Watch a 13-year-old become the first person to ever beat Classic Tetris (www.polygon.com)
from ooli@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world on 02 Jan 2024 23:19
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Endorkend@kbin.social on 03 Jan 2024 00:32 next collapse

Why did Polygon include the CTWC video at the top of their page instead of BlueScuti's?

They are already stealing his views reposting his entire video with some bullshit commenting from them over the top of it and now Polygon is supporting that kind of behavior.

The kid did the work, give him the damn views.

Jackthelad@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 00:40 next collapse

It reminds me of if you look up a trailer on YouTube and the first results are usually a bunch of videos of people “reacting” to the trailer, with a stupid shocked face in the caption.

Endorkend@kbin.social on 03 Jan 2024 00:57 collapse

Yeah, and if the OG video was just a minute or so long, I get including it while "reporting" on it.

This kid did a 45 minute run, which CTWC included in their video in its entirety, their own contribution, being the intro and interview, are only a few minutes tacked on at each end.

It's infuriating.

xkforce@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 00:58 next collapse

It just goes to show you how low quality their journalism is. Didnt even bother finding the original source, just pulled the first video that came up in youtube search

Endorkend@kbin.social on 03 Jan 2024 01:06 collapse

That's what makes it extra messed up.

In the text of the article, they actually link to the kids video.

Yet the include of the page, they use that CTWC video.

So this isn't lazy or by accident, this is completely deliberate.

ttsci@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 01:14 collapse

Thanks for mentioning the original source! Here’s BlueScuti’s video, to save everyone else some searching. The moment he beats it is here, at 38:30.

LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz on 03 Jan 2024 01:39 next collapse

Thanks for the links. I went to watch and he’s actually live right now playing some tetris. Dudes a machine.

grue@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 02:42 next collapse

He was only on level 18 though, LOL

spoiler

(Yes, I know it rolled over and went to weird hexadecimal levels before that.)

LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch on 03 Jan 2024 02:23 collapse

This is the best comment in the thread. No muss, no fuss, just a link it the sauce and a timecode link to the actual event.

Thank you for your service.

Zahille7@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 01:23 next collapse

You can beat Tetris?

0110010001100010@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 01:26 next collapse

In this case, “beat” is causing the game to crash, lol. You can also roll the levels over (in theory) from 255 back to 0. The game gets glitchy at level 138 though so a human rolling over back to 0 seems fairly unlikely.

This is a great article I was reading earlier about it: arstechnica.com/…/someone-has-finally-beaten-nes-…

9cpluss@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 09:08 collapse

Here is a good video explaining it

youtu.be/GuJ5UuknsHU?si=WNWVw5pc1shhSKya

smeg@feddit.uk on 03 Jan 2024 09:32 collapse

That was a very interesting watch, cheers!

[deleted] on 03 Jan 2024 01:44 next collapse

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ElBarto@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jan 2024 02:58 collapse

Go on, give it a burl.

Speculater@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 03:53 next collapse

I know how to play Tetris pretty well, but damn it if I couldn’t follow just how fast you have to react at those last levels. By the time I see a piece on their screen and my brain says “box” they’ve placed 3 more pieces.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 12:00 collapse

It’s like chess. They have to think multiple moves ahead.

deweydecibel@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 04:12 next collapse

Apparently this kids dad died a week earlier and he decided the video to him.

blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 21:45 collapse

Unsure how true, but Sauce: www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/…/72097047007/

A 13-year-old Oklahoma boy became the first person to technically beat Tetris on the original 1988 Nintendo Entertainment System cartridge version. He dedicated his win to his dad, who died last month.

Eric_Pollock@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Jan 2024 05:02 next collapse

Youtube link

Thanks @ttsci

1bluepixel@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 06:35 collapse

Haha, he nearly passes out when he realizes he crashed the game. That kid is amazing.

cosmicrookie@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 09:18 next collapse

Is the Tetris on the original Gameboy not classic Tetris?

I completed that when I was a kid. I remember not having anyone to share they joy with, other than friends at school the day after!

AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 04:43 collapse

I thought the same. My mom beat it and claimed there was a rocket ship. I didn’t believe her until she made me sit by her and did it again.

cosmicrookie@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 06:45 collapse

And then all the rolling credits

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 10:58 next collapse

It looks like the game just crashed. And he looks happy rather than annoyed.

Is that what beating Tetris is? I thought it would maybe run out of cubes after a while, or something.

Metz@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 11:13 next collapse

It was posted yesterday with a different video that goes more into details what this is all about, the old records and how these were achieved and what the “true killscreen” (this crash) is, etc. I didn’t think it would actually be that interesting, but I watched the whole thing and quite enjoyed it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJ5UuknsHU

effward@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 11:40 collapse

I saw the post yesterday, but didn’t watch the video at the time.

Your comment convinced me to watch it, and, boy, was that more interesting than I expected.

One question remains: what are those gloves they are wearing? I get that it’s something that helps with the rolling technique, but is it just for abrasion/chafing prevention? Or does it do something else?

dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee on 03 Jan 2024 12:29 collapse

I’m guessing the gloves provide low and consistent friction theoughout the game. It’s probably easy to get either sweaty or dry fingers during a long run, which could probably ruin some precise movements.

It’s just my guess, though.

Nibodhika@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 13:56 next collapse

I haven’t read about the specifics of this Tetris crash, but usually what happens with these old games is that memory is very tightly packed, imagine you have a small version of Tetris that has 3 digits XYZ where X is the speed of the game, Y is the amount of lives and Z is the level you are in, so for example if you’re in speed 5 with 8 lives on level 7 the number would be 587, if you go up one level it becomes 588, now on that example if you’re on speed 9 with 9 lives on level 9, i.e. 999, and you go up one level the number becomes 1000, but because only the 3 last matter you’re now on speed 0, with 0 lives on level 0, since speed zero means nothing moves you crashed the game.

Again, this is not exactly what happened here, but probably something similar where increasing a number overflew to the next one in memory and that caused some weird behaviour.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 14:11 collapse

Yes, I completely understand that those games that ran on a shoestring can easily crash when some values are exceeded. What puzzles me is that I would have expected the player to be annoyed at his game crashing (of course simpler games on dedicated hardware didn’t really get to crash all that much back then, so maybe that was seen as an achievement of sorts).

I suppose it’s my lack of exposure to the console side of things, having gone from 8 bit PCs to the ubiquitous intel machines without ever using one of the dedicated gaming devices.

PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works on 03 Jan 2024 14:47 next collapse

There’s been a moving concept of the ‘killscreen’ in tetris. Pacman has a limit where the game isn’t any longer playable. Tetris only got to a certain speed and was too fast to progress until new tech for hitting buttons were discovered. Recently, someone found out that after a certain level some conditions would crash the game so people have been racing to meet those conditions.

calculuschild@lemm.ee on 03 Jan 2024 15:19 next collapse

Tetris doesn’t really have an end. It just keeps going. So this is a very specific crash where if you get far enough into the game, it can’t keep up with the player any more. You “beat” Tetris by playing so well you make the game break.

This is similar to getting pacman to crash by beating level 255 at which point incrementing the level goes past what can be stored and the data gets corrupted.

Ultraviolet@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 15:40 collapse

The crash was known, it’s been reached by a TAS but no human had gotten far enough to trigger it. He was intentionally trying for the crash to be the first one to do it.

Snowpix@lemmy.ca on 03 Jan 2024 15:42 collapse

Crashing the game was in fact the goal. It was discovered by using a bot that the game would eventually bug out and start trying to read tile data from the RAM, which gave a chance for the game to crash. No human player had been able to reach this game crash until now, which is why it’s a big deal. It’s the first time someone has technically beaten Tetris, as normally every single player will eventually top out and lose either due to mistakes or bad luck with the pieces.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 17:50 collapse

That makes sense. Thanks for the extra info.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 11:58 next collapse

Meanwhile, my wife got me an “official” Tetris handheld game for Christmas and not only does it only have 15 levels, but the music repeats once and then stops until you restart the game.

You know what I would love? A basic, no-frills Tetris game for my phone. I don’t know why that is too much to ask for.

HeapOfDogs@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 12:01 next collapse

I don’t know what phone you have but an nes emulator app and a Tetris ROM is totally a thing that’s not too complex

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 12:18 next collapse

iPhone, unfortunately. Stupid walled garden.

shinratdr@lemmy.ca on 03 Jan 2024 22:05 collapse
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 16:02 collapse

You can also get cheap, ESP32 based gameboy pocket style emulator handhelds that are nice. They stopped making the original Odroid Go, but there are others out there.

aiden@lemm.ee on 03 Jan 2024 14:28 next collapse

Check out falling lightblocks. I’m not sure if it’s on iPhone but on Android you have to get it from their website because Google removed it from the playstore because they got copyright claimed

Ultraviolet@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 14:34 next collapse

Blame the Tetris Guideline. In the mid 2000s, they changed the rotation system, and under the new system, any player of intermediate skill can just play forever. Once you know the tricks to keeping a piece in play and building the stack in a way that you can always get a piece where you want it, you can’t lose until you voluntarily lose. That was, needless to say, a bit broken for leaderboard purposes. So as a bandaid solution to that, the main mode was changed from endless to 150 lines.

SwallowsDick@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 17:42 collapse

Sounds interesting, can you elaborate?

Ultraviolet@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 19:10 collapse

The difficulty curve in Tetris has a few different possible knobs to adjust as the levels go up, generally involving how much of a delay you have on certain events. The most obvious is gravity, which is how many frames it takes to fall one space (or, to ramp that up further, how many spaces it falls per frame), but the relevant one here is lock delay. This is the amount of time between the piece landing and the player losing control over the piece. Low lock delay like you have on NES tends to make small mistakes a lot more punishing. High lock delay lets you reposition a piece shortly after it falls. Modern Tetris has a small but highly controversial change to the lock delay logic: rotating a piece resets the timer. This means you can spam the rotate button to think about where to place a piece indefinitely, a technique called infinite spin. Presumably this was done with timed and battle modes in mind, where this isn’t really an advantage because it’s always better to play quickly, but in endless it has no meaningful cost. So leaderboards started to get pretty grotesque, with top scoring games dragging on for dozens of hours. Something had to be done about it, and shifting focus entirely to timed and line limited modes was the choice they made for better or worse.

Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world on 03 Jan 2024 17:02 collapse

I have an old Tetris Microcard that is brilliant. Mines an older version of something like this and I love it. Plus it fits in your wallet… www.amazon.com/…/B07QC8DYTJ

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 17:03 collapse

Neat! I think the screen would be too small for my old eyes though.

crashoverride@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 12:10 next collapse

I’m pretty sure that many 13 yos beat the game when it came out. He isn’t the “first”

dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee on 03 Jan 2024 12:20 next collapse

Nope, reaching that screen of the game is a true first for any human.

Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Jan 2024 12:28 next collapse

It cost a quarter a play. Do you know how much money It would take to become that proficient? In '80s money?

Snowpix@lemmy.ca on 03 Jan 2024 15:45 collapse

If you’re playing it at an arcade it would cost a quarter. This is the NES console version of Tetris that’s being discussed.

Cybersteel@lemmy.world on 07 Jan 2024 12:08 collapse

TBF arcade versions are much superior to the console ports. Just like recently they made mortal Kombat forhome consoles but it’s was quite more defective even on genesis compared to the arcade machines.

Lennnny@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 14:57 collapse

Nope. There’s a whole thing where a human can’t move the joystick quick enough on full speed to clear the blocks so they invented a new method of tapping the joystick. This only got discovered in the last decade, and meant world record holders went from games at level 29 to games in the hundreds. This kid played until the game’s memory couldn’t cope anymore. That’s now the competition, pushing it until it crashes and hoping it happens on a higher level than the last person. The only achievement beyond this is mid-200s level when the game would roll over to 0. But that’s basically impossible because it’d crash far before that.

elekitty@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 12:44 next collapse

Beat tetris but you have to listen to the music on loop until you beat it

JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 2024 15:16 next collapse

Out of curiosity, is Tengen Tetris easier to beat? Does it scale differently?

Cybersteel@lemmy.world on 07 Jan 2024 12:03 collapse

TBF unlike adults, children have all the free time to master video games.

ooli@lemmy.world on 07 Jan 2024 19:39 collapse

do they? It is hard to concentrate so long on something to be able to master it this way. As a child I couldnt do any thing requiring a little bit of concentration, even video game more than 2h… watchning tv mindlessly, I stull can do it for hours on end