It would be nice if people just said what they were thinking.
We wanted to juice our PSN subscriber numbers, so we’re forcing everybody to make a PSN account, so hopefully they spend more money with us in the future
I mean it’s mostly just something to say, I haven’t put a lot of thought into it. But there are things that are objectively true, and objectively false. If a company states something that is objectively false, then they should be held accountable. This PSN issue is an area where it becomes subjective, or at least difficult to prove, and then we’re right back where we started.
I want to say it was a clause of the FCC’s Fairness Doctrine, wherein newscasters were legally required to present information on events and political matters as unbiased as possible on publicly-issued airwaves. It lost a lot of its steam when cable became commonplace, as cable networks were technically closed-circuit systems, and then it went out the door with the internet. On top of which, stations like Fox News claiming to be entertainment and not news stations helped their cause. The original idea was that if the FCC was to grant you a broadcast license, you were obliged to operate in the interest of the public, and the doctrine expressly forbade operating for personal gain.
they also do not protected customers private information. Let alone their own…
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 09 Nov 01:30
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To be fair, Totoki has a bit of a point when it comes to safety concerns, as PlayStation will be required to oversee interactions between players in its multiplayer games, but that doesn’t really explain why single-player games force players to create PSN accounts.
What ever happened to “Online interactions are not rated by the ESRB” and “Online interactions may lead to a different or unintended experience” and other such concepts?
I mean, this is pretty rich coming from one of the most hackable companies in history. But still.
I think “Disclaimer: Product may explode and take out your eye” only goes so far in terms of warning consumers. Better to actually have something protecting them.
EDIT: My tired mind when I wrote that was just specifically annoyed at the use of disclaimers to excuse a negative trait of software/products. Basically, I was reminded of when Cyberpunk hit the issue of seizure content, and all they did was add a generic warning to the game. But, I really should have added: Sony attempting to use consumer protection to excuse PSN is also stupid. Basically, I’d gotten off topic.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 09 Nov 05:23
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No online interaction is going to be as harmful as a product exploding and taking out your eye. Except in the case of children and pedos, perhaps. But in that case, most responsibility (all, in my opinion) is on the parents to monitor their child’s online gaming. Additionally, a system that doesnt require PSN accounts that monitors in game chat for words and phrases that flags for human interception could easily be implemented. Something like that could be caught quickly and dealt with easily before actual damage occurs.
The same Sony that put some software on CDs that would install itself, could not be removed, and was invisible to the end-user? Oh yeah, very secure.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk
on 09 Nov 04:59
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Just to fully expound on what you’re saying, it was a rootkit, literally malware.
LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com
on 09 Nov 07:25
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ROFL They’ve gotten breached so many times and drained of data, it’s cute that they are trying to gaslight consumers into believing this bullshit! It’s all about looking popular and inflating their free accounts, so those freeloaders can become payers at some point in time. Steam is far more secure than Sony, I would prefer that they’d just give up with trying to strong-arm PC gamers into signing up for their PSN Slop.
Pausing the sony bad narrative for two minutes. Where the fuck was all of this outrage when Rockstar, Ubisoft, EA, Actiblizz and so on did the exact same for over a fucking decade? Why is sony the straw that beoke the camel’s back when theirs isn’t even the worse requirement? Shit, I still have PTSD from GFWL.
They have, but the details don’t matter. You can’t force people to do something, then backtrack when there’s people pushing back and then go back to business as if nothing happened. The broken trust is there already - so every game they add their thing to will remind people of Helldivers. There’s a reason this article has Helldivers as its thumbnail.
As much as I respect that stance I really think people are being trained into this nothing burger by the media. Who cares if they ask for an account? Like, some middle management at sony wants to pump numbers and people need to give an email address. I truly don’t understand what’s the big deal, granted, I don’t buy sony games on PC so I don’t have a horse in the race. Like, I can’t play Apex or Destiny on Linux because “safety” (lol, hackerman intensifies) but the media’s race is bashing a PSN account for “reasons” when we’re being forced to use a spyware OS that enforces its monopoly at every turn? Like, it says on the blurb that a PSN account is needed, don’t buy the game if that’s not kosher, vote with the wallet. I truly am amazed at how the media shifts the narrative away from the actual relevant issues and people just fall for it.
People care since Sony had multiple breaches resulting in passwords / accounts being available to the public. Some even used to buy a bunch of shit off the store and overdraw people’s credit cards.
Just because one thing is bad doesn’t mean you need to agree to something else that is also bad. And if Linux gaming was more popular, more people would push back on games like Apex or Destiny to include anticheats that work on it.
Partially, with the PSN account “requirement” for multiplayer (which worked fine without it even with cross play), they also banned 176 countries from getting the game, accidently (not really) those are the countries where PSN is not available. This Steam store ban is still not lifted to this day, they only reverted the PSN account “requirement”.
And before anybody asks, no it was not Steam that did this on their own, it is the game publisher (PlayStation Publishing LLC) that has to restrict game availability.
Why even go out of your way to spout that bs? Just say nothing, if you’re not about to say „shit, you’re right, no more PSN requirements on PC,“ you can only make it worse
Wait, is this the same company that installed a rootkit on your computer when you inserted a genuine bought music cd,
or has had their databases breached several times, where plain text user credit card data was stolen and the latest one was not that long ago.
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It would be nice if people just said what they were thinking.
We wanted to juice our PSN subscriber numbers, so we’re forcing everybody to make a PSN account, so hopefully they spend more money with us in the future
Right? I’m so completely sick of all the non-stop lying. If I was president, I’d issue an executive order making lying illegal.
Who decides what “truth” is? In concept I’m with you but in practice that sounds like a nightmare. See: mainland china
Governments should be the arbiters of law and recommendations, not the arbiters of truth.
I mean it’s mostly just something to say, I haven’t put a lot of thought into it. But there are things that are objectively true, and objectively false. If a company states something that is objectively false, then they should be held accountable. This PSN issue is an area where it becomes subjective, or at least difficult to prove, and then we’re right back where we started.
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Alright how about ethics laws. Make knowingly lying or blatant dishonesty a felony.
Didn’t news stations at one point have something that required exactly this? Atleast over in america…
I want to say it was a clause of the FCC’s Fairness Doctrine, wherein newscasters were legally required to present information on events and political matters as unbiased as possible on publicly-issued airwaves. It lost a lot of its steam when cable became commonplace, as cable networks were technically closed-circuit systems, and then it went out the door with the internet. On top of which, stations like Fox News claiming to be entertainment and not news stations helped their cause. The original idea was that if the FCC was to grant you a broadcast license, you were obliged to operate in the interest of the public, and the doctrine expressly forbade operating for personal gain.
Sony has the worst track record of anyone to be talking about “safety”
Sony? Safe? Lmao
Are they still storing passwords in plaintext?
We will find out in the next hack.
Sony is the biggest fucking security risk in this entire deal, what the fuck
Especially with the rootkit scandal from 2005, the PSN breach from 2011, the internal employee data breach in 2023, etc
Its extremely funny to me that people still bring this up like its actually relevant to any broad swathe of population.
Giant tech nerds really do be forgetting normal people exist.
Edit: yup, this is what i expected.
I was thinking more along the lines of “ah yes, that thing that happened 19 years ago”
they also do not protected customers private information. Let alone their own…
What ever happened to “Online interactions are not rated by the ESRB” and “Online interactions may lead to a different or unintended experience” and other such concepts?
I mean, this is pretty rich coming from one of the most hackable companies in history. But still.
I think “Disclaimer: Product may explode and take out your eye” only goes so far in terms of warning consumers. Better to actually have something protecting them.
EDIT: My tired mind when I wrote that was just specifically annoyed at the use of disclaimers to excuse a negative trait of software/products. Basically, I was reminded of when Cyberpunk hit the issue of seizure content, and all they did was add a generic warning to the game. But, I really should have added: Sony attempting to use consumer protection to excuse PSN is also stupid. Basically, I’d gotten off topic.
No online interaction is going to be as harmful as a product exploding and taking out your eye. Except in the case of children and pedos, perhaps. But in that case, most responsibility (all, in my opinion) is on the parents to monitor their child’s online gaming. Additionally, a system that doesnt require PSN accounts that monitors in game chat for words and phrases that flags for human interception could easily be implemented. Something like that could be caught quickly and dealt with easily before actual damage occurs.
Cuz when I think about safety of my user data I think Sony
How many databreach had sony until now? I remember more than one
Doesn’t explain single player games.
The same Sony that put some software on CDs that would install itself, could not be removed, and was invisible to the end-user? Oh yeah, very secure.
Just to fully expound on what you’re saying, it was a rootkit, literally malware.
ROFL They’ve gotten breached so many times and drained of data, it’s cute that they are trying to gaslight consumers into believing this bullshit! It’s all about looking popular and inflating their free accounts, so those freeloaders can become payers at some point in time. Steam is far more secure than Sony, I would prefer that they’d just give up with trying to strong-arm PC gamers into signing up for their PSN Slop.
Pausing the sony bad narrative for two minutes. Where the fuck was all of this outrage when Rockstar, Ubisoft, EA, Actiblizz and so on did the exact same for over a fucking decade? Why is sony the straw that beoke the camel’s back when theirs isn’t even the worse requirement? Shit, I still have PTSD from GFWL.
Because they introduced that shit to a successful game way after launch. So people got pissed because it was a bait and switch.
Helldivers 2?
Ya
Oh, I see. I thought they had backtracked on that.
They have, but the details don’t matter. You can’t force people to do something, then backtrack when there’s people pushing back and then go back to business as if nothing happened. The broken trust is there already - so every game they add their thing to will remind people of Helldivers. There’s a reason this article has Helldivers as its thumbnail.
As much as I respect that stance I really think people are being trained into this nothing burger by the media. Who cares if they ask for an account? Like, some middle management at sony wants to pump numbers and people need to give an email address. I truly don’t understand what’s the big deal, granted, I don’t buy sony games on PC so I don’t have a horse in the race. Like, I can’t play Apex or Destiny on Linux because “safety” (lol, hackerman intensifies) but the media’s race is bashing a PSN account for “reasons” when we’re being forced to use a spyware OS that enforces its monopoly at every turn? Like, it says on the blurb that a PSN account is needed, don’t buy the game if that’s not kosher, vote with the wallet. I truly am amazed at how the media shifts the narrative away from the actual relevant issues and people just fall for it.
People care since Sony had multiple breaches resulting in passwords / accounts being available to the public. Some even used to buy a bunch of shit off the store and overdraw people’s credit cards.
Just because one thing is bad doesn’t mean you need to agree to something else that is also bad. And if Linux gaming was more popular, more people would push back on games like Apex or Destiny to include anticheats that work on it.
Partially, with the PSN account “requirement” for multiplayer (which worked fine without it even with cross play), they also banned 176 countries from getting the game, accidently (not really) those are the countries where PSN is not available. This Steam store ban is still not lifted to this day, they only reverted the PSN account “requirement”. And before anybody asks, no it was not Steam that did this on their own, it is the game publisher (PlayStation Publishing LLC) that has to restrict game availability.
Why even go out of your way to spout that bs? Just say nothing, if you’re not about to say „shit, you’re right, no more PSN requirements on PC,“ you can only make it worse
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Wait, is this the same company that installed a rootkit on your computer when you inserted a genuine bought music cd, or has had their databases breached several times, where plain text user credit card data was stolen and the latest one was not that long ago.
That Sony?