Stop Killing Games is facing a complaint in the EU that uses nonsense logic to accuse the movement's founder of failing to disclose financial contributions he never made: 'It's not paranoia if they re (www.pcgamer.com)
from kebab@endlesstalk.org to games@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 11:00
https://endlesstalk.org/post/92155985

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exu@feditown.com on 23 Jul 11:24 next collapse

Love the headline. Great to see publications directly call out bullshit

FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi on 23 Jul 11:24 next collapse

When you run out of even decent logical arguments you attack the people. This really tells that the industry is afraid of this movement and will use all the dirty tricks they know to oppose it.

sanpo@sopuli.xyz on 23 Jul 11:30 next collapse

“Run out”? They never had any arguments.

It was pure unchecked greed and they’re panicking since the movement has a real chance of succeeding now.

FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi on 23 Jul 18:00 collapse

Very true. Was just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

lordnikon@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 16:39 collapse

Rachel: There’s no way we can link the gun to Maroni, so we won’t be able to charge him with anything, but the fact that they’re trying to kill you means that we’re getting to them.

RobotZap10000@feddit.nl on 23 Jul 11:25 next collapse

In short:

The complaint accuses the initiative of “systemic concealment of major contribution,” violating EU stipulations requiring citizens to report any sponsor contributions over €500.

The complaint cites PC Gamer’s interview with Scott from June, in which he said “there have been many weeks on the campaign where I’ve been working 12 to 14 hours a day to keep things moving to get signatures.” That promotional work, the complaint argues, amounts to “€63,000-147,000 in professional contribution” if he’d charged a “market rate” of “€50-75/hour.”

It’s also not how the EU’s disclosure requirements work. As Scott notes in the video, the EU’s citizens’ initiative rules say that “individuals providing non-financial support, such as volunteering, are not considered sponsors under the ECI Regulation and do not need to be reported.”

If the petition heads to the Commission after its petition deadline on July 31, we can expect to see even more exciting rhetorical maneuvers.

I sure hope that the EU can withstand these 4D chess 900 IQ rhetorical maneuvers.

squaresinger@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 12:19 next collapse

I also love this part:

Earlier this month, game publishing trade association Video Games Europe said the initiative’s proposals “would curtail developer choice”

Well, yes, that’s the point of pretty much any regulation about anything. Curtailing the choice of people abusing the system.

Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de on 23 Jul 12:30 collapse

You know who else curtails developer choice by setting arbitrary deadlines and pushing for aggressive monetization? Game publishers. Pretty sure the devs don’t want their game to be universally hated for lootboxes and bugs.

ampersandrew@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 14:03 next collapse

Developers often make the same decisions about monetization as publishers do when they have the same incentives.

Goodeye8@piefed.social on 23 Jul 21:55 collapse

Except developers don't have the same incentives. Publishers are incentivized by profits. Developers are usually incentivized by wanting the world to see their artistic output.

Of course some of them will do it for money because some people are just like that, but overall the industry would probably be in better hands if the developers got the long end of the stick and the publishers got the short end. Right now in the AAA market it's the opposite and it shows.

ampersandrew@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 22:09 collapse

Developers are also incentivized by profit when they’re entitled to keep it rather than a publisher, and this is the case regardless of being AAA or not.

lemjukes@sopuli.xyz on 23 Jul 16:42 collapse

Just look at Battlefront 2, arguably one of the best star wars games ever made and its reputation was irrevocably tanked because the publishers pushed the lootbox model on the game.

lazyViking@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 20:50 next collapse
Hellahunter@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 21:05 collapse

Not only did they push for it, but they also made the game extremely predatory by requiring players to grind for an excessively long time 40 hours for just one character. It’s nasty work.

Fucking luke cost 60k credits gtfo with that.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 23 Jul 12:31 next collapse

“Look at all this paid labour he’s been doing, if he’d been getting paid!”

Goodeye8@piefed.social on 23 Jul 15:00 next collapse

I took it as "Look at all this labour he's been doing. He must be getting paid". They can't fathom someone working on their dream for free.

jawa21@piefed.blahaj.zone on 23 Jul 20:45 collapse

This is what I'm wondering about? Are there videos monetized in any way? If so, they could attempt that argument.

Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works on 23 Jul 12:32 next collapse

Well it’s crazy that they’re accusing him of giving too much of his own time.

I really hope the Stop Killing Games initiative changes something as I want to own my (single player) games forever on every store (not only GOG as it’s not so Linux friendly despite the heroic games launcher).

paraphrand@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 15:41 next collapse

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RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 18:06 next collapse

Ross isnt the movements founder, other people started the citizens initiative. He says this in his videos multiple times.

SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org on 23 Jul 19:06 next collapse

It's the equivalent of "you spelled one word wrong, your entire argument is invalid!"

flop_leash_973@lemmy.world on 23 Jul 22:10 collapse

Tells you that the guy behind it is causing some folks in the halls of power to get some uncomfortable questions.