Images leak of Valve's next game, and it's an Overwatch-style hero shooter (www.eurogamer.net)
from simple@lemm.ee to games@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 10:49
https://lemm.ee/post/32177442

Though the way the leaker describes it makes it sound more like a 3rd person MOBA than a hero shooter.

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breadsmasher@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 10:49 next collapse

DOTASHOOTER

Zerfallen@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 11:15 next collapse

shoota

Axiochus@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 11:29 collapse

Shota

ChippiChappa@ani.social on 17 May 2024 12:04 collapse

Still a better than LoLi

aeronmelon@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 12:00 collapse

Dooter.

Assman@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 11:01 next collapse

Sounds more like SMITE than overwatch

flamingarms@feddit.uk on 17 May 2024 11:25 collapse

Or Paragon even. That game was so fun back in the day before it got killed. If anyone can make something that fun again, it’s probably Valve.

BruceTwarzen@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 11:57 next collapse

Was it really that good? I heard it was overwatch from wish when it launched but then got better. I never tried it, because i didn't wanna learn something new.

flamingarms@feddit.uk on 17 May 2024 12:24 collapse

It was a hero shooter MOBA but with some verticality, so that’s about as far as the Overwatch comparison goes. I had a great time with it. I like traditional MOBAs but don’t have the skill/patience/time for them, so hero shooter MOBAs are the perfect way for me to be able to play them more casually. In my opinion, of the few I’ve tried, Paragon was the best implementation of a hero shooter MOBA; the core gameplay just felt really tight to me.

bagelberger@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 12:33 next collapse

There’s a remake out right now called Predecessor that I’ve been enjoying, free on PC/PS/Xbox.

flamingarms@feddit.uk on 17 May 2024 15:58 collapse

Oh shit, I hadn’t heard of that. I’ll definitely check it out; thanks for the recommendation.

MR_GABARISE@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 16:31 collapse

Before that there was Super Monday Night Combat.

micka190@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 16:56 collapse

God I miss Monday Night Combat. It was one of my favorite indie games on the 360.

flamingarms@feddit.uk on 17 May 2024 17:52 collapse

Yeah, that really brings me back. I had like 4 tokens on Steam to give the game away when they were trying to get more people to play. There was some other hero shooter MOBA a little after that too, by Epic or something. Didn’t last very long and wasn’t all that great, but I still played the shit out of the falcon character that could “fly”. Man, I need to jump into another one of these games.

RandomWalker@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 11:14 next collapse

Sounds more like TF2 crossed with DOTA, which sounds weirdly fun and hella toxic.

ji59@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 11:45 next collapse

Isn't Smite exactly this?

JJROKCZ@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 17:50 collapse

Ish, smite is literally a MOBA with the camera sitting behind the characters shoulder instead of top-down.

Easiest and only description of SMITE is third-person MOBA. I’ve played since 2012

Sabata11792@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 13:04 next collapse

I can't wait to be called new and exciting racial slurs as I lose the game for my team.

mynachmadarch@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 13:14 collapse

Or bring back the classics. I haven't been called a swamp kisser in a while.

Sabata11792@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 13:24 collapse

I don't want to get banned but just assume I tend to go 1 and 15 and every notices every time.

ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de on 17 May 2024 20:29 next collapse

I bet it will be made to run awesome on steam deck.

Zoomboingding@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 02:52 next collapse

Try out Predecessor, it’s F2P and exactly this

CosmoNova@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 09:06 collapse

Can you imagine the chaos of a veteran Dota2 player being matched with a notorious conga dancer?

antaymonkey@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 11:21 next collapse

Valve famously only works on what excites them. You’re yelling me THIS is that?? How utterly defeatingly disappointing.

newthrowaway20@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 11:28 next collapse

Bold statement. Might wanna hold judgment till you actually see some gameplay.

Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 12:20 next collapse

It goes both ways then, people who are happy should shut up until they see some gameplay.

newthrowaway20@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 12:56 next collapse

Yeah I agree.

We don’t know anything yet.

WereCat@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 18:13 collapse

But sir… The comment section? Why are we here?

danthehutt@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 19:39 collapse

People who don’t care are allowed to comment, that’s it.

edgemaster72@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 02:34 collapse

My time is here

MDKAOD@lemmy.ml on 18 May 2024 05:24 collapse

Artifact would like a word.

reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 11:30 next collapse

While I’ll likely still play this I have to agree.

Breadhax0r@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 11:53 next collapse

Typically valve only puts out games that showcase something new, so might be interesting

dustyData@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 12:06 collapse

Looks nervously at counter strike and dota.

smeg@feddit.uk on 17 May 2024 12:45 collapse

They were both originally mods that they adopted rather than original creations though, right?

Breadhax0r@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 13:10 collapse

I think, also if I recall both games were genre defining

dsemy@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 11:54 next collapse

Is it really surprising? It’s not like it’s their first competitive shooter.

BruceTwarzen@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 11:56 next collapse

Like idk, when overwatch came out, it was an absolute blast. I wasn't looking forward to it at all, i didn't care for it a bit until i played it. It just got run into the ground slowly. Also they made team fortress 2 way WAY before, and yeah that's what they excites them.

GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 13:28 next collapse

Just think of the loot boxes they can sell.

BurningnnTree@lemmy.one on 17 May 2024 14:23 collapse

Valve’s game development division feels more like a weird cult than a proper game company. I don’t think they get “excited” for the things that most people get excited for. (Remember when they were excited for a virtual card game where you have to pay for every card?) The Valve of the 2000s is long gone IMO

amio@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 11:43 next collapse

So they're ripping off the game that ripped them off. The industry is in an absolute state.

AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca on 17 May 2024 13:58 next collapse

There’s no such thing as an original idea. Just look at tvtropes. The whole idea is to make a new take on a previous idea, to integrate and innovate. No idea if this will be successful in doing that, but the premise alone shouldn’t condemn it.

Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de on 17 May 2024 17:27 collapse

god this is like when everyone called first person shooters “doom clones”, overwatch is absolutely not a tf2 ripoff lmao, and making a hero shooter does not mean it’s an overwatch ripoff either.

Rezbit@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 12:12 next collapse

Gigantic can’t catch a break :(

Dukeofdummies@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 12:18 next collapse

That's interesting... bold move though. I can think of MANY failed 3rd person mobas.

stardust@lemmy.ca on 17 May 2024 12:21 next collapse

I just want a nice story driven single player game from Valve again that isn’t VR.

FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org on 17 May 2024 12:32 next collapse

Me too but it’ll never happen. The age of good single player AAA games are long long gone.

Openopenopenopen@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 13:05 collapse

Wasn’t last years game of the year, Baldurs gate 3, a triple Aaa, single player, game that had an amazing story?

FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org on 17 May 2024 13:29 next collapse

Looks like there is debate on whether that studio is AAA. So maybe, yea.

Quazatron@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 14:06 next collapse

Hang on, that is a single player game? I now auto-discard AAA games up front because most of them are online multiplayer affairs with fancy in-game items to purchase and silly anti-cheat gimmicks that give Linux users a hard time.

I might look into buying this one, then.

TexasDrunk@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 14:53 next collapse

Yep. You can play alone, couch co-op with controllers, or with friends online if that’s what you’re into. I’ve logged a couple of hundred hours alone and another hundred or so couch co-op.

LyD@lemmy.ca on 17 May 2024 18:45 collapse

I want to play it in couch co-op but I kept hearing that you miss out on content by playing it that way. For a first playthrough, is that true?

TexasDrunk@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 19:33 next collapse

You’re going to miss content no matter how you play. It’s the nature of the game. Some decisions lock you out of options.

I can’t think of anything you’d inherently miss from couch co-op.

JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 22:33 next collapse

I played through the whole game with my gf and didn’t see nor read anything that would indicate that.

Regardless of if you play, solo or with up to 4 people there are 4 characters in your party. Your main character can be one of the predefined ones or not. You will probably have/want a mix of both.

First play through will take more than 100h and you will still have plenty to see for subsequent playtroughs. It’s literally impossible to see all of it first time regardless of how you play.

Just get it, it’s not just a GOTY, it’s one of the best games in a long while.

emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de on 18 May 2024 05:41 collapse

No. My girlfriend and I are 140 hours in and still not finished, and I’m amazed at how smooth the coop works with the story. You can each be different places doing different things, or you can travel together, you can each have your own relationships with npcs. A lot of conversations with npcs will repeat depending on who’s talking, but important story ones won’t. As long as you mostly stick together and make choices together, you’ll have every option a single player game does.

assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 17:40 collapse

Indeed! You can choose to co-op with friends, but it isn’t necessary at all. It’s a really nice model for RPGs.

TexasDrunk@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 14:54 collapse

Year before was Elden Ring. I’ve never played that one online.

PlantJam@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 12:56 next collapse

Have you played A Plague Tale (innocence, then requiem)? It’s one of the best story driven games I’ve ever played. It’s entirely linear, so plot urgency doesn’t feel artificial like it does in open world games.

stardust@lemmy.ca on 17 May 2024 13:26 next collapse

I played the first one but not the second yet. I did enjoyed the experience and the hairstyles stood out for the character designs with the ribbons.

terrifyingtuba@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 16:07 collapse

I liked the plot of this game, but I did not like it as a game. I have not played the second one.

tiredofsametab@kbin.run on 17 May 2024 13:00 collapse

Same. Something I can play, save anywhere to deal with life, and pick back up when time allows. I was one of those weirdos who really enjoyed Doom 3 when it came out (with the ducttape mod; that was one mechanic I didn't like) and grew up on old Commodore, Amiga, and PC single-player games and NES/SNES/Genisis RPGs. I want that again.

Kyrgizion@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 13:37 next collapse

Whatever it ends up being, I’m not interested. Never cared for competitive gaming. Sad that Valve has decided to use part of their enormous talent pool for, well, this while almost any genre would’ve been better.

Also, this is already a highly saturated niche. I don’t doubt Valve’s technical prowess and knowhow to develop a game that can surpass all the other ones in quality, but a gilded turd is still a turd under that gold leaf, even if it’s technically the best turd in the world.

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 17 May 2024 16:43 next collapse

That’s unfortunate that it’s not a genre you personally are interested in, but it is a popular genre and Valve is a business. Just because it’s not to your tastes doesn’t mean it’s a waste of their talent.

Kyrgizion@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 17:02 next collapse

Oh absolutely. I’m not conceited enough to imagine Valve is developing games for me or that I’m entitled to anything. Just venting my personal disappointment with their choice. I still consider them the cream of the crop in game and hardware development.

Peffse@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 17:54 collapse

I’m just curious why Valve looked at the oversaturated hero shooter market (seriously, we’ve had failures 8 years ago now) and said “Oh yeah, let’s devote our resources there”

edit: Like, I seriously can’t understand it. Not even Blizzard is coming out unscathed from Overwatch 2.

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 17 May 2024 19:09 collapse

Not even Blizzard is coming out unscathed from Overwatch 2.

Overwatch 2 didn’t fall because it’s a hero shooter

Peffse@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 22:00 collapse

this is where you say “It failed because…”

My assertion was that it was an imperfect hero shooter among many hero shooters. The more competition, the harder it is to enter a game.

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 17 May 2024 22:22 collapse

this is where you say “It failed because…”

Gestures broadly

Not really my responsibility to make an argument for you. Of all the reasons Overwatch 2 might not have performed well, it being a Hero Shooter doesn’t have any strong evidence and you didn’t provide anything showing that was the reason.

One could argue Overwatch 2 being a Hero Shooter is why it didn’t perform worse than it already has, given its problems.

Peffse@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 22:58 collapse

Here you go. Reasons the hero shooter aspect is not working.

Blizzard’s Approach To Balancing in Overwatch 2 is Not Working

Overwatch 2 Cancels PvE Hero Mode, Reveals Seasons 5-7 Roadmap

Overwatch 2 players demand “faster” balancing fixes as ‘one-shot’ heroes run rampant

Overwatch 2 Is Failing Its Way Into Reinventing Overwatch 1

Overwatch 2 support role feels stale and needs a shake up, say fans

Overwatch 2 Dev Team Calm on Declining Player Engagement

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 18 May 2024 02:08 collapse

  1. Blizzard is bad at balancing the game - could be true of any game, doesn’t have to be a shooter

  2. Blizzard cancels promised mode - Blizzard being bad at design and following through on promises.

  3. See 1.

  4. Forcing a game to become the sequel, not making meaningful changes other than monetization

  5. See 1

  6. Blizzard made a bad game

None of these are a result of Overwatch 2 being a shooter, and all of them are a result of Blizzard being shit at making quality games, caring about players, and following through on promises. So thank you, you have done a fantastic job demonstrating that Overwatch 2 being a shooter is not the reason it didn’t perform well.

CosmoNova@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 09:14 collapse

Competitive online games have been Valve‘s focus for well over a decade so it‘s in line with their portfolio. If anything, Alyx was an outlier they only did because they have a headset to sell it with. I think they know what they‘re doing. Sucks for you to not be their target audience though because they are pretty good at making games.

Paradox@lemdro.id on 17 May 2024 13:40 next collapse

overwatch style

You mean team fortress style

VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 15:09 collapse

They had better call it Team Fortress 2 Episode 1.

WereCat@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 18:08 collapse

Team Fortress: Archimedes

Skepticpunk@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 19:12 next collapse

Team Fortress Alpha: Mercenaries’ Dreams

Donjuanme@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 21:47 collapse

Love my plushie, haven’t played but maybe 3-4 hours since acquiring it a decade ago, still have the plushie though.

lorty@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 13:49 next collapse

Why are people angry? This is exactly the kind of game valve has worked on for the last few years.

BurningnnTree@lemmy.one on 17 May 2024 14:18 next collapse

I’m not angry, but I’m tired of live service esports games. Also the last time Valve arrived late to a trend (Artifact) it didn’t turn out well.

graymess@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 17:33 next collapse

Holy shit, I forgot about Artifact lol.

Skepticpunk@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 19:14 collapse

Technically, HL1 was Valve arriving late to a trend. (FPSes)

scops@reddthat.com on 17 May 2024 14:26 next collapse

Because many of us remember before that, when Valve revolutionized the single player first person genre again and again with the Portal and mainline Half-Life games.

Any other dev would have capitalized on the massive interest in a sequel or at least sold off the property so someone else could have continued those franchises.

fpslem@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 16:16 collapse

Yep. sigh I guess I’ll go replay Portal 2 again. It really is fantastic, I should be happy that we got it when we did.

micka190@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 16:54 collapse

Imagine downvoting someone for saying they’re going to replay one of the best single player games of all time.

yamanii@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 14:41 collapse

The valve of yesteryear would’ve a great single player campaign to go together with the multiplayer, just like Half-Life.

3volver@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 13:54 next collapse

Ugh, as if we don’t have enough of this kind of game already. SMITE 2 and Marvel Rivals are coming soon. Valve for fucks sake, look at how well Half Life: Alyx did. I seriously hope they’re working on a future Half Life game or some new story driven style game at the very least. I’m calling it now, Deadlock is going to be another Artifact.

Katrisia@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 18:12 collapse

SMITE isn’t a shooter, though. Overwatch 2 killed Overwatch and left an empty space. I don’t see a problem if two games (or more) try to fill it. I hope they are fun.

That said, it shouldn’t be Valve’s only focus if fans are expecting different games from them.

Defaced@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 13:58 next collapse

I really like what I see , and icefrog has been working on it for a long time. If he’s involved then I’m interested, the man created the moba genre and IMO the best moba on the market.

rustyfish@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 14:07 next collapse

1000 IQ power move: Valve promotes a fake game with fake trailers and fake reviews.

Day of the release approaches.

People buy and fire it up.

Starting screen says “Half Life 3”.

Thousands die from a stroke.

DarkThoughts@fedia.io on 17 May 2024 14:33 next collapse

I'd like a HL3, but not yet another competitive pvp game. So not sure if that would be the right approach if they can't even hit the same target audience.

NielsBohron@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 16:25 collapse

I’m inclined to agree with you, but Valve doesn’t often miss

FreeFacts@sopuli.xyz on 17 May 2024 18:50 next collapse

Valve hasn’t released nothing but tech demos since Artifact, and that was a huge miss. And excluding Artifact, Valve hasn’t released nothing but tech demos in over a decade. So you could say Valve hasn’t hit the mark in over 10 years.

acedelgado@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 19:04 next collapse

Alyx came out 4 years ago, and is recognized as one of the best VR titles of all time. It's a full 15 hour game, so not a tech demo. I'd say that's a hit.

misanthropy@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 20:11 collapse

Alex is a tech demo designed to sell headsets.

It also was unplayable for me made me sick and I can play things like super hot or beat saber for hours

Opisek@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 06:41 collapse

Super Hot and Beat Saber don’t cause motion sickness. If you have no idea about how the different kinds of VR movement affect nausea and haven’t developed any VR legs, then that’s absolutely on you. Especially given that Alyx remains accessible to people prone to motion sickness by giving you the option for teleport locomotion and snap turning instead. I know my limits and while I can use smooth locomotion, I still use snap turning. Don’t blame the game if you don’t know your limits and it’s essentially your first VR game in which you don’t stay in a single spot.

TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee on 18 May 2024 01:50 next collapse

The double negatives hurt my heart here

FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 19:58 collapse

HL Alyx and Dota Underlords aren’t tech demos lol.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 18 May 2024 09:25 collapse

They don’t often shoot either. I would agree when they do shoot they tend to hit though. At minimum, it’ll be interesting to see what the studio with such a large stream of revenue finally decides to release. Even if it’s horrible, it’ll be a moment to remember.

Jax@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 17:51 next collapse

-1000 IQ, that’s an instant false advertising lawsuit slam dunk

rustyfish@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 18:10 next collapse

So we are back at normal 😎

RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 18:50 next collapse

As long as they don’t do pre-orders they’re fine.

mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 19:58 collapse

If it’s literally the first thing on startup, anyone annoyed can just refund it

perdvert@lemmynsfw.com on 17 May 2024 19:26 collapse

I might actually have some sort of cardiac event.

Coelacanth@feddit.nu on 17 May 2024 14:31 next collapse

I had a lot of good times and even more bad times with DotA over the years, until I finally freed myself from it years ago.

IceFrog being behind this backed by Valve bodes well, and I think the premise of an FPS/MOBA hybrid has promise, despite the market being insanely oversaturated already.

I’m not really interested in competitive games these days, but I hope it’ll be good to watch at least. Following The International was fun even after I quit DotA.

PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 15:44 collapse

Trust me the market could use some competition. The only thing that really comes close to OW is Paladins.

Sasquatch58@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 16:02 next collapse

My first thought was that Valve was basically making a Paladins clone.

micka190@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 16:49 collapse

Was gonna say. How is the hero shooter market over-saturated? There’s like 3 games that people actually know about, and like 2 of those are good/decent.

Coelacanth@feddit.nu on 17 May 2024 18:05 collapse

I could be mistaken, as I don’t really play competitive games anymore. I thought between Overwatch, Valorant, Apex, The Finals and what have you there was lots of stiff competition.

jjjalljs@ttrpg.network on 17 May 2024 14:55 next collapse

Isn’t an overwatch style hero shooter just team fortress 2? Now get off my lawn, I have clouds to tell at.

Maalus@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 15:49 collapse

Nah. TF2 is a shooter with 9 classes. People can double up on “soldier” for instance. A hero shooter has for one, a lot more classes / heroes (which comes from MOBAs), for two activated abilities on each hero which change the games significantly, and usually disables doubling up in competetive modes. You wouldn’t call Enemy Territory a hero shooter for instance.

spoopy@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 16:57 next collapse

Overwatch disabled doubling up well after launch, and only because they couldn’t or wouldn’t balance the game such that a 4 tank no DPS comp didn’t utterly cheese the game.

simple@lemm.ee on 17 May 2024 17:01 collapse

They brought it back as a gamemode called “open queue”, which nerfs tanks to be more in line with DPS.

Stamau123@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 18:10 collapse

So I guess in the end yes, it is tf2

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 19:22 next collapse

I think you can get there in TF2 when considering subclasses via weapons loadouts. Demoknight for instance is a completely different play style than normal pipe/sticky demoman.

jjjalljs@ttrpg.network on 17 May 2024 21:33 collapse

I stand by my assessment that overwatch is essentially team fortress 2 with a limit of one player per class and fewer game modes.

I don’t know the name of the trope, but it’s like when a cover gets more popular than the original. Except the person doing the cover (blizzard) is a huge scumbag.

Maalus@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 02:56 collapse

I mean, okay, people can claim that every fps is just Doom with extra steps, doesn’t make the distinction irrellevant though. Mobas are their own thing, they aren’t called RTS anymore. Same with hero shooters. Tf2 isn’t a hero shooter.

jjjalljs@ttrpg.network on 18 May 2024 14:57 collapse

If you set the server config to limit one player per class, and set the max team size to like 8, you basically have a hero shooter. That’s not an unusual config- some servers were just like that for years.

What’s missing ? “Each class has two powers” is an extremely specific metric I don’t think is a requirement for hero shooters, and even if it was you have the unique grenades on top of the more obvious “he can build a sentry, he can turn invisible”.

You could maybe argue there aren’t enough classes, but I don’t buy that. As long as you have enough for everyone on the team to play something different, you’re good. The characters in TF2 certainly have personality.

I knew someone who got really upset when I compared overwatch to TF2, but I think it was because they were emotionally invested in overwatch and felt bad when I was like “it’s kind of like this much older game I like more”. Saying the thing they love is kind of a knockoff made them feel bad.

Anyway. To your point. I wouldn’t call tf2 a hero shooter first. It’s not the best representation of the genre, probably. But to my point, I still stand by overwatch added very little on top of TF2. Most of Blizzard’s changes were changes in minor detail. It’s basically "more classes, fewer game modes, you can’t run your own server, and we’re going to try to sell you micro transactions "

Maalus@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 16:06 collapse

Just the fact that you need to go through so many mental gymnastics to prove your point shows it. Tf2 is not a hero shooter, get over it.

jjjalljs@ttrpg.network on 19 May 2024 01:10 collapse

It’s essentially a hero shooter. You shoot. It has heroes. I don’t know what else you want.

Maalus@lemmy.world on 19 May 2024 01:45 collapse

Going by that definition CS is a hero shooter.

jjjalljs@ttrpg.network on 19 May 2024 15:29 collapse

I’ve never played cs. Does it have different characters?

Lenny@lemmy.zip on 17 May 2024 17:55 next collapse

Competitive shooter

Brooo I just wanna chill and have fun and play some games.

n3m37h@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 18:16 next collapse

This is why I bought Hell Divers 2

Veraxus@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 18:20 collapse

Everyone needs some rock, and stone, and liberty in their lives.

n3m37h@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 18:59 next collapse

Maybe a few less fire tornadoes

// Fuck Hellmire

perdvert@lemmynsfw.com on 17 May 2024 19:24 collapse

AND Menkent!

slackassassin@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 20:05 collapse

Did I hear a Rock and Stone!?

Veraxus@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 21:17 collapse

For Karl!

urda@lebowski.social on 17 May 2024 22:22 collapse

We’re rich.

PHLAK@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 23:21 next collapse

Valve releasing a competitive game doesn’t prevent you from doing this. I for one am excited by the potential of this game. Then again, I’ve been playing Dota for 10 years so maybe I’m just a masochist.

JargonWagon@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 00:04 next collapse

This is what the Bronze rank is for. Join us.

catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works on 18 May 2024 05:20 collapse

Then don’t play competitive shooters lol? There are literally thousands of great games for you out there. Why are you even commenting on this post?

Lenny@lemmy.zip on 18 May 2024 13:36 collapse

Because some of us want a game from Valve that’s not competitive? There are literally thousands of us out here. Why do you even care?

catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works on 18 May 2024 14:41 collapse

Oh it HAS to be made by Valve. Ok cool?

Lenny@lemmy.zip on 18 May 2024 14:49 collapse

This post is about VALVE’s next game. Can’t you read?

catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works on 18 May 2024 16:04 collapse

Yes, the one that’s a competitive shooter right?

Veraxus@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 18:19 next collapse

Valves next game…

SQUEEEEEE!!!

it’s an Overwatch-style hero shooter

My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

sebinspace@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 20:51 next collapse

Won’t hurt to give it a shot, but I’ll be cautiously optimistic.

Donjuanme@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 21:45 next collapse

Man, I was taught “don’t judge a book by it’s cover” but you’re burying it by it’s genre, I hope you can experience new things once in a while .

[deleted] on 17 May 2024 23:54 next collapse

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Donjuanme@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 00:23 next collapse

Going to let an unannounced games rumored genre ruin your day?

Gamers need to set a better image of themselves.

[deleted] on 18 May 2024 03:03 collapse

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SkyezOpen@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 00:54 next collapse

Well, it’s valve, so honestly the odds of it being genre-defining in an already established genre? Pretty high, actually. Seriously, when is the last time valve put out a shit game?

Here’s hoping it helps OW2 finally die.

[deleted] on 18 May 2024 03:13 collapse

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SkyezOpen@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 11:27 collapse

Artifact

… OK name two!

/s

I honestly forgot about that piece of crap lol.

EatATaco@lemm.ee on 18 May 2024 01:26 collapse

It’s been many years, maybe even decades, since I liked a straight up turn-based single player RPG. I seriously can’t think of one that has sucked me in since FFX. I even tried Divinity Original Sin 2 after so much hype and good reviews from my friends. But I just didn’t like it.

However, Baldur’s Gate 3 sucked me in. According to steam, approaching 100 hours of playtime (although I’m sure there is a good chunk of time where I just walked away with the PC with it “paused.”)

I’m not saying you’ll like the game, I have no idea. But to already be convinced that you won’t like it based on pretty much the nothing we’ve got it terribly presumptuous.

[deleted] on 18 May 2024 03:09 next collapse

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EatATaco@lemm.ee on 18 May 2024 10:27 collapse

I’m not ordering pizza from a restaurant if I’ve eaten 12 pizzas before and never liked any of them.

I was very intentional with my language, and pointed out that we know pretty much nothing about the game, so claiming you know you won’t like it is h reasonable. This is nothing like having a pizza, not liking it, and then not getting that same pizza again. This is like not liking the pizza at one store, it’s much closer to saying you don’t like the pizza in one store, so you know you won’t like it in another. Still imperfect because it would be closer saying you’ve never had a pizza you like, so you won’t like the pizza in a new store, which is more reasonable because you have a lot of information about that pizza.

But we have virtually nothing about this game.

Veraxus@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 19:37 collapse

To be faaaaiiiiir… D:OS (both of them) make the age-old mistake of having really slow, uninteresting, prologuish RPG starts. It takes a solid 5h of powergaming or 10h+ of normal play to get past that hump. That’s the point where the story picks up and you have enough tools to start really taking advantage of the games sandbox.

With BG3 they really seemed to have learned their lessons.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 18 May 2024 09:17 next collapse

Edit:This was meant for the person above.

This seems reasonably different than the headline implies. It’s a hero shooter, in that there are classes based on heroes (like Team Fortress 2 as well). The gameplay is more moba it sounds like. I think I’ve only played one other moba shooter, and it failed quickly, so that’s different already.

It’s not a copy of OW, and even if it were it could still innovate. Half Life might be a “Doom Clone”, but it did stuff no one had done before. There’s plenty of innovation potential without inventing a new genre. Even if you do create a new genre, it’s probably still just evolution of existing things. No one ever has an original idea. It’s always inspired by their environment.

Veraxus@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 19:49 collapse

I hate beets. HATE them. I will eat durian, thousand-year eggs, stinky tofu, and a million other things that most people won’t touch… but beets? Fuck beets. Their sweet-yet-earthy funk is like a dead animal that has just started to decompose. I don’t care if they are cooked, pickled, or stewed in borscht… hate them and won’t touch them. They ruin everything they touch.

This is like that. They are cooking with lots of beet-like ingredients. Some people will love that. But as for me…I hate it… I hate just everything about it… and I hate it because I’ve experienced all those ingredients before. Over and over and over again. What they are making is for a very particular crowd, and I am not part of said crowd.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 18 May 2024 09:20 collapse

This seems reasonably different than the headline implies. It’s a hero shooter, in that there are classes based on heroes (like Team Fortress 2 as well). The gameplay is more moba it sounds like. I think I’ve only played one other moba shooter, and it failed quickly, so that’s different already.

It’s not a copy of OW, and even if it were it could still innovate. Half Life might be a “Doom Clone”, but it did stuff no one had done before. There’s plenty of innovation potential without inventing a new genre. Even if you do create a new genre, it’s probably still just evolution of existing things. No one ever has an original idea. It’s always inspired by their environment.

Veraxus@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 19:30 collapse

All fair points, and given the way Valve operates (like a free collective) this would only happen if there were some really passionate people leading and working on it.

That said, it’s still a mix of things I just really do not have any interest in. Competitive online game, esports focused, MOBA-like, PvP, hero shooter… that’s a whole lot of hard no-thanks from me.

I’d love some new light-narrative single player and/or co-op stuff from them, though.

Ghyste@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 19:03 next collapse

Dammit.

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 17 May 2024 19:13 next collapse

Sounds boring.

curiousPJ@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 19:27 next collapse

Somehow I get the feeling Valve still had some lingering feelings about the failure of Valve’s TF2 comp and they’re trying to right their wrongs.

MustrumR@kbin.social on 17 May 2024 19:41 next collapse

I, for once am excited. I didn't buy Overwatch since I was deeply disappointed in Blizzard, after D3. Then the whole pandering to CCP and Blitzchung fiasco happened and that cemented my decision.

I didn't play Valor ant since I don't enjoy having a Chinese kernel level spyware on my PC.

So this may be something that can satisfy my itch.

Thcdenton@lemmy.world on 17 May 2024 20:28 next collapse

You know this sounds like battleborn and i miss battleborn. I’m kinda excited.

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works on 17 May 2024 20:56 next collapse

So Team Fortress 3

Laser@feddit.de on 17 May 2024 21:35 next collapse

One might think so, but the number 3 in the potential title makes this highly unlikely.

DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works on 18 May 2024 02:03 next collapse

No, no, that’s not how this works. No 3s, them’s the rules.

enleeten@discuss.online on 18 May 2024 02:46 next collapse

No, Counterstrike 2: Good Edition.

aciDC14@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 08:17 next collapse

Team Fortress 2.5

wax@feddit.nu on 18 May 2024 10:47 collapse

Team Fortress: Alyx

DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works on 18 May 2024 02:02 next collapse

Fuck it, I’m down (unless it’s a moba, then no thanks)

wafflez@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 06:48 next collapse

Rejects all cookies on website

Website image:

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/405d2a45-a219-4dbb-8c07-51d739926b3f.jpeg">

lorkano@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 07:52 next collapse

Rip, in EU they cannot force targeting cookies so we can see

HATEFISH@midwest.social on 18 May 2024 12:48 collapse

VPN to EU countries for all general article reading it is then. Fuck this is getting obnoxious.

echodot@feddit.uk on 18 May 2024 12:54 collapse

It’s the EU’s fault and their stupid ill thought out law. Even they admit that it’s bad, and it’s only made things worse.

HATEFISH@midwest.social on 18 May 2024 15:11 next collapse

I don’t mean the banner ads for cookies, I’m referring to sites restricting viewable content based on your selection. Which seems to be illegal in the EU.

HereIAm@lemmy.world on 19 May 2024 18:19 collapse

Who are these “they” that has admitted it’s a bad law?

It’s one of the best recent pieces of privacy legeslation. It’s not the EU’s fault that websites are scumbags insisting on making life difficult for people.

echodot@feddit.uk on 19 May 2024 18:35 collapse

Yes it is. They completely failed to specify what would constitute compliance. They were warned repeatedly about this when the law first came out.

It has good intentions behind it but the law itself doesn’t work. They haven’t reduced privacy violations at all because everyone just clicks yes because it’s so frustrating, And it isn’t against the law to implement these dark patterns so what’s the point?

woelkchen@lemmy.world on 19 May 2024 08:42 collapse

The Newscast is not the images. It’s an annoying video they embed in all articles and then floats when you scroll. I actually have set an adblock rule to block that shit.

As for the images, for now hotlinking to Twitter images is possible, so:

<img alt="" src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNwD7T6WoAA2XIx?format=jpg&name=4096x4096#img.jpg">

<img alt="" src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNwD7RMXQAAuSJ_?format=jpg&name=large#img.jpg">

<img alt="" src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNwD7T2WsAA2i_i?format=jpg&name=900x900#img.jpg">

<img alt="" src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNwD7UCXgAAPMTc?format=jpg&name=4096x4096#img.jpg">

Rakonat@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 07:17 next collapse

Me reading the headline: “Why would Valve make a porn shooter?”

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 18 May 2024 09:11 collapse

Seeing the Steam store lately I’m honestly surprised there isn’t a porn shooter. Imagine if someone went all in making an OW ripoff, but committed to making adult skins. Think about how much money that could make.

CosmoNova@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 09:03 next collapse

Team Fortress th-… 2: episode 1?

Crikeste@lemm.ee on 18 May 2024 12:24 next collapse

I wonder how many loot boxes will be made and how many lives ruined….

echodot@feddit.uk on 18 May 2024 12:57 next collapse

Calling things an OverWatch style shooter is a bit like calling every first person shooter a Doom clone. Just call it a hero shooter I know what a hero shooter is. You don’t need to compare it to another game.

It’s bad enough that the term a “roguelike” exists, I can guarantee that hardly anyone who plays them has ever actually played rogue, and fair enough since it’s ancient, so they have no idea if the game they’re playing is like it or not.

Soggy@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 15:40 next collapse

“Roguelike” has also become very watered down. I see “roguelite” used less often, though it’s more accurate, but there isn’t a good alternative term right now. Turn-based-dungeon-crawler-with-permadeath is historically accurate but there’s a tendency to lump action games like Rogue Legacy and Enter the Gungeon in that needs to be accounted for.

(And no I haven’t played Rogue but I did play a bunch of NetHack)

BluesF@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 19:57 collapse

Overwatch is a particularly successful Team-Fortress-like

PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com on 18 May 2024 15:28 next collapse

But when’s Half Life 3 coming out?

PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee on 18 May 2024 19:57 collapse

Never, at this point half life 3 failing would do more damage to the steam sales platform than half life 3 succeeding could make in a million years

SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 23:25 next collapse

I don’t see how that would damage anything though? It’s not like people would stop using steam if hl3 is bad. That’s ridiculous.

Shadowedcross@lemmy.world on 19 May 2024 01:50 next collapse

It might make Valve unlikely to make another game and a lot of people, including myself, would be hugely disappointed but I don’t think it would have any major negative effects beyond those two.

Duamerthrax@lemmy.world on 19 May 2024 03:54 collapse

You also can’t MTX a Half Life 3 game to hell and back. Years ago, I knew the next Half Life game would be VR. They’ve always used the Half Life games to showcase new tech or models(the Episodes). Didn’t realize it would be VR Exclusive or a prequel.

At least the community has given up and is producing their own sequels and spinoffs.

Rooskie91@discuss.online on 18 May 2024 15:36 next collapse

JESUS CHRIST JUST MAKE HALF LIFE 3 AND PORTAL 3 WHAT ARE YOU DOING VALVE?!?!

AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee on 19 May 2024 01:41 collapse

At this point, we have some absolutely impressive Portal 2 mods that, in my opinion, definitely make up for not having Portal 3. We’ve got Tag (the paint gun mod), Thinking With Portals (a short one that gives you the ability to create a clone thing that copies recorded actions), and I’ve been playing through one I just found out about called Revolution that is pretty cool so far.

I personally like to think that the fans have done a good enough job at creating mods and maps that a Portal 3 would be redundant.

Rooskie91@discuss.online on 19 May 2024 03:37 collapse

Damn I didn’t know portal had a mod community like that. I’ll check it out.

Duamerthrax@lemmy.world on 19 May 2024 03:56 collapse

Revolution is flat out better then most AAA retail games, both in quality and length.

Portal Stories: Mel is also something to try out. There’s some small references to Mel in Revolution, but playing Mel before Revolution isn’t necessary, but recommended.

Fedizen@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 15:38 next collapse

I thought overwatch was based on team fortress. Why not just a new team fortress?

Buttons@programming.dev on 18 May 2024 16:14 next collapse

Speaking of Valve games, why did I ever stop playing Left 4 Dead? I need to play that again.

FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 19:56 next collapse

This game doesn’t look terrible going off screenshots, but I’ll wait until an actual announcement. I’m hoping this may lead into them making more games in the future though.

Warjac@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 19:57 next collapse

It’s a Team Fortress Style Hero Shooter

Because it’s a Valve game

Because TF2 Inspired Overwatch

Get it right

mlg@lemmy.world on 18 May 2024 20:39 next collapse

Heavy Update plz

Volvo I beg

pikmeir@lemmy.world on 19 May 2024 09:01 collapse

Medic: “Later.”

Bruhh@lemmy.world on 19 May 2024 01:31 next collapse

The screenshots look like a MOBA such as Smite or Predecessor

FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today on 19 May 2024 03:49 collapse

If companies see titles like Overwatch and Fortnite and want to be MORE like that, then I’m just done with anything other than Indie Games and Singleplayer at this point.