Xbox consoles are now getting a fullscreen Xbox Game Pass Ultimate ad at boot, just a day after a 50% price hike was announced
from simple@piefed.social to games@lemmy.world on 02 Oct 17:17
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from simple@piefed.social to games@lemmy.world on 02 Oct 17:17
https://piefed.social/post/1328503
The fun never ends. Clearly xbox is failing so they are trying their hardest to extract as much money as possible from whoever still hasnt sold their console yet
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lmao imagine giving MS money in 2025
I mean, I’ll give them some money to activate developer mode so I can install emulators on my Xbox. I don’t need emulators on my Xbox but it’s gonna sit there doing nothing otherwise because I’m not paying for Gamepass
Why? It doesn’t cost them anything to flip that bit on hardware that you own.
If there’s a way to activate dev mode without paying them I don’t know about it
Sorry, my comment wasn’t clear. I’m just saying that it’s total bullshit that they would charge for that.
I’m in full agreement there, but at least it’s a small one-off payment to just use it the way I want to rather than playing cat-and-mouse with hacks and software updates
Huh? Just get an old Dell optiplex tower on Ebay or Craigslist and install Batocera on it. It’d probably cost a similar amount
I already own an Xbox, there’s no earthly way that buying an old anything would be cheaper than paying the small developer mode activation charge for the console I already have (bought second hand a few years ago from a friend who had used it 3 times)
I kinda wish I had a gamepass subscription so I could enjoy cancelling it, but alas, I’ve already cancelled everything.
Oh that is gonna piss people off.
Your ads are not gonna work the way you think they’ll work, when every person who sees them is gonna feel like it’s a middle finger.
They’re banking on people too young/old to know how to navigate past the screen to accidentally sign up for shit.
My one-year-old son accidentally got ahold of my TV remote and signed me back up for Netflix by pushing random buttons a month ago. Had to go through the TV and scour it of all the little pre-installed buy-me apps to make sure that couldn’t happen as easily again. Still not quite sure how to disable the “Netflix” button that’s built into the remote, shy of carving it out with a knife.
You might be able to open the remote and put a sticker over the netflix buttons contacts on the pcb
That’s a good idea. I’ll see if I can make it work.
If that doesn’t work check the board to see if you cant just drill through it.
Yes. And that shit is a one-way door.
Every customer you piss off the way you are pissed off, is A LOT less likely to be a return customer.
Sure. But a lot of the marketing is geared towards younger people unfamiliar with the service. I remember getting deluged with ads my freshman year of high school and again my freshman year of college, for instance.
They’re banking on their unsubscribe process being so obnoxious that they’ll lose fewer people than they gain, year to year. And given the steady growth of revenues for these programs, it appears to work over the long term.
Yeah, you’re pissing people off. But when everyone operates this way, it just becomes the standard for accessing this form of entertainment. Like ad reels before a movie starts. “Well, I just won’t go to the movies!” is a hollow protest in the midst of the crowds of people fighting to get into the theater.
Ok?
It’s not sustainable. Tricking people faster than they wise up to your BS is not a business model that leads to a healthy, content, customer base. And if it’s what EVERYONE does, you get an unhappy SOCIETY.
No-one will enjoy where that leads, and is already leading.
It’s a ratcheting mechanism. Unless something about capitalism changes SIGNIFICANTLY the masses will simply grow more and more discontent.
In the same way that slot machines and roulette wheels aren’t sustainable, sure. Once you figure out they’re a scam, you stop playing them.
But you don’t need to trick all the people all the time. You just need to trick enough people to turn a steady profit. Firms like Microsoft and EA have figured out a formula that’s worked for a long time and now they’re just running the playbook. Like any good bookie in Vegas, they make money off the suckers. And they reinvest a sizeable chunk of their profits into marketing to bring in new marks. And there’s always new marks.
There will be a dozen senior executives in a VIP lounge absolutely enjoying where this goes in another five or ten years.
If your market is small enough.
You bring up gambling. Its de-regulation and consequent proliferation via online casinos has made the problems it causes more likely to be addressed than ever.
The bigger your market grows, the more aware the cultural zeitgeist becomes, the more likely you are be ousted entirely.
A bookie in Vegas, one city, could keep running their casino forever, because there didn’t use to be a casino in every persons pocket, worldwide, that might’ve already taught every new mark to be wary.
You’d like to think so. But look at Robinhood. Five years ago, everyone was screaming about how it was a rigged game. Citadel Investments was manipulating the options markets. Fidelity was getting insider deals. Everything was rigged. People needed to protest. Close out your account. Yadda yadda yadda.
What happened after that? As far as I can tell, Robinhood is more popular than ever. They’re certainly more profitable than ever. There was never any reform or regulation. Mostly, Reddit and similar big name social media firms just purged all the whinners and inflated the profiles of the shills and hacks.
DraftKings has been making money hand over fist. They’re desperately trying to find new things for people to bet on. This isn’t one bookie in one city, it’s an international conglomerate that’s expanded its market share around the globe. It is a worldwide bookie.
No shortage of marks. They all keep coming back.
Why are you trying to convince me my omptimism is futile?
What good does that do?
You’re not wrong.
But all I’m doing here is saying “things can get better” and your replies are just you pointing out how bad things are right now, as if that proves the only way things can go, is to get worse.
The worse things get, the faster the number of people wanting to fix it will grow.
Am I wrong?
No shortage of marks you say?
Because they’re miserable and they want everyone else to be miserable too
Because optimism without realism is just a recipe for cynicism later on. The problem of systemic gambling won’t just fix itself.
Advertising and other propaganda creates a great deal of countervailing pressure.
Dude. I’m not on my way to cynicism. I’m past it.
If I didn’t believe change is possible, then I’d be part of the reason it isn’t happening.
Looking for, and pushing in the places it might occur, is how you help it come about.
How is that not realistic? What am I missing?
Does the way you argue, not contribute to maintaining the status quo, even as you agree that it is not desirable?
Did I say it would?
That is a very verbose concession of a point.
Remember when gamers found out Suicide Squad, which at one time did have real hype behind it, would be live service BS?
And people literally just didn’t play it.
People. Even entire demographics, can a do learn.
I honestly don’t. Was never a SS head.
But I’ll take your word for it
Well yeah. It was being developed by Rocksteady, beloved for the Arkham games.
But interest, despite the marketing, dropped off a cliff the second people smelled live service elements.
The game came out a died a quick death even more quietly than Concord.
What the fuck? Lol. They are not cartoony villains preying for the old and weak.
Somebody has made a calculation, that shows that they will make more money from people who takes the deal than they are going to loose money from people who get mad and leave their enviroment.
In the future they will do test how far they can go using a/b test and/or testing different markets.
It will work. Even if they get 10 new subscribers, it probably took them 20 minutes to whip up this splash screen. They’re wasting much more of your time. And people have proven time and time again that they will get outraged but they’ll never actually do anything about it. They won’t stop playing Xbox. They won’t stop buying games. People grow increasingly accepting of advertising and invasive business practices every day. Remember how angry everyone was at horse armor? Most people wouldn’t think twice about it these days. It’s so much worse now.
For now. But eventually they do. That’s how entire governments have fallen time and time again.
Indeed. People can get used to a lot. But being used to something isn’t the same as being ok with it. No-one I know is ok with there being ads on their tvs, phones and laptops. Living with something isn’t the same as accepting it. People are tolerating more BS than ever, but that doesn’t mean they wont rally the second there’s a way out of it.
I still am. So are many others. Remember when people thought NMS would be a good game on day one? Remember when Fallout 76 was going to be bigger and better than 4? Remember Concord? Remember when Overwatch was going to have a story?
Suicide Squad.
There was real hype. The second people found out it was a live service, they simply didn’t play.
Every fuckup, is another portion of the masses getting the memo. And the fuckups aren’t stopping. If anything there’s more of them than ever.
These corporations used to be afraid of looking bad, but mistakes happen. Except when they did, and stocks didn’t suddenly implode, their takeaway was they could be horrible, and still make a profit. Because yeah, most people don’t learn the first time. But what about the second? Or the third? Or the tenth?
If you ask me, given time, the one thing every person on this planet can do, is learn. Eventually.
The only reason Roblox and Fortnite keep growing is that there are markets they haven’t penetrated. Finding new customers faster than the old ones leave doesn’t work forever. There are only so many humans on this planet.
Meanwhile, indie games with actual passion behind them and fair business practices that still feed the mouths of the devs, without private equity firms in the middle sucking up all the value, are absolutely exploding.
XBOX is dying. MS won’t say it, but they are less involved in the game-industry than ever. This price hike is a death-throw. Not the next step in their master plan to dominate the market forever.
IMO, the only gaming mega-corporation with the goodwill to exist 20 years from now is Nintendo, and even they are burning through the nostalgia people have for them faster than ever before in their insanely long history.
Doesn’t matter if they’re okay with it or not, as long as they tolerate it and don’t do anything about it.
Sure but many many more have accepted it. Otherwise they never would have done it again.
Concord clearly had much bigger problems.
I remember Overwatch still being a wild success regardless.
We are on like 2905295734th now.
Indie game studios could only ever dream of achieving the heights of revenue of games like Fortnite, that survives entirely on microtransactions.
They are doing everything they can to screw their own customers and yet they pile in by the millions every time they have something new.
Not being happy about it is the first step on the road to doing something about it. How does that not matter?
Who is doing it again? I’m not.
Is it?
And? It takes as many times as it takes.
Why? There are absolutely indies who’ve made millions. Why is there zero chance that one day, the next Fortnite or Roblox comes from an indie?
It already happened at least once. Minecraft.
Yes. But again. It takes as many times as it takes.
You continue to view everything through your personal lens while turning a blind eye to the mountains of other people who don’t care. There are no amount of times before people will walk away en masse. That much is abundantly clear at this point.
People, fundamentally, care.
That’s like the whole point of having a hobby.
No-one games because they don’t care.
You won’t find anything people are more passionate about, than something they do for fun.
I’m not claiming that there’s some point where people magically come together and stick it to the megacorps.
I’m saying that if you consistently burn your fans in ways that result in them hating you, eventually, you wont have any.
That’s not something that happens overnight. A slow-ass process that leads to a gradual decline, which you can only put off by duping brand new people who haven’t sworn off ever purchasing your product again. But eventually, you run out of those, too.
Extremely scummy to not even list the price, but I shouldn’t be surprised since it appears they are going to milk whoever still has autosub on for an extra 10 bucks.
Companies using “Got It” to dismiss their invasive popups makes me so irrationally angry.
And I definitely didn’t “get it”, either. I buttoned through as fast as possible so I could use what I wanted to use.
I’m personally a big fan of doing the very tiny semi-transparent (X) that’s impossible to click on as far away from the “Yes, Please Digitally Fuck My Wallet Pussy” blinking blue bar at bottom center of the screen.
I hate “Maybe later” even more
They are all maybe later. Regardless of the wording…
Where’s the “Fuck off” option??
I’ve had to put “I don’t like deals” in a popup close button before. I hated working in web marketing.
well I don’t… it’s never a deal, and I’m usually forced to buy more and spend more in order to get that ‘deal’
Keepass2Android shows a pop-up each October asking for donations. Perfectly fine, but the dismiss button is labeled “I don’t like the app that much”. Even free software isn’t spared that sort of thing.
(The pop-up also breaks the fingerprint reader prompt for extra annoyance)
I switched to KeePassDX for this reason among others.
App -> Display -> Never ever ask for a donation
You got a love how out of touch these marketers are. They really do think that they understand gamers while sitting in meetings at the Redmond campus.
Oh we had mass cancellations yesterday! War room, what do we do?
Full page ad?
Brilliant! Gamers will obviously see the value and be grateful for it. Maybe now we won’t all be laid off by papa Satya
I’m a pessimist. The price increase won’t hurt them unless they lose more than 33% of the user base. Which is a big number of people choosing to change a habit/lifestyle.
Even if they do lose that amount, they could walk back the 50% and wait a few months and “only” increase it by 20%. People will feel good that they owned the big corpo and the big corpo still manages to increase profit.
Head over to LinkedIn and contact the culprit directly. Choose your words wisely, as they’ll certainly block you before you can get to your second barrage of abuse.
Not content with shooting themselves in one foot, they go for the other. Knees are next, for those wondering.
Do you get this once or on every boot?
who cares… it’ll always end up with more and more and more. stop giving any justification to companies for this bullshit. don’t even question it anymore, one ad is more then enough to throw the thing in the trash and never consider them a source of entertainment ever again.
Not justifying it, something that I paid for should not show ads. But there isn’t a current mainstream console that doesn’t have ads, so getting it once would still be better than getting it on every boot.
getting it once and not pushing back, means you’ll get it twice… then three times… then anytime you boot. then anytime you load a game, then while you’re playing a game.
you’re being raped and justifying it because ‘it could be worse’
like you said, something you paid for should not show ads, yet it is…
My Steam Deck doesn’t serve me ads. Not even the on-boot sale pop up that desktop Steam gives.
its interface puts anything steam related to the top, so in a sense it is advertising itself.
Let’s say you’re planning to get Silksong. You could buy it off from GOG by switching to desktop mode, running Heroic, searching back the game and buy it. Alternatively you can just search it on Steam and buy there with no previous steps.
You can turn that one on desktop off, btw
Shocking my SteamDeck and Linux PC give me zero ads.
Very likely once…in a while, like that stupid fullscreen win11 ads on win10.
These Full Screen ads are the reason I do not own a Xbox Series X and I’m not upgrading to Windows 11.
I’m turning on my console to do use it for streaming or gaming. Anything that gets in the way of going to be vilified.
…and they want to compete with the Steam Deck?
It’s nice to see the LCD Deck get discounted, if only to relive the old days when consoles got cheaper instead of more expensive as time went on. I almost wanted to buy another one out of principle, even though I don’t have use for more than one.
I lowkey considered getting a second SD, just to keep it plugged into my TV 24/7. I cart mine back and forth from work and home, and the minor inconvenience of packing it into my bag each morning had me considering a second purchase.
But then I remembered I’m fucking broke.
I rarely boot up my Xbox anymore. Is it bad that I’m thinking about buying the games I already own on Xbox, on a different system just to avoid using the Xbox at all?
Edit to clarify
If they’re single-player can’t you just disconnect from the internet? I haven’t turned on my xbox in 4 years. I remember the day clearly: I wanted to replay Call of Duty 4 and the xbox told me I had to buy the new Remastered version in order to play. Bitch I already paid for the game, why would I buy it again?? Turned off, never to be seen again.
Counterpoint: yar har fiddle dee dee
stop paying for xbox & microsoft stuff, your conscience will thank you
I actually stepped my subscription tier down because of the price increase on Ultimate. Wasn’t worth the 50% jump for me.
I did too. As much as I hate MS, Xbox live is really our only way to play with our friends (who live all over the world because my husband is a night owl). I got Ultimate for giggles and it turned out my husband games so much it was a good deal. It’s definitely not at the new price. I personally have only used the console to play Minecraft over the last two years since I can’t get Bedrock on my steam deck without some major fuckery.
Why not just have a button that says “give us more money, you fat piece of shit?”
That’s currently in QA as we speak… Slated to go live Q1 2026.
I hadn’t even turned on my Xbox One in almost a year until I helped my brother set one up for his game room this past week.
Every time you go to play a game, it brings up an entire pop-up that looks like the store page for whatever you’re trying to play, then you press “play.” Like, it was entirely unnecessary adding an extra popup screen asking if yes, that’s the game I want to play.
Yeah, I play all the time and noticed this just a few weeks back. I fuckin hate it
You can disable that
Thanks for this. So annoying.
Xbox has been dead since the launch of series x. Sell it and get off the train before the systems worth nothing.
Lol add on xbox. Is it possible to add a ad guard DNS to it block these like with Samsung tv?
There is no way an Xbox would continue to work after blocking MS servers
Depends on the host name, I’m sure there is a PiHole blocklist out in the wild but likely only targets telemetry.
If it connects to the internet, you can change the DNS to whatever you want it to be. If Tim over at Apple had his way I’m sure he’d force his ‘i’ devices to use a “Secure Apple DNS Pro™️” server.
“Please drink a verification can of Mt Dew Game Fuel™ and belch your Social Security number to continue”
50% price hike means Microsoft is basically betting that less than 1/3 of the current subscribers will cancel. Microsoft is also betting that some will not cancel but just downgrade to lower tier instead. If more than 2/3 of the subscriber remain a subscriber then Microsoft will come out ahead.
lmfao ads on boot on a console you bought?
that’s so fucked. glad I’m not getting back into console gaming
Oh boy wait until I tell you about windows 11™ and all its amazing features!
Running SteamOS on my living room gaming PC. There are more options than windows 11.
I also just installed pop os on my 2021 laptop that was struggling with windows 11. It breathed new life into it. The computer is now as snappy as when I first got it
I’m gonna have to “upgrade” at work soon and it’s going to suck
I got a new computer with win11 a year or so ago. I made them buy me a win10 license because I couldn’t do my job anymore. fucking file explorer doesn’t even work on win11. astounding
Surprised this isn’t like three verification cans.
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I used to get something like all the time, even when I already paid for Game Pass.