HWK_290@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 21:52
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Laughs in dark forces remaster
all-knight-party@kbin.run
on 14 Mar 2024 22:34
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Night Dive should've been given some of these old Lucas Arts SW games. These were my childhood, and I've watched as Aspyr has been assigned game after game of my childhood to be released on modern platforms, and time and time again they either don't give enough of a shit to do anything more than get them running (sometimes barely that, Republic Commando runs worse on a switch than an original Xbox), or they're not given the proper time or financial budget to pull it off.
It's a crime.
SVcross@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 00:32
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I want to see Jedi Knight now
Zahille7@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 14:07
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I need Nightdive to do for Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy what it did for System Shock.
I was not aware this existed. Thanks for pointing it out! Added to wish list and waiting for sale :D
Jackthelad@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 21:53
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I’ve been playing the campaigns and a bit of multiplayer on Battlefront 1 on PS5 and it’s been absolutely fine.
I’m not sure where all these complaints are coming from. Is the PC version a lot worse?
LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 22:03
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From what I read on Steam: Three servers, 64 players max each. Embarrassingly miniscule for one of the best selling, best received Star Wars games of its time, if not of all time. You’d expect more than 192 people would buy your game on launch, especially something this big.
Jackthelad@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 23:56
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That was as it launched. There are now a whole bunch of dedicated servers.
People have got their knickers in a twist over nothing.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca
on 15 Mar 2024 02:30
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Dude, imagine you buy a brand new car for a 5 person family and then as you arrive to drive it off the lot you find out its only got the two front seats… Launches like this are completely unacceptable.
Jackthelad@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 11:57
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Yes, because that’s exactly the same thing.
It was literally a few hours later that they added the dedicated servers and people could play online.
…but not before launch? The game launched and they weren’t there? So they released a game and there were only three servers available? Hours later they added a bunch of servers? AFTER LAUNCH? Is there another way I can phrase this so you realise how stupid it is that you’re defending it?
Jackthelad@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 12:00
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Game has online problems for the first few hours after launch. This has never happened before in the history of video games. 🙄
Wasn’t Helldivers 2 almost impossible to play for the first month? Yet there wasn’t much anger about that. This has a problem for a few hours and it’s the worst thing that has ever happened. 😂
I recall there being plenty of talk about Helldivers servers. About a month’s worth. Meanwhile I haven’t seen a single person say this is the worst thing that’s ever happened or that it’s never happened before with other games, just that releasing a multiplayer game and only having three servers available is absurd. That and the apparently poor port at least on Switch detailed in another comment.
Believe it or not, shit happening before doesn’t change anything. Shit’s still shit. And we all already know the only actual obstacle to ensuring a smooth multiplayer launch (assuming a competently made game, of course) is paying for enough servers to handle the initial surge. They just prefer not to spend that money and present a poor experience to customers who buy the game at launch instead, because fuck them right.
Jackthelad@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 14:43
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Do you know if you start up the game now, there’s plenty of servers and it, you know, works?
Are you really so impatient that a problem for the first few hours gets you this het up?
I don’t own the game. It’s not a problem for me at all. It’s a principle, and a reflection of a publisher’s greed and disrespect towards its customers.
Do you know that people bought the game, downloaded it, installed it, sat to play it, and couldn’t because the publisher didn’t want to pay for the required servers for their most loyal customers to do so?
Sure, it’s good that there are servers now, but that’s the minimum I expect and I expect them there at launch. You know, so people who have paid money to play their game actually can. Far be it for me to think an online multiplayer game should have servers to play online multiplayer in when it’s available to buy.
Jackthelad@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 19:56
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Brilliant. Someone who doesn’t even own the game pontificating like an expert on it. 😂
“Couldn’t play the game”. There’s literally a bunch of single player content in the game. It’s not online-only.
Believe it or not it’s possible to gather information about things without directly experiencing it and I tend to do this with new games. I also already have the originals on steam.
Yes and it’s a multiplayer classic that they couldn’t play multiplayer in. It doesn’t ruin the game, it didn’t destroy the experience permanently, it’s not the end of the world, but it’s shit and only happened because of the publisher’s greed. No clue why you feel the need to defend it really.
[Edit] I also haven’t said a single word that even implies I’m an expert on it. I mentioned bugginess that I said I saw in a comment and talked about servers being unavailable. What level of star wars battlefront expert do you think I need to be to discuss specific star wars battlefront things like…bugs and servers?
Jackthelad@lemmy.world
on 17 Mar 2024 01:35
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I wouldn’t be defending the game if it was actually as broken as is being made out.
But all people have said is that it’s buggy on switch (with screenshot proof) and that there weren’t enough servers for hours after launch. Is it you that’s overblowing it?
Jackthelad@lemmy.world
on 17 Mar 2024 13:29
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The article linked at the top literally calls it a “disaster”.
That’s a fair point. Though the actual people I’ve seen talking about it have said it’s buggy as well though, more than a few have refunded.
beebarfbadger@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 15:54
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a multiplayer game
No.
Not *A * multiplayer game. A multiplayer STAR WARS game. And not just any multiplayer Star Wars game - no, the single best received Star Wars game of its kind in the last two decades, coupled with its prequel… And they estimated around 200 people to play it at launch.
Like.
What.
PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee
on 16 Mar 2024 15:57
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Imagine licking boots this hard. Is your tongue raw?
Jackthelad@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 18:05
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Imagine just playing and enjoying a game, rather than forming your opinion based on an IGN article.
maynarkh@feddit.nl
on 14 Mar 2024 21:55
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The first review that came up for me:
This was not like the simulations.
the16bitgamer@lemmy.world
on 14 Mar 2024 22:14
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For those wondering if this is under exaggerated, it’s not. Now my experience is on the Switch.
This issues I saw in my time before I got refunded was as follow. Texture Flickering and Shadow Flickering (hard to see as a screen shot so this is the worse I saw)
approxamatrix@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 00:03
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Lol that FMV looks like it came from a long lost GBA Video release of Star Wars
the16bitgamer@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 00:50
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This is a frame, it cleans up in the next. However it is sooooo distracting.
BoiLudens@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 00:52
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Well I’m glad you laying it out for us, I’ve got a better idea what I’m dealing with. And it really does miff me on how unnecessarily wasteful the game is with storage
the16bitgamer@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 01:09
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Ditto, I sadly didn’t go online so no comment there. Well I mean I tried once and I couldn’t connect so I just jumped into instant action. But yeah the storage requirements are a bit unrealistic on Switch. I don’t think you can even play it on OG switch without a Micro SD Card.
Tattorack@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 01:29
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The original games are about 4 GB each. Together they should be around 8 GB.
What the fuck is the rest of the size used for!?
the16bitgamer@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 01:49
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But you’re actually probably at least partly right. I’m sure they’ve done at least some upscaling and stored at a higher res which may actually take up more space.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 02:07
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And not to mention: the original versions actually run fine to this day. Pure money grab and they made the product(s) worse to do it.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
on 16 Mar 2024 12:06
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Headed for Tortuga.
bitwolf@lemmy.one
on 15 Mar 2024 13:00
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Wow this looks so disappointing.
It look like they just barely fixed controller support in the original.
I expected at least upgraded textures and particle effects.
Two Battle front let downs in a row (EA, and now this). 😞
the16bitgamer@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 13:21
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The controls are “fine” for the most part. If you were on an Xbox controller it would work. Space Battles in Battlefront II are an improvement, but the same treatment was never made to Battlefront 1. If I had to complain about anything, it’s that the auto aim needs to be more sensitive and when you blast an enemy it auto locks on them like the console games. Mouse and keyboard this would be annoying but on controller it’s necessary.
Katana314@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 13:46
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Looking at the 34GB install, I’m guessing it’s some kind of massive emulation layer; it’s scary to say but I feel like we’ve just run out of game developers that can genuinely code against the machine itself to optimize install size and performance.
When you look back on the meager specs of old consoles and what they got running there, it now feels more and more impressive.
frezik@midwest.social
on 16 Mar 2024 12:47
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Emulators don’t take up that kind of space. In general, code makes up a small fraction of any game.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
on 16 Mar 2024 12:03
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Bugs with textures and lighting seem just the way I remember BFII.
34GB? Yowch.
all-knight-party@kbin.run
on 14 Mar 2024 22:20
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Sear the name Aspyr into your mind, and look out for them when they redo old star wars games like this. An underwhelming experience is what I've come to expect from their attempts at Jedi Outcast/Academy and Republic Commando on Switch.
The best you can expect from them is bare minimum passably running games, sort of the antithesis to Night Dive
blackluster117@possumpat.io
on 15 Mar 2024 00:06
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Nightdive, my beloved
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Mar 2024 12:14
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Sear the name Embracer into your mind. This is what’s going to happen with any studio owned by them. This is what ruthlessly taking a blowtorch to all of your studios headcounts gets you.
Generally speaking, game devs never like putting out a bad product. It’s a creative industry, and one that people go into because they love games (otherwise they’d be working in fintech where the pay is much better). I guarantee it was Embracer who made the call to launch this product in its current broken state, and probably also Embracer who put so little money aside for server infrastructure.
Snowcano@startrek.website
on 15 Mar 2024 07:09
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Weren’t there a bunch of mods for the original releases that upgraded textures, added maps and factions and all that? Why would anyone buy these rereleases instead?
TheSpermWhale@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 08:10
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Another game launch, another broken game. How hard is it to just release a game that works? This is a port as well - pretty much their entire job with this was fixing issues and optimisation
PrettyLights@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 20:22
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I want to blame the company but from their point of view this business model works so I understand why it keeps happening.
Steam refunds are great for situations like these but I doubt the average casual knows how easy it is. The other platforms are much stricter on refunds.
There’s also the culture shift of gamers defending broken releases with “at least they fixed it!” Or “they released a roadmap for future fixes” that encourages early releases.
beebarfbadger@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 14:10
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How hard is it to just release a game that works?
Harder than delivering shit and cashing in just as much. The grab&run simply is more profitable than actually putting in the work - especially since there seem to be no palpable negative consequences.
Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world
on 16 Mar 2024 22:45
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A game with a working version on the same platform and distribution program, no less!
big_slap@lemmy.world
on 15 Mar 2024 12:32
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and I bet this made bank, hence why things will never change with online game releases
It is a bit more involved than your typical battlefront match, but the reward is a Star Wars game we could have only dreamed of in the past. I can’t overstate how good of a mod this is.
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Laughs in dark forces remaster
Night Dive should've been given some of these old Lucas Arts SW games. These were my childhood, and I've watched as Aspyr has been assigned game after game of my childhood to be released on modern platforms, and time and time again they either don't give enough of a shit to do anything more than get them running (sometimes barely that, Republic Commando runs worse on a switch than an original Xbox), or they're not given the proper time or financial budget to pull it off.
It's a crime.
I want to see Jedi Knight now
I need Nightdive to do for Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy what it did for System Shock.
Like goddamn it would be amazing.
I was not aware this existed. Thanks for pointing it out! Added to wish list and waiting for sale :D
I’ve been playing the campaigns and a bit of multiplayer on Battlefront 1 on PS5 and it’s been absolutely fine.
I’m not sure where all these complaints are coming from. Is the PC version a lot worse?
From what I read on Steam: Three servers, 64 players max each. Embarrassingly miniscule for one of the best selling, best received Star Wars games of its time, if not of all time. You’d expect more than 192 people would buy your game on launch, especially something this big.
That was as it launched. There are now a whole bunch of dedicated servers.
People have got their knickers in a twist over nothing.
Dude, imagine you buy a brand new car for a 5 person family and then as you arrive to drive it off the lot you find out its only got the two front seats… Launches like this are completely unacceptable.
Yes, because that’s exactly the same thing.
It was literally a few hours later that they added the dedicated servers and people could play online.
…but not before launch? The game launched and they weren’t there? So they released a game and there were only three servers available? Hours later they added a bunch of servers? AFTER LAUNCH? Is there another way I can phrase this so you realise how stupid it is that you’re defending it?
Game has online problems for the first few hours after launch. This has never happened before in the history of video games. 🙄
Wasn’t Helldivers 2 almost impossible to play for the first month? Yet there wasn’t much anger about that. This has a problem for a few hours and it’s the worst thing that has ever happened. 😂
I recall there being plenty of talk about Helldivers servers. About a month’s worth. Meanwhile I haven’t seen a single person say this is the worst thing that’s ever happened or that it’s never happened before with other games, just that releasing a multiplayer game and only having three servers available is absurd. That and the apparently poor port at least on Switch detailed in another comment.
Believe it or not, shit happening before doesn’t change anything. Shit’s still shit. And we all already know the only actual obstacle to ensuring a smooth multiplayer launch (assuming a competently made game, of course) is paying for enough servers to handle the initial surge. They just prefer not to spend that money and present a poor experience to customers who buy the game at launch instead, because fuck them right.
Do you know if you start up the game now, there’s plenty of servers and it, you know, works?
Are you really so impatient that a problem for the first few hours gets you this het up?
I don’t own the game. It’s not a problem for me at all. It’s a principle, and a reflection of a publisher’s greed and disrespect towards its customers.
Do you know that people bought the game, downloaded it, installed it, sat to play it, and couldn’t because the publisher didn’t want to pay for the required servers for their most loyal customers to do so?
Sure, it’s good that there are servers now, but that’s the minimum I expect and I expect them there at launch. You know, so people who have paid money to play their game actually can. Far be it for me to think an online multiplayer game should have servers to play online multiplayer in when it’s available to buy.
Brilliant. Someone who doesn’t even own the game pontificating like an expert on it. 😂
“Couldn’t play the game”. There’s literally a bunch of single player content in the game. It’s not online-only.
Believe it or not it’s possible to gather information about things without directly experiencing it and I tend to do this with new games. I also already have the originals on steam.
Yes and it’s a multiplayer classic that they couldn’t play multiplayer in. It doesn’t ruin the game, it didn’t destroy the experience permanently, it’s not the end of the world, but it’s shit and only happened because of the publisher’s greed. No clue why you feel the need to defend it really.
[Edit] I also haven’t said a single word that even implies I’m an expert on it. I mentioned bugginess that I said I saw in a comment and talked about servers being unavailable. What level of star wars battlefront expert do you think I need to be to discuss specific star wars battlefront things like…bugs and servers?
I wouldn’t be defending the game if it was actually as broken as is being made out.
It’s vastly overblown.
But all people have said is that it’s buggy on switch (with screenshot proof) and that there weren’t enough servers for hours after launch. Is it you that’s overblowing it?
The article linked at the top literally calls it a “disaster”.
That’s a fair point. Though the actual people I’ve seen talking about it have said it’s buggy as well though, more than a few have refunded.
No.
Not *A * multiplayer game. A multiplayer STAR WARS game. And not just any multiplayer Star Wars game - no, the single best received Star Wars game of its kind in the last two decades, coupled with its prequel… And they estimated around 200 people to play it at launch.
Like.
What.
Imagine licking boots this hard. Is your tongue raw?
Imagine just playing and enjoying a game, rather than forming your opinion based on an IGN article.
The first review that came up for me:
For those wondering if this is under exaggerated, it’s not. Now my experience is on the Switch.
This issues I saw in my time before I got refunded was as follow. Texture Flickering and Shadow Flickering (hard to see as a screen shot so this is the worse I saw)
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/08206a09-a6e3-49ee-8143-3663bff5f81f.png">
Textures that are still in 4:3 and not 16:9
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b7b25934-dcd0-4685-b4ca-348adb7cb85b.png">
Random Texture floating when they shouldn’t be
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2fabf445-dbed-41a3-9f36-f368a51b442e.png">
The lighting failing on the Bridges on the Naboo Map
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6eb4a734-e948-40bb-a12d-889f45daac0a.png">
And the FMV’s being so compressed you can see the compression artifacting (and this is a game that ~34GB)
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fc0704b0-77dc-452b-a953-2cfb3e106d41.png">
Wow, that is… Bad.
Lol that FMV looks like it came from a long lost GBA Video release of Star Wars
This is a frame, it cleans up in the next. However it is sooooo distracting.
Well I’m glad you laying it out for us, I’ve got a better idea what I’m dealing with. And it really does miff me on how unnecessarily wasteful the game is with storage
Ditto, I sadly didn’t go online so no comment there. Well I mean I tried once and I couldn’t connect so I just jumped into instant action. But yeah the storage requirements are a bit unrealistic on Switch. I don’t think you can even play it on OG switch without a Micro SD Card.
The original games are about 4 GB each. Together they should be around 8 GB.
What the fuck is the rest of the size used for!?
My guess 4K textures or the 720p switch 🤣
1080p (docked). So you’d plan for 1080p.
But you’re actually probably at least partly right. I’m sure they’ve done at least some upscaling and stored at a higher res which may actually take up more space.
And not to mention: the original versions actually run fine to this day. Pure money grab and they made the product(s) worse to do it.
Headed for Tortuga.
Wow this looks so disappointing.
It look like they just barely fixed controller support in the original.
I expected at least upgraded textures and particle effects.
Two Battle front let downs in a row (EA, and now this). 😞
The controls are “fine” for the most part. If you were on an Xbox controller it would work. Space Battles in Battlefront II are an improvement, but the same treatment was never made to Battlefront 1. If I had to complain about anything, it’s that the auto aim needs to be more sensitive and when you blast an enemy it auto locks on them like the console games. Mouse and keyboard this would be annoying but on controller it’s necessary.
Looking at the 34GB install, I’m guessing it’s some kind of massive emulation layer; it’s scary to say but I feel like we’ve just run out of game developers that can genuinely code against the machine itself to optimize install size and performance.
When you look back on the meager specs of old consoles and what they got running there, it now feels more and more impressive.
Emulators don’t take up that kind of space. In general, code makes up a small fraction of any game.
Bugs with textures and lighting seem just the way I remember BFII.
34GB? Yowch.
Sear the name Aspyr into your mind, and look out for them when they redo old star wars games like this. An underwhelming experience is what I've come to expect from their attempts at Jedi Outcast/Academy and Republic Commando on Switch.
The best you can expect from them is bare minimum passably running games, sort of the antithesis to Night Dive
Nightdive, my beloved
Sear the name Embracer into your mind. This is what’s going to happen with any studio owned by them. This is what ruthlessly taking a blowtorch to all of your studios headcounts gets you.
Generally speaking, game devs never like putting out a bad product. It’s a creative industry, and one that people go into because they love games (otherwise they’d be working in fintech where the pay is much better). I guarantee it was Embracer who made the call to launch this product in its current broken state, and probably also Embracer who put so little money aside for server infrastructure.
Weren’t there a bunch of mods for the original releases that upgraded textures, added maps and factions and all that? Why would anyone buy these rereleases instead?
Another game launch, another broken game. How hard is it to just release a game that works? This is a port as well - pretty much their entire job with this was fixing issues and optimisation
I want to blame the company but from their point of view this business model works so I understand why it keeps happening.
Steam refunds are great for situations like these but I doubt the average casual knows how easy it is. The other platforms are much stricter on refunds.
There’s also the culture shift of gamers defending broken releases with “at least they fixed it!” Or “they released a roadmap for future fixes” that encourages early releases.
Harder than delivering shit and cashing in just as much. The grab&run simply is more profitable than actually putting in the work - especially since there seem to be no palpable negative consequences.
A game with a working version on the same platform and distribution program, no less!
and I bet this made bank, hence why things will never change with online game releases
I just want to give a shout out to the Star wars mod Galactic Contention for Squad. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=24…
It is a bit more involved than your typical battlefront match, but the reward is a Star Wars game we could have only dreamed of in the past. I can’t overstate how good of a mod this is.