Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works
on 09 May 17:02
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Anyone still buying Nintendo products at this point isn’t paying attention.
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip
on 09 May 17:49
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You can’t negotiate with junkies. You need to get them into treatment
warmaster@lemmy.world
on 09 May 17:52
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At this point, I guess they are either ignorant, unethical, or they are just lying to themselves because they can’t resist the temptation to play their games.
Look I don’t fault developers for kissing the ring. I know and have spoken with multiple devs at different Nintendo affiliated companies and they don’t enjoy it either but it lets them make the games they love for the people that they want to entertain.
I can’t say I support hating a full group of people because that’s not great either. “… except for the Amish but it’ll never get back to them” - John Pinette
In my case, I don’t hate them. I respect those devs, people have to put food on their tables somehow, and this way isn’t one of the worst… I just believe that by doing so, we are helping to perpetuate vicious corporativism.
Nintendo isn’t just the nestle of companies to users… they are the same or worse to their own.
I’ve seen people lose teams over errant comments about a novel idea for the IP they would love to see happen, or maybe even be developing as a passion project, purged for the notion that they were anything more than drones.
It’s a disgusting work culture taking advantage of bright eyed developers that grew up with fond memories of the brand. I genuinely love some of the IP and worlds made by the developers - but I will never, ever, spend a fucking penny on that company until it is changed.
I‘ll still buy their controller because you can‘t sue Chinese companies either so what‘s the difference? However I‘ll use it for PC gaming. No way I‘m going back to their ecosystem. Those days are gone.
radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com
on 09 May 17:07
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Forced arbitration is unconstitutional. Roberts should be ashamed of himself.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
on 09 May 17:15
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Don’t worry Nintendo, even as someone who grew up on SMB, you’ve thoroughly convinced me to never do business with you ever again. Not even nostalgia…
If you try and play Nintendo online with a modded switch running pirated ROMs you’re gonna have a bad time.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world
on 09 May 21:51
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So then if you need multiplayer…
Local games only
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works
on 09 May 17:52
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Don’t give these assholes any more money.
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works
on 09 May 17:51
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Wow Nintendo is really quadrupling down on being absolutely shitty! Love that I have a Steam Deck instead of a Switch because I’m never buying from these assholes again. I loved a ton of their franchises and have spent thousands of dollars on Nintendo consoles and games, but I’m fed up with their greed.
Section 6(1)(14) of the Austrian Consumer Protection Act states that any contractual provision requiring a consumer to waive their right to assert claims is invalid.
Wow, is this not the case everywhere? People can’t know the laws of their own country without paying? 😵💫
notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world
on 09 May 18:32
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This shit never holds up in court - you can’t just sign rights away by clicking “accept” on a EULA. This is a scare tactic designed to stop people before they ever try because “well it says i can’t do that in the eula.”
If Nintendo give you a reason to sue them, sue the ever loving shit out of those greedy corporate fucks.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
on 09 May 19:08
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Never say never in the US at least and never give these assholes corporations an inch they will screw you every chance they can and it will cost the consumer money and time in the end with these shenanigans.
notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world
on 09 May 19:44
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Fair.
I may have been thinking about articles I’ve read about the EU and how they don’t tolerate this particular brand of corpo overreach, my apologies and thank you for the correction.
“Except for Claims (i) in which a party is attempting to protect its intellectual property rights (such as its patent, copyright, trademark, trade secret, anti-circumvention, or moral rights, but not including its privacy or publicity rights) …”
So in other words, the types of matters Nintendo thinks it might have a dispute against users, court and class actions are okay, but for everything that they think users might file against Nintendo, they think arbitration is best.
What sort of half assed reporting came up with this story? This is not a new policy. If I remember right, Nintendo added a forced arbitration clause to their EULA about 10 years ago (I would try to find an exact date, but Google is flooded with articles parroting this story).
Should companies be allowed to force arbitration as a shield against all law suits? Hell fucking no, but their lawyers say they can, so any company with a EULA written by a half decent lawyer includes the wording.
At this point, the only reason anyone would complain that a company includes the clause is rage bait.
That was a recent change, and it’s still anti-consumer. It’s an attempt to block class action suits.
BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network
on 11 May 00:37
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Yeah, if I recall the change was because so many people took them to arbitration at the same time that the cost wasn’t worth it, so they changed the policy to ‘local court’ to avoid the situation repeating while also sidestepping any large class action attempts.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 10 May 15:16
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There’s a good chance that clause won’t hold up in court, but proving that would require a lot of time and money.
Exactly why they put it. You would first need to win a trial to get the clause voided and then win another trial to get actual damages or you can go to arbitration and get a modest settlement. Most people will take the latter.
I was hoping to accelerate that by making alternatives to their games as well
DevotedShitStain69@lemmy.world
on 11 May 01:44
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Just how an NDA won’t protect a(n) person/entity from legal repercussions when committing crimes from being “leaked” doesn’t mean it’ll hold in court, just how these highly illegal and predatory EULAs shouldn’t either. There’s a reason why this bullshit only happens in America, this EULA elsewhere wouldn’t work unless it’s modified to not contain this blatant shit of a thing. It’s a shame we’re the few dumb enough to allow our own downfall while parading our aggressors. 🫠🫠🫠
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Anyone still buying Nintendo products at this point isn’t paying attention.
You can’t negotiate with junkies. You need to get them into treatment
At this point, I guess they are either ignorant, unethical, or they are just lying to themselves because they can’t resist the temptation to play their games.
Look I don’t fault developers for kissing the ring. I know and have spoken with multiple devs at different Nintendo affiliated companies and they don’t enjoy it either but it lets them make the games they love for the people that they want to entertain.
I can’t say I support hating a full group of people because that’s not great either. “… except for the Amish but it’ll never get back to them” - John Pinette
In my case, I don’t hate them. I respect those devs, people have to put food on their tables somehow, and this way isn’t one of the worst… I just believe that by doing so, we are helping to perpetuate vicious corporativism.
Nintendo isn’t just the nestle of companies to users… they are the same or worse to their own.
I’ve seen people lose teams over errant comments about a novel idea for the IP they would love to see happen, or maybe even be developing as a passion project, purged for the notion that they were anything more than drones.
It’s a disgusting work culture taking advantage of bright eyed developers that grew up with fond memories of the brand. I genuinely love some of the IP and worlds made by the developers - but I will never, ever, spend a fucking penny on that company until it is changed.
I see Nintendo emulation / mod chipping / console hacking I support it. Toxic company deserves a return in kind for its abuse of its fanbase.
Anyone still buying anything they can get for free at this point isn’t paying attention.
I‘ll still buy their controller because you can‘t sue Chinese companies either so what‘s the difference? However I‘ll use it for PC gaming. No way I‘m going back to their ecosystem. Those days are gone.
Forced arbitration is unconstitutional. Roberts should be ashamed of himself.
Don’t worry Nintendo, even as someone who grew up on SMB, you’ve thoroughly convinced me to never do business with you ever again. Not even nostalgia…
Check out Jak & Daxter.
Welp, fuck playing online anymore, just buying a switch 2 to hack it…
Why? Emulators baybeeee free.99
Do all emulators support online play though?
If you try and play Nintendo online with a modded switch running pirated ROMs you’re gonna have a bad time.
So then if you need multiplayer…
Local games only
Don’t give these assholes any more money.
Wow Nintendo is really quadrupling down on being absolutely shitty! Love that I have a Steam Deck instead of a Switch because I’m never buying from these assholes again. I loved a ton of their franchises and have spent thousands of dollars on Nintendo consoles and games, but I’m fed up with their greed.
Don’t forget, you can and should still pirate their games.
Torzu is the logical successor to Yuzu. There will undoubtedly be a Switch 2 emulator.
Do not give these corporations your money. They will always use it against us.
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I am very happy to be living in Austria. We have this law right here www.ris.bka.gv.at/NormDokument.wxe?Abfrage=Bundes… (And yes, our laws are available for free and up-to-date for everyone)
Section 6(1)(14) of the Austrian Consumer Protection Act states that any contractual provision requiring a consumer to waive their right to assert claims is invalid.
Wow, is this not the case everywhere? People can’t know the laws of their own country without paying? 😵💫
This shit never holds up in court - you can’t just sign rights away by clicking “accept” on a EULA. This is a scare tactic designed to stop people before they ever try because “well it says i can’t do that in the eula.”
If Nintendo give you a reason to sue them, sue the ever loving shit out of those greedy corporate fucks.
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expertinstitute.com/…/arbitration-clauses-user-ag…
centerjd.org/…/fact-sheet-cases-tossed-out-court-…
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Never say never in the US at least and never give these assholes corporations an inch they will screw you every chance they can and it will cost the consumer money and time in the end with these shenanigans.
Fair.
I may have been thinking about articles I’ve read about the EU and how they don’t tolerate this particular brand of corpo overreach, my apologies and thank you for the correction.
God I wish I lived in a sane country.
Remember the “Disney can legally kill your wife” memes?
Jokes on them, no one reads that shit!
Good thing that such clauses are null and void in Québec, Canada.
www.canlii.org/en/qc/laws/…/cqlr-c-p-40.1.html#se…
Just so ya’ll know, EULAs are routinely thrown out of court.
They straight up don’t matter, and anything that is extremely long and asks you to ‘agree’ to it is subject to the same scrutiny.
All of the times we clicked agree without reading actually helped us, because now courts can say “nobody reads that stuff before hitting accept.”
They’re basically there to reduce lawsuits, not prevent them.
The EU has said that EULAs have zero basics in law and we can ignore them.
US will say, “give us money Nintendo. We got your back.”
“Except for Claims (i) in which a party is attempting to protect its intellectual property rights (such as its patent, copyright, trademark, trade secret, anti-circumvention, or moral rights, but not including its privacy or publicity rights) …”
So in other words, the types of matters Nintendo thinks it might have a dispute against users, court and class actions are okay, but for everything that they think users might file against Nintendo, they think arbitration is best.
What sort of half assed reporting came up with this story? This is not a new policy. If I remember right, Nintendo added a forced arbitration clause to their EULA about 10 years ago (I would try to find an exact date, but Google is flooded with articles parroting this story).
It came up with regards to Joy-Con drift in 2017: law.justia.com/cases/federal/…/21/
Should companies be allowed to force arbitration as a shield against all law suits? Hell fucking no, but their lawyers say they can, so any company with a EULA written by a half decent lawyer includes the wording.
At this point, the only reason anyone would complain that a company includes the clause is rage bait.
I was so happy to go through the Steam EULA and find that it explicitly states that all disputes will be heard in the court local to the customers.
That was a recent change, and it’s still anti-consumer. It’s an attempt to block class action suits.
Yeah, if I recall the change was because so many people took them to arbitration at the same time that the cost wasn’t worth it, so they changed the policy to ‘local court’ to avoid the situation repeating while also sidestepping any large class action attempts.
There’s a good chance that clause won’t hold up in court, but proving that would require a lot of time and money.
Exactly why they put it. You would first need to win a trial to get the clause voided and then win another trial to get actual damages or you can go to arbitration and get a modest settlement. Most people will take the latter.
The real question is how do we slowly bankrupt nintendo ?
Better yet: how do we fastly bankrupt nintendo?
Don’t buy the switch 2 and cancel your Nintendo online subscription.
By doing nothing. They are awful at reading the room, they’ll kill themselves.
Best bet is to just ignore them until they go away.
I was hoping to accelerate that by making alternatives to their games as well
Just how an NDA won’t protect a(n) person/entity from legal repercussions when committing crimes from being “leaked” doesn’t mean it’ll hold in court, just how these highly illegal and predatory EULAs shouldn’t either. There’s a reason why this bullshit only happens in America, this EULA elsewhere wouldn’t work unless it’s modified to not contain this blatant shit of a thing. It’s a shame we’re the few dumb enough to allow our own downfall while parading our aggressors. 🫠🫠🫠