NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 20 Aug 20:16
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I always preferred the HLL model of sweaty milsim over Squad but…
A decent number of games have tried (US-)Vietnam over the years and it just doesn’t work. Because people think of the Vietcong versus GIs in jungles or ambushes in towns and along the river. And… the problem with that is it was a ridiculously asymmetrical fight. Like, yes, some troops did have AKs but mostly they were using WW2 era weaponry and maybe SKSes And firing precision shots through a jungle was a whole thing.
It was incredibly rare that these were standing fights. They were bloody ambushes that either ended in slaughter or… kind of just wandering away. And while that could be REALLY REALLY interesting from a gameplay standpoint it also breaks the milsim model of “every ticket matters”
As for those standing fights? They really weren’t that different than any other cold war conflict except that the ridgeline might be a wall of jungle.
Also… look, playing HLL pretty much guarantees you are dealing with, at best, rampant racism because “They were racist back then”. As someone who has tried to find some fun shooters over the years… going to Vietnam IMMEDIATELY reminds everyone that it is still perfectly okay to be mark wahlberg levels of racist towards Asian people. The number of videos on games like Rising Storm that just have random “ha ha, spawn at ching chong” from even “respected” youtubers is just infuriating.
Have you actually played Rising Storm 2: Vietnam? I thought the setting worked decently well there. And I really didn’t encounter any racism aside from popular lines like “Welcome to the ricefields mfer”. It still has a couple of populated servers going even though it’s kinda outdated compared to HLL or Squad 44.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 21 Aug 13:27
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Yes, I have. RSV is mostly corridors outside of a few maps that try to represent a trenchline. It sort of works because spawns are fast and tickets are plentiful but it is still mostly just a day at the Metro in BF3+. Once you start making tickets count more, that starts being a lot less viable.
And yes, I experienced a LOT of anti-Asian hate while playing. Understand that some of us have different levels of tolerance for that than others (which was kinda my point on why this is gonna be extra bad).
My dude, most of the biggest battles of both Vietnam wars were against the standing army of North Vietnam (PAVN), which was a proper army, not just against the VC that were irregular insurgents attacking the South.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world
on 21 Aug 03:24
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can you play as the Vietcong and protect yourself from colonial imperialists?
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I always preferred the HLL model of sweaty milsim over Squad but…
A decent number of games have tried (US-)Vietnam over the years and it just doesn’t work. Because people think of the Vietcong versus GIs in jungles or ambushes in towns and along the river. And… the problem with that is it was a ridiculously asymmetrical fight. Like, yes, some troops did have AKs but mostly they were using WW2 era weaponry and maybe SKSes And firing precision shots through a jungle was a whole thing.
It was incredibly rare that these were standing fights. They were bloody ambushes that either ended in slaughter or… kind of just wandering away. And while that could be REALLY REALLY interesting from a gameplay standpoint it also breaks the milsim model of “every ticket matters”
As for those standing fights? They really weren’t that different than any other cold war conflict except that the ridgeline might be a wall of jungle.
Also… look, playing HLL pretty much guarantees you are dealing with, at best, rampant racism because “They were racist back then”. As someone who has tried to find some fun shooters over the years… going to Vietnam IMMEDIATELY reminds everyone that it is still perfectly okay to be mark wahlberg levels of racist towards Asian people. The number of videos on games like Rising Storm that just have random “ha ha, spawn at ching chong” from even “respected” youtubers is just infuriating.
So… not really happy this exists
Have you actually played Rising Storm 2: Vietnam? I thought the setting worked decently well there. And I really didn’t encounter any racism aside from popular lines like “Welcome to the ricefields mfer”. It still has a couple of populated servers going even though it’s kinda outdated compared to HLL or Squad 44.
Yes, I have. RSV is mostly corridors outside of a few maps that try to represent a trenchline. It sort of works because spawns are fast and tickets are plentiful but it is still mostly just a day at the Metro in BF3+. Once you start making tickets count more, that starts being a lot less viable.
And yes, I experienced a LOT of anti-Asian hate while playing. Understand that some of us have different levels of tolerance for that than others (which was kinda my point on why this is gonna be extra bad).
My dude, most of the biggest battles of both Vietnam wars were against the standing army of North Vietnam (PAVN), which was a proper army, not just against the VC that were irregular insurgents attacking the South.
can you play as the Vietcong and protect yourself from colonial imperialists?
HLL let's you play both sides, so I expect this to also do