I genuinely don’t understand, is this a new edition and if so, what’s added? Or is it just a trailer apropos nothing, CDPRs “not without my anus” of the gaming news cycle?
I really enjoyed that the setting is more grounded than other games. Personally, I wouldn’t describe it as generic.
Gameplay-wise it doesn’t do much interesting.
BleatingZombie@lemmy.world
on 19 May 17:27
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I know exactly what you mean. I started it 3 times before I got into it
In my opinion, a lot of the gameplay is fairly generic. Attacking a wraith feels the same as attacking a human
It really shines in the immersion and story, though. The first two times I played it, I was skipping all of the dialog and cutscenes (depression is a bitch), so I missed all the good parts
Once you get into the mindset of “hunting” one of the monsters and selecting the right oils and potions, it can be really fun and feel almost like “strategy”. For example, there’s a potion that turns your blood poisonous to vampires
Wait so you can let yourself be bitten in order to slay the vampire ? I played it in 2018 but never really did the oils and stuff
BleatingZombie@lemmy.world
on 20 May 20:49
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Yeah! Although, it’s more of a preventative measure than a trap card. A lot of the oils are pretty boring, but some can be fun to use
I ended up almost exclusively doing the Witcher missions since you usually learn what you’re going to fight
ruko24@programming.dev
on 19 May 19:20
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I played through it once and really liked it but didn’t see myself going back because of the generic gameplay. Apparently, the hardest difficulty forces you to use all of your oils and potions depending on the monster/situation. I think that might solve the gameplay problem since that was pretty much optional in easier difficulties. Not to mention make it a lot more immersive since you have to strategize like the witcher
Character movement that is unrealistically limited without offering anything to make up for it
Fiddly object interaction problems (e.g. candles often getting in the way of more important things)
Bland combat mechanics
"Open" world populated almost entirely with copy/paste combat encounters
Little reward for exploration, since practically everything worth finding has a map marker
A tiny handful of side quests re-used over and over with different mini-stories to make the quests seem distinct while the tasks to perform are mostly identical
This game’s strengths are not the gameplay, but the lore, characters, and story. (All the things that could be had from reading the books, or maybe watching the live action adaptation.)
Oh, and Gwent. Gwent is remarkably well-designed for a mini-game within another game.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world
on 20 May 06:20
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The live action adaptation took a steaming dump on the original story sadly, some episodes are still worth watching but it’s not made by people who understand what made Witcher special, no wonder Henry Cavill left
It depends on what aspects of an open world are important to you.
Exploration is at the top of my list, and Skyrim is a good example of doing it well. Its world is full of unique things/places/characters to find, whether through an NPC’s directions, or a roughly sketched map picked up while adventuring, or following your curiosity toward an area that looks interesting, or chasing a fox, or simply by wandering off the beaten path.
Map markers appear after you’ve already been somewhere so you can find your way back again, but since most of them are hidden until then, they don’t spoil the experience of discovery.
And, when you find something, it’s often genuinely interesting. Not yet another copy/paste monster fight or “hold the button to follow your witcher sense to the lost thing” quest. Not just checking off a task list item (or pre-placed map marker) so you can rush to the next one. The experience itself is rewarding.
Mind, I have criticisms of Skyrim, but it did exploration and environments (including soundscapes) very well, and I wish more open world designers would learn from it and build upon its strengths.
EDIT:
I would love to play a game that reached or exceeded Skyrim’s bar for exploration and environmental immersion, Breath of the Wild’s bar for freedom of movement and wildlife, and The Witcher 3’s bar for characters and story.
I feel CP2077 does great with regard to storytelling and exploration (plenty of nooks and crannies in and around Night City), wildlife is nonexistant though. A Witcher game played in first-person would be cool…
I think my favorite part of Cyberpunk 2077’s open world was that it was full of activity. The encounter variety might have been a little disappointing, but I was impressed with how they made the city feel dense and populated. It was much more convincing than the miniature towns full of locked doors and fake windows that are passed off as “cities” in so many other games.
What I appreciated with the first Witcher is seeing the story from all sides and I dont recall it feeling black and white. Humans were shown as hating elves for their attacks, but then you get to the elves and learn their part of why they were attacking. The writing feels raw with hints of racism, vulgarism and the like. It felt right for the setting.
The Botching story line (the barron) in W3 was probably my favorite in that game and that was a side quest. I didnt feel the same momentum going forward in the main story of W3.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 21 May 07:43
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I’d argue that there’s plenty of that in 2 as well, and by 3 it’s more about taking things to their conclusions as all the characters we’ve built relationships with start bouncing off each other but fair enough.
I remember it being in W2 as well. Its just been so long since I’ve played either, I really cant articulate it well why I liked it so much. I just know I did but didn’t feel the same way about W3. In the end, I loved each of the games because they all had their own thing going for them. I don’t have a favorite.
Such an amazing game. I’m not into RPGs but somehow got convinced to play this.
I don’t understand how I even had the energy to play 100+ hrs next to work. I often played until 2 am on weekdays, or woke up earlier to play.
I understand the complaints of the gameplay or controls, but the story and the characters are what makes this game special. It’s a journey I will never forget, some memories and feelings from it will stay with me forever
commander@lemmy.world
on 20 May 21:25
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The controls I thought were really easy but I played on PC so I could swing the mouse around and I don’t need to looks at the keyboard to hit almost any key. So for me I thought it was real easy to control contrary to what I read online
Then I played on a console and then I understood the hate for Witcher 3 controls. I remember it feeling very heavy. Weird to control the camera and Geralt
Why’s that? I enjoyed cyberpunk. I mean, of course it was released with a fuck ton of problems, but that’s not on the studio, it’s on the money people behind the studio forcing them to release and start making their money back.
I haven’t but that’s what I’ve heard from reviews. I’ve watched gameplay and long playthrough for the game on YouTube and it seems good… Now after all this time, with the extra money spent on the DLC. Which is why if I ever do play it I’m going to Pirate it because they don’t deserve my money. They should honestly go out of business
Bruh that’s literally what reviewers are for. They tell you if the game is worth it or not and I did my research. I also watch long playthroughs of it and saw how bad it was
Sorry I just don’t support companies that release broken mess on release. If I ever play the game then I’m pirating it because they don’t deserve any money
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world
on 21 May 06:06
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I’m playing it for the first time at the mo, seems great to me.
That’s good for you a lot of people still enjoyed it. I’m just saying if I ever do play it I’m going to Pirate it cuz they don’t deserve my money or anyone’s
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I genuinely don’t understand, is this a new edition and if so, what’s added? Or is it just a trailer apropos nothing, CDPRs “not without my anus” of the gaming news cycle?
It’s a trailer celebrating the 10th anniversary of the game.
That’s what got me confused - why call it a trailer if there’s nothing new? Not even a UE5 remaster, those are all the rage now.
cdprojekt.com/…/strategy-update-2022-presentation…
Mate, that’s from 2022. I’ve scanned through it and it seems completely unhelpful.
Yeah, make me read through an investor-oriented powerpoint from three years ago once, shame on you.
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I really had trouble getting in to that game. May try it again but it seemed a bit too… generic?
I really enjoyed that the setting is more grounded than other games. Personally, I wouldn’t describe it as generic.
Gameplay-wise it doesn’t do much interesting.
I know exactly what you mean. I started it 3 times before I got into it
In my opinion, a lot of the gameplay is fairly generic. Attacking a wraith feels the same as attacking a human
It really shines in the immersion and story, though. The first two times I played it, I was skipping all of the dialog and cutscenes (depression is a bitch), so I missed all the good parts
Once you get into the mindset of “hunting” one of the monsters and selecting the right oils and potions, it can be really fun and feel almost like “strategy”. For example, there’s a potion that turns your blood poisonous to vampires
Wait so you can let yourself be bitten in order to slay the vampire ? I played it in 2018 but never really did the oils and stuff
Yeah! Although, it’s more of a preventative measure than a trap card. A lot of the oils are pretty boring, but some can be fun to use
I ended up almost exclusively doing the Witcher missions since you usually learn what you’re going to fight
I played through it once and really liked it but didn’t see myself going back because of the generic gameplay. Apparently, the hardest difficulty forces you to use all of your oils and potions depending on the monster/situation. I think that might solve the gameplay problem since that was pretty much optional in easier difficulties. Not to mention make it a lot more immersive since you have to strategize like the witcher
IMHO, its gameplay is mediocre at best:
This game’s strengths are not the gameplay, but the lore, characters, and story. (All the things that could be had from reading the books, or maybe watching the live action adaptation.)
Oh, and Gwent. Gwent is remarkably well-designed for a mini-game within another game.
The live action adaptation took a steaming dump on the original story sadly, some episodes are still worth watching but it’s not made by people who understand what made Witcher special, no wonder Henry Cavill left
What would you suggest for better open world games?
It depends on what aspects of an open world are important to you.
Exploration is at the top of my list, and Skyrim is a good example of doing it well. Its world is full of unique things/places/characters to find, whether through an NPC’s directions, or a roughly sketched map picked up while adventuring, or following your curiosity toward an area that looks interesting, or chasing a fox, or simply by wandering off the beaten path.
Map markers appear after you’ve already been somewhere so you can find your way back again, but since most of them are hidden until then, they don’t spoil the experience of discovery.
And, when you find something, it’s often genuinely interesting. Not yet another copy/paste monster fight or “hold the button to follow your witcher sense to the lost thing” quest. Not just checking off a task list item (or pre-placed map marker) so you can rush to the next one. The experience itself is rewarding.
Mind, I have criticisms of Skyrim, but it did exploration and environments (including soundscapes) very well, and I wish more open world designers would learn from it and build upon its strengths.
EDIT:
I would love to play a game that reached or exceeded Skyrim’s bar for exploration and environmental immersion, Breath of the Wild’s bar for freedom of movement and wildlife, and The Witcher 3’s bar for characters and story.
I feel CP2077 does great with regard to storytelling and exploration (plenty of nooks and crannies in and around Night City), wildlife is nonexistant though. A Witcher game played in first-person would be cool…
I think my favorite part of Cyberpunk 2077’s open world was that it was full of activity. The encounter variety might have been a little disappointing, but I was impressed with how they made the city feel dense and populated. It was much more convincing than the miniature towns full of locked doors and fake windows that are passed off as “cities” in so many other games.
My disbelief was suspended as well
You could try The Witcher 1. Gameplay there is…unique. A little dated today but IMO has the best writing of the three.
I feel like you could only think that if you’re more interested in learning the setting than seeing the characters interact.
What I appreciated with the first Witcher is seeing the story from all sides and I dont recall it feeling black and white. Humans were shown as hating elves for their attacks, but then you get to the elves and learn their part of why they were attacking. The writing feels raw with hints of racism, vulgarism and the like. It felt right for the setting.
The Botching story line (the barron) in W3 was probably my favorite in that game and that was a side quest. I didnt feel the same momentum going forward in the main story of W3.
I’d argue that there’s plenty of that in 2 as well, and by 3 it’s more about taking things to their conclusions as all the characters we’ve built relationships with start bouncing off each other but fair enough.
I remember it being in W2 as well. Its just been so long since I’ve played either, I really cant articulate it well why I liked it so much. I just know I did but didn’t feel the same way about W3. In the end, I loved each of the games because they all had their own thing going for them. I don’t have a favorite.
Such an amazing game. I’m not into RPGs but somehow got convinced to play this.
I don’t understand how I even had the energy to play 100+ hrs next to work. I often played until 2 am on weekdays, or woke up earlier to play.
I understand the complaints of the gameplay or controls, but the story and the characters are what makes this game special. It’s a journey I will never forget, some memories and feelings from it will stay with me forever
The controls I thought were really easy but I played on PC so I could swing the mouse around and I don’t need to looks at the keyboard to hit almost any key. So for me I thought it was real easy to control contrary to what I read online
Then I played on a console and then I understood the hate for Witcher 3 controls. I remember it feeling very heavy. Weird to control the camera and Geralt
Have you read the books? Half the fun is spotting all the divergent plots
Are they doing some release or something? Or is this just a special commemorative video?
After cyberpunk CD project red can go fuck themselves
Why’s that? I enjoyed cyberpunk. I mean, of course it was released with a fuck ton of problems, but that’s not on the studio, it’s on the money people behind the studio forcing them to release and start making their money back.
It should’ve never released the way it was and the fact the released DLC for that broken mess is disgusting greed on their part
They released DLC for it after fixing and overhauling the game.
Mostly fixed the game didn’t feel complete without the DLC
Now you’re just making it clear you’ve never actually played the game. It’s very complete without the DLC even with multiple endings.
I haven’t but that’s what I’ve heard from reviews. I’ve watched gameplay and long playthrough for the game on YouTube and it seems good… Now after all this time, with the extra money spent on the DLC. Which is why if I ever do play it I’m going to Pirate it because they don’t deserve my money. They should honestly go out of business
Then stop commenting like you know what you’re talking about?
Bruh that’s literally what reviewers are for. They tell you if the game is worth it or not and I did my research. I also watch long playthroughs of it and saw how bad it was
lol oh okay so you just have no idea what you’re talking about.
Sorry I just don’t support companies that release broken mess on release. If I ever play the game then I’m pirating it because they don’t deserve any money
I’m playing it for the first time at the mo, seems great to me.
That’s good for you a lot of people still enjoyed it. I’m just saying if I ever do play it I’m going to Pirate it cuz they don’t deserve my money or anyone’s
How much longer they are milking the Witcher? It should be dry by now, right?