haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com
on 19 Mar 2024 04:51
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Everyting to safeguard the broken IP system.
Cosmicomical@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 2024 10:04
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So you’re saying you are in favour of free guns for everyone?
Edit: /s for cthulhu’s sake
haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com
on 19 Mar 2024 13:30
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I found a troll! Nice.
I‘m saying the IP system is broken and more drm isnt the solution, shocker I know.
We need to break up giant companies (999 mil+) and we will break up ip trolls as well.
maynarkh@feddit.nl
on 19 Mar 2024 13:33
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So you’re a communist? /s
Cosmicomical@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 2024 15:23
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Ok just to clarify I was indeed trolling in the sense that it was a joke. Judging from the downvotes it was too early and too subject to Poe’s law.
And to expand I also believe current IP laws are a very bad joke.
Cosmicomical@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 2024 15:22
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O crap I suspected I was being too meta
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Mar 2024 09:35
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With games releasing as a paid pre-alpha nowadays, I don’t find worthy arguments against leaking except for piracy - that is a topic on it’s own.
RogueBanana@lemmy.zip
on 19 Mar 2024 09:56
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Well there are still a decent amount of games that comes out as closed beta before going public so there’s definitely a market for it but reading irdeta anywhere always stings a little
Katana314@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 2024 15:11
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I don’t follow. Some games do come out as irreparable buggy garbage, get terrible reviews, and nobody of sound mind buys them. Other games come out with a genuinely fun product, and as a result of player engagement, the developer decides to add more - and nobody of sound mind is then claiming they “released it half finished”. Meanwhile, early leaks are always buggy because the bugfixing and polish phases come late in development.
So what does any of that have to do with justifying leaking?
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Mar 2024 16:06
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The titular arguments about game leaks: that would crush our sales as it shows the version of our product not on par with our quality standards and our vision. When we see how games from Ubi\EA\Beth\etc got released this raw and untested, this argument gets rekt. Digital releases and updates, forever-beta products, raw indies and many other things enabled AAA studios to do the same and get no repercussions, but they’d still bitch if their game is leaked earlier even if they ship undercooked product.
It’s rational to assume if you play leaked pre-release, you have a deficient product on your own terms. Like Diablo 2 remaster that still has LAN play before this P2P solution was killed. It’s on gamers to be that stupid to review-bomb games based on alpha, beta versions. It’s fair if it’s a contemporary comment, but not a final judgement with a youtube title GAMENAME FUCKING FLOPS - MY FIRST UGLY MOMENTS WITH THE GAMENAME. Clickbaity, unfair and tastes like piss.
You expand this conversation to games-as-a-service mode, that is a very different beast. I like seasons and regular updates to a polished games. I dislike games who defacto employed first players as beta-testers who paid money for that.
And I like leaks, not for me being a pirate, but for seeing what’s under the hood and how things changed for my favorite titles like Stalker, the game that has a very weird development cycle and had many traces of feautures devs either couldn’t realise or didn’t have time to do right.
I’m tired of every game being spoiled if you happen to engage with any amount of social media because of leakers. I’m okay with that not happening anymore. You can wait a week.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Mar 2024 02:45
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What?
doublejay1999@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 2024 09:55
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Wait until they find out where the code comes from
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 2024 10:35
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Denuvo continuing to be to gaming what Monsanto was to farming. 🖕
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 2024 14:02
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Yes and no: they were bought by Bayer 5 years ago, so they don’t exist under that name anymore, but I don’t know how much of their worst bullshit they’re still doing under the new name.
For example, I was unable to confirm or rule out whether they’re still doing the suicide crops and food DRM bullshit as Bayer or not…
As a farmer Monsanto has done a lot of sketchy stuff, but I’d like to point out that “terminator crops” actually have a legitimate usage case. There’s few worse weeds than volunteer herbicide-resistant canola, and if it just didn’t come up next year it would be great.
Almost all modern crops are hybrids anyways which don’t breed true. Nobody is saving seed except in very specific cases and even small farmers aren’t even planting bin-run wheat as modern genetics outperform it so greatly.
If you want to save seed there are plenty of open-pollinated varieties out there but unfortunately most of them perform poorly compared to their modern hybrid counterparts, from field crops to garden vegetables.
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Everyting to safeguard the broken IP system.
So you’re saying you are in favour of free guns for everyone?
Edit: /s for cthulhu’s sake
I found a troll! Nice.
I‘m saying the IP system is broken and more drm isnt the solution, shocker I know.
We need to break up giant companies (999 mil+) and we will break up ip trolls as well.
So you’re a communist? /s
Ok just to clarify I was indeed trolling in the sense that it was a joke. Judging from the downvotes it was too early and too subject to Poe’s law.
And to expand I also believe current IP laws are a very bad joke.
O crap I suspected I was being too meta
With games releasing as a paid pre-alpha nowadays, I don’t find worthy arguments against leaking except for piracy - that is a topic on it’s own.
Well there are still a decent amount of games that comes out as closed beta before going public so there’s definitely a market for it but reading irdeta anywhere always stings a little
I don’t follow. Some games do come out as irreparable buggy garbage, get terrible reviews, and nobody of sound mind buys them. Other games come out with a genuinely fun product, and as a result of player engagement, the developer decides to add more - and nobody of sound mind is then claiming they “released it half finished”. Meanwhile, early leaks are always buggy because the bugfixing and polish phases come late in development.
So what does any of that have to do with justifying leaking?
The titular arguments about game leaks: that would crush our sales as it shows the version of our product not on par with our quality standards and our vision. When we see how games from Ubi\EA\Beth\etc got released this raw and untested, this argument gets rekt. Digital releases and updates, forever-beta products, raw indies and many other things enabled AAA studios to do the same and get no repercussions, but they’d still bitch if their game is leaked earlier even if they ship undercooked product.
It’s rational to assume if you play leaked pre-release, you have a deficient product on your own terms. Like Diablo 2 remaster that still has LAN play before this P2P solution was killed. It’s on gamers to be that stupid to review-bomb games based on alpha, beta versions. It’s fair if it’s a contemporary comment, but not a final judgement with a youtube title GAMENAME FUCKING FLOPS - MY FIRST UGLY MOMENTS WITH THE GAMENAME. Clickbaity, unfair and tastes like piss.
You expand this conversation to games-as-a-service mode, that is a very different beast. I like seasons and regular updates to a polished games. I dislike games who defacto employed first players as beta-testers who paid money for that.
And I like leaks, not for me being a pirate, but for seeing what’s under the hood and how things changed for my favorite titles like Stalker, the game that has a very weird development cycle and had many traces of feautures devs either couldn’t realise or didn’t have time to do right.
I’m tired of every game being spoiled if you happen to engage with any amount of social media because of leakers. I’m okay with that not happening anymore. You can wait a week.
What?
Wait until they find out where the code comes from
Denuvo continuing to be to gaming what Monsanto was to farming. 🖕
Was? Are Monsanto’s days over?
Yes and no: they were bought by Bayer 5 years ago, so they don’t exist under that name anymore, but I don’t know how much of their worst bullshit they’re still doing under the new name.
For example, I was unable to confirm or rule out whether they’re still doing the suicide crops and food DRM bullshit as Bayer or not…
As a farmer Monsanto has done a lot of sketchy stuff, but I’d like to point out that “terminator crops” actually have a legitimate usage case. There’s few worse weeds than volunteer herbicide-resistant canola, and if it just didn’t come up next year it would be great.
Almost all modern crops are hybrids anyways which don’t breed true. Nobody is saving seed except in very specific cases and even small farmers aren’t even planting bin-run wheat as modern genetics outperform it so greatly.
If you want to save seed there are plenty of open-pollinated varieties out there but unfortunately most of them perform poorly compared to their modern hybrid counterparts, from field crops to garden vegetables.