I’m a Borderlands fan, but it absolutely isn’t even in the same universe of quality as BG3. Borderlands is dumb, pretty shitty and lost quality with each game. It’s mindless fun, like B movie popcorn flicks.
I would absolutely disagree. Fun, maybe. Mindless fun? No. I’m fine with games that are mindless fun, but it isn’t what all games should strive for. I personally much prefer games that require your focus and consideration.
Mindless fun is cheap and easy. Making a game that sits in people minds for years is difficult and takes effort, but is much more rewarding. BG3, for example, is anything but mindless, which is why it’s been able to still be in conversations for so long after it released. How much do people talk about Call of Duty, even though it sells like crazy?
BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee
on 23 May 06:04
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i hear talk about call of duty all the time, and especially in its heyday it was talked about pretty much everywhere. meanwhile i only hear BG3 talked about online or from my brother who’s currently playing it. so i think you just proved your own self wrong there. CoD and borderlands are 2 game franchises that are already talked about a lot. hell just look at this own post, its about borderlands
People talk about playing CoD. They don’t discuss the game really, and also this is being discussed because it’s news, and also because they’re being greedy and stupid. Again, it isn’t the game being discussed.
BG3 people talk about the story, the writing, the gameplay, etc. They talk about how the game is something actually made for players, to be enjoyed, not by business people to make money. They talk about the game.
Saying “do you want to play CoD tonight” is different than discussing why the gameplay of CoD is good/new/innovative/whatever.
I actually did see people discuss the campaign of the new CoD (or maybe the one before) because it was actually fairly unique for them. Other than that, the only time I hear about CoD is people talking about how much money it makes, how bad the skins are, or things like that. It holds almost no relevance in game discussion circles because everything they did well has been innovated on since then.
People talked about how smooth and responsive CoD 4 was, because it was innovating. People don’t talk about the mechanics of whatever the latest CoD is, because it’s not doing anything worth copying.
I also see posts about it often on !games@lemmy.world, although admittedly I don’t pay attention to the usernames of the people who make those posts, or the usernames of the people commenting. But I’d doubt the comments are all just @Cethin talking to themselves ;)
Eh, I wouldn’t say even mindless fun is easy, from what I hear game dev is hard and a lot of effort and hard work can still end up in something unfun. Probably not your intention but I don’t want to devalue the efforts of people who probably want to make something to help other people enjoy a bit, that I probably don’t have the skill to make myself.
I’m a hobbyist game dev, and I have friends in the industry, and yeah it hard to make anything at all. I meant more that it’s easy to conceptualize mindless fun. Implementing either is just as hard really.
This is as wrong as Ebert saying games can’t be “art”.
I love silly, junk-food sitcoms. But I would never say they are the best quality.
SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip
on 23 May 12:19
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But that type of fun is something I can get from many other games, making borderlands way less desirable if it’s $80. On the other hand if larian says that their next game is $80, I already know that I won’t find that type of experience anywhere else and I might just splurge.
what game would you consider “not pure dogshit”? seriously, what games? give me a list, because if an acclaimed franchise that was widely praised and birthed a literal genre is considered dogshit, then what isnt dogshit?
borderlands wasn’t the first looter shooter. that was hellgate london.
TommySoda@lemmy.world
on 22 May 05:49
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I didn’t even buy Borderlands 3 for $60 and there’s no way in hell I’d pay $80 for something similar. I spent the full price of Baldur’s Gate 3 for myself and two of my friends for a total of $180. Make the game worth it and you have my money. If the development cost of games has gone up then prove it and make better games.
Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world
on 22 May 12:58
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I thought BL3 tanked so I’m pretty surprised they think they can charge this month. Did it review poorly and still sell well??
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 May 21:30
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It and it’s DLC sold just fine because BL3 is miles above BL2 in gameplay (though yes it’s story and voice acting are painful, 2 hasn’t aged as well as many of us might remember it did in that regard, either)
Tbh I expect the same thing for this one: better gameplay, worse writing
Having seen the tonal shift in the gameplay preview I’d actually expect better writing, or at least more bearable writing. Gameplay looked more fine tuned but mostly the same as 3.
Do you really need a guide? It works exactly the same as Windows. The only difference is you need to run it through WINE with Proton. That’s easiest handled with Heroic Launcher or Lutris, which you’re probably already using one of these already. Just add the executable and launch it. (You may need to run an installer first, which Heroic at least makes really easy.)
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
on 22 May 06:35
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I’ll buy this when it’s $20 with all expansions in two years.
It’s not because of Randy Bobandy here, him making an inane, alienating comment is his gimmick at this point and should be expected. It’s t because I found that if I play a game on release I end up playing the worst version of the game. And then I never play expansions because I rarely replay games and I’m not about to play an expansion to a game I haven’t played in a year without replaying the base game again.
So I buy games a year late, at half the price. I love gaming.
Love doing this with modern atlus games. Cant wait to buy the “royal golden reloaded remaster collection” edition for $20 from a used/third party retailer.
Exactly. They can charge $200 if they want to but it doesn't mean people are going to buy at that price. The price point needs to be where people are okay paying for it and I don't see it happening at $80. Okay, I lied a bit, I see it happening for some games but not for BL4.
I'm willing to eat my words but I doubt I need to. In a world where Clair Obscur costs $50 I don't how see how BL could be $30 better than one of the best games released this year.
If Ubisoft can convince themselves that Skull and Bones was the first “quadruple A game” and worth $70, then I doubt most studio execs can pull their heads out their ass for long enough to properly ask themselves that. Studios have completely lost touch with what people actually want and are willing to pay.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 22 May 20:11
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I just think it’s funny. Big game corpos failing is just hilarious. I’m glad Larian is doing well tho.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 22 May 08:20
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I mean, extremely low hanging fruit there…
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth
on 22 May 12:55
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I thought it would be Swen making the comment, happily surprised to see it's someone else at Larian.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
on 22 May 12:58
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Yeah, inflation is a thing. But so is increasing volumes in sales with low cost distribution of the product.
After a game is made now, the only cost is distribution now, and games sell in larger volumes than ever before, making more money than ever before. A game like BL4? Even if they spent $300,000,000 making the game they only need to sell 6,000,000 copies to recoup costs at $70. BL3 has sold 18,000,000 copies. A huge profit, even if most of those sales were on sale prices. BL3 was made and advertised with a 140 million dollar budget.
Not to mention, all of the dlc that’ll inevitably be released, following every other borderlands game pattern. Wonder what they’ll try to set the prices of those at
DLC now costs $60. If you can’t afford it, sell a kidney /s.
whotookkarl@lemmy.world
on 22 May 13:22
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Greasy Randy isn’t exactly known for being not gross prior to the comment either
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world
on 22 May 13:42
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Every Corporate asshole: “Give me all your money, you don’t need to eat, sleep, or live. If you don’t, you’re not cool like me!”
So sick of dropping asshole companies because of idiots constantly pushing this garbage. Oh well.
“But I was trained in management school to think of people as nothing more than numbers! It’s not my fault!” - corpo piece of shit.
L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works
on 22 May 20:36
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Real fans would find a way to wait for the game to go on sale for $2.
thetrekkersparky@startrek.website
on 22 May 20:40
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I haven’t bought full price games in ages. Games are always released half finished now. Wait six months to a year until it goes on sale and they actually finish the game.
AlphaOmega@lemmy.world
on 22 May 21:39
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I honestly can’t remember the last time I paid full price for a game. Between free amazon prime games, epic games, gog, and steam demos/freebies: I hardly have time to invest in new games.
I used to buy Madden/NBA2k every year up until 2008 or so, now I grab one every five years at $10. Includes all the bugs from the previous version.
I have 1000s of games now and don’t have any time to play them. BG3 is the only game I’m considering spending $40 for.
I’ll gladly buy indies, breakout titles with huge reception (BG3, E33 etc), or games from well renowned studios that have yet to let me down. Anything else I’m fine waiting for a sale. With these $80 price tags I don’t see myself buying a AAA title again for a LONG time.
CDPR hadn’t let me down. Yet. Ultimately, they redeemed themselves, sure, but at launch… whew, there were issues.
Game companies CAN redeem themselves. Business wise though? Its hard to recoup that kind of shaken faith in investors, board members, etc; let alone the people you’re actually trying to sell to.
There are so MANY fucking games out there these days, that I’ll look at something new, and decide I don’t like certain elements of the gameplay, and just move on.
If a feature looks more frustrating than fun? I’m good, thanks.
I’ve played hard games on the hardest setting for the challenge. I’ve also played “easy” just to get drunk and enjoy a story.
If it isn’t fun though? Then what am I doing here?
I already spend 8+ hours a day on the computer and hate it, but at least they pay me.
yea, but BG3 didn’t release in a complete state. With that said, Larian has delivered on their promise and that’s really a good example of how a AA/AAA title can do early access in a good and healthy way.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works
on 22 May 23:29
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I bought borderlands 2 the other week and it’s been a blast on my SteamDeck. Unfortunately it seems it’s one of those games that loves to connect online all the time, like it’ll kick me out of single player if it detects wifi and make me reload into… singleplayer, but online. with 0 differences.
I probably would’ve been better off pirating it tbh.
Here’s really important thing that the likes of randy don’t want to know. I would actually pay $80 for Baldur’s Gate 3, because that product is actually worth it. You can actually see where your money is going what it’s paying for.
But Borderlands, really? I was already not interested in this game, but why would anyone pay $80 for, at best, an AA game?
LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org
on 23 May 05:49
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I’d sooner spend it on a “AA” game than an AAA game, frankly
it’s incredible that pitchford is still allowed to talk. there should be a bot that auto-responds “shut the fuck up” to everything he says, tweets, or even thinks.
hey I’ll let you price this 80 bucks if you fully refund me for the scam that was borderlands 1. fucking unfinished piece of shit, i can’t believe i played that game for multiple hours hoping it would improve beyond the first.
and later i learned that i was completely right to quit that shit because the bullshit throwaway story of this “rpg” doesn’t even conclude properly. it literally ends like Geraldo Rivera’s fucking Al Capone vault.
fuck you pitchford. shut the fuck up and go back to “storing porn for the purposes of researching magic tricks” or whatever. literally never speak again.
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Bitchford wishes he could be part of something that was even near a single iota of the same quality of BG3.
he did though? borderlands 1, 2, pre sequel, and 3
lol
I’m a Borderlands fan, but it absolutely isn’t even in the same universe of quality as BG3. Borderlands is dumb, pretty shitty and lost quality with each game. It’s mindless fun, like B movie popcorn flicks.
mindless fun is the best quality a video game can ever have
I would absolutely disagree. Fun, maybe. Mindless fun? No. I’m fine with games that are mindless fun, but it isn’t what all games should strive for. I personally much prefer games that require your focus and consideration.
Mindless fun is cheap and easy. Making a game that sits in people minds for years is difficult and takes effort, but is much more rewarding. BG3, for example, is anything but mindless, which is why it’s been able to still be in conversations for so long after it released. How much do people talk about Call of Duty, even though it sells like crazy?
i hear talk about call of duty all the time, and especially in its heyday it was talked about pretty much everywhere. meanwhile i only hear BG3 talked about online or from my brother who’s currently playing it. so i think you just proved your own self wrong there. CoD and borderlands are 2 game franchises that are already talked about a lot. hell just look at this own post, its about borderlands
People talk about playing CoD. They don’t discuss the game really, and also this is being discussed because it’s news, and also because they’re being greedy and stupid. Again, it isn’t the game being discussed.
BG3 people talk about the story, the writing, the gameplay, etc. They talk about how the game is something actually made for players, to be enjoyed, not by business people to make money. They talk about the game.
i dont get it. talking about playing a game isnt talking about the game? what sense does that make
Saying “do you want to play CoD tonight” is different than discussing why the gameplay of CoD is good/new/innovative/whatever.
I actually did see people discuss the campaign of the new CoD (or maybe the one before) because it was actually fairly unique for them. Other than that, the only time I hear about CoD is people talking about how much money it makes, how bad the skins are, or things like that. It holds almost no relevance in game discussion circles because everything they did well has been innovated on since then.
People talked about how smooth and responsive CoD 4 was, because it was innovating. People don’t talk about the mechanics of whatever the latest CoD is, because it’s not doing anything worth copying.
not talking about “do you want to play cod” but hey at least people talk about it
whos talking about bg3 besides you here? i havent seen them
!baldurs_gate_3@lemmy.world
I also see posts about it often on !games@lemmy.world, although admittedly I don’t pay attention to the usernames of the people who make those posts, or the usernames of the people commenting. But I’d doubt the comments are all just @Cethin talking to themselves ;)
well you never know with turn based strategy game fan
People eat and talk about McDonalds every day, but that doesn’t make it haute cuisine.
Eh, I wouldn’t say even mindless fun is easy, from what I hear game dev is hard and a lot of effort and hard work can still end up in something unfun. Probably not your intention but I don’t want to devalue the efforts of people who probably want to make something to help other people enjoy a bit, that I probably don’t have the skill to make myself.
I’m a hobbyist game dev, and I have friends in the industry, and yeah it hard to make anything at all. I meant more that it’s easy to conceptualize mindless fun. Implementing either is just as hard really.
This is as wrong as Ebert saying games can’t be “art”.
I love silly, junk-food sitcoms. But I would never say they are the best quality.
But that type of fun is something I can get from many other games, making borderlands way less desirable if it’s $80. On the other hand if larian says that their next game is $80, I already know that I won’t find that type of experience anywhere else and I might just splurge.
Yeah and they didn’t cost $80.
didnt cost 70 either, like bg3
Damn, I’m sorry.
Hope you get to play something that isn’t pure dogshit one of these days.
what game would you consider “not pure dogshit”? seriously, what games? give me a list, because if an acclaimed franchise that was widely praised and birthed a literal genre is considered dogshit, then what isnt dogshit?
borderlands wasn’t the first looter shooter. that was hellgate london.
I didn’t even buy Borderlands 3 for $60 and there’s no way in hell I’d pay $80 for something similar. I spent the full price of Baldur’s Gate 3 for myself and two of my friends for a total of $180. Make the game worth it and you have my money. If the development cost of games has gone up then prove it and make better games.
I thought BL3 tanked so I’m pretty surprised they think they can charge this month. Did it review poorly and still sell well??
It and it’s DLC sold just fine because BL3 is miles above BL2 in gameplay (though yes it’s story and voice acting are painful, 2 hasn’t aged as well as many of us might remember it did in that regard, either)
Tbh I expect the same thing for this one: better gameplay, worse writing
Having seen the tonal shift in the gameplay preview I’d actually expect better writing, or at least more bearable writing. Gameplay looked more fine tuned but mostly the same as 3.
Charge what you want but don’t be cocky about it, easy.
There once was a game that was not free
The head of the game was big Randy
He joked one day with a cheery grin
Real fans would pay the fee HUAGH
Soon may the pirates come
To snag some games and have their fun
One day, when the cracks are done
We’ll take our games and go
We need piracy guides for linux users as well, brother/sister
Do you really need a guide? It works exactly the same as Windows. The only difference is you need to run it through WINE with Proton. That’s easiest handled with Heroic Launcher or Lutris, which you’re probably already using one of these already. Just add the executable and launch it. (You may need to run an installer first, which Heroic at least makes really easy.)
I’ll buy this when it’s $20 with all expansions in two years.
It’s not because of Randy Bobandy here, him making an inane, alienating comment is his gimmick at this point and should be expected. It’s t because I found that if I play a game on release I end up playing the worst version of the game. And then I never play expansions because I rarely replay games and I’m not about to play an expansion to a game I haven’t played in a year without replaying the base game again.
So I buy games a year late, at half the price. I love gaming.
Love doing this with modern atlus games. Cant wait to buy the “royal golden reloaded remaster collection” edition for $20 from a used/third party retailer.
Welp looks like it’s know what the next jimquisition is going to be on.
Will Borderlands 4 be an Epic exclusive like 3? Really fighting an uphill battle there
No, it will be on steam day one. They had to figure out a new way to shoot their sales numbers in the foot.
Look, you can charge whatever you want.
“Is your game worth $80 to average gamers dealing with (gestures broadly at state of world economy)?”
That is the question every studio executive needs to ask themselves.
Given the recent trends in AAA-funded projects, for the most part, that answer is “Oh, hell no.”
Exactly. They can charge $200 if they want to but it doesn't mean people are going to buy at that price. The price point needs to be where people are okay paying for it and I don't see it happening at $80. Okay, I lied a bit, I see it happening for some games but not for BL4.
How do you know for certain without seeing gameplay or trying it? No one knows what’s in the game except the devs.
What if it’s OG borderlands and there’s no battle pass or microtransactions.
This is more of a don’t pre order type thing.
Ha, good joke
I'm willing to eat my words but I doubt I need to. In a world where Clair Obscur costs $50 I don't how see how BL could be $30 better than one of the best games released this year.
I always trying my games before i buy them.
IMO If they made a game exactly like BL1/2 with better graphics and updated gameplay, it still wouldn’t be worth $80.
BL just isn’t all that great, but fortunately the price of their games falls to what they’re worth pretty quickly.
If Ubisoft can convince themselves that Skull and Bones was the first “quadruple A game” and worth $70, then I doubt most studio execs can pull their heads out their ass for long enough to properly ask themselves that. Studios have completely lost touch with what people actually want and are willing to pay.
I just think it’s funny. Big game corpos failing is just hilarious. I’m glad Larian is doing well tho.
I mean, extremely low hanging fruit there…
I thought it would be Swen making the comment, happily surprised to see it's someone else at Larian.
Yeah, inflation is a thing. But so is increasing volumes in sales with low cost distribution of the product.
After a game is made now, the only cost is distribution now, and games sell in larger volumes than ever before, making more money than ever before. A game like BL4? Even if they spent $300,000,000 making the game they only need to sell 6,000,000 copies to recoup costs at $70. BL3 has sold 18,000,000 copies. A huge profit, even if most of those sales were on sale prices. BL3 was made and advertised with a 140 million dollar budget.
Not to mention, all of the dlc that’ll inevitably be released, following every other borderlands game pattern. Wonder what they’ll try to set the prices of those at
DLC now costs $60. If you can’t afford it, sell a kidney /s.
Greasy Randy isn’t exactly known for being not gross prior to the comment either
Every Corporate asshole: “Give me all your money, you don’t need to eat, sleep, or live. If you don’t, you’re not cool like me!”
So sick of dropping asshole companies because of idiots constantly pushing this garbage. Oh well.
“But I was trained in management school to think of people as nothing more than numbers! It’s not my fault!” - corpo piece of shit.
Real fans would find a way to wait for the game to go on sale for $2.
I haven’t bought full price games in ages. Games are always released half finished now. Wait six months to a year until it goes on sale and they actually finish the game.
I honestly can’t remember the last time I paid full price for a game. Between free amazon prime games, epic games, gog, and steam demos/freebies: I hardly have time to invest in new games.
I used to buy Madden/NBA2k every year up until 2008 or so, now I grab one every five years at $10. Includes all the bugs from the previous version.
I have 1000s of games now and don’t have any time to play them. BG3 is the only game I’m considering spending $40 for.
I’ll gladly buy indies, breakout titles with huge reception (BG3, E33 etc), or games from well renowned studios that have yet to let me down. Anything else I’m fine waiting for a sale. With these $80 price tags I don’t see myself buying a AAA title again for a LONG time.
I felt that way about CyberPunk 2077 and CDPR.
CDPR hadn’t let me down. Yet. Ultimately, they redeemed themselves, sure, but at launch… whew, there were issues.
Game companies CAN redeem themselves. Business wise though? Its hard to recoup that kind of shaken faith in investors, board members, etc; let alone the people you’re actually trying to sell to.
There are so MANY fucking games out there these days, that I’ll look at something new, and decide I don’t like certain elements of the gameplay, and just move on.
If a feature looks more frustrating than fun? I’m good, thanks.
I’ve played hard games on the hardest setting for the challenge. I’ve also played “easy” just to get drunk and enjoy a story.
If it isn’t fun though? Then what am I doing here?
I already spend 8+ hours a day on the computer and hate it, but at least they pay me.
The only game I paid full price in recent years was BG3, because it’s worth it, and the people who worked in the game were worth it.
yea, but BG3 didn’t release in a complete state. With that said, Larian has delivered on their promise and that’s really a good example of how a AA/AAA title can do early access in a good and healthy way.
I bought borderlands 2 the other week and it’s been a blast on my SteamDeck. Unfortunately it seems it’s one of those games that loves to connect online all the time, like it’ll kick me out of single player if it detects wifi and make me reload into… singleplayer, but online. with 0 differences.
I probably would’ve been better off pirating it tbh.
Here’s really important thing that the likes of randy don’t want to know. I would actually pay $80 for Baldur’s Gate 3, because that product is actually worth it. You can actually see where your money is going what it’s paying for.
But Borderlands, really? I was already not interested in this game, but why would anyone pay $80 for, at best, an AA game?
I’d sooner spend it on a “AA” game than an AAA game, frankly
They’re really just milking what nostalgia still remains for a franchise that people have largely moved on from.
They could instead try to boldly reinvent it to grab new customers, but I’m not seeing it.
Damn. I honestly had no interest in Borderlands anymore, but this has inspired me to pirate Borderlands 4 just as a fuck you.
Borderlands 3 was fun but like a final piece to this genre. Many guns, amusing storyline, corny humor and great world design.
Guess I will wait for Dale then. I didn’t even finish the last borderlands
it’s incredible that pitchford is still allowed to talk. there should be a bot that auto-responds “shut the fuck up” to everything he says, tweets, or even thinks.
hey I’ll let you price this 80 bucks if you fully refund me for the scam that was borderlands 1. fucking unfinished piece of shit, i can’t believe i played that game for multiple hours hoping it would improve beyond the first.
and later i learned that i was completely right to quit that shit because the bullshit throwaway story of this “rpg” doesn’t even conclude properly. it literally ends like Geraldo Rivera’s fucking Al Capone vault.
fuck you pitchford. shut the fuck up and go back to “storing porn for the purposes of researching magic tricks” or whatever. literally never speak again.