Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works
on 31 Aug 19:23
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I heard that game has a really bad problem with cheaters. Addressing that seems like it would take precedence over getting the game on Steam. You only get one shot to make a first impression and all.
KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world
on 31 Aug 19:39
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The game has had major cheating issues since Covid started. There only so much they can do when the game is built on over a decade of shit code.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world
on 31 Aug 20:31
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Is there a modern popular shooter that doesn’t have a cheating problem? And if so, what are they doing differently?
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus
on 31 Aug 20:56
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there are no online games that don't have a cheating problem. but there are many online games that don't have anywhere near as bad of a cheating problem as EFT.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world
on 31 Aug 21:00
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Is that not just a reflection of how popular it is and the incentives that players have to not lose and not just the desire to win? As opposed to a deathmatch or ranked game, you actually lose stuff when you lose in this game, right? Is there anything you could reasonably ask of this developer that isn’t just inevitable for this game design?
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 31 Aug 23:18
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Install a singleplayer mod that allows you to progress at your own pace and know that all of your faults were not because of cheaters (SPT), but I don’t think those changes could be rectified in the PvP game.
There’s not a cheating problem at all in Rocket League. Literally the only multiplayer game I’ve never seen or even heard of someone cheating in. Not even sure how you would when client side things won’t even help play the game (even an aimbot for the ball would end up being a hindrance) and everything important is handled server side.
And the person I replied to stated that no multiplayer games of any kind are without cheaters.
BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca
on 31 Aug 22:15
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I'm too lazy to look it up right now but there have definitely been cheaters in Rocket League. The fact that it isn't a shooter is actually made it easy to cheat in; when there's no precedent for what cheating even looks like, how do you spot it? I remember a few years ago there was a whole scandal where it turned out someone who was famous for making trickshots had some kind of bot that was able to calculate exactly how to hit the ball midair and send it into the goal.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus
on 31 Aug 22:22
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A two second google search shows cheaters were showing up in ranked games less than a year ago.
threeonefour@piefed.ca
on 31 Aug 22:49
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There are several exposé videos on cheating in Rocket League. Here's one by Sunless Khan on "Jimmy" who was on trick shot team but he was actually editing the data of replay files to produce his clips.
Another one by Wayton Pilkin on account boosting, DDoSing servers to cause legit players to have their connection dropped allowing the cheater to win by forfeit, and cheaters using invisible cars.
The clip thing doesn’t affect anything in a game ever, at all. I didn’t question boosting or DDOSing the servers; that shit has an effect on the game. The first thing doesn’t. Not even remotely.
You boost yourself to a level you can’t actually compete in and just fuck up the game for your team mates. It’s the exact opposite problem smurfing creates.
Right. The guy who faked clips boosted his skills to a level he couldn't actually compete in. He was scouted to be part of a pro team and was kicked after they realized his videos were faked.
That was the point of my question, to be honest. I don't understand. Cheating in a single player game to experience it I get. Unlimited ammo, all unlocks, that kind of thing - it lets the game be played differently. But against other players it seems completely pointless from my perspective.
I agree with you, but there are people who enjoy moving over others’ sandcastles more than making their own. Some people enjoy ruining things for others. Others believe everyone else is cheating too, and their cheating is evening the playing field. The latter is a very common defense when asked directly.
Several content creators lose to cheaters and manage to interview the blatant cheaters who admit to it. There are also relatively popular YouTubers whose entire channels are accusing pro players and streamers of cheating in COD and games. Lots of people assume good players are all cheating, and that it’s approved (if not facilitated) by the developers. (Which is a necessary belief for them, considering these players will also often perform very well on LAN tournaments against other pros.)
There’s a pretty massive item market for this game to use real money for in-game items, where the seller will meet you in a match and drop the gear. So there’s a big financial incentive for people from third world countries to hack so they can quickly acquire valuable items to sell on that market.
threeonefour@piefed.ca
on 31 Aug 20:15
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I've also heard it doesn't run on Linux, ironically due to it's kernel level anti-cheat.
ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 01 Sep 07:21
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Online PvP raids don't work, everything else does, including the SPT mod
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
on 31 Aug 21:28
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There isnt actually a way to make functional anticheat as long as its playable on your own device. Its pointless to try and a waste of money. The only way is banning offenders and premium/custom matchmaking.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net
on 31 Aug 21:39
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The cheating problem is off the charts. There was a really good video of someone who investigated how bad it was, and found that about 50% of players were using wallhacks. of matches will have a hacker.
I played it for a couple months. The gunplay was pretty impressive, but the cheaters made it incredibly frustrating, and after seeing that video, I uninstalled and never looked back.
It’s likely around 30% total player base, and out of ten man raid your going to have likely 1 to 3. As cheaters like to squad up. It’s very common for large cheat discords to have fuck loads of people grouping up
SmokedBillionaire@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Sep 00:17
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The game is very fun and the loop is quite addictive, but PvE is probably the best thing that has happened to it in a long time. The AI needs minor tweaking, but not playing against other people and cheaters is so great. Being able to play with friends makes it fun.
Till it hit steam, you have to go to a Russian website. Pay Russian company using a sketchy payment processor on a barely functional website with extremely poor security measures to use. A Homebrew janky launcher that barely works.
Out of a lobby of 10 people 3 likely are cheating. Every person who’s ever cheated to show videos of their games has this experience. My own first hand try at cheating shows this.
The game literally is one of the most cheated in shooters there is.
I don’t understand why the game would get played at all if it was full of cheaters like this. how could that be fun? especially with something that requires as much patience as an extraction shooter
The game has a really bad problem with incompetent developers and project leaders who have shitty moral and ethical principles, and no I don’t think they are fixing that any time soon lol
Carmakazi@lemmy.world
on 31 Aug 20:04
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Personally I’ll avoid sending any Western money to the Russian economy that I can. BSG has been able to weasel out of political controversy thus far…but it’s a milsim, the devs are probably more pro-Russia than not, they’re just smart enough to keep their mouths shut and keep accepting Western patronage.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
on 31 Aug 21:51
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ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 01 Sep 07:24
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I don't remember the details but there are deliberate references to a real paramilitary group which fights for Russia
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 01 Sep 21:46
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Blue beret item references the VDV, airborne russian troops, in the description. Also one of the armbands has the russian flag on it.
Although because the game is shown through the lens of PMCs (you’re not fighting as or against Russian/UN/NATO troops), most of the russian military references are minimal (unless you count the descriptions of weapons detailing their design/usage histories).
This also makes me curious how it was even possible for them to bring it to Steam in the first place, logically speaking, with Russia being under international sanctions and all major payment processors no longer accepting business from there?
Did they like make this happen with a shell company or something elsewhere? Lol
Last time I played I got curious hit up a buddy who cheated and grabbed walls. I haven’t used cheats in a shooter since I was 14 I’m fucking 34 now. I’ve gotten kappa twice legit and had basically quit the game over being pissed about the cheaters.
And holy fuck playing around for a few weeks was absurd. I was mostly just questing, no farming or killing for the most part.
But there were so many obvious cheaters that I didn’t even have issues finishing the kill quests doing a HvH only rule.
I was worried I would mistake people who are actually good for cheaters but no. Not even remotely, it’s so absurdly obvious it’s funny.
Honestly HvH was more fun then normal tarkov just because it actually was a level playing field. Definitely a different experience.
Tarkov REALLY is one of the most cheated in shooters there is.
You got lots of downvotes, but assuming you’re earnest, the game has a reputation of being rife with cheaters. Here’s a popular video that showed how bad it was a couple of years ago: youtu.be/p5LfGcDB7Ek
There’s also lots of allegations about the developers not being great people, which you can read in this thread. I have no idea about that, though. But complaints are not rare.
Tried changing my email on my Tarkov account but it was nor possible. I contacted support and they refused to change it too. I simply wanted change the email as i no longer use outlook as my mail provider. After multiple refusals i simply deleted the account instead.
fuzzywombat@lemmy.world
on 01 Sep 13:04
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Extraction shooter market is getting crowded quick. It’s probably wise move by Tarkov devs to bank some money before Arc Raiders comes out on October 30th. I have a feeling Arc Raiders just might dominate the extraction shooter market for broad general audience. I’m sure more hardcore extraction shooter fans will stick with Tarkov but I don’t see Tarkov will appeal to the masses. I hear developers of The Division might be working on an extraction shooter too. It’s quite ironic since they accidentally stumbled onto the extraction shooter idea and just now figured out there may be a demand for the genre. There is Marathon but I have no idea what’s going on with that game. I’m not sure if Bungie or Sony knows what will happen to that game.
This is why I loved the DMZ mode of Warzone when it launched. The stronger bots were mother fuckers but there were missions to finish, so the players (all fresh from Warzone and new to having prox chat,) were mostly carefully happy to talk and often helped each other. It got pretty sweaty over the next two seasons though. After that it was kill on sight.
A few weeks ago, soon after they spun it off to its own download apart from Warzone, someone cracked it for solo play. I’d love someone figuring out a way to let people play private servers for that.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 01 Sep 22:02
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I cant wait to have Tarkov on steam and play a game thats flooded with hackers, thats developed buy people who uses their admin powers to punish people that kill them.
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I heard that game has a really bad problem with cheaters. Addressing that seems like it would take precedence over getting the game on Steam. You only get one shot to make a first impression and all.
The game has had major cheating issues since Covid started. There only so much they can do when the game is built on over a decade of shit code.
Is there a modern popular shooter that doesn’t have a cheating problem? And if so, what are they doing differently?
there are no online games that don't have a cheating problem. but there are many online games that don't have anywhere near as bad of a cheating problem as EFT.
Is that not just a reflection of how popular it is and the incentives that players have to not lose and not just the desire to win? As opposed to a deathmatch or ranked game, you actually lose stuff when you lose in this game, right? Is there anything you could reasonably ask of this developer that isn’t just inevitable for this game design?
Install a singleplayer mod that allows you to progress at your own pace and know that all of your faults were not because of cheaters (SPT), but I don’t think those changes could be rectified in the PvP game.
There’s not a cheating problem at all in Rocket League. Literally the only multiplayer game I’ve never seen or even heard of someone cheating in. Not even sure how you would when client side things won’t even help play the game (even an aimbot for the ball would end up being a hindrance) and everything important is handled server side.
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And the person I replied to stated that no multiplayer games of any kind are without cheaters.
I'm too lazy to look it up right now but there have definitely been cheaters in Rocket League. The fact that it isn't a shooter is actually made it easy to cheat in; when there's no precedent for what cheating even looks like, how do you spot it? I remember a few years ago there was a whole scandal where it turned out someone who was famous for making trickshots had some kind of bot that was able to calculate exactly how to hit the ball midair and send it into the goal.
A two second google search shows cheaters were showing up in ranked games less than a year ago.
There are several exposé videos on cheating in Rocket League. Here's one by Sunless Khan on "Jimmy" who was on trick shot team but he was actually editing the data of replay files to produce his clips.
Another one by Wayton Pilkin on account boosting, DDoSing servers to cause legit players to have their connection dropped allowing the cheater to win by forfeit, and cheaters using invisible cars.
How is editing replay clips cheating in the actual game?
How is using multiple accounts to play against yourself and boost your rank cheating in the actual game? No actual players are being robbed of wins.
The clip thing doesn’t affect anything in a game ever, at all. I didn’t question boosting or DDOSing the servers; that shit has an effect on the game. The first thing doesn’t. Not even remotely.
How does boosting affect other players?
You boost yourself to a level you can’t actually compete in and just fuck up the game for your team mates. It’s the exact opposite problem smurfing creates.
Right. The guy who faked clips boosted his skills to a level he couldn't actually compete in. He was scouted to be part of a pro team and was kicked after they realized his videos were faked.
That just means you’re not good enough at rocket League to notice it
I am literally GC.
What's even the point of cheating in multiplayer?
Winning at any cost, I think.
But if one cheats then it's not a real win?
Tell that to the cheaters. It doesn’t seem to stop them, so it must feel real to them.
That was the point of my question, to be honest. I don't understand. Cheating in a single player game to experience it I get. Unlimited ammo, all unlocks, that kind of thing - it lets the game be played differently. But against other players it seems completely pointless from my perspective.
I agree with you, but there are people who enjoy moving over others’ sandcastles more than making their own. Some people enjoy ruining things for others. Others believe everyone else is cheating too, and their cheating is evening the playing field. The latter is a very common defense when asked directly.
Several content creators lose to cheaters and manage to interview the blatant cheaters who admit to it. There are also relatively popular YouTubers whose entire channels are accusing pro players and streamers of cheating in COD and games. Lots of people assume good players are all cheating, and that it’s approved (if not facilitated) by the developers. (Which is a necessary belief for them, considering these players will also often perform very well on LAN tournaments against other pros.)
There’s a pretty massive item market for this game to use real money for in-game items, where the seller will meet you in a match and drop the gear. So there’s a big financial incentive for people from third world countries to hack so they can quickly acquire valuable items to sell on that market.
I meant multiplayer games in general. People do it in games with no loot mechanics.
Since covid started? Lmao
I've also heard it doesn't run on Linux, ironically due to it's kernel level anti-cheat.
Online PvP raids don't work, everything else does, including the SPT mod
There isnt actually a way to make functional anticheat as long as its playable on your own device. Its pointless to try and a waste of money. The only way is banning offenders and premium/custom matchmaking.
The cheating problem is off the charts. There was a really good video of someone who investigated how bad it was, and found that about 50%
of players were using wallhacks.of matches will have a hacker.I played it for a couple months. The gunplay was pretty impressive, but the cheaters made it incredibly frustrating, and after seeing that video, I uninstalled and never looked back.
EDIT: The video in question.
*50% of raids had at least 1 player using wall hacks. There is a large chunk of the player base cheating, but it is definitely not 50%.
Ah! My bad, it’d been a while since I saw that video.
It’s likely around 30% total player base, and out of ten man raid your going to have likely 1 to 3. As cheaters like to squad up. It’s very common for large cheat discords to have fuck loads of people grouping up
The game is very fun and the loop is quite addictive, but PvE is probably the best thing that has happened to it in a long time. The AI needs minor tweaking, but not playing against other people and cheaters is so great. Being able to play with friends makes it fun.
If you like the idea there is a PvE mode which is fine. But the AI has its own cheats and there are all the other issues mentioned in this thread.
Even with cheats, the AI still wins sometimes. That’s how insane the AI in this game is. It’s absurd.
Gluey and the Bois don’t fuck around
does the game just run off a downloadable exe? or is it on epic or something
They have their own launcher.
Till it hit steam, you have to go to a Russian website. Pay Russian company using a sketchy payment processor on a barely functional website with extremely poor security measures to use. A Homebrew janky launcher that barely works.
Just wait for it to come to steam
kagis
I haven’t played it, but it sounds like it doesn’t have a replay system, which apparently has exacerbated finding cheaters.
It doesn’t, and that’s one of the reasons I only play offline with mods rather than online.
Out of a lobby of 10 people 3 likely are cheating. Every person who’s ever cheated to show videos of their games has this experience. My own first hand try at cheating shows this.
The game literally is one of the most cheated in shooters there is.
I don’t understand why the game would get played at all if it was full of cheaters like this. how could that be fun? especially with something that requires as much patience as an extraction shooter
The game has a really bad problem with incompetent developers and project leaders who have shitty moral and ethical principles, and no I don’t think they are fixing that any time soon lol
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Personally I’ll avoid sending any Western money to the Russian economy that I can. BSG has been able to weasel out of political controversy thus far…but it’s a milsim, the devs are probably more pro-Russia than not, they’re just smart enough to keep their mouths shut and keep accepting Western patronage.
BSG still means Beets and Bears to me
edit: and i just dropped the Beets
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The main dev is pro-russia.
I don't remember the details but there are deliberate references to a real paramilitary group which fights for Russia
Blue beret item references the VDV, airborne russian troops, in the description. Also one of the armbands has the russian flag on it.
Although because the game is shown through the lens of PMCs (you’re not fighting as or against Russian/UN/NATO troops), most of the russian military references are minimal (unless you count the descriptions of weapons detailing their design/usage histories).
This also makes me curious how it was even possible for them to bring it to Steam in the first place, logically speaking, with Russia being under international sanctions and all major payment processors no longer accepting business from there?
Did they like make this happen with a shell company or something elsewhere? Lol
Because if I recall correctly. The company, Battle State Games, has offices in other countries which help them avoid these sorts of things.
Yeah. I think they're officially registered as a UK company which means sanctions don't apply.
Cool! Still a bug ridden mess full of cheaters with devs who are lazy bigots and refuse to make female characters because "women can't handle war"?
Cool! Skipping it still!
Last time I played I got curious hit up a buddy who cheated and grabbed walls. I haven’t used cheats in a shooter since I was 14 I’m fucking 34 now. I’ve gotten kappa twice legit and had basically quit the game over being pissed about the cheaters.
And holy fuck playing around for a few weeks was absurd. I was mostly just questing, no farming or killing for the most part.
But there were so many obvious cheaters that I didn’t even have issues finishing the kill quests doing a HvH only rule.
I was worried I would mistake people who are actually good for cheaters but no. Not even remotely, it’s so absurdly obvious it’s funny.
Honestly HvH was more fun then normal tarkov just because it actually was a level playing field. Definitely a different experience.
Tarkov REALLY is one of the most cheated in shooters there is.
Doesn’t mean it’s going to work on linux
facebook.com/groups/…/1842637456471565/
Sounds like PvE works, but not PvP.
This guy claims that he got it working in PvP, at least at one point:
old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/…/tarkov_on_linux/
SPT works with coop, believe the guide for the Linux guide is on the SPTAKI discord and/or github. I used to run it on steam deck.
Edit: Also that guy is right, it used to work. They removed the ability to use Linux around the time streets or the steam deck game out.
Yuck
Why? Never heard of this game.
You got lots of downvotes, but assuming you’re earnest, the game has a reputation of being rife with cheaters. Here’s a popular video that showed how bad it was a couple of years ago: youtu.be/p5LfGcDB7Ek
There’s also lots of allegations about the developers not being great people, which you can read in this thread. I have no idea about that, though. But complaints are not rare.
I was being earnest lol. Thank you.
Why would anyone be interested in playing with cheaters?
Tried changing my email on my Tarkov account but it was nor possible. I contacted support and they refused to change it too. I simply wanted change the email as i no longer use outlook as my mail provider. After multiple refusals i simply deleted the account instead.
Extraction shooter market is getting crowded quick. It’s probably wise move by Tarkov devs to bank some money before Arc Raiders comes out on October 30th. I have a feeling Arc Raiders just might dominate the extraction shooter market for broad general audience. I’m sure more hardcore extraction shooter fans will stick with Tarkov but I don’t see Tarkov will appeal to the masses. I hear developers of The Division might be working on an extraction shooter too. It’s quite ironic since they accidentally stumbled onto the extraction shooter idea and just now figured out there may be a demand for the genre. There is Marathon but I have no idea what’s going on with that game. I’m not sure if Bungie or Sony knows what will happen to that game.
Would love a coop focused extraction shooter tbh. Payday 3 could have gone for that actually, its essentially just an economy change.
This is why I loved the DMZ mode of Warzone when it launched. The stronger bots were mother fuckers but there were missions to finish, so the players (all fresh from Warzone and new to having prox chat,) were mostly carefully happy to talk and often helped each other. It got pretty sweaty over the next two seasons though. After that it was kill on sight.
A few weeks ago, soon after they spun it off to its own download apart from Warzone, someone cracked it for solo play. I’d love someone figuring out a way to let people play private servers for that.
I cant wait to have Tarkov on steam and play a game thats flooded with hackers, thats developed buy people who uses their admin powers to punish people that kill them.