Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)
from PerfectDark@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world on 26 Apr 23:22
https://lemmy.world/post/28753196

There’s been quite a bit of…unsettlement (totally a word) regarding the news that Discord has a new CEO and the company is going public (typically a sign of things going shittier than before).

I’d just like to re-post this which I shared some time ago, if you’ll indulge me in my rare post which isn’t a Steam Deck / Gaming News # post - a rarity for me.

In the end, this is not the be-all-and-end-all alternative, it won’t be for everyone. Matrix exists of course. But this is a nice place. And I thought considering recent events I’d recommend it regardless!

Following is just a copy of what I posted last time. It’s mostly Linux chat, gaming, handhelds (like the Steam Deck), movies and…general chats. Anyway, here’s the post:


So…this one is a bit left-of-field.

A friend of mine (Gardiner Bryant of YouTube - who reports on Linux and the Steam Deck) has started a Revolt server.

What is Revolt?

It’s kinda like a FOSS alternative to Discord. You’ll see the layout is almost a direct copy, and it’s far less polished…but then again you haven’t got the downsides of Discord’s constant upselling either:

revolt.chat

Why is this relevant?

…I can hear you ask? Well, so far its just a few developers and creators in there, but I thought of all spaces…maybe those very devs and creators whose work you use and watch…well it might be nice to join in there?

My personal friends who are in here so far are:

What is the damn link to the damn server, woman?

rvlt.gg/dqJT3rJH

I mean, you will have to make an account on Revolt, but it might be interesting to some here. You’re all very welcome!

#games

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SolidShake@lemmy.world on 26 Apr 23:33 next collapse

Discord is too big at this point for people to leave it. I’ve never heard of revolt until now, I don’t see a need in switching because of a new CEO that hasn’t done anything yet.

ampersandrew@lemmy.world on 26 Apr 23:37 next collapse

Nor me either, but I’m going to start packing my parachute now. You probably said the same about Reddit a few times before you ended up here, too.

Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com on 27 Apr 04:27 collapse

You probably said the same about Reddit a few times before you ended up here, too.

That account was created Jan 29th 2025, so you’re likely correct

ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee on 26 Apr 23:58 next collapse

That’s like saying one vote doesn’t matter or people protesting not to vote for their party because of a single issue but cause to effect more than the issue. Don’t entertain bad behavior or no one ever learns.

A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 00:13 next collapse

Nothing is too big to end. I’ve seen so many VOIP clients over the years and Discord is just another.

Software isn’t forever. Services come and go. Empires fall.

Regardless, the drive to switch is in selfhosting. If you want actual security and not to have to worry about a corporation handing their logs over to the Feds, Revolt is very appealing.

Brewchin@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 00:16 next collapse

Perhaps, but we’re now in an age where IPO announcements, CEO changes and even new features inevitably lead to enshittification. There is no harm in having a backup plan.

I’d even say that anyone who doesn’t have a plan B is an idiot, given recent history.

AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 00:29 next collapse

Discord is too big at this point for people to leave it.

Never seen a ‘too big to fail’ platform fail, huh? It happens more frequently than you’d think

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 01:09 collapse

Woolworths and Sears certainly will never not be the most dominant retail spaces in the United States. They’re gokng to live forever!

(I feel like most people here are too young ho even fully grasp the sarcasm on full display in my comment)

AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 01:12 collapse

Pfft. It’s not like you can buy a house from Sears or something.

Edit: Guessing I got downvoted by somebody too young to understand the reference

PerfectDark@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 01:29 next collapse

Luckily I see I’ll be a fancygirl with my Sears options as I look!

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/02a596bd-e7b2-4e5a-b16c-faea3082fa26.jpeg">

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 05:10 collapse

Right??? Could you imagine buying a house from SEARS??? And at a reasonable price too!!!

icecreamtaco@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 01:30 collapse

Discord’s fine now but it sure won’t be in 5 years. Companies going public like this always end badly

SolidShake@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 02:47 collapse

How do you know that for sure?

the_q@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 03:59 next collapse

You must be young.

SolidShake@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 14:34 collapse

Only 40

the_q@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 15:08 collapse

That’s surprising.

SolidShake@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 19:09 collapse

I find it surprising you can’t answer basic questions but just try to make fun of someone or change the subject.

the_q@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 21:18 collapse

Um OK.

icecreamtaco@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 04:44 next collapse

Take a look at Snapchat, Microsoft Solitaire, or most dating apps. That’s what this usually looks like after 5-10 years.

SolidShake@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 14:34 collapse

So free? With a paid sub option? Hmm… Maybe they can call it nitro or something. Maybe limit fil size sharing I less you pay the sub too. Oh and lock streaming quality too!

icecreamtaco@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 17:39 collapse

That just proves they’re already willing to make it worse. Dating apps have $500/mo plans now. Snapchat is 95% ads, 5% chat

Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub on 27 Apr 08:52 collapse

Ever heard of Skype?

SolidShake@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 14:33 collapse

What about it? Different application but sure. Let’s hear your example anyway

Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub on 27 Apr 15:42 collapse

Got bought up by Microsoft and enshittified.

It isn’t a long story, you likely could’ve researched it yourself in five minutes.

SolidShake@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 19:08 collapse

Good example… I guess

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 26 Apr 23:48 next collapse

It would appear there is a character limit to the password that is not disclosed, nor prohibited, while creating your account.

melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 27 Apr 02:18 collapse

Classic

arudesalad@sh.itjust.works on 26 Apr 23:52 next collapse

Is there a way to puppet a discord account through revolt like there is on matrix? There are a lot of communities I am in that I need discord for.

Brewchin@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 00:10 collapse

Not currently a Revolt user, but this would be a requirement for me to consider switching, too.

It looks like its API supports webhooks, so should be relatively straightforward to enable it (or perhaps through a third party, like Zapier)?

commander@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 00:13 next collapse

In terms of desktop applications, looks like Element and Revolt look pretty comparable these days. Mobile app Revolt looks better to me. Matrix seems way more established considering downloads of Element (there’s numerous Matrix applications) on Google Play and FlatHub

PerfectDark@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 00:21 next collapse

By memory there’s a community-made app for Revolt as well, but I can’t remember what its called, or the git link! When I find it again, I’ll link it here :)

EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 04:07 collapse

Mobile app Revolt is nice, but doesn’t support servers that aren’t the main one yet last I tried.

pycorax@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 01:14 next collapse

If Discord is going to be abandoned by people, I wish we’d go back to proper forums that’s much more accessible and searchable. Continuing down this road is just going to lead to the continued burying of useful information behind these services.

vividspecter@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 01:31 next collapse

I think there’s room for both, as in the old days there was typically an IRC channel along side forums that was typically a secondary channel (but not always).

But yeah, forums would be ideal, preferably with federation support so there is no need to make an account with every single one.

PassingThrough@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 01:45 collapse

Well, you see IRC and forums went together because they filled two different needs and we understood that back in the day.

IRC was for chatting, short, quick real time communication that would be lost to the ether as soon as you signed off, unless you had a bouncer or log bot.

Forums were for long information, be that long posts or posts that needed to endure for a long time. Sure you’d get some one liner responses to those posts, but forums were not at all instant like IRC. Though the information did stay much longer, and was much more searchable and organized.

Discord has spoiled us, being quick and chatty while also allowing for longer posts and being searchable. At least within the Discord client. Shoot they even added those “forum” channels to replicate the old forum feel. But real time.

acosmichippo@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 05:44 next collapse

i wouldn’t say discord “spoiled” us by trying to reinvent forums, i’d say it unnecessarily blurred the lines. classic case of feature creep.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 28 Apr 20:10 collapse

revolt matrix and lemmy?

libra00@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 02:27 next collapse

Forums are just not great for real-time interaction like discord chat is, not to mention the integration of voice chat, video streaming, etc is just too convenient to give up without replacing it with something similar. I too wish discord/whatever replacement gets attention was more searchable and kept stuff long-term, but… if you want to post info that lasts, post it on lemme and link it on discord or whatever.

Hyphlosion@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 05:17 collapse

True, but I can’t help having nostalgia for ye olde forum days.

Edit: Not sure why I keep being downvoted. I never said forums would replace anything. I was merely acknowledging my nostalgia for old forum boards from a now bygone era. Didn’t realize having fond memories of a time period on the Internet was a bad thing. Jesus.

eronth@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 05:56 next collapse

Reasonable, but you’d be fooling yourself to act as if forums will meaningfully replace Discord for most users.

[deleted] on 27 Apr 06:50 collapse

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libra00@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 20:11 collapse

Fair enough.

I kinda don’t though. I quite enjoy real-time chat and voice and video with friends. It’s not like forums don’t exist at all anymore tho - you’re on one right now. I get my forum experience from places like reddit or lemmy, and I use them for very different things, so I’m glad both exist.

Pika@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 04:35 next collapse

discord is not a forum (even if they want it to be with the forum channels), its never been a good location to store information. That being said, its amazing for real time communication unlike forums. I hate that devs use it for FAQ and bug forms and stuff. I stopped reporting bugs if it requires me to join a discord.

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz on 27 Apr 06:57 next collapse

Discord is more of a chat room than a forum though, lemmy is a federated alternative to forums.

SW42@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 13:07 next collapse

Amen! I remember the good old days of speciality community forums based on VB or even phpBB or in some cases Woltlab. I miss the simpler times.

criss_cross@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 13:08 next collapse

I think we just need to split roles again.

Discord did there best to be an all in one solution and we just need a return to real time chat and voice along with asynchronous communication like forums

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Apr 16:35 next collapse

We need both for different purposes. Discord is amazing for voice, video, and IM chatting. All things that happen in real-time. But forums are intended for a vastly different use case. Forums are play-by-post. They’re asynchronous. They’re meant for responding at your earliest convenience, not for talking to someone right now. The fact that so many people began using Discord as a forum replacement is a travesty, because Discord is a fucking atrocious medium for forums… Not due to any fault of Discord’s, but because they’re completely different use cases.

randomblock1@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 17:56 collapse

You’re on a forum right now, no? I think a lot of Discords have accompanying Reddits and vice versa, hopefully they start using Lemmy. But forums are still popular. Just not Ye Olde BBS

pycorax@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 18:19 collapse

Not nearly enough of them. Too many frameworks or libraries have their QnAs on Discord instead of a dedicated forum.

Hazelnutcookiez@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 27 Apr 01:40 next collapse

its kinda useless without Voice, TeamSpeak however is making excellent progress. im hoping we just gi bsck to forums and stuff like TeamSpeak and vent.

PerfectDark@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 01:50 next collapse

Sure! It’s great that there is other options, too. So people have options available to them if they want to explore those.

I’m not promoting this as a end-game solution to everything. It’s not even my server.

I’m just sharing this in case people who enjoy gaming and Linux and the people behind the projects, they might want to join in.

ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 21:54 collapse

Revolt has voice channels, and video is in active development

AntiBullyRanger@ani.social on 27 Apr 01:49 next collapse

This thread is depressing: www.ntaskmanager.com/blog/discord-alternatives/

Mumble’s fine for VC. Lemmy&jabber anything else.

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 01:58 next collapse

So why not matrix?

Is revolt federated?

pineapplelover@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 02:23 next collapse

It’s easier to use and more polished. Also, not federated or decentralized. Although you can self host it

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 04:48 collapse

Self hosting and open source to me is the most important part. Federation can come if the need arises. I was just curious.

I’m personally going to stay on my matrix channels as they seem more established. But it’s good to have options.

Right now discord seems fine but I’ve already lived through many de-platforming events. And one day it too will go the way of the dodo. People getting attached to nameless online services is funny.

Thanks!

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 27 Apr 04:14 next collapse

No and they don’t plan to federate it. Not on their roadmap.

Further Matrix is guided by the Matrix Foundation, a non-profit group.

But I mean sure let’s just dump one for-profit app for another as if it won’t follow the same path.

PerfectDark@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 04:36 collapse

I think you need to re-read my post.

  • I did not say to dump one for another

  • I literally mention Matrix exists

  • I say this won’t be for everyone

Another reminder, this is not my server, I just thought this was fun and I’m sharing an alternative. But I’ve tried reading all I can about Revolt, and I can’t see where they say it’s “for profit”. Can you link me to that?

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Apr 16:40 collapse

Unfortunately, nothing else has really matched Discord’s combination of voice, video, and text chatting. Matrix doesn’t have feature parity, and doesn’t even have a functional client… Which means it’s only really viable for the people who care enough to learn how to set it up. And the average user does not care enough to learn.

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 17:14 collapse

I’m not sure what you mean? I have voice, video and text working on my yunohost without any real issues. My wife and I use it all the time. Element (the client) could be a bit easier def on the initial experience, but to me that’s it.

The thing discord has is the people. When discord went down a couple of weeks ago, my tiny instance quadrupled in users. And the local city specific matrix got quite a few.

mooncake@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 02:27 next collapse

I wanna give it a go but it’s way too buggy

PerfectDark@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 02:34 collapse

I just use the site, via my browser. And I’ve not had any issues! Though I’ve no idea how well the app performs

tyrant@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 04:44 next collapse

Revolt isn’t federated, encrypted, has no video chat, claims privacy but that claim seems to be simply because they are based in Europe. The layout is nice and ui is better than element but that’s the only upside i see. I hate the matrix client ui’s and chat sorting options.

scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech on 27 Apr 05:21 next collapse

Exactly. I wish they would have just built a great UI on top of Matrix or even XMPP, but they insisted on doing it this way. None of my friends want to switch to something that they’re boxed-in with, they don’t want an app just for one server. Matrix is the only option we have, but all of the UIs are… meh.

dogs0n@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 09:55 collapse

Yeah, they kinda screwed up Element with combining mobile and desktop features into one app. The first time I tried creating a call on desktop, it was suddenly apparent how confusing they had made it, because you can do it in multiple ways (normal calls & conference calls).

There are other UIs that look very nice, but sadly don’t support voice chat. Hopefully these other clients can catch up, but it’ll likely take a while.

XM34@feddit.org on 27 Apr 11:58 collapse

So, I briefly tried out Matrix some four years ago and left because it was utter trash and from what I gather from your comment it is still pretty much trash now. But despite there not being a single usable client, people still try to convince everyone that Matrix, by some obscrure metric, is superior to all other chat programs.

Sorry to say, but a chat protocol on its own is a tech demo at best and as long as there isn’t a single feature complete and usable client, it’s an alternative for no one except hardcore tech enthusiasts.

When I last used Matrix/Elements I had to deal with “lost keys” issues multiple times in just two months. This issue is a dealbreaker if it happens just once in a year and apparently, it’s still a semi regular problem for some of my friends.

Just accept it, Matrix will never be a replacement for Discord, WhatsApp, Telegram or even just Microsoft Teams.

poke@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 14:00 next collapse

Never is a strong word. Element has made a lot of progress and I can see the potential in it to compete with some of these platforms.

But no, it’s not there yet.

dogs0n@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 15:43 collapse

I agree, I don’t think it’s trash. From my experience, chatting is very good, voice/video are just the next thing they are tackling.

Better UX will probably come after important features are done.

dogs0n@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 15:54 collapse

I didn’t mean to say that it’s (still) trash, I think it’s useable, but there are still a lot of improvements to come.

Element as a client seems to want to do everything, which is probably great for a lot of people, but it (in my experience) has led to a poor user experience (which with more time, will likely improve, they seem to have a lot of backing).

With Element completing voice/video implementation, I imagine it’ll be easier for other clients to reference their work when implementing their own support.

Once the other clients get voice support, I will definitely be trying them out again, I’m sure they will make a much simpler experience that works out the box.

The lost keys problem has luckily never happened to me, it usually boils down the user error I believe, but yeah, if it is a user error that happens often, they should figure out some way to fix that (probably a hard problem, which is sort of fixed (i believe) if you use the client on multiple devices, so if you get logged out of your account you can easily authorize your access from another logged in device, eg desktop/mobile).

Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de on 27 Apr 13:07 next collapse

Also, revolt self hosting is broken. The web call functionality (WebRTC) is being rewritten but that effort is stale and out of the box it simply does not work. There is no real documentation about this either. It just won’t work and you need to invest a lot of effort to figure out why. The moment self hosting properly works, I’ll give it another shot. Not being able to connect without a fat client is a show stopper for me. There’s no way I can get enough traction for my groups if the barrier to switch is higher than a sheet of paper.

When self hosting all the shortcomings you mentioned are perfectly acceptable for me.

KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz on 27 Apr 16:24 collapse

Revolt hasn’t added federation because it can be a major complexity increase in the codebase, but apparently they might be allowing instance owners to integrate polyproto support (polyproto is a work-in-progress federated chat system). If you want a discord like interface for Matrix, Cinny exists. I personally prefer revolt in some ways as Matrix feels like it doesn’t fit the use case for discord as well.

tyrant@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 18:23 collapse

Cinny hates me. Failed to load module xapp-gtk3-module and then unable to complete frame buffer.

Screenshots look nice though!

KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz on 29 Apr 20:10 collapse

There’s a web version you can use just fine

scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech on 27 Apr 05:24 next collapse

Just switched my friend group over to Matrix. Honestly looked at Revolt, but no federation was a non-starter. Convincing friends to leave is hard enough, unfortunately being locked into a single server was a non-starter. It’s too bad, they have a great UI, but I think they should have left the backend to trusted protocols.

dogs0n@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 09:59 next collapse

Just imagine the good they could have done by being a new competent Matrix client that can do everything, but instead they are a Discord clone.

scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech on 27 Apr 15:56 collapse

It would have been a massive win win

derin@lemmy.beru.co on 28 Apr 15:34 collapse

If you like Discord’s UI, there is a new Matrix client being developed - called Commet.Chat - that is trying to look and feel like Discord.

Might be worth checking out!

scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech on 28 Apr 17:56 collapse

Oh that’s AMAZING! I’m going to try it out tonight!

derin@lemmy.beru.co on 28 Apr 18:43 collapse

I also hadn’t used it in a while - used to be very rough around the edges.

Just installed it on my phone, it’s actually pretty usable now!

turnip@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 05:58 next collapse

Does Signal not do everything people need?

AntiBullyRanger@ani.social on 27 Apr 06:45 collapse

Voice Chat?

smeg@feddit.uk on 27 Apr 06:57 collapse

You can do a call in a group chat, right?

AntiBullyRanger@ani.social on 27 Apr 07:06 next collapse

I’m unsure. I’ve only ever used Mumble, Jabber, & SimpleX.

Can’t afford rn to setup a SIP or SRTP dæmon. I even have to setup a PBX for normie related contacts.

omnioki@sh.itjust.works on 28 Apr 14:38 collapse

yes, it does video or voice chat.

SidTheShuckle@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 27 Apr 06:38 next collapse

I did notice the recent developments in discord. If discord starts putting ads in their platform I might switch

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz on 27 Apr 06:51 collapse

They already have done that a while ago.

papertowels@mander.xyz on 27 Apr 16:08 collapse

But they’re quests

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz on 27 Apr 18:27 collapse

I don’t even read it, just close. Still hate it and would drop discord immediately if the communities I am in switched to anything else.

Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 07:27 next collapse

I really hope indie gamedevs start moving off Discord. Sometimes it’s the only source for finding help or reporting bugs.

AntiBullyRanger@ani.social on 27 Apr 07:57 next collapse

This is super hilarious, ’cause host a devlog is so simple, it can be done in ssh, even in forsaken email. While lemmy is literally here.

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Apr 16:28 next collapse

Yeah, and it’s doubly infuriating because Discord is not a good replacement for support forums. It isn’t searchable via search engines, and even the built in search is fucking dog water.

Let’s say I have an error, so I google “{Program} {Error code} Solved”. With a forum, I would find a thread that is already talking about the specific error, with comments regarding troubleshooting steps or a solution… But with Discord, all I get is a generic link to the program’s server.

And even once I’m in the server, there often isn’t a good way for me to find existing threads about my specific error. Maybe I check the pinned messages, but some servers have dozens of channels; am I expected to check the pins on every single channel? Oftentimes that seems to be the expectation, because asking a question will often just get a “check the pinned messages, ya thud-fuck” type of response.

Or maybe I search it, but (again) am I expected to search every single channel? And since Discord doesn’t use fuzzed searches, searching for “Error code 0x00548327” won’t return any results if the thread simply uses “Error 548327” instead. With Google (or any half-decent search engine, really) you get results for both. But not with Discord.

So instead, I ask in the support channel. And that leads me to my final gripe… My response takes actual effort from another person in order to solve. Maybe I get lucky and they have a bot set up to respond to a keyword/error number in my comment… But if not, or if I didn’t use the specific keyword that the bot was searching for, then I need to rely on other people. If there are 200 people with the same issue, that’s 200 times that someone needs to respond to what is essentially the same message. With a forum, you could simply find the post, and read the responses. No human interaction necessary, because it has already been done. The question and answer process has already happened. But with Discord, I’m forced to wait on someone to actually respond, and the devs/admins actually need to dedicate time and resources to ensuring it gets answered. That constant vigilance takes a lot more time and effort away from actual mod duties.

Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 16:58 next collapse

It’s a comically bad experience.

I get it that it’s probably easier to setup a Discord server, than to run your own forum, but you can always get a managed solution or use reddit (I would prefer if Lemmy was used, but I am also realistic).

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Apr 17:09 collapse

I’m actually against companies running their own subreddits, purely because I’m an old redditor who remembers when it was specifically disallowed by Reddit. The original intent was for the site to the run by the people, not by companies. Companies were actually prevented from moderating their own subs; the worry was that they would use their mod powers to suppress any sort of negative press or criticism, no matter how valid.

For instance, maybe there’s a popular TV show. The company wasn’t allowed to have a hand in moderating the official fan sub for the show, because it was left up to the public. If the show did something unpopular, the broadcasting company shouldn’t have the ability to suppress the criticism about it.

But Reddit has since done a complete 180 on that topic, and now goes out of their way to install corporate moderators. Subs are now run as an extension of the company’s marketing and/or PR departments

Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 17:25 collapse

Agreed. Just at this point I think it’s fair to say that this policy is definitely not in effect.

MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 17:48 collapse

Fucking preach! I feel like this falls on deaf ears most of the time though sadly.

ulterno@programming.dev on 27 Apr 17:28 collapse

I normally like GitLab issues as a place for bug reports.

A FAQ and an old style forum works pretty well for help.
In fact, just make a community on Lemmy for the forum part and you’ll have what’s required.

GitHub also has this new “Discussions” thing which should do some good, for those that want to stay on GitHub

fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com on 27 Apr 14:02 next collapse

No thanks. One more centralized service to enshitify. Will stick with Matrix.

omnioki@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 14:24 collapse

matrix is part of the police state. mastodon.matrix.org/@element/110340953550548309

tekato@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 14:31 next collapse

Just in: Orange farmers are part of the police state because they sell oranges to the government, including policemen.

omnioki@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 18:43 collapse

there’s a subtle difference, but if i’m following your logic, then weapons manufacturers have no moral/ethical responsibility for enabling war to happen? if you made a knife—harmless on its own, and then gave the knife to a murderer who then killed someone with it, are you not enabling?

lepinkainen@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 06:29 collapse

Is Ford a part of the police state because they sell cars to them?

omnioki@sh.itjust.works on 28 Apr 09:07 collapse

idk what their agreement is with them, but i’d venture to guess that they’re not not complicit.

papertowels@mander.xyz on 27 Apr 16:07 next collapse

I just want to make sure you notice it says “encrypted messaging” meaning matrix as a service, as opposed to “encrypted messages”, meaning selling your messages.

fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com on 27 Apr 21:18 collapse

Uhh this is a reach. By this logic so is Signal. And RedHat. Hell, even Mastodon.

omnioki@sh.itjust.works on 28 Apr 00:10 collapse

sure, it’s nuanced, but imho there’s a difference between actively helping and propping up vs providing free software. when you have active contracts with entities that discriminate, it becomes a different ethical stance than simply building FOSS.

fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com on 28 Apr 01:00 collapse

Thats fair, but simly using FOSS software doesn’t support the cause of the developers/creators. I mean, look at Lemmy.

omnioki@sh.itjust.works on 28 Apr 01:45 collapse

yeah i can understand that viewpoint, and for all the matrix users i hope that remains true. maybe i’m just jaded, but i’ve been around long enough to know that just because a company isn’t a complete pile of shit now doesn’t mean they won’t be in the future—ESPECIALLY when you can see the company they keep (and defend).

hollerpixie@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 16:46 next collapse

I just went through this tree about a week ago. Downloaded the app for iOS to try it and would say it wasn’t ready for mainstream. It looks very similar to discord but it just consistently would crash or send me back to the website in order to get anything done. Even the main channel for Revolt would hang and not load properly. That and iOS is on TestFlight… not gonna work well for non tech enthusiasts who know how about it. That

I have a small server on Discord and would love to move it. But the people on it aren’t super tech savvy and the replacement will need to work. Plus, I have less desire to go from one centralized service to another, especially when the backup doesn’t work well. Wish Element would get it together with the phone app and make spaces appear as they do on the computer. That and stable call/video channels.

It would be nice to see a capable app built on matrix platform. Or just another capable platform that has a well working app. Just my two cents.

derin@lemmy.beru.co on 28 Apr 15:26 collapse

SchildiChat Next is a mini-fork of Element X with proper spaces support (and some other nice UI additions).

I say mini-fork as it’s basically just EleX with some UI patches - so it follows EleX actively.

LordKitsuna@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 19:20 collapse

Aaaaand this touches on the problem with matrix in general, no standard is properly followed, way too many forks with feature support all over the place

derin@lemmy.beru.co on 28 Apr 23:16 collapse

There’s only one standard, it has no forks. The discussion is about a filtering feature.

A lot of people don’t seem to respect spaces and communities - from my perspective it looks like the devs are currently pivoting to make the official client look and act more like Telegram/Signal/WhatsApp than Discord/IRC.

Your issue is that the dev team of EleX not prioritizing a feature you want.

If anything, this is a strength of an open source ecosystem: someone who agrees with you was able to, months ago, setup a fork that appeals to your work flow.

Try that with Discord, next time!

LordKitsuna@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 23:32 collapse

There is a single standard with no forks, I said not a single one followed. I run my own Matrix Home Server and use it frequently, there are a lot of different clients and there are a good number of them that do run their own features that are not exactly in Spec because one does not yet exist in the official spec. Stickers used to be a good example of that I remember when there were like three different clients Each of which implemented them in a different weird way until the spec finally landed on an implementation.

And even within this back there are some basic features not supported on certain clients and other such problems. I’m just saying it’s not an alternative to Discord and it will never be mainstream because it’s too confusing and frustrating from the perspective of a standard user.

Same concept that made bluesky get popular over mastodon, trying to find anything on Mastodon of interest is a chore because there’s no real Central spot to do everything the very nature of it is that it’s scattered to the winds, there’s also multiple apps available for Mobile on Mastodon Each of which have different layouts, different features, and normal people that just want to be able to find their topic of Interest can’t be bothered to deal with that

derin@lemmy.beru.co on 29 Apr 00:31 collapse

Yeah, all good points - especially the stuff relating to stickers (also, custom emojis).

Still, I’m hoping element gets their shit together and improves the default element apps (also brings Web/Desktop up to par with Mobile).

ulterno@programming.dev on 27 Apr 17:24 next collapse

But is it made in Rust ?

No?

You chaps gotta tick all the buzz-words!

vampatori@feddit.uk on 27 Apr 18:01 next collapse

I just had a dig around, the back-end is implemented in Rust.

ulterno@programming.dev on 27 Apr 19:37 collapse

Ah sh✫t got me!

You managed to tick the buzz word without having to make a native app for my computer.

merdaverse@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 18:02 collapse

Of course it’s made in Rust! (the backend)

rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee on 27 Apr 17:41 next collapse

Quite frankly I find the idea positively revolting.

zanyllama52@infosec.pub on 27 Apr 17:47 next collapse

I will continue using element, signal, and simple x instead. They have all the security and privacy features this product doesn’t.

nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Apr 17:52 next collapse

In addition to the mentions that this isn’t encrypted, doesn’t have video chat, etc, it’s also difficult to set up with little documentation and an enormous tech stack. They also had some recent controversy about open source licensing that gives me a bit of worry. I decided to go with a self-hosted synapse server.

Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip on 27 Apr 18:40 next collapse

Why do we fragment again? We have matrix already - why make another application.

Jyek@sh.itjust.works on 27 Apr 19:48 next collapse

Revolt isn’t new. Matrix and revolt are around the same age and are both not even feature competitive with Discord. So until there is a fully featured truly open alternative to discord, there will be still others trying to take discord’s audience.

LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee on 28 Apr 06:50 collapse

Does matrix have multiple chat channels per server / community yet? Last I asked they didn’t understand my question. Basically matrix just isn’t meant to be a replacement for discord.

derin@lemmy.beru.co on 28 Apr 15:28 collapse

It does have that.

A “server” in Matrix is a space. A chat channel is called a room. A space can hold as many rooms as you want.

Fun fact, unlike Discord, a space can even hold other spaces in it!

LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee on 29 Apr 10:54 collapse

But as far as I can remember, you can’t administer the rooms in a space as one. Like you need to be invited into each separate room.

Not saying that you couldn’t add that, I’m saying they don’t seem to want to “do what discord did”. Which is a bummer since the success of discord clearly shows what would be needed.

PS: It’s fine to do that as a UX design choice, more like IRC. But the issue is that people like you (no offense) say it’s the same when it isn’t. Like not even understanding what the problem is.

derin@lemmy.beru.co on 29 Apr 19:13 collapse

But as far as I can remember, you can’t administer the rooms in a space as one. Like you need to be invited into each separate room.

Nope, again - I don’t understand who told you this. When you’re creating a room in Matrix you can make it either public, invite only, or only joinable via membership in a specific space.

Here’s a screenshot of the room security interface:

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.beru.co/pictrs/image/937b3191-f6cb-4456-89eb-0a54f18e7a38.png">

Not saying that you couldn’t add that, I’m saying they don’t seem to want to “do what discord did”. Which is a bummer since the success of discord clearly shows what would be needed.

You are correct in that they “don’t want to do what discord this”: recently (and you can see this in their apps like EleX) they’ve transitioned to looking and acting more like modern mobile chat apps like Signal/WhatsApp/Telegram - a decision I’m assuming they’ve made as most of their funding comes from people who want a replacement for those apps and not Discord.

Regardless, just using a Discord-like client (e.g. Commet) is enough to get the experience you want.

GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world on 27 Apr 21:27 next collapse

Is it e2e encrypted?

Mubelotix@jlai.lu on 27 Apr 22:55 next collapse

No

LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee on 28 Apr 06:47 collapse

I think all you can do in an open group chat is use vpn/tor/anonymous email. Besides private messages, but then the server can be forced to disclose the metadata.

sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Apr 23:26 next collapse

Damn, that’s… quite the line up of Steam Deck related devs, shit.

Welp, I’m convinced.

PerfectDark@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 02:45 collapse

I got distracted when I started inviting people I know into the server, so…there will be more to come!

Prandom_returns@lemm.ee on 28 Apr 18:15 next collapse

I’m failing to find any info on how they are funding the servers in their website.

LordKitsuna@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 19:19 collapse

Well, once the service becomes large and popular we could try to find people interested in investing into the platform, then we just need to make sure it stays interesting to more and more investors over time. Should be sustainable, sounds oddly familiar tho but i definitely just made it up rn on my own

x00z@lemmy.world on 28 Apr 18:28 next collapse

Revolt to Discord is what BlueSky is to Twitter.

Just another continuation that can (and will) enshittify.

lazorne@lemmy.zip on 28 Apr 19:38 next collapse

For the record RetroDECK also got Matrix instance as well. But Revolt have so far been more active then Matrix (even tho we had that one for a long time).

But I do agree with that Discord is not a replacement for forums. You should not use Discord as your primary information hub.

For us our own wiki is the master of information. If something relevant is said in Revolt / Discord / Matrix we will add it to the wiki, people should not need to register various accounts to access the information.

Github is also where we handle “real” issues, while Discord / Matrix / Revolt is helpful for community members helping other with minor issues or general banter.

One reason why forums died out was the need for direct engagement and a sense of active community belonging, that they simply did not offer.

We also did not create all of these spaces from the beginning. Some community members did it, like the subreddit. Then you have a choice either you create it and own it, or a fan will.

thorhop@sopuli.xyz on 28 Apr 23:46 collapse

Saying that the client is FOSS, but the server is proprietary, I like saying you have a chastity belt - with a ventilation hole in the back.

You finna get effed in the a.