piracy is preferable over buying a key off of greymarket sites like this tbh
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
on 20 May 18:35
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I honestly think it will sell a lot because most gamers won’t be able to control themselves.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world
on 20 May 18:42
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Or perhaps even find it to be worth the price.
PillowTalk420@lemmy.world
on 20 May 18:42
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What does a 12 year old care about $80? They ain’t spending that. Their parents are.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 20 May 19:48
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When $40 is half price, I will generally pass as if it were $80. There is a glut of amazing content out there for $40 or less, and much of it is truly inspired indie work. When your half-price game is competing with great full-price indie titles, I will continue to ignore your overpriced corporate muck.
Borderlands 3 is in a free giveaway after a year or so on Epic Games. The sales must be abysmal to give a flagship franchise away for free, because of Randy being a bitch and insist exclusive is good. This will hopefully bite them back like last time.
I’m the opposite, I don’t give a monkeys about the story but I like the loot goblining.
That said a borderlands came on the gamepass the other week and I was so excited to lure my boy into co-op with me for the first time in ages. It wouldn’t stop crashing. I googled it to see if they were aware and all I could find was the company sucking it’s own dick about having already released the final patch to stop it crashing so many times. I wouldn’t say I’m thrilled about the idea of dropping $80 on a day one release.
I’m a Loot Goblin that spacebars through the story too, but Borderlands hasn’t been able to scratch that itch in a long time.
The last one I played was Tina’s Wonderland and everything about it was a slog. I didn’t care about any of the loot or any of the fights and I definitely didn’t care about the story.
jwiggler@sh.itjust.works
on 20 May 19:27
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Can you recommend me a starting point? For someone who has no experience with these games, or any Japanese games besides Soulsgames and RE4 remake.
madame_gaymes@programming.dev
on 20 May 19:31
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I’ll add Factorio to the list of games that deserve the $80 tag. $40 for base, $40 for Space Age expansion. Or don’t get Space Age and go with the mod that spawned Space Age (although not exactly the same).
I get it’s a bit of a niche genre, though. The factory thing the way Factorio does it isn’t for everybody.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 May 10:33
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But I don’t like the loot goblining. Constant hunt for ever higher damage numbers.
I honestly don’t know how people play this game. Every 12 seconds coming across new gear. Can’t do it.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world
on 20 May 19:52
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It didn’t used to be like that and they actually mentioned in the deep dive that they’re getting back to the way it was before. Like the point of the game is loot goblining, but they’ve promised not to inundate the player with legendary weapons every twelve seconds so that you actually have time to savor the weapons you get between good drops.
It’s not like I need to do the math to figure out which gun is better and why. Find something with green arrows? Hold E to equip it immediately. If I use it for a bit and dislike it I’ll just swap back to what I was using before and mark it as junk so I sell it next time I buy ammo or fill my inventory.
It’s a combination of a huge variety of attributes and an endless supply. I just get anxiety about walking past a super powerful weapon or dropping it in exchange for something else without realizing it.
If it ain’t a purple I can basically guarantee it’s shit. Just keep the rarity order in mind, and you can generally assume anything that’s less rare than what you have is also worse. One of the load screens in BL1 or BL2 said When Grandma Burps Patrick Obeys- White, Green, Blue, Purple, Orange. Got absolutely burnt into my brain.
But hey, if it’s stressful fair enough. I think they’re fun games, but nothing is for everyone.
Randy’s a twat. I’ll pick that shit up for $20 next Christmas
madame_gaymes@programming.dev
on 20 May 19:32
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kmartburrito@lemmy.world
on 20 May 19:05
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I’m really bad about buying new games at launch where I like the franchise and getting burned (looking at you bf2042).
However with all of the stupid politics, tariffs, and recession coming in the US, I’m sure the hell not buying this at $80, even if I’m a long term borderlands fan. I have way too many games in my library I should be playing/finishing anyway.
I hope others speak with their wallets as well.
HuskerNation@lemmy.zip
on 20 May 19:32
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I was excited for borderlands. Now I’ll wait for them to make it 70% off
bungle_in_the_jungle@lemmy.world
on 20 May 19:47
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Shut up. Dingus.
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works
on 20 May 19:52
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LordWiggle@lemmy.world
on 20 May 20:00
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If you’re a real fan, Randy, you find a way not to fuck up the franchise, but so far after Borderlands 2 you managed to deliver us disappointment after disappointment. So fuck off, I’ll pirate 4 to play it for 3 to 4 hours after which I’ll delete is because it sucks as expected. If I manage to reach 40 hours of gameplay, which is 2 euros per hour, I’ll buy your game. But we both know this isn’t going to happen, right Randy?
Tattorack@lemmy.world
on 20 May 20:01
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Per Wikipedia: In 2018, former Gearbox lawyer Wade Callender filed a lawsuit against Pitchford,[42] that alleged that Pitchford had left a USB drive containing sensitive Gearbox information and “child pornography” at a Medieval Times in 2014. Pitchford clarified that the pornographic film on the USB drive was not child pornography and stated that he had saved the pornography for the purposes of studying a sexual act performed by the female actress that he claimed to be similar to a “magic trick”. Gearbox said they would file a grievance with the State Bar of Texas against Callender for “filing a lawsuit that includes accusations that he knows to be untrue”. An August 2019 filing further alleged Pitchford and his employers of contempt. In October 2019, both sides announced that the lawsuit had been dropped, and a joint statement by the parties called the issue a misunderstanding, and further stated that Pitchford had been exonerated.
Per Wikipedia: In 2018, former Gearbox lawyer Wade Callender filed a lawsuit against Pitchford,[42] that alleged that Pitchford had left a USB drive containing sensitive Gearbox information and “child pornography” at a Medieval Times in 2014. Pitchford clarified that the pornographic film on the USB drive was not child pornography and stated that he had saved the pornography for the purposes of studying a sexual act performed by the female actress that he claimed to be similar to a “magic trick”. Gearbox said they would file a grievance with the State Bar of Texas against Callender for “filing a lawsuit that includes accusations that he knows to be untrue”. An August 2019 filing further alleged Pitchford and his employers of contempt. In October 2019, both sides announced that the lawsuit had been dropped, and a joint statement by the parties called the issue a misunderstanding, and further stated that Pitchford had been exonerated.
TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip
on 20 May 21:24
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The video game landscape is already filled to the brims with more games than I need to play for the rest of my life and you want me to hurry up to pay for a game as it comes out, to ditch out the full price when my computer would suffer for the lack of latest gen hardware when I could easily find a large amount of fantastic games for less than 10 bucks and comfortably max out their settings?
Like, the witcher 3 with all its DLC, a fantastic game which is 10 years old but got a free graphics upgrade and with all its DLC, worth hundreds of hours of gameplay and a memorable experience is less than 10 bucks, as we speak, both on steam and gog.
Most people already have more games than they have time to play. Patient gamer has never been more rewarding. We fall too often for the fear of missing out the experience and hype of a new launch…
I finished GTA 4 and 5 like a year ago, on my steam deck. I couldn’t care less if these games came out like 10 years ago. It gives me the flexibility to play them how I want to.
Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone
on 21 May 09:02
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100% agree. I no joke own about 900 games I haven’t played between steam (most bought when I was young and naive, probably bought like 10 games in the last 10 years now I know better), epic free games, and playstation plus monthly “free” games (not even counting the catalogue you now get access to), yes they’re technically not entirely free but I’d be paying for plus regardless so they kinda are.
Now as a lot of these games weren’t chosen by me, by no means do I want to play them all, and some are duplicates across platforms. But if even 10% interest me, that’s still 90 games. I probably play games at a rate slower than 1 per month. That’s years of games to me. And more will be stacking up in that time. I haven’t bought a game in like 3 years and it’s entirely possible I’ll never buy a game again at this rate.
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world
on 20 May 21:32
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Lol Randy actively taking the winds out of his own sails.
I hope he rots in piss.
leavemealone@sh.itjust.works
on 20 May 22:26
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Too much games to play on the market to justify the urgency to buy it at release for 80 bucks. they now compete with free to play, gamepass, Indy games, piracy, and tons of past games with lower cost.
The fomo of newly released games is low when most games are released in shitty state and need 1/2 months of patches/fixes and that’s not even taking in consideration that the best experience is when all the dlcs are released and make the game finally complete.
The AAA industry is fucked. In a world where quality games are released each weeks they are often but even the best way to have fun with our limited time, like tepid Ubisoft games…
Yeah I’m really starting to feel like we’re gonna see a lot of these companies shift from doing big AAA games to instead publishing small indie games. Almost all of these big companies have indie publishing arms now and as they start to see good profits from those without having to take on the cost of paying devs themselves I wouldn’t be surprised if they start cutting back on their own dev teams and shifting to that.
leavemealone@sh.itjust.works
on 21 May 20:03
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Honestly I am all for if it means that we get original games again from big studios, I can’t get hyped anymore for yet another sequel or remaster.
Honestly, in my opinion, there’s too many games to justify buying it at all. I enjoyed one and two when I was a kid, and there wasn’t competition for the genre. Three I think was free on Epic or something, so I played and it was fine, but not great. I don’t expect much from four, and there’s companies I’d actually like to support instead.
leavemealone@sh.itjust.works
on 21 May 19:58
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I can’t tell you exactly why, but as much as I played and replayed borderlands 1&2, the third one didn’t interest me at all, I can see that the recipe used the same ingredients but it just didn’t taste the same to contribute the metaphor. It just bored me and my wife during our coop campaign, and we didn’t have any desire to continue our playthrough. I hope they get it back with four but I don’t trust them enough anymore to buy it blindly anyway.
I don’t know if there’s even anything to get back. Is it that 3 was bad or is it just that Borderlands doesn’t interest us anymore? I honestly don’t know, but I think it’s at least partially the latter for me. I’ve played much better games since, and I don’t really find that formula appealing anymore. Almost everything it created has been used to make better products since, so is there even a reason to care about them anymore?
THAT Randy Pitchford?
The Randy Pitchford that, because he loves magic tricks, downloaded himself some squirt porn (sfw youtube link to moistcritical) on the same thumb drive as company secrets, and then left it at a Medieval Times?
The same Randy that grabbed the Claptrap VA by the junk because he was tired of voicing Claptrap for free and had the audacity to ask to be paid so Pitchford tried to intimidate him? The same Randy Pitchford that somehow “lost” millions dollars of Segas money causing Colonial marines to bomb so that they could fund Borderlands 2 and Duke Nukem Forever He’s also not above putting journalists who bad mouth him in his games as petty revenge.
I’m not gonna sit and tell a man he can’t have a kink preference in his own home on his own time.
But Jesus fuck on the company thumb drive? Bro is a ceo and cant afford a “personal folder” usb. Here $12 for a 128Gb one on Amazon is not uncommon And then to be so distracted he forgot it.
You’ve missed the part where that was actually something he said. Who cares about what the idiot’s exact kink, he had to save his honour telling people it wasn’t “really” porn.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world
on 22 May 05:54
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I hear he also collected child porn, citation needed.
Holy shit, I knew about the “magic trick” girl and thought he was a quirky funny man, but assaulting an artist to force them to work for free? What a fucking asshole
If I recall the feud correctly, Eddings previously worked on Claptrap as a favor for free (or next to it). As far as the back and forth on Twitter indicates, when he said he wanted “Id like to be paid this time”, Pitchford initially pushed back, and then offered “2x union rates” (whether Pitchford actually offered that or said it on twitter afterward to garner sympathy we may never know), but Eddings refused the offer since gearbox was (at the time) about to make its 3rd lootershooter in a monsterously successful chain and he was one of the most prominent side characters. Thats what triggered Pitchford to attempt to intimidate him in front of a hotel elevator.
Bro is a blight on Gearbox. And no one is sure how or why the board hasn’t gotten rid of him.
sturmblast@lemmy.world
on 20 May 23:52
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I don’t condone this, but we already had $60 games 10 years ago. If you simply add inflation you’d be at $81 today. That doesn’t even take into account that modern games also have larger budgets compared to back then.
Video games really are a cheap hobby comparatively speaking. I still wait for sales of course :)
Games have been surprisingly inflation resistant. I paid $70 for Playstation games in the 90s.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
on 21 May 03:12
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Games have also gotten massively cheaper due to distribute due to digital downloads being the most common, and they’re making way more sales due to gaming having a much larger audience.
The main reason these games have ridiculously inflated budgets are because execs are pushing for more management, which in turn push for oversized teams making design-by-committee out of fear of making something people don’t like. The gamin industry doesn’t get to make excuses anymore. Them being unable to reign in their development budgets aren’t our problem. They need to figure out how to offer games at a lower price, because they’re going to run out of customers willing to pay otherwise
Actually around half the budget of an AAA game is just marketing cost. Which feels wasteful, but if you need to recoup hundreds of millions it might be necessary.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 May 04:36
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That doesn’t even take into account that modern games also have larger budgets compared to back then.
It also doesn’t take into account how much more they make even at the lower price points
If game companies want more money for their games they can start by cutting the worthless CEOs, not raising prices
Actually around half the budget of an AAA game is just marketing cost. Which feels wasteful, but if you need to recoup hundreds of millions it might be necessary.
I guess me and my several thousand borderlands hours are not a real fan then? The games weren’t worth $80 even when they came with goodies. They’re not worth $80 without the goodies. I’ll just wait for a sale.
Borderlands isn’t that good, Randy. Is anyone that much of a fan of a genetic shooter who’s only distinguishing feature was the art style and the number of guns? (which I found got tiresome pretty quickly.) I played and enjoyed the first one, but from what I’ve played of 2 and the Pre-sequel, it was just more of the same so I haven’t bothered since.
I’ve been paying $80 the whole time! Now I have to pay even more!
Either way I won’t be buying Borderlands 4 for like $100 I can tell you that much.
Lootboblin@lemmy.world
on 21 May 09:09
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I got bored with Borderlands 3 in one hour. Copy pasta gameplay and I’m tired of the art style and humor. I only paid a fiver but I wish I had bought a burger instead.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
on 21 May 12:22
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I thought Borderlands was lots of fun, but not four games (for now) and a movie (for now) worth of fun. Even two games was pushing it a bit. You can only stretch things out so much.
neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 May 09:25
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I’m absolutely ready to pay 80$ for a game. But then I don’t want to see scummy shit like lootboxes or advanced access in it. If I pay 80$ I expect to see a game release that isn’t half-baked and has to get fixed with hotfixes and patches over the next two months but that just works out of the box and that doesn’t try to get me to spend even more money on it. That also includes no content that they’ve already produced being held back for DLCs.
This has always been my counterpoint for the Nintendo haters when they complain about price. (Although they are a shit company in several other ways) Because when my daughter wants a new switch game if its a top tier Nintendo title its going to be a finished game with zero bugs and zero concern about problematic content for me.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 21 May 15:00
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Exactly. That’s why I buy Nintendo games near release and am patient for PC games.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub
on 21 May 09:34
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Game development should not be a gig economy. It is often treated as such so studio execs can pocket more money by dropping staff at release to pad their own wallets. There are plenty of game companies, and millions of companies in other sectors, that reinvest that capital into the company.
But what about other forms of entertainment? Movies! Books! Music!
Royalties. This would be another solution.
Tagging @theneverfox@pawb.social because they might find the thought of royalties vs continued Dev interesting.
I do find it interesting…I don’t think it addresses the problem, but it sounds like a great idea
Realistically, how much are companies going to pay out in royalties? As little as they can get away with
Let’s say it’s 2% of a game that made $100M - you’re looking at tens of thousands each when it’s all split up. Which is great, maybe even life changing for some of them, but it’s not financial security kind of money
And then let’s say the game flops or gets cancelled… Well that’s not going to help much, so you can’t really rely on it
So I think the idea is great, but it’s still just fiddling with the knobs of capitalism
Drbreen@sh.itjust.works
on 21 May 11:01
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I’ve been a big Borderlands fan for 10+ years. I played through the first one multiple times and loved it. My wife and I bonded over BL1 when we first started dating.
Was super excited for BL2, and have played it many times throughout the years.
But the pre-sequel was a let down, and BL3 felt soulless and lacked the same spark as BL2.
Tiny Tina Wonderlands was great, and felt like a return to what made BL2 so fun.
All that to say, I don’t have high hopes for BL4, nor will I be paying $80 for it. It just feels like they’re coasting off the brand name at this point and trying to exploit longtime BL players like myself.
Not OP but Tales from the Borderlands 1 us my favorite of the telltale game collection and has some of my favorite music videos ever and wears its emotions on its sleeve for you to empathize with its characters in clever real ways.
I never played the Tales from Borderlands myself, but my wife did and she really enjoyed it. She said it added a lot to the story lore presented in BL2.
I did enjoy the Walking Dead telltale game along with the Wolf Among Us, though.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world
on 21 May 11:46
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It’s like they don’t understand how piracy works.
alexaralvarado@infosec.pub
on 21 May 12:28
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I’ve found a way to play every Borderlands game, 2 is my fave, and not pay more than 12 usd, for the 3rd one which I didn’t even get halfway through 'cause it’s boring AF - I love Steam sales and don’t have FOMO
JigglySackles@lemmy.world
on 21 May 12:32
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Guess I’m not a real fan. Fuck you Randy. He’s such a cunt.
While working on Borderlands 3, the team was severely underpaid. People started quitting, so Randy promised them an “unprecedented company profit-sharing bonus model.” That never got paid—he blamed “higher-than-anticipated development costs and sales not meeting projections.”
Borderlands 3 went GOTY, a few dozens millions copies sold. Randy secured a $12M executive bonus for himself.
When staff expressed dissatisfaction, Pitchford told them they were free to quit. This was in the middle of the pandemic, and the job market was absolute crap.
conditional_soup@lemm.ee
on 22 May 00:24
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If anyone deserves for his workers to get unionized, it’s this asshole
JigglySackles@lemmy.world
on 22 May 00:58
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I’ve not heard a single good thing about him. He’s just a toolbag through and through.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world
on 21 May 13:56
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mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 May 18:36
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Unfortunately, the real appeal of the Borderlands series is multiplayer. The games are alright in single player mode, but multiplayer is where it really shines. And cracked copies likely won’t work with multiplayer, because they use game servers for matchmaking.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
on 22 May 17:05
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IIRC all of the past ones have worked over LAN, including over a private VPN if you so desire. I definitely played pirated copies of 1 and 2 with my mates. I had no real desire to get very deep into 3 because the campaign storyline was so stupid, but I don’t doubt you could.
It’s only online matchmaking with randos that you’ll be blocked from, which if you ask me is not really that much of a detriment.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
on 22 May 02:05
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I’m actually OK with games costing a bit more to sell if they cost a lot to make; god knows, the devs deserve to get paid properly. But, one, that money won’t actually make it to the devs, and two, any time Randy Pitchford is for something it’s really hard not to automatically be against it, on the assumption that he’s so consistently wrong about everything, and just such an unbelievable piece of shit, that just assuming he’s in the wrong is the safest bet.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 22 May 06:02
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The devs are not seeing a penny over what it would cost to replace them with someone hungrier.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 22 May 05:59
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Fabrication costs have plummeted, while choice and competition in this space exoloded.
Financialization is what happenned to gaming and that’s why cultural successes are being leveraged at extortionate prices.
Borderlands 3 was boring ass slop too. BL4 is going to be a stinker.
How the fuck do you leave a USB stick full of child abuse material at a fucking Medieval Times and get away with it?
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
on 22 May 01:38
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Laws only apply to us poors.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 22 May 05:28
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Weinstein? Diddy? Epstein?
I think the more apt description would be that when you’re got something that makes other people money, then you will be protected. When that ends you’re fair game.
I also agree that the more money you have the better defence you can get, but I don’t believe laws only apply to the poor. That’s hyperbole.
The laws only apply to the poor except for exceptions where rich are on their way to poor and can be used as examples of the exception .
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 22 May 15:19
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I don’t believe that’s what I said, or at least it wasn’t my intention. I was more trying to highlight that wealthy people (which are not in the way to being poor) will be protected by the people that stand to gain from that protection, not simply for being rich.
I also explicitly said that the justice system does favour the rich, not in a malicious way but more because we have a system that means rich folk can afford more man hours which translates to a better defence.
I want to be clear I’m not defending rich folk here, just being a pedant I guess.
All three of those examples got away with it for literal decades.
Both Weinstein and Diddy were known dangers in their industry.
They took Epstein out because you know he had compromat on Trump. Best friends.
Or - the Cosby shit was an open secret. No one cared until Hannibal Buress started pointing it out.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 22 May 17:55
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All three of those examples got away with it for literal decades.
Literally what I’m saying. They got away with it because they had utility for other people and when they no longer did that’s when they get indicted, cause people stop running cover.
Also, let’s not forget the new EULA regarding shift accountsAlso, he made his 'fans" wait while bl3 was only available on the epic store.
Fuck this dude, I am done with the franchise.
Steam customers are out of the loop.
We could access the game through epic store, but it’s a separate account, and not everybody has/want one. Hence the wait to release on Steam.
For small indies it makes sense to publish on the pc epic game store a year earlier to get fundet for simply releasing the game there earlier.
A lot of smaller indies used that time as a kind of early access and got later super popular on steam, the main pc game store.
But for a big studio to do something like this is scummy
They already have a playerbase and a big budget
I dont even know if payment was involved but there is no other reason i can think of that explains this
I won’t be buying any game that costs $80 not when I have a mountain of games in my Steam Library, many of which are getting played thanks to the Steam Deck and if that’s not enough I have Game Pass too so why the hell would I even consider paying $80
finitebanjo@lemmy.world
on 22 May 05:51
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Listen, I unironically love being woke. Accessibility for impairments? Human rights? Equity? Regulations standing in the way of greed? Overrepresentation of minority demographics? Fuck yes to all of that shit. Hell’s Yeah.
But the direction of these games have been poor for a lot of reasons. It doesn’t feel woke, really, it feels like they want us to believe they aren’t Handsome Jack’s corporate studio goons like they are.
I can barely justify 50€ for a massive game like Baldur’s Gate 3. I’d never pay that much for any other game that is not on this scale. But 80 bucks? The fuck are they thinking?
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
on 22 May 06:22
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Real fan?
Bitch please. We’ve put up with your crap for so long and we still play it…
Get out of here with that horse shit. Get fucked. Fuck you, and the horse you rode in on. At best, I’ll wait for a sale, at worst, I’m never playing your goddamned franchise again because you’ve run it into the ground with enshittification.
Yeah, Randy, I find a way to make it happen, it’s called Xbox sale. That’s how I bought Borderlands 3. Which I haven’t played yet. And don’t get me wrong, Randy, Borderlands 2 is one of the most fun games I’ve played, I’m definitely a real fan! I’m definitely a video game enthusiast, I have a ginormous backlog on both Xbox and Steam.
Since I didn’t enjoy the handsome collection I wouldn’t buy it at any price, but even for games I do enjoy I wait until they are on sale preferably with the DLCs included
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 May 12:27
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Dead Island 2 is free on Epic currently, and probably more fun than Borderlands 4; BL 3 wasn’t written well, and i assume the same for BL 4. A shame, BL2 is one of my most played FPS
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
on 22 May 13:19
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I bought the full collection last year for like $50. $20 for the first three and all DLC, and like $30 for the complete Borderlands 3 (I had gotten the other ones so decided to just get the full series).
Then I actually went and got Wonderlands and had an actual blast playing it.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
on 22 May 14:56
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Im always thrown off as a Canadian when I see these headlines because we’ve been paying $80 for games for decades.
Video games haven’t risen in cost with inflation and they’re much better and bigger now so I’m not super upset, but they are now at the point where I won’t buy a game at release or full price. I think the new price here is $93 cause that’s what the new Indiana jones is going for
What I hate most is that the game actually costs $150 and they split it and give you a stripped version for $80. I think gta 4 was the last game i truly felt made sense, game releases, we buy it, story dlc comes out later we get it, transaction over. No online bullshit that tries to keep you paying money into the game without end. Not a game split into little chunks and sold as tiers at release
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
on 22 May 15:59
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Video games haven’t risen in cost with inflation and they’re much better and bigger now
No one is asking them to grow x50 for every successful game they sell. Sure they have more expenses but how is it in any way relevant to the consumer? There’s no shortage of studios increasing budget massively and then shitting the bed when it comes to quality and actual gameplay. They are literally doing that to themselves.
Idk. I think gamers are overly upset about $80 games. While I am sympathetic to not wanting the price to go up, the fact of the matter is that brand new video games cost pretty much the same as they did 30 years ago, while the cost of everything else has basically doubled in that time. I know it’s probably not what is going to happen but if $80 video games are what it takes to get us away from shitty microtransactions in full price games, then I’m all for it. I know the crowd on Lemmy will just say they should make less profit and do neither but that’s just not how the world works right now and nobody is going to do that.
Food for thought- here are some prices in 1996 and today
New video game: 1996- $67 (Super Mario 64), 2025- $70
McDonald’s Big Mac meal: 1996- $2.45, 2025-$9.29
Base package Honda Civic: 1996- $10,360, 2025-$24,250
Average apartment - 1996- $550/mo, 2025- $1,540/mo
Median annual income- 1996- $20,109, 2025- $50,200
Doesn’t one of these stand out?
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
on 22 May 19:32
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And let’s take this outside of the myopic view of only looking at inflation.
You forget that in 1996 the gaming pool was also magnitudes smaller compared to today and despite all of the whining about increased development costs, which I also think is bullshit but that’s a different conversation, profits have increased to keep up.
So my opinion, no there’s absolutely no justification for a 80 dollar price point when you look at the over all picture.
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Like waiting 6 months for them to panic over low sales and put on 50% sale?
Maybe, or maybe I’ll wait for the ultimate edition with all dlc to hit $40
Or get it second-hand off G2A or CDKeys.
I’m never paying $80 for a video game.
I wouldn’t advise using those services, myself. Lots of sketchy stuff. Legit copies of digital games go on sale often enough.
piracy is preferable over buying a key off of greymarket sites like this tbh
I honestly think it will sell a lot because most gamers won’t be able to control themselves.
Or perhaps even find it to be worth the price.
What does a 12 year old care about $80? They ain’t spending that. Their parents are.
When $40 is half price, I will generally pass as if it were $80. There is a glut of amazing content out there for $40 or less, and much of it is truly inspired indie work. When your half-price game is competing with great full-price indie titles, I will continue to ignore your overpriced corporate muck.
I mean 50% off and still being $40 still sounds like a terrible deal
Right? I didn’t realize how disinterested I was in Borderlands until I read that.
I got Borderlands 3 about a year after release for less than 5€, I can wait.
Borderlands 3 is in a free giveaway after a year or so on Epic Games. The sales must be abysmal to give a flagship franchise away for free, because of Randy being a bitch and insist exclusive is good. This will hopefully bite them back like last time.
I’m not a huge fan of Borderlands. I like the stories. But I don’t like the loot goblining. Constant hunt for ever higher damage numbers.
There’s only 1 company I’ll pay $80 for a new game. And that is Ryu Ga Gotoku. Cuz they don’t miss. No bad half finished launches. No bad games. Every game is a masterclass in Peak. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/059cd97f-4592-4f6e-a60a-8a7dda816dff.jpeg">
I’m the opposite, I don’t give a monkeys about the story but I like the loot goblining.
That said a borderlands came on the gamepass the other week and I was so excited to lure my boy into co-op with me for the first time in ages. It wouldn’t stop crashing. I googled it to see if they were aware and all I could find was the company sucking it’s own dick about having already released the final patch to stop it crashing so many times. I wouldn’t say I’m thrilled about the idea of dropping $80 on a day one release.
I’m a Loot Goblin that spacebars through the story too, but Borderlands hasn’t been able to scratch that itch in a long time.
The last one I played was Tina’s Wonderland and everything about it was a slog. I didn’t care about any of the loot or any of the fights and I definitely didn’t care about the story.
Can you recommend me a starting point? For someone who has no experience with these games, or any Japanese games besides Soulsgames and RE4 remake.
Feel free to roast me in the process.
Yakuza 0, kiwami, kiwami 2, Yakuza 3, 4, 5, 6, then 7, then Gaiden, then 8.
Then play Judgement and Lost Judgement. Not part of Yakuza’s core canon. But adjacent.
This is the way.
I’ll add Factorio to the list of games that deserve the $80 tag. $40 for base, $40 for Space Age expansion. Or don’t get Space Age and go with the mod that spawned Space Age (although not exactly the same).
I get it’s a bit of a niche genre, though. The factory thing the way Factorio does it isn’t for everybody.
I personally prefer mindustry
I honestly don’t know how people play this game. Every 12 seconds coming across new gear. Can’t do it.
It didn’t used to be like that and they actually mentioned in the deep dive that they’re getting back to the way it was before. Like the point of the game is loot goblining, but they’ve promised not to inundate the player with legendary weapons every twelve seconds so that you actually have time to savor the weapons you get between good drops.
It’s not like I need to do the math to figure out which gun is better and why. Find something with green arrows? Hold E to equip it immediately. If I use it for a bit and dislike it I’ll just swap back to what I was using before and mark it as junk so I sell it next time I buy ammo or fill my inventory.
It’s a combination of a huge variety of attributes and an endless supply. I just get anxiety about walking past a super powerful weapon or dropping it in exchange for something else without realizing it.
If it ain’t a purple I can basically guarantee it’s shit. Just keep the rarity order in mind, and you can generally assume anything that’s less rare than what you have is also worse. One of the load screens in BL1 or BL2 said When Grandma Burps Patrick Obeys- White, Green, Blue, Purple, Orange. Got absolutely burnt into my brain.
But hey, if it’s stressful fair enough. I think they’re fun games, but nothing is for everyone.
BL2 had unique blues which were OP.
Ah, that’s true! Anything with flavor text- red text in the description- is an exception to the normal rarities.
TIL a lot of people aren’t real fans.
Lmao guess I’m not a real fan then!
Guess we all know what we have to do
Arr, matey
I am not a reaI fan ?.I am ok with being a “hypothetical” fan and buying it later at a reasonable price
Randy’s a twat. I’ll pick that shit up for $20 next Christmas
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I’m really bad about buying new games at launch where I like the franchise and getting burned (looking at you bf2042).
However with all of the stupid politics, tariffs, and recession coming in the US, I’m sure the hell not buying this at $80, even if I’m a long term borderlands fan. I have way too many games in my library I should be playing/finishing anyway.
I hope others speak with their wallets as well.
I was excited for borderlands. Now I’ll wait for them to make it 70% off
Shut up. Dingus.
Hi Randy, fuck off lol
Yeah, no.
If you’re a real fan, Randy, you find a way not to fuck up the franchise, but so far after Borderlands 2 you managed to deliver us disappointment after disappointment. So fuck off, I’ll pirate 4 to play it for 3 to 4 hours after which I’ll delete is because it sucks as expected. If I manage to reach 40 hours of gameplay, which is 2 euros per hour, I’ll buy your game. But we both know this isn’t going to happen, right Randy?
I’m OK with not being a “real fan”.
They never fixed the bugs in Borderlands 3. Let me rush out and get this
Well guess I ain’t a massive fan then. Shame
SUS USB Randy Pitchford?
Likely pedophile Randy Pitchford.
I found a way already, it’s called patience. Works well for basically any non nintendo game.
You can still (for the moment) be patient with Nintendo games if you’re OK buying second hand
I solved that by moving to pc and forgetting about Nintendo’s existence.
Or just pirate and emulate Nintendo games. They’re such scumbags that they make piracy morally correct
The real answer should've been "the fuck you want, you're willing to pay the same for a Switch game.."
Not a fan. Borderlands 3 made it happen.
Yarrow. Matey. Captains orders are to take to the high seas!!!
mm yes gatekeeping and money shaming, that’ll convince them.
That’s what he thinks.
My game backlog has reached mars so I am in no hurry. Still havent even started tiny tina’s wonderlands.
I will never buy the game out of spite
If Randy Pitchford was a real CEO he would find a way to make $60 games
He’s too busy collecting child porn to bother with running his business.
Uh, source? It seems like if this were true he’d be in cuffs.
Per Wikipedia: In 2018, former Gearbox lawyer Wade Callender filed a lawsuit against Pitchford,[42] that alleged that Pitchford had left a USB drive containing sensitive Gearbox information and “child pornography” at a Medieval Times in 2014. Pitchford clarified that the pornographic film on the USB drive was not child pornography and stated that he had saved the pornography for the purposes of studying a sexual act performed by the female actress that he claimed to be similar to a “magic trick”. Gearbox said they would file a grievance with the State Bar of Texas against Callender for “filing a lawsuit that includes accusations that he knows to be untrue”. An August 2019 filing further alleged Pitchford and his employers of contempt. In October 2019, both sides announced that the lawsuit had been dropped, and a joint statement by the parties called the issue a misunderstanding, and further stated that Pitchford had been exonerated.
What?
Per Wikipedia: In 2018, former Gearbox lawyer Wade Callender filed a lawsuit against Pitchford,[42] that alleged that Pitchford had left a USB drive containing sensitive Gearbox information and “child pornography” at a Medieval Times in 2014. Pitchford clarified that the pornographic film on the USB drive was not child pornography and stated that he had saved the pornography for the purposes of studying a sexual act performed by the female actress that he claimed to be similar to a “magic trick”. Gearbox said they would file a grievance with the State Bar of Texas against Callender for “filing a lawsuit that includes accusations that he knows to be untrue”. An August 2019 filing further alleged Pitchford and his employers of contempt. In October 2019, both sides announced that the lawsuit had been dropped, and a joint statement by the parties called the issue a misunderstanding, and further stated that Pitchford had been exonerated.
Looks like fitgirl will be getting my business instead
Found a way!
The video game landscape is already filled to the brims with more games than I need to play for the rest of my life and you want me to hurry up to pay for a game as it comes out, to ditch out the full price when my computer would suffer for the lack of latest gen hardware when I could easily find a large amount of fantastic games for less than 10 bucks and comfortably max out their settings?
Like, the witcher 3 with all its DLC, a fantastic game which is 10 years old but got a free graphics upgrade and with all its DLC, worth hundreds of hours of gameplay and a memorable experience is less than 10 bucks, as we speak, both on steam and gog.
Most people already have more games than they have time to play. Patient gamer has never been more rewarding. We fall too often for the fear of missing out the experience and hype of a new launch…
I finished GTA 4 and 5 like a year ago, on my steam deck. I couldn’t care less if these games came out like 10 years ago. It gives me the flexibility to play them how I want to.
100% agree. I no joke own about 900 games I haven’t played between steam (most bought when I was young and naive, probably bought like 10 games in the last 10 years now I know better), epic free games, and playstation plus monthly “free” games (not even counting the catalogue you now get access to), yes they’re technically not entirely free but I’d be paying for plus regardless so they kinda are.
Now as a lot of these games weren’t chosen by me, by no means do I want to play them all, and some are duplicates across platforms. But if even 10% interest me, that’s still 90 games. I probably play games at a rate slower than 1 per month. That’s years of games to me. And more will be stacking up in that time. I haven’t bought a game in like 3 years and it’s entirely possible I’ll never buy a game again at this rate.
Lol Randy actively taking the winds out of his own sails.
I hope he rots in piss.
Too much games to play on the market to justify the urgency to buy it at release for 80 bucks. they now compete with free to play, gamepass, Indy games, piracy, and tons of past games with lower cost.
The fomo of newly released games is low when most games are released in shitty state and need 1/2 months of patches/fixes and that’s not even taking in consideration that the best experience is when all the dlcs are released and make the game finally complete.
The AAA industry is fucked. In a world where quality games are released each weeks they are often but even the best way to have fun with our limited time, like tepid Ubisoft games…
Yeah I’m really starting to feel like we’re gonna see a lot of these companies shift from doing big AAA games to instead publishing small indie games. Almost all of these big companies have indie publishing arms now and as they start to see good profits from those without having to take on the cost of paying devs themselves I wouldn’t be surprised if they start cutting back on their own dev teams and shifting to that.
Honestly I am all for if it means that we get original games again from big studios, I can’t get hyped anymore for yet another sequel or remaster.
Honestly, in my opinion, there’s too many games to justify buying it at all. I enjoyed one and two when I was a kid, and there wasn’t competition for the genre. Three I think was free on Epic or something, so I played and it was fine, but not great. I don’t expect much from four, and there’s companies I’d actually like to support instead.
I can’t tell you exactly why, but as much as I played and replayed borderlands 1&2, the third one didn’t interest me at all, I can see that the recipe used the same ingredients but it just didn’t taste the same to contribute the metaphor. It just bored me and my wife during our coop campaign, and we didn’t have any desire to continue our playthrough. I hope they get it back with four but I don’t trust them enough anymore to buy it blindly anyway.
I don’t know if there’s even anything to get back. Is it that 3 was bad or is it just that Borderlands doesn’t interest us anymore? I honestly don’t know, but I think it’s at least partially the latter for me. I’ve played much better games since, and I don’t really find that formula appealing anymore. Almost everything it created has been used to make better products since, so is there even a reason to care about them anymore?
I can make it happen? Okeydokey! 🏴☠️
Randy pitchford?
THAT Randy Pitchford? The Randy Pitchford that, because he loves magic tricks, downloaded himself some squirt porn (sfw youtube link to moistcritical) on the same thumb drive as company secrets, and then left it at a Medieval Times? The same Randy that grabbed the Claptrap VA by the junk because he was tired of voicing Claptrap for free and had the audacity to ask to be paid so Pitchford tried to intimidate him? The same Randy Pitchford that somehow “lost” millions dollars of Segas money causing Colonial marines to bomb so that they could fund Borderlands 2 and Duke Nukem Forever He’s also not above putting journalists who bad mouth him in his games as petty revenge.
Fuck that guy. Fuck anything he says.
No, no, you don’t understand, the girl was doing a magic trick! He only consumed that just barely legal content with professional interest in mind.
I’m not gonna sit and tell a man he can’t have a kink preference in his own home on his own time.
But Jesus fuck on the company thumb drive? Bro is a ceo and cant afford a “personal folder” usb. Here $12 for a 128Gb one on Amazon is not uncommon And then to be so distracted he forgot it.
You’ve missed the part where that was actually something he said. Who cares about what the idiot’s exact kink, he had to save his honour telling people it wasn’t “really” porn.
I hear he also collected child porn, citation needed.
Holy shit, I knew about the “magic trick” girl and thought he was a quirky funny man, but assaulting an artist to force them to work for free? What a fucking asshole
If I recall the feud correctly, Eddings previously worked on Claptrap as a favor for free (or next to it). As far as the back and forth on Twitter indicates, when he said he wanted “Id like to be paid this time”, Pitchford initially pushed back, and then offered “2x union rates” (whether Pitchford actually offered that or said it on twitter afterward to garner sympathy we may never know), but Eddings refused the offer since gearbox was (at the time) about to make its 3rd lootershooter in a monsterously successful chain and he was one of the most prominent side characters. Thats what triggered Pitchford to attempt to intimidate him in front of a hotel elevator.
Bro is a blight on Gearbox. And no one is sure how or why the board hasn’t gotten rid of him.
Or we’ll boycott you shit ass companies
I’m a huge borderlands fan. I will not be buying this for $80 lol.
I don’t condone this, but we already had $60 games 10 years ago. If you simply add inflation you’d be at $81 today. That doesn’t even take into account that modern games also have larger budgets compared to back then.
Video games really are a cheap hobby comparatively speaking. I still wait for sales of course :)
Games have been surprisingly inflation resistant. I paid $70 for Playstation games in the 90s.
Games have also gotten massively cheaper due to distribute due to digital downloads being the most common, and they’re making way more sales due to gaming having a much larger audience.
The main reason these games have ridiculously inflated budgets are because execs are pushing for more management, which in turn push for oversized teams making design-by-committee out of fear of making something people don’t like. The gamin industry doesn’t get to make excuses anymore. Them being unable to reign in their development budgets aren’t our problem. They need to figure out how to offer games at a lower price, because they’re going to run out of customers willing to pay otherwise
Actually around half the budget of an AAA game is just marketing cost. Which feels wasteful, but if you need to recoup hundreds of millions it might be necessary.
It also doesn’t take into account how much more they make even at the lower price points
If game companies want more money for their games they can start by cutting the worthless CEOs, not raising prices
Actually around half the budget of an AAA game is just marketing cost. Which feels wasteful, but if you need to recoup hundreds of millions it might be necessary.
I can make it happen during a Steam summer sale 4 years later. Borderlands 3 wasn’t that great when you compare it to 1 and 2. I can wait.
I got Borderlands 3 free on Epic Games, and it still sit there not being played. Guess it’s time to leave this franchise for good.
Suck my cock pitchford. Hope the game bombs as bad as the movie fuckwad.
Stop buying Gearbox slop. Jesus fucking christ people. Why are they still getting a free pass for being objectively shitty developers?
Tbh, most AAA games are ass nowadays
I guess me and my several thousand borderlands hours are not a real fan then? The games weren’t worth $80 even when they came with goodies. They’re not worth $80 without the goodies. I’ll just wait for a sale.
I’ll just leave this skull and bones flag right here FOR NO REAL REASON!!!
Real fans “Find a Way” Yarr.
You’d think he’d be better media trained by now. But no, here goes the foot in the mouth.
He got the horrible Hand, Foot in Mouth Disease.
Nothing has stopped him so far, including assaulting the VA of their most well known character
Borderlands 3 was the first game I didnt even bother finishing, just super boring lol
Borderlands isn’t that good, Randy. Is anyone that much of a fan of a genetic shooter who’s only distinguishing feature was the art style and the number of guns? (which I found got tiresome pretty quickly.) I played and enjoyed the first one, but from what I’ve played of 2 and the Pre-sequel, it was just more of the same so I haven’t bothered since.
More like 80 plus gamers not supporting the NintenoDONT greed trend.
Aw, he’s telling people to pirate it. What a thoughtful guy.
You wouldn’t download a shit to give.
That’s legitimately how I read what he was saying at first.
Yeah, the way to make it happen is adding it to my wishlist and waiting for the price to drop to at least $40.
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Didn’t pre-order PS, 3, or any of the others, why would we for this one?
Especially with Bl3 getting their eula updated to be horrible
Imagine preordering a game in 2025.
Yeah, I’ll fucking pirate it LMAO
Can’t wait to play it…in 2035 summer sale. Maybe I’ll even get bored in under 2 hours and get the instant refund.
Randy actually needs to see this. It’s reality.
Well, new Doom is 90€ I aint buying that garbage. 80+ € or bucks for a AAA always online slop is just a NO.
I didn’t want borderlands even when it was cheaper.
Guess I’m not a real fan 🤷♂️
Weeps in Canadian
I’ve been paying $80 the whole time! Now I have to pay even more!
Either way I won’t be buying Borderlands 4 for like $100 I can tell you that much.
I got bored with Borderlands 3 in one hour. Copy pasta gameplay and I’m tired of the art style and humor. I only paid a fiver but I wish I had bought a burger instead.
I thought Borderlands was lots of fun, but not four games (for now) and a movie (for now) worth of fun. Even two games was pushing it a bit. You can only stretch things out so much.
I’m absolutely ready to pay 80$ for a game. But then I don’t want to see scummy shit like lootboxes or advanced access in it. If I pay 80$ I expect to see a game release that isn’t half-baked and has to get fixed with hotfixes and patches over the next two months but that just works out of the box and that doesn’t try to get me to spend even more money on it. That also includes no content that they’ve already produced being held back for DLCs.
This has always been my counterpoint for the Nintendo haters when they complain about price. (Although they are a shit company in several other ways) Because when my daughter wants a new switch game if its a top tier Nintendo title its going to be a finished game with zero bugs and zero concern about problematic content for me.
Exactly. That’s why I buy Nintendo games near release and am patient for PC games.
yawn
I feel like if it drops that much in one year, it’s probably a pretty shit game anyway right?
If it being Borderlands 4 wasn’t enough of a tip considering the stellar writing we had on pre-sequel and 3.
TIL real Borderlands fans are pirates.
They become pirates if necessary.
Give us guaranteed emploment of the staff that built it, and you get guaranteed pre orders?
Wait, how do you guarantee employment to a team after their work and contract is complete?
You say what project they’ll be transitioning to as less and less bug fixes are necessary. Could even be dlc
Game development should not be a gig economy. It is often treated as such so studio execs can pocket more money by dropping staff at release to pad their own wallets. There are plenty of game companies, and millions of companies in other sectors, that reinvest that capital into the company.
But what about other forms of entertainment? Movies! Books! Music!
Royalties. This would be another solution.
Tagging @theneverfox@pawb.social because they might find the thought of royalties vs continued Dev interesting.
I do find it interesting…I don’t think it addresses the problem, but it sounds like a great idea
Realistically, how much are companies going to pay out in royalties? As little as they can get away with
Let’s say it’s 2% of a game that made $100M - you’re looking at tens of thousands each when it’s all split up. Which is great, maybe even life changing for some of them, but it’s not financial security kind of money
And then let’s say the game flops or gets cancelled… Well that’s not going to help much, so you can’t really rely on it
So I think the idea is great, but it’s still just fiddling with the knobs of capitalism
Oh I’ll find a way alright.
I’ve been a big Borderlands fan for 10+ years. I played through the first one multiple times and loved it. My wife and I bonded over BL1 when we first started dating.
Was super excited for BL2, and have played it many times throughout the years.
But the pre-sequel was a let down, and BL3 felt soulless and lacked the same spark as BL2.
Tiny Tina Wonderlands was great, and felt like a return to what made BL2 so fun.
All that to say, I don’t have high hopes for BL4, nor will I be paying $80 for it. It just feels like they’re coasting off the brand name at this point and trying to exploit longtime BL players like myself.
What’s your take on the telltale game?
Not OP but Tales from the Borderlands 1 us my favorite of the telltale game collection and has some of my favorite music videos ever and wears its emotions on its sleeve for you to empathize with its characters in clever real ways.
I never played the Tales from Borderlands myself, but my wife did and she really enjoyed it. She said it added a lot to the story lore presented in BL2.
I did enjoy the Walking Dead telltale game along with the Wolf Among Us, though.
It’s like they don’t understand how piracy works.
I’ve found a way to play every Borderlands game, 2 is my fave, and not pay more than 12 usd, for the 3rd one which I didn’t even get halfway through 'cause it’s boring AF - I love Steam sales and don’t have FOMO
Guess I’m not a real fan. Fuck you Randy. He’s such a cunt.
While working on Borderlands 3, the team was severely underpaid. People started quitting, so Randy promised them an “unprecedented company profit-sharing bonus model.” That never got paid—he blamed “higher-than-anticipated development costs and sales not meeting projections.” Borderlands 3 went GOTY, a few dozens millions copies sold. Randy secured a $12M executive bonus for himself. When staff expressed dissatisfaction, Pitchford told them they were free to quit. This was in the middle of the pandemic, and the job market was absolute crap.
mcvuk.com/…/borderlands-3-developer-gearbox-accus…
If anyone deserves for his workers to get unionized, it’s this asshole
I’ve not heard a single good thing about him. He’s just a toolbag through and through.
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Unfortunately, the real appeal of the Borderlands series is multiplayer. The games are alright in single player mode, but multiplayer is where it really shines. And cracked copies likely won’t work with multiplayer, because they use game servers for matchmaking.
IIRC all of the past ones have worked over LAN, including over a private VPN if you so desire. I definitely played pirated copies of 1 and 2 with my mates. I had no real desire to get very deep into 3 because the campaign storyline was so stupid, but I don’t doubt you could.
It’s only online matchmaking with randos that you’ll be blocked from, which if you ask me is not really that much of a detriment.
Theseus’ ship? Borderlands 4 is just the projectfile of borderlands 2 with every part replaced? 😱
Would be better than 3
Arrrrrr!
I agree, but when you wouldn’t let Aspyr do a Linux port for BL3, I stopped being a “real fan”.
And my way is, wait a few years for the deluxe edition to come out on sale.
Shit, I waited until BL3 was free on PSN, and I’ll get around to it someday.
I knew Randy would fuck up the game somehow.
Seriously, why do they let him talk? The man is a walking PR disaster.
Then again, we should all be asking how the hell he’s not in jail for possession of child porn, so I guess this is a pretty minor thing in comparison.
In today’s dollars, my local video game store in 1991 was selling Wizardry for the NES for $141.
Fuck, the average AAA Atari 2600 game was $99 in today’s dollars. Games like Pitfall and Pac-Man.
Just some perspective. I’m going to go yell at a cloud or something, now.
Atari 2600 Pac Man is shit lol
Yet I played it so much I can hear it in my head right now.
bunk bunk ba-bunk bunk! Koik-doik! Koik-doik!
I’m actually OK with games costing a bit more to sell if they cost a lot to make; god knows, the devs deserve to get paid properly. But, one, that money won’t actually make it to the devs, and two, any time Randy Pitchford is for something it’s really hard not to automatically be against it, on the assumption that he’s so consistently wrong about everything, and just such an unbelievable piece of shit, that just assuming he’s in the wrong is the safest bet.
The devs are not seeing a penny over what it would cost to replace them with someone hungrier.
Fabrication costs have plummeted, while choice and competition in this space exoloded.
Financialization is what happenned to gaming and that’s why cultural successes are being leveraged at extortionate prices.
Borderlands 3 was boring ass slop too. BL4 is going to be a stinker.
Nope, just would play Tiny Tina’s Wonderland again honestly, which I got for around $10 when it was heavily on sale a year ago.
Remember how Randy Pitchford funneled money that was supposed to go to Aliens: Colonial Marines into Borderlands 2 (and Duke Nukem Forever lol)
How the fuck do you leave a USB stick full of child abuse material at a fucking Medieval Times and get away with it?
Laws only apply to us poors.
Weinstein? Diddy? Epstein?
I think the more apt description would be that when you’re got something that makes other people money, then you will be protected. When that ends you’re fair game.
I also agree that the more money you have the better defence you can get, but I don’t believe laws only apply to the poor. That’s hyperbole.
So the logic is…
The laws only apply to the poor except for exceptions where rich are on their way to poor and can be used as examples of the exception .
I don’t believe that’s what I said, or at least it wasn’t my intention. I was more trying to highlight that wealthy people (which are not in the way to being poor) will be protected by the people that stand to gain from that protection, not simply for being rich.
I also explicitly said that the justice system does favour the rich, not in a malicious way but more because we have a system that means rich folk can afford more man hours which translates to a better defence.
I want to be clear I’m not defending rich folk here, just being a pedant I guess.
Ah yeah we are all pedants here and such while I understand and mostly agree with your comment I now must include.
Uhh, actually we don’t have a justice system, we have a legal system.
Haha how dare you out pedant me.
All three of those examples got away with it for literal decades.
Both Weinstein and Diddy were known dangers in their industry.
They took Epstein out because you know he had compromat on Trump. Best friends.
Or - the Cosby shit was an open secret. No one cared until Hannibal Buress started pointing it out.
Literally what I’m saying. They got away with it because they had utility for other people and when they no longer did that’s when they get indicted, cause people stop running cover.
Also, let’s not forget the new EULA regarding shift accountsAlso, he made his 'fans" wait while bl3 was only available on the epic store. Fuck this dude, I am done with the franchise.
How is the game being available make people wait? Did PC get the release before consoles?
Steam customers are out of the loop. We could access the game through epic store, but it’s a separate account, and not everybody has/want one. Hence the wait to release on Steam.
So he didn’t make anyone wait, some people just chose to
For small indies it makes sense to publish on the pc epic game store a year earlier to get fundet for simply releasing the game there earlier.
A lot of smaller indies used that time as a kind of early access and got later super popular on steam, the main pc game store.
But for a big studio to do something like this is scummy
They already have a playerbase and a big budget
I dont even know if payment was involved but there is no other reason i can think of that explains this
I won’t be buying any game that costs $80 not when I have a mountain of games in my Steam Library, many of which are getting played thanks to the Steam Deck and if that’s not enough I have Game Pass too so why the hell would I even consider paying $80
Listen, I unironically love being woke. Accessibility for impairments? Human rights? Equity? Regulations standing in the way of greed? Overrepresentation of minority demographics? Fuck yes to all of that shit. Hell’s Yeah.
But the direction of these games have been poor for a lot of reasons. It doesn’t feel woke, really, it feels like they want us to believe they aren’t Handsome Jack’s corporate studio goons like they are.
I can barely justify 50€ for a massive game like Baldur’s Gate 3. I’d never pay that much for any other game that is not on this scale. But 80 bucks? The fuck are they thinking?
They don’t have any dlc lined up yet so not being to sell you empty promises on top of a normal game price is really tugging at Randy’s purse strings.
/s
Find a way?
Piracy is a way. Thanks for the tip.
Real fan?
Bitch please. We’ve put up with your crap for so long and we still play it…
Get out of here with that horse shit. Get fucked. Fuck you, and the horse you rode in on. At best, I’ll wait for a sale, at worst, I’m never playing your goddamned franchise again because you’ve run it into the ground with enshittification.
Yeah, Randy, I find a way to make it happen, it’s called Xbox sale. That’s how I bought Borderlands 3. Which I haven’t played yet. And don’t get me wrong, Randy, Borderlands 2 is one of the most fun games I’ve played, I’m definitely a real fan! I’m definitely a video game enthusiast, I have a ginormous backlog on both Xbox and Steam.
I’ve found a way.
Randy Pitchfork?
I will illegally download an illegal version of the game, thanks bye
Yarrrrr
The trailer for the new borderlands looked like the most soulless, boring cash grab. Anyone put much time into it yet?
Since I didn’t enjoy the handsome collection I wouldn’t buy it at any price, but even for games I do enjoy I wait until they are on sale preferably with the DLCs included
Dead Island 2 is free on Epic currently, and probably more fun than Borderlands 4; BL 3 wasn’t written well, and i assume the same for BL 4. A shame, BL2 is one of my most played FPS
To quote LazyTown: Yar har, fiddle de dee…
Sail the high sea! 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Just started expedition 33. Omg. So so good!
Point is… I’ll play something else.
Listen here, just wait for Menace to release (By Overhype studios) now that’s a proper turn-based game
Yarrr Matey, they’ll find a way.
ugh. i wont even pirate it. gross
I didn’t pay anywhere near $80 for Borderlands 1-3+ all the DLC…. So um. No. I’m in no hurry.
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This isn’t all the games but it goes on for like another 2 screens worth for all the DLC…
I bought the full collection last year for like $50. $20 for the first three and all DLC, and like $30 for the complete Borderlands 3 (I had gotten the other ones so decided to just get the full series).
Then I actually went and got Wonderlands and had an actual blast playing it.
Im always thrown off as a Canadian when I see these headlines because we’ve been paying $80 for games for decades.
Video games haven’t risen in cost with inflation and they’re much better and bigger now so I’m not super upset, but they are now at the point where I won’t buy a game at release or full price. I think the new price here is $93 cause that’s what the new Indiana jones is going for
What I hate most is that the game actually costs $150 and they split it and give you a stripped version for $80. I think gta 4 was the last game i truly felt made sense, game releases, we buy it, story dlc comes out later we get it, transaction over. No online bullshit that tries to keep you paying money into the game without end. Not a game split into little chunks and sold as tiers at release
I agree with the bigger, but not better tbh
No one is asking them to grow x50 for every successful game they sell. Sure they have more expenses but how is it in any way relevant to the consumer? There’s no shortage of studios increasing budget massively and then shitting the bed when it comes to quality and actual gameplay. They are literally doing that to themselves.
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If I was a real fan.
Nah na na na na na na na na
Thank you Gwen Stefani for saying all the na’s for me.
Fuck you, I’m not paying $80 for a game so an executive can get a new Porsche.
Or wait the number of years it takes to be on sale for $20.
Pitchford gives off some strong “do you guys not have phones” energy. He’s so out of touch it’s astounding.
Idk. I think gamers are overly upset about $80 games. While I am sympathetic to not wanting the price to go up, the fact of the matter is that brand new video games cost pretty much the same as they did 30 years ago, while the cost of everything else has basically doubled in that time. I know it’s probably not what is going to happen but if $80 video games are what it takes to get us away from shitty microtransactions in full price games, then I’m all for it. I know the crowd on Lemmy will just say they should make less profit and do neither but that’s just not how the world works right now and nobody is going to do that.
Food for thought- here are some prices in 1996 and today
New video game: 1996- $67 (Super Mario 64), 2025- $70
McDonald’s Big Mac meal: 1996- $2.45, 2025-$9.29
Base package Honda Civic: 1996- $10,360, 2025-$24,250
Average apartment - 1996- $550/mo, 2025- $1,540/mo
Median annual income- 1996- $20,109, 2025- $50,200
Doesn’t one of these stand out?
And let’s take this outside of the myopic view of only looking at inflation.
visualcapitalist.com/video-game-industry-revenues…
Console gaming revenue: 1996 - 7 billion, 2022 - 30 billion
Let’s look at specifically Nintendo here since we’re talking about Super Mario 64
www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2001/011121e.pdf
2001, 664 million in profit, adjusted for inflation in 2022 dollars, 1 billion.
www.tweaktown.com/news/84668/…/index.html
2022, 1.7 billion dollars in profit.
You forget that in 1996 the gaming pool was also magnitudes smaller compared to today and despite all of the whining about increased development costs, which I also think is bullshit but that’s a different conversation, profits have increased to keep up.
So my opinion, no there’s absolutely no justification for a 80 dollar price point when you look at the over all picture.