scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
on 23 Aug 2023 16:27
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PlayStation Portal is the ideal device for gamers in households where they may need to share their living room TV or simply want to play PS5 games in another room of the house.
Okay I can see there being a niche there, mom and dad want to watch a movie but Jr wants to play games. I don’t know if that’s a huge market, but okay
According to the description, PlayStation Portal is only a Remote Play device and will not allow access to cloud streaming of games on PlayStation Plus Premium. As a result, in order for the PlayStation Portal to function properly, players must own PS5 hardware.
This however seems like a massive lost opportunity. Like Steam Link I assume you could choose which device to stream from, and with companies being huge on the “reoccurring revenue” train this seems like it could have added a ton of value to the device and at the same time increased their subscriptions. It would have gone from a “at home only toy for a niche market” to “pretty much anyone who has a PS5 at home and/or travels”
There are definitely times when either my kids or my wife is watching something and I’d rather be gaming so I think I’d probably use something like this. However, last time I tried a remote play solution from Sony the lag was brutal, so I’m a bit skeptical.
echo64@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 17:01
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They are just talking about you not being able to stream ps3 games. That’s all they are saying.
pjhenry1216@kbin.social
on 23 Aug 2023 17:12
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Can one use the cloud streaming via their PS5?
Edit: also I don't think it's that niche. I see this being a common occurrence in any household with only one high end TV and more than one person who wants to use it. The price point isn't much more than a controller and a screen to begin with. They should sell the remote play hardware without the screen (just hdmi out) and controller (just include a bluetooth chip to allow controller pairing) at a lower price point to appeal to a wider market (cause portability in the household seems less useful, but just using another TV seems more common)
Aielman15@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2023 08:34
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It certainly is a common occurrence, but I don’t see many households dropping another $200 on top of the cost of the PS5. If this existed back in the days, my parents would have told me to either play something else/go outside, or move the console to my room.
Astroturfed@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 17:18
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My experience with steam link was… Really bad. I also tried the stadia, terrible. Unless things have changed very recently streaming game tech just isn’t there yet.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
on 23 Aug 2023 18:15
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Streaming steam has gotten better, but it really depends on the game. I’d never play a twitch shooter like counter strike on it, but before the Deck I’d stream the Witcher from my home PC to my tiny travel laptop and it was playable. Never as a primary driver though
I’ve used remote play to play a casual / non-story game while watching Sports or some other background noise show on my TV more times than I can count. This is perfect for me.
argo_yamato@lemm.ee
on 23 Aug 2023 16:36
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Playing on it so someone else can watch TV is great but has no value outside your home if it relies on your PS5. For gaming like this I will stick with the Switch.
Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 16:42
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I use my Switch exclusively for this. If this handheld can eliminate lag, I’d love to get it. But it’s priced a bit too high.
Uprise42@artemis.camp
on 23 Aug 2023 16:48
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Feels like PlayStations version of the Wii U not the switch
Except without the GamePad's uses for giving one player exclusive information in local multiplayer or the touch screen actually being used in games.
Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 16:59
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There’s a a hands on post that says it will work outside the house. It just needs to be on a wifi network still.
Astroturfed@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 17:14
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Not to mention all the same utility can be had with say a small TV or computer monitor and like a HDMI switcher for a little over $100. Maybe less if you find a good deal. I had a Wii U. The gimmick of the controller screen got old fast and it sucked pretty hard overall. Not looking to retry that failed concept.
Even comparing it to the WiiU, at least some games took advantage of using both screens.
This is just the tablet as a single screen, with none of the utility.
whygohomie@reddthat.com
on 24 Aug 2023 09:01
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Yup. That and, if a little more distance or wireless is needed, you can remote play to android/ios devices via PSPlay w/ dual sense and 3rd party controller support.
This is basically the non-techie or expensive taste version of the remote play experience as the WiiU screen added more functionality than mirroring.
paultimate14@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2023 12:31
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I already use Chiaki on my Deck to play my PS4/PS5.
Sometimes my wife is using the TV for something else. Sometimes I want to be out on the porch, or in bed. Sometimes I just don’t want to put my glasses on.
This thing has a better screen and, for PS5 in particular, better controller features than the Deck.
It’s a bit pricey, but not as bad as I was expecting. If it goes on sale I’ll be tempted to grab it.
Weird that PlayStation named their device the Portal and valve didn’t though lol.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Aug 2023 16:48
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Sony making their own Wii-U tablet but with less functionality?
Seems like a great idea, totally worked out for Nintendo
TesterJ@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 17:41
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Didn’t the Wii-U mostly fail because most people didn’t know what it was? The marketing and name were terrible and plenty of people thought it was just a Wii add-on or something.
The console itself was actually pretty cool, playing Wind Waker on it was great.
EvilBit@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 18:10
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The Wii U was built around a fundamentally flawed premise that more screens = better experience. People can only pay attention to one screen at a time, and giving just one player at the console a personal additive screen in their hands doesn’t provide much meaningful benefit. The most widely appreciated feature of the system was simply the ability to play elsewhere in your home instead of in front of the TV, which is why they leaned hard into that portability with the Switch.
Edit: that said, the name and marketing were absolute disasters too.
Grangle1@lemm.ee
on 23 Aug 2023 18:37
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Yeah, I never bought into the line that people were confused that a Wii U was a Wii add-on. That’s never been a major problem for similarly named consoles before and anyone I knew all knew it was a separate thing. I think that focus on having to pay attention to two screens, as you said, as well as the severe under-powering for a home console of its generation and an abysmal launch lineup of games, all leading to an abysmal launch for the console itself and third parties deciding pretty quickly to mostly bail on it, led to its relative failure.
That said, I still have my Wii U and also have fond memories of playing it. Say what you will about the severe lack of 3rd party support, Nintendo themselves put some great quality games on it: all the Zelda games (including Hyrule Warriors and the BotW port), Smash Bros 4, the original Mario Kart 8, Mario Maker, 3D World, DKC Tropical Freeze, the list goes on. Sega was pretty kind to them too for a 3rd party: Bayonetta 2, TMS #FE (underrated, IMO, good TMS/Persona style gameplay even if its story is goofy… Expected more actual FE-related content though), the quantity of Sonic games (if not quality).
EvilBit@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 18:43
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I guarantee that SOME people were confused about whether it was its own console or not - I just couldn’t say if it was enough people to make a significant difference. Frankly, it was a dumb name and a poorly marketed device that didn’t have the means to command a news cycle through power, exclusives, or an instantly compelling use case. I think it’s basically a huge swing and a miss on Nintendo’s part.
But Nintendo also has the uncanny ability to release incredible games on anything. They could release a 3-button, motion-controlled, tethered monocle game system with a smartwatch chipset and I’d give you 70% odds they launch with a game that has an unforgettable amount of charm and joy infused in it.
Back when it launched I literally saw a TV news channel demoing it as part of a “Christmas gadgets” segment call it a peripheral for the Wii. They also called Skylanders a board-game.
When you got a fountain of money by getting boomers into gaming, flubbing the branding of the sequel is a massive own-goal.
Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2023 00:34
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Not to be ‘well ashkually’ but I mean is it? People use dual and tri monitor setups for PCs all the time. Also while smart phones didn’t have as much wide spread usage as they do now, it isn’t uncommon for people to be watching something on their TV and messing with their phone at the same time. Maybe it wasn’t flawed so much as just a bit ahead of it’s time.
Both phone usage and PC multi-monitor usage are completely different use cases of productivity and multitasking. Most gaming, especially on console, is a strictly single-taking experience. You don’t need to do things like copy and paste on a game console. And how often do you use your phone while playing a game on your console? The Wii U asserted that it was useful to give a video game two simultaneous screens in different positions. These are many reasons why this wasn’t “ahead of its time” and why the Wii U is considered an overall miss.
Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2023 05:04
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When I did play consoles honestly a fair bit when I needed a YouTube walk through. I guess I’m weird though since I like watching TV while playing games.
That’s fair. But the Wii U wasn’t designed for playing single screen games while watching YouTube, really. Your phone already covers that.
Nefyedardu@kbin.social
on 23 Aug 2023 18:50
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For me personally, Wii U was the worst console purchase I've ever made lol. If it wasn't for Smash, Mario Maker and Nintendoland with friends every once in a while I never would have turned it on. I honestly had way more fun with the Vita.
I didn’t like mine and subsequently didn’t buy many games for it because of its over reliance on the game pad, and the game pad draining its battery over night if not plugged in.
Can’t access settings without the game pad, the game pad checked for updates and content way too often so the battery drained am quite often over night. Along with again, over reliance on the game pad where a lot of games I wanted to play, it was primarily built around the pad so controllers didn’t feel natural for the games
AvaAmazing@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 Aug 2023 23:14
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It’s not really fair to compare it to the wii u because the wii u was a handheld console while this is basically a hand held gaming streaming device. The wii u is more compared to other handheld consoles/computers like the steam deck or Asus rog ally.
echo64@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 17:02
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I was on board with this for 150, 200 is just too much for it though
mindbleach@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 17:08
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Honestly, dumb as this sounds, they can’t lose. It’s not a platform. There’s no infrastructure. It doesn’t even do cloud streaming, for some reason; it is 100.0% dependent on your hardware and your network. If Sony went bankrupt tomorrow, this gizmo would still work. If the hardware’s sold at a comfortable profit and they’re not gambling anything on its success, why wouldn’t they launch this ridiculous object? They don’t care if you don’t buy it.
Oh my God you idiots just bring back the Xperia Play how hard is that???
mindbleach@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 21:18
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Genuinely as hard as “bring back the NGage.” Nobody wants to buy a smartphone that’s also a console platform. There’s no three-year contract required, and AT&T doesn’t get to micromanage the dashboard, but it’s still two wildly different commitments for no sufficient benefit. It means being stuck with a wonky smartphone on a longer console lifecycle and overpaying for a console with all the limitations of a smartphone.
By contrast - this is a controller with a screen in it. That’s all. Why wouldn’t they sell that? What’s the downside, for them? You buy another accessory priced well beyond its material costs, you provide all the electricity and electronics necessary for it to do anything, and they don’t care if you ever play games on it. It’s not lashed to the success of yet another online store. It’s not even a vehicle for recurring subscription fees. It’s a dongle for another toy. They have no incentive to force it to catch on. If it doesn’t sell - they’ll just stop.
Player2@sopuli.xyz
on 23 Aug 2023 18:04
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I think they misunderstood what about the steam deck is making it popular
keeb420@kbin.social
on 23 Aug 2023 18:06
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im more interested in the ear buds they announced. planar drivers for $200 or the over the ear with a mic for $150 are good deals afaik.
Soulyezer@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2023 22:53
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For 100€ more you can get a steam deck. Just saying
BorgDrone@lemmy.one
on 24 Aug 2023 08:13
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For 100 more you can have a smaller screen with lower resolution, no adaptive triggers, no haptics. What a deal!
I love my steam deck but for streaming PS5 games this seems far superior.
Hazdaz@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2023 04:13
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There’s no way that Sony of all companies could have charged less money for it. Goes to show how aggressive Valve priced the Steamdeck.
Guntrigger@feddit.ch
on 24 Aug 2023 09:27
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I see a lot of comparisons to steam deck but none to Xbox.
You can literally use any phone or tablet for the same function as this with an Xbox, in addition to cloud streaming most game pass games without needing an Xbox at all.
If we saw Microsoft releasing an identical device I bet there wouldn’t be a single person defending it.
You can also use any phone or tablet to remote play on PS5.
What you’re buying here is convenience. A dedicated device with the exact same controller setup as an actual PS5, with the same features (haptics, triggers) and a nice screen with basically plug and play setup.
paultimate14@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2023 12:26
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The article doesn’t seem to mention what OS this has, but if the earlier leaks are correct and it’s android, you could even use this to do that very same Xbox streaming.
BorgDrone@lemmy.one
on 24 Aug 2023 09:33
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What I haven’t seen anyone mention yet: Since the Remote Play protocol is already reverse engineered (since there are open source remote play clients like Chiaki), it would not seem difficult to create a 3rd party Remote Play server for use on any PC. You could use this to stream your PC games on.
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Aug 2023 10:05
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Its way too specific and i am way too busy to run arouns with this thing
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Okay I can see there being a niche there, mom and dad want to watch a movie but Jr wants to play games. I don’t know if that’s a huge market, but okay
This however seems like a massive lost opportunity. Like Steam Link I assume you could choose which device to stream from, and with companies being huge on the “reoccurring revenue” train this seems like it could have added a ton of value to the device and at the same time increased their subscriptions. It would have gone from a “at home only toy for a niche market” to “pretty much anyone who has a PS5 at home and/or travels”
There are definitely times when either my kids or my wife is watching something and I’d rather be gaming so I think I’d probably use something like this. However, last time I tried a remote play solution from Sony the lag was brutal, so I’m a bit skeptical.
They are just talking about you not being able to stream ps3 games. That’s all they are saying.
Can one use the cloud streaming via their PS5?
Edit: also I don't think it's that niche. I see this being a common occurrence in any household with only one high end TV and more than one person who wants to use it. The price point isn't much more than a controller and a screen to begin with. They should sell the remote play hardware without the screen (just hdmi out) and controller (just include a bluetooth chip to allow controller pairing) at a lower price point to appeal to a wider market (cause portability in the household seems less useful, but just using another TV seems more common)
It certainly is a common occurrence, but I don’t see many households dropping another $200 on top of the cost of the PS5. If this existed back in the days, my parents would have told me to either play something else/go outside, or move the console to my room.
My experience with steam link was… Really bad. I also tried the stadia, terrible. Unless things have changed very recently streaming game tech just isn’t there yet.
Streaming steam has gotten better, but it really depends on the game. I’d never play a twitch shooter like counter strike on it, but before the Deck I’d stream the Witcher from my home PC to my tiny travel laptop and it was playable. Never as a primary driver though
No, it’s there. Just depends on what your Internet situation is and where you’re located.
I’ve used remote play to play a casual / non-story game while watching Sports or some other background noise show on my TV more times than I can count. This is perfect for me.
Playing on it so someone else can watch TV is great but has no value outside your home if it relies on your PS5. For gaming like this I will stick with the Switch.
I use my Switch exclusively for this. If this handheld can eliminate lag, I’d love to get it. But it’s priced a bit too high.
Feels like PlayStations version of the Wii U not the switch
Except without the GamePad's uses for giving one player exclusive information in local multiplayer or the touch screen actually being used in games.
There’s a a hands on post that says it will work outside the house. It just needs to be on a wifi network still.
Not to mention all the same utility can be had with say a small TV or computer monitor and like a HDMI switcher for a little over $100. Maybe less if you find a good deal. I had a Wii U. The gimmick of the controller screen got old fast and it sucked pretty hard overall. Not looking to retry that failed concept.
Even comparing it to the WiiU, at least some games took advantage of using both screens.
This is just the tablet as a single screen, with none of the utility.
Yup. That and, if a little more distance or wireless is needed, you can remote play to android/ios devices via PSPlay w/ dual sense and 3rd party controller support.
This is basically the non-techie or expensive taste version of the remote play experience as the WiiU screen added more functionality than mirroring.
I already use Chiaki on my Deck to play my PS4/PS5.
Sometimes my wife is using the TV for something else. Sometimes I want to be out on the porch, or in bed. Sometimes I just don’t want to put my glasses on.
This thing has a better screen and, for PS5 in particular, better controller features than the Deck.
It’s a bit pricey, but not as bad as I was expecting. If it goes on sale I’ll be tempted to grab it.
Weird that PlayStation named their device the Portal and valve didn’t though lol.
Sony making their own Wii-U tablet but with less functionality?
Seems like a great idea, totally worked out for Nintendo
Didn’t the Wii-U mostly fail because most people didn’t know what it was? The marketing and name were terrible and plenty of people thought it was just a Wii add-on or something.
The console itself was actually pretty cool, playing Wind Waker on it was great.
The Wii U was built around a fundamentally flawed premise that more screens = better experience. People can only pay attention to one screen at a time, and giving just one player at the console a personal additive screen in their hands doesn’t provide much meaningful benefit. The most widely appreciated feature of the system was simply the ability to play elsewhere in your home instead of in front of the TV, which is why they leaned hard into that portability with the Switch.
Edit: that said, the name and marketing were absolute disasters too.
Yeah, I never bought into the line that people were confused that a Wii U was a Wii add-on. That’s never been a major problem for similarly named consoles before and anyone I knew all knew it was a separate thing. I think that focus on having to pay attention to two screens, as you said, as well as the severe under-powering for a home console of its generation and an abysmal launch lineup of games, all leading to an abysmal launch for the console itself and third parties deciding pretty quickly to mostly bail on it, led to its relative failure.
That said, I still have my Wii U and also have fond memories of playing it. Say what you will about the severe lack of 3rd party support, Nintendo themselves put some great quality games on it: all the Zelda games (including Hyrule Warriors and the BotW port), Smash Bros 4, the original Mario Kart 8, Mario Maker, 3D World, DKC Tropical Freeze, the list goes on. Sega was pretty kind to them too for a 3rd party: Bayonetta 2, TMS #FE (underrated, IMO, good TMS/Persona style gameplay even if its story is goofy… Expected more actual FE-related content though), the quantity of Sonic games (if not quality).
I guarantee that SOME people were confused about whether it was its own console or not - I just couldn’t say if it was enough people to make a significant difference. Frankly, it was a dumb name and a poorly marketed device that didn’t have the means to command a news cycle through power, exclusives, or an instantly compelling use case. I think it’s basically a huge swing and a miss on Nintendo’s part.
But Nintendo also has the uncanny ability to release incredible games on anything. They could release a 3-button, motion-controlled, tethered monocle game system with a smartwatch chipset and I’d give you 70% odds they launch with a game that has an unforgettable amount of charm and joy infused in it.
Back when it launched I literally saw a TV news channel demoing it as part of a “Christmas gadgets” segment call it a peripheral for the Wii. They also called Skylanders a board-game.
When you got a fountain of money by getting boomers into gaming, flubbing the branding of the sequel is a massive own-goal.
Not to be ‘well ashkually’ but I mean is it? People use dual and tri monitor setups for PCs all the time. Also while smart phones didn’t have as much wide spread usage as they do now, it isn’t uncommon for people to be watching something on their TV and messing with their phone at the same time. Maybe it wasn’t flawed so much as just a bit ahead of it’s time.
Both phone usage and PC multi-monitor usage are completely different use cases of productivity and multitasking. Most gaming, especially on console, is a strictly single-taking experience. You don’t need to do things like copy and paste on a game console. And how often do you use your phone while playing a game on your console? The Wii U asserted that it was useful to give a video game two simultaneous screens in different positions. These are many reasons why this wasn’t “ahead of its time” and why the Wii U is considered an overall miss.
When I did play consoles honestly a fair bit when I needed a YouTube walk through. I guess I’m weird though since I like watching TV while playing games.
That’s fair. But the Wii U wasn’t designed for playing single screen games while watching YouTube, really. Your phone already covers that.
For me personally, Wii U was the worst console purchase I've ever made lol. If it wasn't for Smash, Mario Maker and Nintendoland with friends every once in a while I never would have turned it on. I honestly had way more fun with the Vita.
Maybe it’s because mine is modded but I get a lot of use out of my Wii u. My switch on the other hand, collects dust.
I didn’t like mine and subsequently didn’t buy many games for it because of its over reliance on the game pad, and the game pad draining its battery over night if not plugged in. Can’t access settings without the game pad, the game pad checked for updates and content way too often so the battery drained am quite often over night. Along with again, over reliance on the game pad where a lot of games I wanted to play, it was primarily built around the pad so controllers didn’t feel natural for the games
It’s not really fair to compare it to the wii u because the wii u was a handheld console while this is basically a hand held gaming streaming device. The wii u is more compared to other handheld consoles/computers like the steam deck or Asus rog ally.
I was on board with this for 150, 200 is just too much for it though
Honestly, dumb as this sounds, they can’t lose. It’s not a platform. There’s no infrastructure. It doesn’t even do cloud streaming, for some reason; it is 100.0% dependent on your hardware and your network. If Sony went bankrupt tomorrow, this gizmo would still work. If the hardware’s sold at a comfortable profit and they’re not gambling anything on its success, why wouldn’t they launch this ridiculous object? They don’t care if you don’t buy it.
It’s not a handheld. It’s an accessory.
Oh my God you idiots just bring back the Xperia Play how hard is that???
Genuinely as hard as “bring back the NGage.” Nobody wants to buy a smartphone that’s also a console platform. There’s no three-year contract required, and AT&T doesn’t get to micromanage the dashboard, but it’s still two wildly different commitments for no sufficient benefit. It means being stuck with a wonky smartphone on a longer console lifecycle and overpaying for a console with all the limitations of a smartphone.
By contrast - this is a controller with a screen in it. That’s all. Why wouldn’t they sell that? What’s the downside, for them? You buy another accessory priced well beyond its material costs, you provide all the electricity and electronics necessary for it to do anything, and they don’t care if you ever play games on it. It’s not lashed to the success of yet another online store. It’s not even a vehicle for recurring subscription fees. It’s a dongle for another toy. They have no incentive to force it to catch on. If it doesn’t sell - they’ll just stop.
I think they misunderstood what about the steam deck is making it popular
im more interested in the ear buds they announced. planar drivers for $200 or the over the ear with a mic for $150 are good deals afaik.
For 100€ more you can get a steam deck. Just saying
For 100 more you can have a smaller screen with lower resolution, no adaptive triggers, no haptics. What a deal!
I love my steam deck but for streaming PS5 games this seems far superior.
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Thats 400+ ??
store.steampowered.com/sale/steamdeckrefurbished
For the same price you can get a Switch Lite.
There’s no way that Sony of all companies could have charged less money for it. Goes to show how aggressive Valve priced the Steamdeck.
I see a lot of comparisons to steam deck but none to Xbox.
You can literally use any phone or tablet for the same function as this with an Xbox, in addition to cloud streaming most game pass games without needing an Xbox at all.
If we saw Microsoft releasing an identical device I bet there wouldn’t be a single person defending it.
You can also use any phone or tablet to remote play on PS5.
What you’re buying here is convenience. A dedicated device with the exact same controller setup as an actual PS5, with the same features (haptics, triggers) and a nice screen with basically plug and play setup.
The article doesn’t seem to mention what OS this has, but if the earlier leaks are correct and it’s android, you could even use this to do that very same Xbox streaming.
What I haven’t seen anyone mention yet: Since the Remote Play protocol is already reverse engineered (since there are open source remote play clients like Chiaki), it would not seem difficult to create a 3rd party Remote Play server for use on any PC. You could use this to stream your PC games on.
Its way too specific and i am way too busy to run arouns with this thing
Does it even run over mobile data?
Wifi only
Dead on Arrival…