That’s because there are barely any fucking games this gen it feels like
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Aug 10:53
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What are you talking about? There’s a new remake or remaster every other day!
chewables@piefed.social
on 02 Aug 10:58
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if you're not really there for it then sure, but i got a ps5 for ff7 remake, kh3 and ff16 and i personally think I got my money's worth. loved every goddamn second.
it helped that I got p5r and expedition 33 as well, what a beaut of a bonus they were
vividspecter@aussie.zone
on 02 Aug 11:45
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They might mean exclusives, of which none of those apply. But I personally don’t think exclusives are a good thing anyway.
dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com
on 02 Aug 16:21
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FF7 Remake, Rebirth and FF16 were timed exclusives, though all have since left and Square Enix said “never again, it wasn’t profitable enough.”
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Aug 08:25
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Them being told they’re timed exclusives isn’t really the problem being discussed though. Seems weird to invalidate a console having a game just because it’s available elsewhere. If you don’t already have a PC, a PS5 for it’s performance is way cheaper than getting the PC equivalent.
dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com
on 03 Aug 19:25
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I’m just adding historical context that those games were exclusives. If them being exclusive meant “the ps5 has games” then timed exclusivity didnt really help in this case.
I take this as a comparison sometimes. Also the PS2 got five GTAs, Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories were released on PS2 too. The PS3 and Xbox 360 got two GTAs, and everything after got remasters. PS5 will probably get GTA 6, so GTA skipped the PS4/Xbox One generation.
There have been some great games with development times that long. But for crying out loud, if you’re not making a surefire success, make a smaller game so it’s less risky.
I’m playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance II right now, and it’s excellent. Baldur’s Gate 3 took 6 years, though they attribute a good portion of that to an Eastern European war and a pandemic. Given other side projects, it’s a bit nebulous exactly how long Indiana Jones and Great Circle took that team to make, but it was somewhere between 5 and 7 years, and I loved it. I’m not exactly a fan of Nintendo lately, but people sure do love Donkey Kong Bananza, and that team had been working on that game more or less since Mario Odyssey’s release in 2017.
Mad__vegan@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 13:47
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I hear amazing things but wife says I already play enough lol
JigglySackles@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 20:22
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Ahh, that’s a bummer. Hopefully she’s not too onerous about it. Some people don’t understand games as a hobby or down time activity but then are fine with tv/movies/books.
Nah. She’s right lol. Last month my PlayStation stats said I played 12 titles for 39 hours. So plenty of gaming to be had. The issue is that I’m addicted to humble bundles and have over 100 games there I’ve never played…
JigglySackles@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 00:18
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Lol humble bundles are a fantastic way to build up a backlog. I have a pretty thick collection waiting to be played as well.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 14:01
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They just ported all the PS4 games and slap PS5 on them. I bought a PS5 and not single game I have on it you can’t also buy a 4 version. Except for Dead Island 2, and it was meh. I have not used my PS5 in over a year it just collects dust. With PC games I get all I need and more. But I have looked at new games for it and not impressed with the lineup.
It really does feel like this. And most of the new “ps5” games they also make for 4! Off the top of my head I can think of demons souls, ff16, ff7r part 2, and death stranding 2 were ps5 only and 3 of those are only timed exclusives
I don’t think that’s a bad thing, though. It’s not like I’d be bothered if someone with a GPU 5 years older than mine is able to play the same game on PC.
This is what consoles just should be. No longer locking games to specific generations, letting newer hardware run older titles better, and letting developers continue developing for lower hardware targets to include more people.
cannon_annon88@lemmy.today
on 03 Aug 04:40
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It’s because half the player base still only has the PS4, like myself. I just could never justify spending that much money on a console that can only hold like 8 games Anyways without paying a crazy amount for extra storage, when I can still play the same games on the console I already have. I was more than happy to spend twice the money building a decent desktop where I can play just about anything I want with way more freedom.
I bought mine for my girlfriend to play Hogwarts Legacy. I myself have played FF7, FF16, AstroBot and Expedition33. That’s twice as much games as I have played on the Switch2. And AstroBot is the only one of them you can’t play on a PC
So many resources wasted on live service projects that got canceled or flopped, that’s why
EvilEdgelord@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Aug 10:58
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Become a PC gamer and you don’t experience “generations” anymore.
Aielman15@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 11:02
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I am. I grew up with the PS1 and I really liked the simplicity, ease of use, affordability and reliability of older gens, but the newer ones seem to have all the cons of consoles and none of the benefits.
EvilEdgelord@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Aug 11:12
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I grew up with cartridges, so this is hilarious to me. With PS1, you had to put in a disc, close the lid, press the power button, wait for the logo startup sequence, then your game would start (assuming there’s not some kind of problem that kicks you back to the disc/memory card screen). Don’t even get me started on disc damage 😂
Now I’m a PC gamer with a humongous digital collection. Nothing gets damaged, and I get to keep all my games.
One double-click, and I’m gaming.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 16:34
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So long as gaben is there at least. I hate to think how badly valve will fall once he’s no longer there.
Same here, although even earlier. As a family of five Sony's horribly bad game sharing within the family if you have more than one PS5 (we do) has sealed the deal for us. I've just built up two Bazzite-based Steamboxes and that's going to be our couchgaming from now on.
No PS6.
AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org
on 02 Aug 14:32
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The disappointment of the PS5 plus the surprise of the Steam Deck turned me, personally
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Aug 08:26
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Instead you see GPUs release for the same price as, or more than, a current gen console every two years.
EvilEdgelord@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Aug 09:42
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Never paid for a GPU on its own, I just buy a new gaming laptop every 5 years.
Same. At least for me part of the problem is that I got a PS5 two years after release because I couldn’t get one, I’m not going to pay scalpers.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 02 Aug 14:46
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Part of the “problem” is that the current gen launched basically at the height of COVID. People were distracted when it came out and studios took a huge productivity hit at a time when they would be pushing to get those games out.
But it is coming up on 5 years and console generations tend to be 6-8 years if memory serves. Considering how much work goes into prepping the hardware, it makes sense to see “leaks” now for what will likely hit shelves in the fall of 2027 or 2028.
But I think the bigger issue is that we kind of all know these are “just” computers and most games are multiplatform. Combine that with backwards compatibility and there really aren’t that many distinguishing games of a generation. Which is why it is a common refrain that this is probably the last “console generation” with the future being closer to PCs where you just have new hardware every few years and upgrade when a game you want needs it or you get bored.
Many still play on Playstation 4 and suprising amount of games still get released for both.
Its also funny that in Fighting game locals most games are still played on PS4 with Tekken 8 being pretty much the only one requiring PS5.
rustyfish@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 11:43
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If this is true I’m definitely out. I am barely playing anything technically demanding on the hardware. Mostly older or indie games. The Steam Deck has proven that handheld PC couch gaming is more than enough for me.
Come to think of it, I didn’t even had to buy the PS5. It just catches dust and unlike the PS4 I didn’t get anything like Bloodborne aka something I could pump countless hundreds of hours in to justify buying it.
I simply reject your view.
If a game is on PS5 it’s a PS5 game.
Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 05:39
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“If I bury my head in the sand they won’t see me!”
you
ampersandrew@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 12:48
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I don’t see how this thing possibly competes with a handheld PC. It’ll play the same games approximately just as well but with a tiny fraction of the library, and unless something changes, online play won’t even be free.
The Vita had a shared library system where if you get the handheld version for free if you owned the PS4 version of games. I imagine they could do something similar to keep playstation users interested
That’s surely what they’re planning, especially since the architecture won’t be very different this time around, but that still pales in comparison to the value you’d get from a PC handheld for what will likely be an extremely similar price.
dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com
on 02 Aug 16:30
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The handheld PC and things like SteamOS have crossed the moat that console games used to have as a defense. The PC is coming to the living room, attaching to your TV, and playing games controller-first. The question will be how well will those games play and will they be exclusive.
The other defense, exclusive games, consoles themselves have given up. PlayStation has been publishing to PC to make up revenues thinking that it’s safe because it’s not their competitor Xbox, and Xbox bet on gamepass (and has now lost the console almost entirely, hoping to make its money back via Windows licensure).
Some weird views in the article. Like comparing it to the price of the ps5 pro and will be lower. Of course it will be. It has to be since the price point of the average consumer will never buy it at that price. They need to get it back down to the $400-$500 range for it to work. Also saying the ps4 cutback on hardware compared to the ps3 may be true but it wasnt noticeable either. The jump between both consoles was huge and didnt seem like anything was sacrificed. That won’t be the case here since i doubt anyone will even notice the difference because games aren’t getting that much better looking anymore. They need to start focusing on features and other advantages to establish itself as a better option to having a PC.
Coyote_sly@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 17:22
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Feels like we’ve hit the point of diminishing returns where the console cycle stops making sense. Does anyone really expect to ever play a PS6 game they just flat out couldn’t make at all on the PS5?
This gen gave me the kick to leave consoles. Neither Sony or Nintendo seem that interested with me being a customer, constant paywalls and upsells while getting less and less in return. I’ll get the next 8-10 years of games through the ps5 after that I imagine everything will be on pc. VR is not my thing, neither is online or live service so I can get all the emulators without a monthly cost.
After SCE increased their prices in EU and Aus to help offset the US tariffs, I doubt I’ll invest anything into the PS ecosystem any more. I’d rather redirect into PC gaming from here.
commander@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 18:02
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They could probably get away with a PS6 that’s a PS5 Pro raster equivalent, improved ray tracing, and a modern AMD CPU and a bump in memory. Whatever can be sold for $500 in 2-3 years. Switch 2 is the baseline.
Microsoft can be twice as powerful, unless they had a multi year string of incredible exclusives, they’re not doing better than this gen and
regardless they don’t do exclusives anymore
Improved ray tracing is key. We’re at a point where hardware improvements aren’t for selling games to end users, they’re for cutting costs for developers. Project managers don’t want to spend time and resources handcrafting lighting anymore.
We saw it before where making SSDs baseline didn’t necessarily always lead to a change in world design but certainly led to cuts in asset streaming optimization. Same with framerates.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
on 02 Aug 18:33
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Would guess this is more or less similar to PS5 with backwards compatibility with PS4, PS5 games. PS5 pro didnt really do a big splash so PS6 give bigger uprgrade for those looking for one.
Making those game libraries accessible on portable device would also be quite impressive. (Not quite Steam deck level but still.)
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Are we already talking about next gen leaks? Damn, this generation passed by and I barely noticed it.
That’s because there are barely any fucking games this gen it feels like
What are you talking about? There’s a new remake or remaster every other day!
if you're not really there for it then sure, but i got a ps5 for ff7 remake, kh3 and ff16 and i personally think I got my money's worth. loved every goddamn second.
it helped that I got p5r and expedition 33 as well, what a beaut of a bonus they were
They might mean exclusives, of which none of those apply. But I personally don’t think exclusives are a good thing anyway.
FF7 Remake, Rebirth and FF16 were timed exclusives, though all have since left and Square Enix said “never again, it wasn’t profitable enough.”
Them being told they’re timed exclusives isn’t really the problem being discussed though. Seems weird to invalidate a console having a game just because it’s available elsewhere. If you don’t already have a PC, a PS5 for it’s performance is way cheaper than getting the PC equivalent.
I’m just adding historical context that those games were exclusives. If them being exclusive meant “the ps5 has games” then timed exclusivity didnt really help in this case.
I have played the exact same games as you have, but add AstroBot.
Yeah, I've been watching from the sidelines and still haven't seen anything that moves the needle sufficiently.
Where are the games?!
They all take seven years to make, so there aren’t as many of them.
Yeah. The PS2 got three GTAs, GTA V got three consoles.
I take this as a comparison sometimes. Also the PS2 got five GTAs, Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories were released on PS2 too. The PS3 and Xbox 360 got two GTAs, and everything after got remasters. PS5 will probably get GTA 6, so GTA skipped the PS4/Xbox One generation.
Unfortunately they're not significantly more fun despite that.
There have been some great games with development times that long. But for crying out loud, if you’re not making a surefire success, make a smaller game so it’s less risky.
Can you name some? I don't mean to be derisive, I just literally can't think of any right now.
I’m playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance II right now, and it’s excellent. Baldur’s Gate 3 took 6 years, though they attribute a good portion of that to an Eastern European war and a pandemic. Given other side projects, it’s a bit nebulous exactly how long Indiana Jones and Great Circle took that team to make, but it was somewhere between 5 and 7 years, and I loved it. I’m not exactly a fan of Nintendo lately, but people sure do love Donkey Kong Bananza, and that team had been working on that game more or less since Mario Odyssey’s release in 2017.
My psvr2 backlog would like a word with you…
My god he does exist
I wanted to get a psvr2 to use on my pc.
I hear amazing things but wife says I already play enough lol
Ahh, that’s a bummer. Hopefully she’s not too onerous about it. Some people don’t understand games as a hobby or down time activity but then are fine with tv/movies/books.
Nah. She’s right lol. Last month my PlayStation stats said I played 12 titles for 39 hours. So plenty of gaming to be had. The issue is that I’m addicted to humble bundles and have over 100 games there I’ve never played…
Lol humble bundles are a fantastic way to build up a backlog. I have a pretty thick collection waiting to be played as well.
They just ported all the PS4 games and slap PS5 on them. I bought a PS5 and not single game I have on it you can’t also buy a 4 version. Except for Dead Island 2, and it was meh. I have not used my PS5 in over a year it just collects dust. With PC games I get all I need and more. But I have looked at new games for it and not impressed with the lineup.
It really does feel like this. And most of the new “ps5” games they also make for 4! Off the top of my head I can think of demons souls, ff16, ff7r part 2, and death stranding 2 were ps5 only and 3 of those are only timed exclusives
I don’t think that’s a bad thing, though. It’s not like I’d be bothered if someone with a GPU 5 years older than mine is able to play the same game on PC.
This is what consoles just should be. No longer locking games to specific generations, letting newer hardware run older titles better, and letting developers continue developing for lower hardware targets to include more people.
It’s because half the player base still only has the PS4, like myself. I just could never justify spending that much money on a console that can only hold like 8 games Anyways without paying a crazy amount for extra storage, when I can still play the same games on the console I already have. I was more than happy to spend twice the money building a decent desktop where I can play just about anything I want with way more freedom.
Yeah, my ps5 is a netflix machine, and my son plays apex on it. I barely bought any games.
Oh shit PS5 has no games?
Well they do just very few, and the ones they have exclusive aren’t all that great.
I bought mine for my girlfriend to play Hogwarts Legacy. I myself have played FF7, FF16, AstroBot and Expedition33. That’s twice as much games as I have played on the Switch2. And AstroBot is the only one of them you can’t play on a PC
So many resources wasted on live service projects that got canceled or flopped, that’s why
Become a PC gamer and you don’t experience “generations” anymore.
I am. I grew up with the PS1 and I really liked the simplicity, ease of use, affordability and reliability of older gens, but the newer ones seem to have all the cons of consoles and none of the benefits.
I grew up with cartridges, so this is hilarious to me. With PS1, you had to put in a disc, close the lid, press the power button, wait for the logo startup sequence, then your game would start (assuming there’s not some kind of problem that kicks you back to the disc/memory card screen). Don’t even get me started on disc damage 😂
Now I’m a PC gamer with a humongous digital collection. Nothing gets damaged, and I get to keep all my games.
One double-click, and I’m gaming.
So long as gaben is there at least. I hate to think how badly valve will fall once he’s no longer there.
Same here, although even earlier. As a family of five Sony's horribly bad game sharing within the family if you have more than one PS5 (we do) has sealed the deal for us. I've just built up two Bazzite-based Steamboxes and that's going to be our couchgaming from now on.
No PS6.
The disappointment of the PS5 plus the surprise of the Steam Deck turned me, personally
Instead you see GPUs release for the same price as, or more than, a current gen console every two years.
Never paid for a GPU on its own, I just buy a new gaming laptop every 5 years.
Shit, maybe I am going through generations 😂
Same. At least for me part of the problem is that I got a PS5 two years after release because I couldn’t get one, I’m not going to pay scalpers.
Part of the “problem” is that the current gen launched basically at the height of COVID. People were distracted when it came out and studios took a huge productivity hit at a time when they would be pushing to get those games out.
But it is coming up on 5 years and console generations tend to be 6-8 years if memory serves. Considering how much work goes into prepping the hardware, it makes sense to see “leaks” now for what will likely hit shelves in the fall of 2027 or 2028.
But I think the bigger issue is that we kind of all know these are “just” computers and most games are multiplatform. Combine that with backwards compatibility and there really aren’t that many distinguishing games of a generation. Which is why it is a common refrain that this is probably the last “console generation” with the future being closer to PCs where you just have new hardware every few years and upgrade when a game you want needs it or you get bored.
Many still play on Playstation 4 and suprising amount of games still get released for both.
Its also funny that in Fighting game locals most games are still played on PS4 with Tekken 8 being pretty much the only one requiring PS5.
If this is true I’m definitely out. I am barely playing anything technically demanding on the hardware. Mostly older or indie games. The Steam Deck has proven that handheld PC couch gaming is more than enough for me.
Come to think of it, I didn’t even had to buy the PS5. It just catches dust and unlike the PS4 I didn’t get anything like Bloodborne aka something I could pump countless hundreds of hours in to justify buying it.
Ps5 has the same amount of games as switch 2
Playstation 5 has plenty of good games but only handful of exclusives. Many of these games are also available for PS4 and PC as well.
If they’re on ps4 too they’re ps4 games
I simply reject your view. If a game is on PS5 it’s a PS5 game.
“If I bury my head in the sand they won’t see me!”
I don’t see how this thing possibly competes with a handheld PC. It’ll play the same games approximately just as well but with a tiny fraction of the library, and unless something changes, online play won’t even be free.
The Vita had a shared library system where if you get the handheld version for free if you owned the PS4 version of games. I imagine they could do something similar to keep playstation users interested
That’s surely what they’re planning, especially since the architecture won’t be very different this time around, but that still pales in comparison to the value you’d get from a PC handheld for what will likely be an extremely similar price.
The handheld PC and things like SteamOS have crossed the moat that console games used to have as a defense. The PC is coming to the living room, attaching to your TV, and playing games controller-first. The question will be how well will those games play and will they be exclusive.
The other defense, exclusive games, consoles themselves have given up. PlayStation has been publishing to PC to make up revenues thinking that it’s safe because it’s not their competitor Xbox, and Xbox bet on gamepass (and has now lost the console almost entirely, hoping to make its money back via Windows licensure).
I don’t think the Windows license factors into the math much at all, but otherwise agreed.
I got the PS5 for my GF to play Hogwarts Legacy. I myself have played AstroBot, FF7, FF16 and Expedition33.
I use the controller on my Mac playing PS1 and PS2 games though. That controller has seen more PS2 games than PS5 games lol
Astro is the only one I desperately want as a PC gamer. Three cheers for Astro!
To be fair, I lend the PS5 to a friend just for him to be able to play it
That’s awesome. Astro is great. I hope Sony realizes that and leans into in
Some weird views in the article. Like comparing it to the price of the ps5 pro and will be lower. Of course it will be. It has to be since the price point of the average consumer will never buy it at that price. They need to get it back down to the $400-$500 range for it to work. Also saying the ps4 cutback on hardware compared to the ps3 may be true but it wasnt noticeable either. The jump between both consoles was huge and didnt seem like anything was sacrificed. That won’t be the case here since i doubt anyone will even notice the difference because games aren’t getting that much better looking anymore. They need to start focusing on features and other advantages to establish itself as a better option to having a PC.
Feels like we’ve hit the point of diminishing returns where the console cycle stops making sense. Does anyone really expect to ever play a PS6 game they just flat out couldn’t make at all on the PS5?
This gen gave me the kick to leave consoles. Neither Sony or Nintendo seem that interested with me being a customer, constant paywalls and upsells while getting less and less in return. I’ll get the next 8-10 years of games through the ps5 after that I imagine everything will be on pc. VR is not my thing, neither is online or live service so I can get all the emulators without a monthly cost.
Consoles are dead.
I looked at the ‘games on sale, x% off’ section on the Xbox last night, and like 80% of it is DLC for games and in-game currencies.
“GTA V for £4? Sweet! Oh, its a bunch of GTA money? Gay.”
After SCE increased their prices in EU and Aus to help offset the US tariffs, I doubt I’ll invest anything into the PS ecosystem any more. I’d rather redirect into PC gaming from here.
They could probably get away with a PS6 that’s a PS5 Pro raster equivalent, improved ray tracing, and a modern AMD CPU and a bump in memory. Whatever can be sold for $500 in 2-3 years. Switch 2 is the baseline.
Microsoft can be twice as powerful, unless they had a multi year string of incredible exclusives, they’re not doing better than this gen and
regardless they don’t do exclusives anymore
Improved ray tracing is key. We’re at a point where hardware improvements aren’t for selling games to end users, they’re for cutting costs for developers. Project managers don’t want to spend time and resources handcrafting lighting anymore.
We saw it before where making SSDs baseline didn’t necessarily always lead to a change in world design but certainly led to cuts in asset streaming optimization. Same with framerates.
Pupstation is real?
Would guess this is more or less similar to PS5 with backwards compatibility with PS4, PS5 games. PS5 pro didnt really do a big splash so PS6 give bigger uprgrade for those looking for one.
Making those game libraries accessible on portable device would also be quite impressive. (Not quite Steam deck level but still.)
Leaked, or completely guessed at for clicks?