passepartout@feddit.org
on 17 Sep 10:53
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Can someone find an excuse for how this behaviour is not just extremely short sighted / plain stupid? Never heard of the guy before, but he seems to behave like a petty little child throwing a tantrum for something that is obviously his or some of his near colleagues fault. Comparable level of stupidity to “Do you guys not have phones?” lol.
I think they would be better of by just ignoring or at least appeasing the crowd with something.
Edit: I read into some of his key moments as a person and comments he made on the topic. Yikes. Maybe he is trying to appeal to edgy kids so they nag their parents to buy better hardware. Maybe his brain got quadruple-A-fried over the years. But then again, maybe he is just another CEO asshole and has always been lol. It’s a shame, Borderlands 1 and 2 were great games back then. Just let a good game rest in peace, there is no need and no sense in milking every last drop out of every successful series. /rant
There was his crashout before Borderlands 2 where Gearbox accepted a boatload of Sega money to help finish Colonial Marines, and instead outsourced the project. Gearbox kept the money in spite of the failure, and allegedly used it as funding for Borderlands 2. (They were sued by Sega for keeping the cash, but later dropped the suit)
He also crashed out during the Borderlands 3 leadup.
Groped the Claptrap VA 6 years ago because he was tired of voicing Claptrap “as a favor” and when offered normal market rates wanted more because Claptrap is iconic. Pitchford cornered him at the hotel elevator, grabbed the VAs junk and said “youre gonna do what I tell you to” -allegedly.
Other than that, about the same time, he left a thumb drive at a Medieval Times that had company secrets and squirt porn on it. Same thumb drive. Brother apparently can’t afford 2 thumb drives to keep his porn separate from his company secrets.
Pitchford is the problem with Gearbox, but as a whole he’s a far cry from being Rockstar or Nestle, so it doesn’t cross people’s Ick threshold to trigger boycotts.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
on 17 Sep 12:27
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He’s the poster boy for being successful while being the dumbest guy in every room he enters.
No, in fact at this point, I struggle to imagine what value he could possibly provide his employer that could match or exceed the damage he’s doing. Certainly, everywhere I’ve worked in the games industry he’d have been out on his ass… some time ago. I clearly must be missing something. Who knows?
I mean, he’s the CEO, but there must be a board and a group of investors he’s answering to.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 11:12
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Yeah, I’m a longtime Borderlands fan who follows what’s going on with the franchise, and Randy just acts like a child who inherited a video game company. He usually says this dumb shit with a smile on his face, so I think he’s intending it to be in good fun, but it just does not come across that way.
passepartout@feddit.org
on 17 Sep 11:18
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Could as well be the case. Would fit to the general theme of the series lol.
I guess its news to some people Randy shooting off his mouth.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 11:47
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But then again, maybe he is just another CEO asshole and has always been lol.
When you fire everyone that disagrees with you, it doesn’t take long to loose the ability to handle criticism.
Like, there’s a very good chance this guy has had absolutely nothing but praise while “working” on this game. So now that people whose job doesn’t depend on making him feel like a genius are giving feedback, it literally breaks his brain.
He most likely genuinely believes the game is perfect and all the criticism is from “trolls and haters” who are just lying because their jealous of his genius.
There’s a reason this attitude is so pervasive among the wealthy.
Now that I think about it, that has been one of my two blanket explanations for rich people being assholes.
The other one being the mix-up of correlation and causation (or even just the direction of causation). Money arguably does make you a worse person, but also being a bad person usually can make you a lot of money in the first place.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 14:15
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That feeds back into what I was saying, it’s the same thing.
The first couple times you dick someone over for money, you’re gonna feel bad.
But everyone at the company is going to pat you on the back and say you’re a genius cuz numbers went up.
Anyone who says it wasn’t worth the numbers going up, gets fired.
The wealthy live in a bubble where the only people they interact with only care about money
Our whole capitalist society is a giant feedback loop that concentrates wealth and strips the wealthy of their humanity.
It’s not like there’s some problem where something is broken, this is the natural and logical result of how we’ve spent the last couple generations
Unregulated capitalism always ends in an oligarchy with most people penniless
Can someone find an excuse for how this behaviour is not just extremely short sighted / plain stupid?
It’s not. It works because he’s always operated like this and keeps getting away with it. People keep sucking up his garbage games so why should he change?
I mean the best thing they could do is to acknowledge that the game could use some optimization and promise to continue working on it. Even if they have no intention of doing so. But that might get them in trouble with Nvidia since they slapped an “Nvidia optimized” badge on it.
The worst thing they could do is say “buy a better PC”.
the_artic_one@programming.dev
on 17 Sep 15:15
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I think that sticker just means you sent Nvidia a pre-release build so they had time to add game-specific hacks to their drivers before your launch.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 20:16
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Exactly, like what CDPR did with Cyberpunk - own up to the fact that it was shit on release, then take the time to fix it and update it. People flipped nearly overnight from having a negative opinion of the game to a positive one when they released the working version of the game (plus a really solid DLC, which probably helped too).
Gabe not even noticing from 1 of his 6 superyachts
Snailpope@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 11:19
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I literally thought an in game boss was telling you to get a refund
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Sep 11:31
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That would be comical. Breaking the 4th wall, boss talking shit. Get a refund you suck at this, while you’re at it throw your PC in a lake, fish play better.
Flagstaff@programming.dev
on 17 Sep 12:22
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Oh, Sans is smarter than that; he’d say how you can’t refund because you’ve already played for way more than 2 hours to get this far. If anything, he would mention your actual playtime statistic in his dialogue.
To make it perfect, the boss should appear right after the two hour mark is met, so you actually can’t. The boss should also use that material. Modern day metal gear solid is they also manage to pull user owned games and game data from steam API or something.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Sep 11:23
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I don’t get it. Borderlands 1 ran at like 720p (less?) on native hardware (Xbox 360) and it looked great, mostly because of the cel-shaded graphics. Cel-shaded was code (maybe still is) for low-res and it covers it up well. So I feel like anyone trying to push 4K Borderlands (Gearbox, or players) is in the wrong here and that may be part of the problem. Now if Borderlands 4 can’t run at 1080p or 1440p on good hardware… that’s Gearbox’s problem to fix. Trying to run Borderlands at 4K sounds about as stupid to me as Animal Crossing at 8K — apparently that has been accomplished with a very powerful computer and an emulator. (AC for Switch is not performance locked to hardware, it’ll scale up to whatever you can run it on.) But it just begs the question “fucking WHY?”.
I feel like the discourse around Borderlands 4 should be “is it fun” followed at a great distance by “is the story compelling enough to draw me in?” I did not have plot expectations for the first one, and it exceeded them.
Disclaimer: played and beat BL1 and all its DLC. Dabbled in 2 and 3. Have not played BL4 yet. Looking forward to a Siren play on my Series X at some point, but not now.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 11:39
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Trying to run Borderlands at 4K sounds about as stupid to me as…
On the contrary, it should be perfectly runnable at 4K because its a 2025 FPS game and the cel-shaded graphics should be easy to render.
‘Unreal Engine’ is no excuse either. Try something like Satisfactory rendering literally thousands of dynamic machines on a shoestring budget with Lumen, like butter, on 2020 GPUs, and tell me that’s a sluggish engine.
This is on Gearbox, who’ve developed on Unreal for 2 decades. And ‘sorry, we’ll work on it’ would have been a fine response…
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 11:51
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My understanding is that Unreal is a garbage engine for optimization at face value, it has a lot of useful tools and a lot of incorrect/dated documentation for those tools some of which are also just kind of configured wrong as their default settings. If effort is put into optimization to configure things correctly and only use the various tools like nanite or lumen in their actual use cases (rather than just throwing them on everything) you can get some pretty fantastic optimization.
TLDR: Good but complex tools marketed as low effort with bad defaults and exagerated marketing.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 12:04
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Gearbox has developed on Unreal Engine since 2005. They have ~1,300 employees.
I’m sorry, I know game dev is hard. But if small, new studios can get it to work, Gearbox should get it to fly. They have no excuse.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Sep 11:52
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Right because Cyberpunk looks amazing in 2025 and it ran like shit five years ago at launch.
But 4K gaming is more demanding than people realise and gaming companies shouldn’t be getting so much flak for it.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 11:56
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Honestly Cyberpunk’s raytracing runs like poo compared to Lumen (or KCD2 Crytek) compared to how good it looks. I don’t like any of the RT effects but RT Reflections; both RT shadows options flicker, RT lighting conflicts with the baked-in lighting, yet doesn’t replace it if you mod it out.
Most of Cyberpunk’s prettiness is there from good old rastarization, more than most people realize.
PTGI looks incredible, but it’s basically only usable with mods and a 4090+.
Eh, I guess it is. But it also isn’t. We have stagnated a bit in the rasterization and VRAM departments when you talk about affordable entry level cards that most people buy.
And the PlayStation 5 has not changed since it launched…
Sure, newer cards have Ray Tracing stuff and new video encoder pipelines and some other things. But when you look at classic rasterization, and look at xx60 and xx70 class cards, it’s not the sort of leaps we use to have. Node shrinks are not what they use to be.
A 3060 is as fast as a 2070 super. Just as an example I have first hand experience with. There use to be much larger performance gaps between generations.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 20:22
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You shouldn’t need leaps in hardware to render a highly stylized cell shaded video game in the year 2025.
Yeah, but it’s not just a toon shader/cel shaded shader.
I’ve seen footage, this game has full (highly stylized) PBR and all sorts of fancy lighting along with the cell shaded look. Reducing it all to “cell shading” isn’t the whole story.
Hi-Fi Rush is much closer to classic Borderlands than BL4 is.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Sep 21:57
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Right, I’ve seen the footage too, and I don’t think I’d recognize it as a Borderlands game if the name wasn’t included in the ads. I’m struggling to understand why they chose to go that route, rather than sticking to the beloved, iconic, performant art style of the other games in the series.
That’s a fair take. I’m sure they feared looking dated. I think that’s a misguided fear that you have when you don’t think the other aspects can live up to expectations.
Which is weird because it sounds like they tried really hard with the story, as in they tried to elevate it beyond the usual dick and fart jokes and snark. (They didn’t eliminate that stuff, but rather tried to have a balance) BL3 was terrible in that dept. it went way too hard on that shit imo.
He probally knows only a certain percentage of his audience will ever hear about this.
Red_October@piefed.world
on 17 Sep 12:31
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This guy is why PR consultants and Social Media teams exist. Some people just should not have contact with the public. However good he might or might not be in his work on the project itself, someone should have told him to sit down and shut up and let someone who knows how not to damage the entire game with a single statement handle the communication.
I generally have nothing but a deep sense of loathing for marketing, but I genuinely feel bad for the people who have to try smearing lipstick on this pig.
I’m not much of a fan of the series, but the complaints I’m seeing are in the “I only get 30fps instead of 60fps on ultra!” kinds of things that make me roll my eyes super hard
Anarch157a@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Sep 01:28
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The eye rolling would be justified if the 30FPS was on something like a 3070 or something like that, but when the complaint comes from someone sporting a 5090, well…
If the game runs at 30FPS on the latest, greatest top-of-the-line card from Nvidia, imagine what kind of performance people are getting from 4060s or RX6600s…
A game that’s this badly optimised is a disrespect to all gamers.
Is that what the situation is? I think that’s also only the case on 4k with brutal mode enabled or whatever.
Obviously that’s still not great if so, but I’d still put it in the eyeroll category personally. I don’t really feel butthurt if I have to run at 1080p or enable vlss or not get 120fps or whatever, especially on day 1 for a game.
But I come from an era where there were games you had to shrink some 3d games lower than 320x200 to get a playable 10fps, so I’m also probably feeling some “back in my day we walked uphill both ways - kids today” energy here. What do I know.
"There's no such thing as bad press" is such a dogshit saying that is demonstrably untrue. There is absolutely bad press, just because we're talking about it doesn't mean it's good for the product. For every one schmuck who thinks they'll buy Borderlands 4 just to prove how good their computer is, there's a hundred people who have decided never to buy it at all and half if them have written off gearbox entirely.
bungle_in_the_jungle@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 12:42
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He’s right. Refund it and don’t bother supporting him again. Simple!
They care because people that haven’t bought it should know that these issues don’t seem to be getting better. They should know that their money would be going to that asshole’s pockets. This shit matters and you wanting to plug your ears to discomfort doesn’t change that.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Sep 13:14
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Overrated franchise has dogshit legacy sequel. More news at 11.
Einhornyordle@feddit.org
on 17 Sep 14:29
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I guess the most hated man on the internet had a point when he called Randy out for having shitty takes
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 14:45
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Who is the most hated man on the internet? I thought that was me.
Yes. It’s a clip from the show/meme where the other guy in the elevator says, “I feel sorry for you”. Then the guy in the picture above says, “I don’t even think about you.”
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 16:09
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Ahh, fair enough. I’m guessing that was a response to my joke
Man I don’t know how the board of directors is going to feel about the CEO telling people to refund their game. That seems like it would be on the list of things you don’t want your CEO telling people.
it got the community manager for helldivers 2 fired, so… 🍿
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 20:34
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Dude is a never ending source of stupidity.
So it’s been reported that the PS 5 suffers from performance issues, especially during long play periods due to being perfectly optimized and this is his latest response:
“Known issue of perf dropping on PS5 pro after several hours of continuous play,” he said. “Workaround until we patch: Quit game and restart. Sorry for the friction!”
I mean, he’s an airheaded out-of-touch fellow-kids piece of shit, but he’s not entirely wrong about restarting a game if it starts getting fucky after several hours of continuous play.
Also, I’d suggest to just about anyone that they should probably at least get up and walk around, maybe get some fresh air, if you’re gonna be gaming all day. Your devices need breaks too.
treesquid@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 21:08
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He’s not wrong, but a game you have to do that to isn’t made very well.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 22:09
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Lol @ devices need breaks too. What an absolute nonsense.
Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world
on 17 Sep 22:15
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If you’re cold, they’re cold. Bring them inside
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 22:39
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Honestly for a new game three or for hours sessions on a game like this is pretty normal and people are saying that it’s a constant drop in performance after just an hour or two and continues to get worse until your running like your in a 1070.
And no these consoles and computers are not expected to need a break after just a two hours of running, that’s not how good applications work.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
on 18 Sep 01:57
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Devices don’t “need breaks”. This problem is indicative of a memory leak, which means they coded something shitty.
Sure, playing for 7 hours straight is excessive, but this shouldn’t happen.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Sep 02:06
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The only games I know of that need to restart every once in awhile are Paradox games and ultra modded Bethesda games. Paradox because sometimes the game needs a restart to let the AI reprioritize and for Bethesda it’s because of memory leaks that become a problem after too many mods. The fact that Borderlands 4 is that bad out of the box is fucking sad.
morphballganon@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 20:43
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Hey board of directors! Make me your new CEO and I will fix this problem!
DegenerationIP@lemmy.world
on 17 Sep 20:52
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Damn, that all is Comedy and insanely ridiculous.
People wanted this Game so Bad. They fucked up a bit … and the CEO goes banana. What a sad ending to this
Borderlands really didnt deserve another chance after the shit games theyve released but it seems people fell for.the marketing and gave it one anyway. Now the same thing is happening the game is shit and was sold at a ridiculous price and while you’re sitting there trying to scrap together some enjoyment youve got this asshole Randy hitting headlines daily.
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Can someone find an excuse for how this behaviour is not just extremely short sighted / plain stupid? Never heard of the guy before, but he seems to behave like a petty little child throwing a tantrum for something that is obviously his or some of his near colleagues fault. Comparable level of stupidity to “Do you guys not have phones?” lol.
I think they would be better of by just ignoring or at least appeasing the crowd with something.
Edit: I read into some of his key moments as a person and comments he made on the topic. Yikes. Maybe he is trying to appeal to edgy kids so they nag their parents to buy better hardware. Maybe his brain got quadruple-A-fried over the years. But then again, maybe he is just another CEO asshole and has always been lol. It’s a shame, Borderlands 1 and 2 were great games back then. Just let a good game rest in peace, there is no need and no sense in milking every last drop out of every successful series. /rant
Musk/Trump type wannabe.
Lucky you. Randy has a long history of being an insufferable asshole
Pretty much. Can’t remember what he did that ticked me off like 8 years ago.
I stopped buying and surprise surprise, got everything after Borderland 2 for literally free or like $2-3 at some point.
There was his crashout before Borderlands 2 where Gearbox accepted a boatload of Sega money to help finish Colonial Marines, and instead outsourced the project. Gearbox kept the money in spite of the failure, and allegedly used it as funding for Borderlands 2. (They were sued by Sega for keeping the cash, but later dropped the suit)
He also crashed out during the Borderlands 3 leadup.
Groped the Claptrap VA 6 years ago because he was tired of voicing Claptrap “as a favor” and when offered normal market rates wanted more because Claptrap is iconic. Pitchford cornered him at the hotel elevator, grabbed the VAs junk and said “youre gonna do what I tell you to” -allegedly.
Other than that, about the same time, he left a thumb drive at a Medieval Times that had company secrets and squirt porn on it. Same thumb drive. Brother apparently can’t afford 2 thumb drives to keep his porn separate from his company secrets.
Pitchford is the problem with Gearbox, but as a whole he’s a far cry from being Rockstar or Nestle, so it doesn’t cross people’s Ick threshold to trigger boycotts.
He’s the poster boy for being successful while being the dumbest guy in every room he enters.
Present times have shown us that a lot of CEOs are incompetent idiots with mental disorders
No, in fact at this point, I struggle to imagine what value he could possibly provide his employer that could match or exceed the damage he’s doing. Certainly, everywhere I’ve worked in the games industry he’d have been out on his ass… some time ago. I clearly must be missing something. Who knows?
I mean, he’s the CEO, but there must be a board and a group of investors he’s answering to.
Yeah, I’m a longtime Borderlands fan who follows what’s going on with the franchise, and Randy just acts like a child who inherited a video game company. He usually says this dumb shit with a smile on his face, so I think he’s intending it to be in good fun, but it just does not come across that way.
Could as well be the case. Would fit to the general theme of the series lol.
right?
Randy Pitchford has been this way for years.
I guess its news to some people Randy shooting off his mouth.
When you fire everyone that disagrees with you, it doesn’t take long to loose the ability to handle criticism.
Like, there’s a very good chance this guy has had absolutely nothing but praise while “working” on this game. So now that people whose job doesn’t depend on making him feel like a genius are giving feedback, it literally breaks his brain.
He most likely genuinely believes the game is perfect and all the criticism is from “trolls and haters” who are just lying because their jealous of his genius.
There’s a reason this attitude is so pervasive among the wealthy.
Now that I think about it, that has been one of my two blanket explanations for rich people being assholes.
The other one being the mix-up of correlation and causation (or even just the direction of causation). Money arguably does make you a worse person, but also being a bad person usually can make you a lot of money in the first place.
That feeds back into what I was saying, it’s the same thing.
The first couple times you dick someone over for money, you’re gonna feel bad.
But everyone at the company is going to pat you on the back and say you’re a genius cuz numbers went up.
Anyone who says it wasn’t worth the numbers going up, gets fired.
The wealthy live in a bubble where the only people they interact with only care about money
Our whole capitalist society is a giant feedback loop that concentrates wealth and strips the wealthy of their humanity.
It’s not like there’s some problem where something is broken, this is the natural and logical result of how we’ve spent the last couple generations
Unregulated capitalism always ends in an oligarchy with most people penniless
It’s not. It works because he’s always operated like this and keeps getting away with it. People keep sucking up his garbage games so why should he change?
I mean the best thing they could do is to acknowledge that the game could use some optimization and promise to continue working on it. Even if they have no intention of doing so. But that might get them in trouble with Nvidia since they slapped an “Nvidia optimized” badge on it.
The worst thing they could do is say “buy a better PC”.
I think that sticker just means you sent Nvidia a pre-release build so they had time to add game-specific hacks to their drivers before your launch.
Exactly, like what CDPR did with Cyberpunk - own up to the fact that it was shit on release, then take the time to fix it and update it. People flipped nearly overnight from having a negative opinion of the game to a positive one when they released the working version of the game (plus a really solid DLC, which probably helped too).
I still think it’s fucked up that CDPR and so many others have a “release it now, fix it later” mentality, but yes, at least they owned it.
I hadent heard of him until BL4 was released, but man does he seem like a real big piece of work lol
[Gabe Dislike That]
Gabe not even noticing from 1 of his 6 superyachts
I literally thought an in game boss was telling you to get a refund
That would be comical. Breaking the 4th wall, boss talking shit. Get a refund you suck at this, while you’re at it throw your PC in a lake, fish play better.
Dude that’s some serious Sans stuff
Oh, Sans is smarter than that; he’d say how you can’t refund because you’ve already played for way more than 2 hours to get this far. If anything, he would mention your actual playtime statistic in his dialogue.
The games called Serious Sam.
To make it perfect, the boss should appear right after the two hour mark is met, so you actually can’t. The boss should also use that material. Modern day metal gear solid is they also manage to pull user owned games and game data from steam API or something.
I don’t get it. Borderlands 1 ran at like 720p (less?) on native hardware (Xbox 360) and it looked great, mostly because of the cel-shaded graphics. Cel-shaded was code (maybe still is) for low-res and it covers it up well. So I feel like anyone trying to push 4K Borderlands (Gearbox, or players) is in the wrong here and that may be part of the problem. Now if Borderlands 4 can’t run at 1080p or 1440p on good hardware… that’s Gearbox’s problem to fix. Trying to run Borderlands at 4K sounds about as stupid to me as Animal Crossing at 8K — apparently that has been accomplished with a very powerful computer and an emulator. (AC for Switch is not performance locked to hardware, it’ll scale up to whatever you can run it on.) But it just begs the question “fucking WHY?”.
I feel like the discourse around Borderlands 4 should be “is it fun” followed at a great distance by “is the story compelling enough to draw me in?” I did not have plot expectations for the first one, and it exceeded them.
Disclaimer: played and beat BL1 and all its DLC. Dabbled in 2 and 3. Have not played BL4 yet. Looking forward to a Siren play on my Series X at some point, but not now.
On the contrary, it should be perfectly runnable at 4K because its a 2025 FPS game and the cel-shaded graphics should be easy to render.
‘Unreal Engine’ is no excuse either. Try something like Satisfactory rendering literally thousands of dynamic machines on a shoestring budget with Lumen, like butter, on 2020 GPUs, and tell me that’s a sluggish engine.
This is on Gearbox, who’ve developed on Unreal for 2 decades. And ‘sorry, we’ll work on it’ would have been a fine response…
My understanding is that Unreal is a garbage engine for optimization at face value, it has a lot of useful tools and a lot of incorrect/dated documentation for those tools some of which are also just kind of configured wrong as their default settings. If effort is put into optimization to configure things correctly and only use the various tools like nanite or lumen in their actual use cases (rather than just throwing them on everything) you can get some pretty fantastic optimization.
TLDR: Good but complex tools marketed as low effort with bad defaults and exagerated marketing.
Gearbox has developed on Unreal Engine since 2005. They have ~1,300 employees.
I’m sorry, I know game dev is hard. But if small, new studios can get it to work, Gearbox should get it to fly. They have no excuse.
Right because Cyberpunk looks amazing in 2025 and it ran like shit five years ago at launch.
But 4K gaming is more demanding than people realise and gaming companies shouldn’t be getting so much flak for it.
Honestly Cyberpunk’s raytracing runs like poo compared to Lumen (or KCD2 Crytek) compared to how good it looks. I don’t like any of the RT effects but RT Reflections; both RT shadows options flicker, RT lighting conflicts with the baked-in lighting, yet doesn’t replace it if you mod it out.
Most of Cyberpunk’s prettiness is there from good old rastarization, more than most people realize.
PTGI looks incredible, but it’s basically only usable with mods and a 4090+.
why are we comparing a game 5 years ago to one released today? hardware is much more capable now.
Eh, I guess it is. But it also isn’t. We have stagnated a bit in the rasterization and VRAM departments when you talk about affordable entry level cards that most people buy.
And the PlayStation 5 has not changed since it launched…
Sure, newer cards have Ray Tracing stuff and new video encoder pipelines and some other things. But when you look at classic rasterization, and look at xx60 and xx70 class cards, it’s not the sort of leaps we use to have. Node shrinks are not what they use to be.
A 3060 is as fast as a 2070 super. Just as an example I have first hand experience with. There use to be much larger performance gaps between generations.
You shouldn’t need leaps in hardware to render a highly stylized cell shaded video game in the year 2025.
Yeah, but it’s not just a toon shader/cel shaded shader.
I’ve seen footage, this game has full (highly stylized) PBR and all sorts of fancy lighting along with the cell shaded look. Reducing it all to “cell shading” isn’t the whole story.
Hi-Fi Rush is much closer to classic Borderlands than BL4 is.
Right, I’ve seen the footage too, and I don’t think I’d recognize it as a Borderlands game if the name wasn’t included in the ads. I’m struggling to understand why they chose to go that route, rather than sticking to the beloved, iconic, performant art style of the other games in the series.
That’s a fair take. I’m sure they feared looking dated. I think that’s a misguided fear that you have when you don’t think the other aspects can live up to expectations.
Which is weird because it sounds like they tried really hard with the story, as in they tried to elevate it beyond the usual dick and fart jokes and snark. (They didn’t eliminate that stuff, but rather tried to have a balance) BL3 was terrible in that dept. it went way too hard on that shit imo.
Seems like the kind of guy I’d want in charge of my company. “Don’t buy my stuff” is some next level 4D marketing.
He probally knows only a certain percentage of his audience will ever hear about this.
This guy is why PR consultants and Social Media teams exist. Some people just should not have contact with the public. However good he might or might not be in his work on the project itself, someone should have told him to sit down and shut up and let someone who knows how not to damage the entire game with a single statement handle the communication.
I generally have nothing but a deep sense of loathing for marketing, but I genuinely feel bad for the people who have to try smearing lipstick on this pig.
Is it really that bad?
I’m not much of a fan of the series, but the complaints I’m seeing are in the “I only get 30fps instead of 60fps on ultra!” kinds of things that make me roll my eyes super hard
The eye rolling would be justified if the 30FPS was on something like a 3070 or something like that, but when the complaint comes from someone sporting a 5090, well…
If the game runs at 30FPS on the latest, greatest top-of-the-line card from Nvidia, imagine what kind of performance people are getting from 4060s or RX6600s…
A game that’s this badly optimised is a disrespect to all gamers.
Is that what the situation is? I think that’s also only the case on 4k with brutal mode enabled or whatever.
Obviously that’s still not great if so, but I’d still put it in the eyeroll category personally. I don’t really feel butthurt if I have to run at 1080p or enable vlss or not get 120fps or whatever, especially on day 1 for a game.
But I come from an era where there were games you had to shrink some 3d games lower than 320x200 to get a playable 10fps, so I’m also probably feeling some “back in my day we walked uphill both ways - kids today” energy here. What do I know.
Problem is, there’s no such thing as bad press. Here we are talking about it.
Yep, talking about how I will never buy a gearbox game.
"There's no such thing as bad press" is such a dogshit saying that is demonstrably untrue. There is absolutely bad press, just because we're talking about it doesn't mean it's good for the product. For every one schmuck who thinks they'll buy Borderlands 4 just to prove how good their computer is, there's a hundred people who have decided never to buy it at all and half if them have written off gearbox entirely.
He’s right. Refund it and don’t bother supporting him again. Simple!
I disagree. Don’t buy it to begin with lol
Exactly. I don’t get why people even cares about what this dude is saying. Dont like the game? Refund it ffs.
They care because people that haven’t bought it should know that these issues don’t seem to be getting better. They should know that their money would be going to that asshole’s pockets. This shit matters and you wanting to plug your ears to discomfort doesn’t change that.
Overrated franchise has dogshit legacy sequel. More news at 11.
I guess the most hated man on the internet had a point when he called Randy out for having shitty takes
Who is the most hated man on the internet? I thought that was me.
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Is that someone from Mad Men? I don’t watch much TV.
Yes. It’s a clip from the show/meme where the other guy in the elevator says, “I feel sorry for you”. Then the guy in the picture above says, “I don’t even think about you.”
Ahh, fair enough. I’m guessing that was a response to my joke
I think it was just as much of a joke-y response. Kind of like saying, “who the hell are you, anyway?”
Randy has inspired me to purchase the game and immediately refund it. Thanks Randy!
CRASH! SLAMMED! POPPED!
Man I don’t know how the board of directors is going to feel about the CEO telling people to refund their game. That seems like it would be on the list of things you don’t want your CEO telling people.
it got the community manager for helldivers 2 fired, so… 🍿
Dude is a never ending source of stupidity.
So it’s been reported that the PS 5 suffers from performance issues, especially during long play periods due to being perfectly optimized and this is his latest response:
I mean, he’s an airheaded out-of-touch fellow-kids piece of shit, but he’s not entirely wrong about restarting a game if it starts getting fucky after several hours of continuous play.
Also, I’d suggest to just about anyone that they should probably at least get up and walk around, maybe get some fresh air, if you’re gonna be gaming all day. Your devices need breaks too.
He’s not wrong, but a game you have to do that to isn’t made very well.
Lol @ devices need breaks too. What an absolute nonsense.
If you’re cold, they’re cold. Bring them inside
Honestly for a new game three or for hours sessions on a game like this is pretty normal and people are saying that it’s a constant drop in performance after just an hour or two and continues to get worse until your running like your in a 1070.
And no these consoles and computers are not expected to need a break after just a two hours of running, that’s not how good applications work.
Devices don’t “need breaks”. This problem is indicative of a memory leak, which means they coded something shitty.
Sure, playing for 7 hours straight is excessive, but this shouldn’t happen.
The only games I know of that need to restart every once in awhile are Paradox games and ultra modded Bethesda games. Paradox because sometimes the game needs a restart to let the AI reprioritize and for Bethesda it’s because of memory leaks that become a problem after too many mods. The fact that Borderlands 4 is that bad out of the box is fucking sad.
Hey board of directors! Make me your new CEO and I will fix this problem!
Damn, that all is Comedy and insanely ridiculous.
People wanted this Game so Bad. They fucked up a bit … and the CEO goes banana. What a sad ending to this
Borderlands really didnt deserve another chance after the shit games theyve released but it seems people fell for.the marketing and gave it one anyway. Now the same thing is happening the game is shit and was sold at a ridiculous price and while you’re sitting there trying to scrap together some enjoyment youve got this asshole Randy hitting headlines daily.