DS sold out at launch too after having very successful predecessors. It wouldn’t be people intentionally boycotting that would humble Nintendo, but the masses just deciding it’s not worth their money for them or their kids. We’ll see what they do.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Jun 00:26
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I don’t think the Xbox One was a disappointment due to a boycott, I think it was just a product people didn’t feel the need to buy.
Sure, there was early controversy about the always-online DRM approach they planned to take, but it didn’t launch with that in the end. What killed its hype was just being US$100 more expensive than the PS4 and having no killer exclusives lined up.
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 10:32
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Yea was thinking the same thing. “How many of those are scalpers?”
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 11:44
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Nintendo has spent decades building an extremely loyal, multigenerational consumer base. They also release very popular, high quality games. I have no interest in owning a Switch, but I get why so many people do.
Except that they are not high-quality. For example, Pokemon Scarlet.
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jun 17:52
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Ah yes, the one Nintendo IP that has gone to shit. Not fully by the way, as Legends Arceus was fantastic, and even my mom who hasn’t given a fuck about Pokemon since Yellow loved watching me play it. If Gamefreak would finally make another side game like Mystery Dungeon (or the more forgotten cult classics like Pokepark, Ranger, Conquest, Rumble, etc.) we wouldn’t be trolling them so hard. It’s also more of a Gamefreak problem than anything, as other companies that did Pokemon games (Chunsoft, Genius Sonority, etc.) did fantastic.
Anyway Zelda and Mario are still making bangers, Kirby Air Riders is coming back, Metroid fans are fed, Splatoon is getting a whole new game for Switch 2 (fuck me…), people are still relatively happy with Animal Crossing NH, we’ll see how Donkey Kong’s new game does, and while FE’s newest entry wasn’t so hot you can’t ignore how Three Houses brought in a brand new wave of loyal FE fans.
Literally everyone knows Pokemon mainline has been going to shit (and not the characters, designs, music, etc. imo, just the animations and story writing). Pick another game, even Nintendo (and Pokemon) fans make fun of it.
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 18:21
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We’ll have to see how Beast of Reincarnation turns out. Gamefreak’s other side games weren’t anything spectacular, except for Smart Ball.
Yeah, PC gamers bent the knee to Steam decades ago at this point. This isn’t exactly a brand new issue.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jun 20:07
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The vast majority of Steam games can be easily cracked and played offline if they ever go rogue. Modern console games are much more difficult to jailbreak like that.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social
on 11 Jun 12:43
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Four days?
They were gone day one where I live. Where the fuck did people find them 4 days after release?
Its probably the case that these are separate groups.
These prices are not pulled out of asses, they calculate the maximum they can charge while keeping or increasing their market share/profitbaility. It sucks the games are going up but people are entitled to begrudgingly take part because they enjoy the product.
SolidShake@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 13:28
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And with that. Every gamer was fucked
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jun 14:23
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Expect the OLED model in a year or two to be $600-$650
samus12345@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 15:51
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Not yet. The 3DS and Wii U sold out at launch, too, but after the diehards all got them, nobody else wanted them. The 3DS recovered after they dropped the price by $80 6 months after launch, but the Wii U never did. Maybe that won’t happen this time and we truly are fucked, but time will tell. Historically, Nintendo fucks up after they have a successful console and get cocky with the next one.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 16:11
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Don’t forget that the Wii U had one of the most incompetent console marketing campaigns of all time. Just two years ago I met someone who still didn’t know it was a console and not an accessory.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 16:17
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That’s true, but that alone doesn’t account for how just how bad it did. The idea that Nintendo consoles are always bought up by lots of people no matter what is completely untrue. One big advantage they’ve always had that they no longer do is affordability compared to the competition. What will determine whether it’s a success will ultimately be how many good exclusive games they can pump out, and their track record has been awful since the launch of the Switch. A very large chunk were Wii U ports, which worked because nobody had one, but they’re already heavily shilling Switch 1 upsells. Diehards will of course snatch them up, but with 150 million Switches out there I question how interested the masses will be in them. If Nintendo seriously ups their game and consistently puts out new good games, I imagine people will stomach the prices. But are they even capable of that any more?
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jun 14:37
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We get stories like this all the time.
Was the switch 2 a successful launch from a monetary perspective: Hopefully
But people also have to understand. Gaming gets more and more mainstream every year AND population increases every year. Of course units sold are going to increase. The last time we had a console launch was 2020-ish. It has been five years of new people getting into video games and so forth.
Its similar logic to any time we see “Call of Auto 789151 is the fastest selling Call of Auto ever!”… Of course it is. If it wasn’t then that would be a huge red flag for the franchise.
Your comment was removed for being an ass, stop playing a victim.
For reference, it was:
All you motherfuckers who bought this can no longer bitch about their prices nor any of their anti consumer practices You have the right to shut the fuck up for anything they do for all time
The original switch was a bargain too relatively speaking. My one switch outlasted about five or six phones I owned over the same time span.
It does kinda suck that it’s gone up in price in the new generation, but like… PlayStation 5 was also around the same price a couple of years ago, when money was worth more.
Yeah, I’m not happy about the Switch 2, but the amount of cope is unbelievable. I’ve seen multiple people claiming, “the Wii U sold out a launch too,” even though the Wii U sold worse than the Wii on opening weekend. The sales might still fall off a cliff in a month, but breaking the PS4’s record for launch sales is not a great sign.
I had to block the Nintendo communities because it’s beyond infuriating how god damn fucking stupid Nintendo fanboys are. They do not listen to logic or reason.
So despite all of the bitching and moaning about all of the “game breaking” features, the shitty little camera, the lack of original games and the price they still bought it. This is why companies keep putting out crap.
Exactly! Rewarding bad behavior is a understatement in this case. I grew up with Nintendo but as it stands they’re a disgusting corporation in which I want nothing to do with! They LITERALLY ruined Lives! I suggest every Gamer researches NintenDONTs dark history.
Sebastrion@leminal.space
on 13 Jun 03:09
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Man, the comment section here is wild!
If we would all listen to Lemmy, we would need to boycott:
Nintendo, Sony, Windows, Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard, Pokemon, Disney+, Netflix, every other streaming service that exists.
We also need to boycott Fromsoftware a little bit because for some reason a 40$ game is a scam…
It’s feels impossible to talk about anything positive in most of Lemmy’s sub’s.
People here are calling people dumb and stupid for having fun with a console, while they suck off Steam that also just shut down a Fan Mod for Counter Strike and unless other Fan Games, they had approval to develop it.
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world
on 13 Jun 14:09
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If we would all listen to Lemmy, we would need to boycott: Nintendo, Sony, Windows, Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard, Pokemon, Disney+, Netflix
I do boycott all of these as well as EA (made an exception for Split Fiction), most fast food restaurants, and I am trying to use Amazon significantly less.
And this is why The Gaming Industry is in COMPLETE turmoil! Sheeple literally reward the most abysmal business practices. Which in turn ruins it for everyone.
If a dog was to bite your hand would you immediately offer it a treat?
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So much for the boycott and all the negative press it got.
Non-tech people usually don’t care about the ToS and the dirty practices a company does. They’ll gladly pay for the ‘convenience’.
Most Nintendo fans even argued that prices, new ToS (bricking the device) and such were “justifiable”. Same thing about owning games, most argued that “in today’s era you barely own anything anyway”.
It’s very unfortunate and sad to see but it is reality.
Personally though, I’ll wait for either a working emulation or when there’s an actual exploit found to hack the Switch 2.
Tech people here not sure why you think we care more than others. I want to play new Nintendo games and I can afford it. That’s really all it’s about.
You might not care but tech people do care. Much more than non-tech people.
A statement can be true even when it does not apply to you.
Gamers are the least savvy consumers on earth.
What boycott? Don’t overestimate bla bla bla on lemmy and other social media.
Boycott 101, it’s not a boycott if you doesn’t want to buy that shit before calling boycott.
In the end of the day Nintendo products are for casual gamers who only care about commercial material. It wouldn‘t even cross their minds to read reviews or discuss it outside their neoliberal Discord bubble. Emulating? How scary!
Besides, the Switch is a beloved system and many users waited for an upgrade for years. The Switch 2 is downwards compatible and able to give your older games a considerable performance boost. 90€ for new games just isn‘t enough of an argument to sit out this generation when you‘ve already spent thousands on games in the Nintendo ecosystem. The locked in effect is strong.
I am not very surprised by this but I sure as hell am glad I bought my Switch and and several games second hand for I‘m mostly a PC gamer.
This sounds very inaccurate to me. Either that, or I just learned that I am a casual gamer that only cares about commercial material. And it seems that I don’t read reviews or only discuss things on some hypothetical neoliberal Discord bubble.
You derive far too much meaning from people’s preferences for console platform.
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Care to paint a different perspective for me then? Just disagreeing isn‘t a good strategy for a discussion.
The Switch 2 is a fine upgrade to a successful but aging system?
I mean, the price is similar to the cheapest Steam Deck I can find, which has a similar form factor. Beyond that, it is compatible with my switch 1 library, and those games will benefit from the more powerful Switch 2 hardware - some of those had occasional slowdowns on the old hardware. What’s not to like?
First party games are slightly more expensive, but that is to be expected as the industry is inching towards more expensive games. That is understandable considering inflation. As a point of reference, in the early 90s I bought TLoZ: ALttP for around 50 USD. In today’s money it would be considerably more expensive than the price increase.
On the bright side, Nintendo games at least don’t have awful monetization and tend to be released in a complete state. I prefer to pay 80 for this than 60 for a game that will be full of microtransactions anyway (as most AAA tend to be).
Beyond that, it seems the joycons are crap, as the old ones were. Does not matter much to me, I only use the Switch docked and I have much superior 8BitDo controllers to play anyway. I never really touch the joycons.
And to be honest, all first party controllers seem to be crap nowadays. My PS5 controller had horrible drift after a few months of light use. Might be even more fragile than the joycons.
So yeah, I think the idea of a boycott was pointless.
Is this enough og a different perspective? Or am I just some Discord neoliberal?
So that’s what ticket you off? Because we agree on pretty much everything else it seems. I really don’t know what to tell you here. Discord’s entire business model is neoliberal to the core so naturally you find tons of neoliberals on servers there. You know the kind who complained about 90€ for Mariokart and 10€ for Welcome Tour once they were announced but then shared pics of their Switch 2 hauls on release day in the same chat. It is what it is and I think there is no point in having strong feelings about it.
I just think it’s an odd insult. I don’t particularly like Discord, but I use it here and there because that seems to be the current replacement for what would have been private forums back in the day. I didn’t think having that piece of garbage software installed would say much of my political positions.
I use Discord too. This isn‘t about you or every single Discord user specifically but my impression of the average user and consumer. They may complain at first but then they vote with their wallet and often can‘t even help making ironic remarks about having irresponsible spending habits. Why you bought it is up to you and I think there are good reasons for it despite everything. The console is at the beginning of it‘s life cycle so it‘s a bit early to completely judge for me.
I had a Switch but I sold it after realizing that even second hand games sell for 90% of new. I’ve no idea how the economics of that situation works out…
Matt Piscatella pointed out on Bluesky that a launch like this is only a function of how much inventory they made available. The Xbox One had the third most successful US launch of a console.
Every Nintendo console released gets negative press. I remember the articles bashing the original Switch because it was underpowered and that it was another gimmicky console - only for it becoming so successful that the form factor is being copied left and right.
As for boycotts, I only saw people bitching about games being more expensive. I get it, I too would love to get shit for free. But inflation is a thing, games are more expensive to make nowadays, and that cost will be offloaded to consumers. At least Nintendo games are not plagued with monetization and typically are released in a complete state.
The WiiU also got negative press. That doesn’t somehow redeem it.
So did the Wii, I remember the game press making fun of the gimmicky motion controls.
My point is that negative press for Nintendo on every console iteration is a given, and very little can be extracted from it.
You and I remember the press for the Wii very, very differently. Just look at the Wikipedia article listing all the awards it won before or around it’s launch. Game Critics, Spike TV, Golden Joystick, Popular Science, IGN, GameSpot, the Guardian, and much more. including awards and praise for the innovative controls.
Was there negativity? Sure, but it was a miniscule minority. The kind of thing only an extremely defensive Nintendo fan would notice. The Wii sold out instantly and was impossible to find for the first year or two, similar the PS5 except without the excuse of a global pandemic disrupting supply chains.
It’s not some anti-Nintendo bias. The press was pretty mixed on the Xbox One for example, with some outlets pointing out it was a bit overpriced, and of course the whole debacle about being always-online and the Kinect being mandatory caused a lot of backlash. The PS3 was seen as overpriced at launch and got a 6/10 from IGN.
And another important factor is that conditions change after launch. (The 360 probably would have had worse reviews if the press knew about the red ring of death before launch. The PS3 saw price reductions and eventually outsold the 360 despite having a worse launch. The 3DS floundered for its first few months until Nintendo dropped the price.
The press is neither monolithic nor perfect. I guarantee you can find some outlet somewhere with the exact take you are looking for, but to just dismiss the entire industry because you don’t agree with most of them on the Switch 2 seems like coping.
Call it coping all you want. We are talking about an event that happened more than 2 decades ago. I was there, and I clearly remember a lot of negative press for every Nintendo console.
Fun fact by the way, I am not even necessarily a Nintendo fan. I loved the SNES and all their handhelds, but I really hated the N64 and seriously disliked the Wii U, and I was never all that much in love with the Wii. But I recognize that every console iteration the gaming press spells doom for Nintendo. It’s almost a meme at this point.
Also, it’s not only for Nintendo, I do lump the vast majority of gaming press in the “trash” category. I completely ignore professional reviews for a reason. Gaming press is just marketing and PR.
I’m old enough to remember people saying the n64 sucked compared to the PlayStation. Then I remember Mario 64 and GoldenEye being released.
Nintendo consoles are usually underpowered and the games are often overpriced…but there are reasons why people keep going with the company. They make fun shit.
Aside from the analog sticks, the console itself seems like a fine upgrade from the original making it a tempting for anyone looking for “Switch Pro”. But it’ll be intersting to see how the price of games and the digital key aspect will affect the game sales down the line.
Steam Deck and other portable pc:s seem to be also getting a lot of momentum so there’s increasing amount of competition for handheld devices which was not really the chase with Switch 1.
There’s no competition for handhelds dude l. This the switch 2… there was one before it. And it’s a console. Mthe steam deck came out after the switch, you could emulate like 95% of the switch library on the steamd deck plus steam games plus wharever you wanted. I’d imagine in 2-3 years the steam deck 2 will come out. But all this is is just a console vs a PC… Still… Just like before. Nintendo kant shaking anything up except that every company will now sell games at $80. Nintendo fucked everyone
How?
Did you all forget that Sony has been selling games at US$80 since 2020?
Could you name one game please.
The Last of Us Part 1.
$70. Can you name another one with accuracy though.
PC handhelds are nowhere near switch + switch 2, 3.5M units almost equal total number of Steam Decks sold since its launch in 2022.
Not yet, but availability of steam decks and other pc handhelds is improving rapidly. Valve also just recently allowed other manufacturers like Lenovo to produce their own devices.
PC gaming is currently overshadowing console gaming and these pc handhelds are just extension of that.
There are three guarantees in life:
Death
Taxes
A video game boycott will never succeed.
It’s not really about boycotts not working.
It’s that a handful of people virtue signaling about how bad X game/company is on niche social media communities don’t matter if their opinions aren’t aligned with your average person.
Most people just enjoy games as a hobby and treat it the same way they treat picking something to watch on Netflix.
I would wager they many of the same people arguing for a boycott went on to purchase it anyway. Opinions are free, as long as it doesn’t affect your life in any way.
On the plus side, the virtue signalers saved $ and can spend it on something that’ll bring them more joy and is hopefully more aligned with their views. And gives them practice and a mindset of “I’m the kind of person willing to boycott” for any other boycotts that might have a real effect someday.
…I have thought about it and it is interesting that “virtue signal” is such a dirty word now. When I say “please” and “thank you” I’m essentially just virtue signaling that I’m willing to play nice, but nobody calls me the bad word for that. Although I understand that the current use of “virtue signal” is more about people you find to be sanctimonious and obnoxious online who you personally don’t think actually bother with real activism, just online keyboard warrior-ing, and not about any type of “hi, I am not horrible to interact with” social signaling ever.
It’s not really a boycott if you never really planned on buying the product. Otherwise, I’m technically boycotting Apple and Ford. Because I don’t buy Apply products and I don’t buy Ford cars.
Those are specific actions you are taking in being kind and nice towards another person in reality. However, if you were to make a comment on Lemmy about how kind of a person you are because you claim you say “please” and “thank you” all the time, then that would be virtue signaling, because making claims about what you do or care about on social media is relatively meaningless without the specific actions being taken outside of that context.
So, in this case, talking about how evil Nintendo is for pricing a game at $80, what does that do exactly? Why should anyone else listen or care about someone expressing that opinion? Are you joining activist groups and spending time or money pushing for laws/politicians/etc to enact change to fight back against these actions? If so, then that’s not virtue signaling. But I’m unconvinced most people expressing these opinions and upvoting/downvoting posts and comments are doing anything beyond exactly that.
Most charitable interpretation: social pressure to get others to not buy, thereby hurting Nintendo just that bit more. I can say I was planning on buying a Switch at one point, but all these comments and news posts about anticompetitive practices have turned me away and slotted me in the “not buying” category.
Somewhat charitable interpretation: maybe venting outrage? Frustration at being the little guy in this situation who can’t do much? If you hate homelessness you can go volunteer at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter or donate money to either two, but if you hate these rising prices not much I’m aware of that you can do besides raging online and hoping you turn others away from buying. Although to be fair, you just proposed some things. Promoting other games instead could also help.
I don’t care too much about virtue signaling. What bothers me is people getting nasty and personal, and unfortunately that often happens in Company Does Bad Thing comment sections, so I’ve learned not to click on them. I should probably change that to big company news at all. I say this all because I want to say thanks for kind of disagreeing with me while also not being awful to me in this discussion. But I get how virtue signaling can annoy others.
“Virtue signalling” implies a level of hypocrisy. Like, you don’t really care about the underlying issue, and only cares in reality to look like you do.
When you say “please” and “thank you” you are being polite. You may be “virtue signalling” politeness when in truth you are an asshole, but I would be unable to tell, so I give the benefit of doubt.
By the way, I dislike the term “virtue signalling” as I think it was overused to the point of meaninglessness, and I have an issue with that. On top of that, sometimes performative actions do matter to call attention to a given cause. Things are more nuanced sometimes.
There’s a switch 2 boycott?
That’s why i was honestly surprised they sell it for that “cheap” the numbers would’ve been pretty similar for 50-100 dollars more.
An intentional boycott, no. But we don’t know how a console will do by its launch. The Wii U and 3DS sold out at launch too after having very successful predecessors. It wouldn’t be people intentionally boycotting that would humble Nintendo, but the masses just deciding it’s not worth their money for them or their kids. We’ll see what they do.
A Nintendo boycott will never succeed
I don’t think the Xbox One was a disappointment due to a boycott, I think it was just a product people didn’t feel the need to buy.
Sure, there was early controversy about the always-online DRM approach they planned to take, but it didn’t launch with that in the end. What killed its hype was just being US$100 more expensive than the PS4 and having no killer exclusives lined up.
Users, or scalpers looking to score?
Yea was thinking the same thing. “How many of those are scalpers?”
Nintendo has spent decades building an extremely loyal, multigenerational consumer base. They also release very popular, high quality games. I have no interest in owning a Switch, but I get why so many people do.
Except that they are not high-quality. For example, Pokemon Scarlet.
Ah yes, the one Nintendo IP that has gone to shit. Not fully by the way, as Legends Arceus was fantastic, and even my mom who hasn’t given a fuck about Pokemon since Yellow loved watching me play it. If Gamefreak would finally make another side game like Mystery Dungeon (or the more forgotten cult classics like Pokepark, Ranger, Conquest, Rumble, etc.) we wouldn’t be trolling them so hard. It’s also more of a Gamefreak problem than anything, as other companies that did Pokemon games (Chunsoft, Genius Sonority, etc.) did fantastic.
Anyway Zelda and Mario are still making bangers, Kirby Air Riders is coming back, Metroid fans are fed, Splatoon is getting a whole new game for Switch 2 (fuck me…), people are still relatively happy with Animal Crossing NH, we’ll see how Donkey Kong’s new game does, and while FE’s newest entry wasn’t so hot you can’t ignore how Three Houses brought in a brand new wave of loyal FE fans.
Literally everyone knows Pokemon mainline has been going to shit (and not the characters, designs, music, etc. imo, just the animations and story writing). Pick another game, even Nintendo (and Pokemon) fans make fun of it.
We’ll have to see how Beast of Reincarnation turns out. Gamefreak’s other side games weren’t anything spectacular, except for Smart Ball.
youtu.be/H0r-Kap8kWI
And the masses have been conditioned to accept the corporate anti-consumer “you will own nothing and you will like it” MO.
Yeah, PC gamers bent the knee to Steam decades ago at this point. This isn’t exactly a brand new issue.
The vast majority of Steam games can be easily cracked and played offline if they ever go rogue. Modern console games are much more difficult to jailbreak like that.
Four days?
They were gone day one where I live. Where the fuck did people find them 4 days after release?
I think some websites sold theirs in staggered batches rather than just letting them all sell out on day 1
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the console price isn’t really bad though. isnt it the games that people are mad about?
Both
The console absolutely is a garbage price. People think 120hz = 120fps.
Tbr console is at PS4 pro power…
It's a tablet... Why are you comparing it to the PS4?
Everyone else is 🤷. Lot of “cyberpunk 2077 switch 2 comparison” videos
Its probably the case that these are separate groups.
These prices are not pulled out of asses, they calculate the maximum they can charge while keeping or increasing their market share/profitbaility. It sucks the games are going up but people are entitled to begrudgingly take part because they enjoy the product.
Of all the things in my life to worry about. Nintendo pricing and other issues barely move the needle.
And if they did, it would be hard to game at all because every company has at least a few “practices” that you can point to as making them “bad”.
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And with that. Every gamer was fucked
Expect the OLED model in a year or two to be $600-$650
Not yet. The 3DS and Wii U sold out at launch, too, but after the diehards all got them, nobody else wanted them. The 3DS recovered after they dropped the price by $80 6 months after launch, but the Wii U never did. Maybe that won’t happen this time and we truly are fucked, but time will tell. Historically, Nintendo fucks up after they have a successful console and get cocky with the next one.
Don’t forget that the Wii U had one of the most incompetent console marketing campaigns of all time. Just two years ago I met someone who still didn’t know it was a console and not an accessory.
That’s true, but that alone doesn’t account for how just how bad it did. The idea that Nintendo consoles are always bought up by lots of people no matter what is completely untrue. One big advantage they’ve always had that they no longer do is affordability compared to the competition. What will determine whether it’s a success will ultimately be how many good exclusive games they can pump out, and their track record has been awful since the launch of the Switch. A very large chunk were Wii U ports, which worked because nobody had one, but they’re already heavily shilling Switch 1 upsells. Diehards will of course snatch them up, but with 150 million Switches out there I question how interested the masses will be in them. If Nintendo seriously ups their game and consistently puts out new good games, I imagine people will stomach the prices. But are they even capable of that any more?
We get stories like this all the time.
Was the switch 2 a successful launch from a monetary perspective: Hopefully
But people also have to understand. Gaming gets more and more mainstream every year AND population increases every year. Of course units sold are going to increase. The last time we had a console launch was 2020-ish. It has been five years of new people getting into video games and so forth.
Its similar logic to any time we see “Call of Auto 789151 is the fastest selling Call of Auto ever!”… Of course it is. If it wasn’t then that would be a huge red flag for the franchise.
Gran Theft Duty
I do always love “records” that are effectively population increases.
Just like when people share maps of data that are effectively just showing population distribution.
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Your comment was removed for being an ass, stop playing a victim.
For reference, it was:
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“THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. I CAN’T BELIEVE THEY THINK WE’RE GOING TO STAND FOR THIS!
I’ll take two, one for me, and one to sellHOW COME THEY KEEP DOING THIS!? DON’T THEY KNOW THEY’LL LOSE ME AS A
repeatCUSTOMER!?”Why are you getting the switch?
“Cause uh it’s Nintendo…”
Because myself and my kids like Mario Kart?
Because I like my OG Switch and this is a pretty massive improvement over that console?
The original switch was a bargain too relatively speaking. My one switch outlasted about five or six phones I owned over the same time span.
It does kinda suck that it’s gone up in price in the new generation, but like… PlayStation 5 was also around the same price a couple of years ago, when money was worth more.
I guess it wasn’t too expensive after all.
Are lemmites going to realise that they aren’t the majority and that there’s a whole world of different people out there.
Looks at comments
I guess not.
Yeah, I’m not happy about the Switch 2, but the amount of cope is unbelievable. I’ve seen multiple people claiming, “the Wii U sold out a launch too,” even though the Wii U sold worse than the Wii on opening weekend. The sales might still fall off a cliff in a month, but breaking the PS4’s record for launch sales is not a great sign.
Just like the horse armor, people complain and complain and then fork over the money anyway.
To be expected, mainstream audiences would pay Nintendo to fuck them up the arse if it meant more Mario.
Id pay for Luigi to fuck my ass.
Gamers have to be the dumbest market of consumers out of them all.
I had to block the Nintendo communities because it’s beyond infuriating how god damn fucking stupid Nintendo fanboys are. They do not listen to logic or reason.
So despite all of the bitching and moaning about all of the “game breaking” features, the shitty little camera, the lack of original games and the price they still bought it. This is why companies keep putting out crap.
Exactly! Rewarding bad behavior is a understatement in this case. I grew up with Nintendo but as it stands they’re a disgusting corporation in which I want nothing to do with! They LITERALLY ruined Lives! I suggest every Gamer researches NintenDONTs dark history.
www.suedbynintendo.com
Man, the comment section here is wild! If we would all listen to Lemmy, we would need to boycott: Nintendo, Sony, Windows, Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard, Pokemon, Disney+, Netflix, every other streaming service that exists. We also need to boycott Fromsoftware a little bit because for some reason a 40$ game is a scam…
It’s feels impossible to talk about anything positive in most of Lemmy’s sub’s. People here are calling people dumb and stupid for having fun with a console, while they suck off Steam that also just shut down a Fan Mod for Counter Strike and unless other Fan Games, they had approval to develop it.
I do boycott all of these as well as EA (made an exception for Split Fiction), most fast food restaurants, and I am trying to use Amazon significantly less.
Have you considered not being a simple treat hog?
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And this is why The Gaming Industry is in COMPLETE turmoil! Sheeple literally reward the most abysmal business practices. Which in turn ruins it for everyone.
If a dog was to bite your hand would you immediately offer it a treat?
www.suedbynintendo.com