Capitalism deals with industry being owned privately.
If you want to complain about Microsoft being a publicly-traded, private-sector company rather than a worker cooperative or part of the government or whatever, okay, at least I can see where you’re coming from.
But a socialist economy is perfectly compatible with having high prices.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 02:32
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That’s a lot of money for any game, let alone one that will also be launching on Game Pass and, like its progenitor, is smaller scale than other open world RPGs of this ilk.
It’s this thinking that led to Starfield and Redfall being priced at $70 and Hi-Fi Rush priced at $30.
I could bitterly rationalise it if this were the release date trailer for the next Fable and I discovered Playground Games was charging me $80
Why? Playground hasn’t even made a game in this genre before. Why do you expect that to be more worth $80 than the company that’s been making acclaimed RPGs since its inception?
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 02:38
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If this game is as good as it looks Bethesda has to really step it up on Fallout 5 or big daddy Microsoft might give the IP back to its creators.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 02:40
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The Outer Worlds 1 was a fantastic palate cleanser after Starfield.
Nah, I loved The Outer Worlds. It gave me exactly what I wanted from the setting, it made me laugh, and it wasn’t bogged down in bloat by trying to be any bigger than it ought to have been.
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 12 Jun 01:52
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and it wasn’t bogged down in bloat by trying to be any bigger than it ought to have been.
It must be nice when your standards conveniently align with whatever makes the developers work less.
It’s quite nice, actually. Not all work on a game is equally worthwhile. Lots of my favorite franchises have devolved into games that grew larger to their own detriment. It doesn’t often happen that one of these types of games scales back down. And it’s not like there are zero big games that I like; Elden Ring and Baldur’s Gate 3 are both 100+ hour games that are some of my favorites of all time! But unlike a lot of big games, they actually felt like there was something interesting to see for that full runtime, whereas a lot of big games actively harm their pacing by filling it with uninteresting bloat.
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 12 Jun 01:51
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I personally loved it. I finished it quicker than most games I’ve played the last few years. I was actually surprised. It’s not a long game by any means, but still.
I didn’t love that it started a bit more radical and became more lib over time, but I still enjoyed the writing and gameplay quite a bit. It’s silly fun, and it’s not pretending not to be. It does have a message, but it’s not overtly drab or serious.
I’m not going to bother reading the article, because you can both be anti-capitalist and participate in the system as it exists today. The developers can’t pay rent with good vibes.
Clearly they should just make their own coffee and cut the avocado toast right?
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 12 Jun 11:03
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That would be a start.
They should also stop subscribing to dumb shit like netflix and spotify. Instead of using doordash, they should get comfortable making their own meals.
We can’t expect the system to change unless a majority of its participants are willing to change.
It’s a cultural problem, and people like you are doing your part to make sure it never gets solved.
I buy mostly indies now, usually on gog or itch too.
But sometimes on steam if it’s multiplayer.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub
on 11 Jun 18:12
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Well, yeah.
Vote with your wallet. I improved gaming by not buying a Switch 2.
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 12 Jun 01:42
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Thank you for your contribution.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jun 18:40
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That’s sort of how it works though isn’t it? If games at $80 are too much then less people will buy, profits will drop and publishers will either lower prices, or vanish and get replaced by ones that lower prices.
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 12 Jun 01:43
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How dare you use economic theory against them!?
Don’t you realize gamers are supposed to be idiots who will gladly pay whatever price is asked of them?
baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de
on 12 Jun 02:58
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pretty sure AA and AAA studio execs can also organize and collectively agree on an $80 or higher price tag until it eventually sticks
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 03:36
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Of course you can - if an adequate share of that money goes to the devs, the only issue is the money that doesn’t go to the devs. And they very likely don’t have much control over that money
Lol, the cognitive dissonance of whining about capitalism because their vidya game got a little more expensive. Not only is the entitlement and hypocrisy off the charts, there are so many ways to play games for cheap and/or free, the criticism is entirely moot. Don’t like the price a company is asking for for an entirely optional commodity? Don’t fucking pay it. It’s not that hard.
WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jun 23:27
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Don’t like the price a company is asking for for an entirely optional commodity? Don’t fucking pay it. It’s not that hard.
Don’t like the discussion a community is having for an entirely opinionated topic? Don’t fucking comment. It’s not that hard.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 14:25
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ITT: gamers are basically forced to buy this game.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 04:33
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They aren’t gonna charge me shit because the first one was so dull I only got halfway through it.
TommySoda@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 04:50
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I’m sure if it was up to the developers and creative minds behind the game this would have never been an issue. Sure, things like inflation have made the process of making games more expensive, but it’s not like the extra money is going to actually go back to the developers. I’m so sick of this “games are more expensive to make” bullshit while they treat their employees like garbage and make them work ungodly hours. Micro$oft makes more money in one day than most of us or any of the developers will ever see in our entire lifetimes yet they need to lecture us on why we need to give them more money.
To be clear, I hold no grudge against the actual developers of this game. The first one was pretty decent and I’m sure this next one will be relatively good as well. But remember that we are talking about the company that forced Arkane to make Redfall when they had no desire to make it, and after it failed fired everyone at Arkane Austin and closed the studio. This isn’t about making their money back to cover the cost of development, it’s about making as much profit as possible with the least amount of effort possible.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 21:06
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Games continue to get cheaper to make as middleware improves and advancing hardware lessens the need for optimisation. If companies choose to spend more on games despite this then that’s their problem.
stupidopensourceBS@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 05:21
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I guess the author learned that being anti-capitalist is somewhat trendy and couldn’t resist writing this opus. But this has nothing to do with the game or games in general.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 09:51
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“Capitalism is when pay money for things. I am very smart.”
Jesus Christ, I am begging people to actually learn what capitalism is before writing takes likes this.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 17:52
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These days its increasingly ‘capitalism is when you pay money for the chance to have a thing’
Chance as in gambling, so often you don’t even get what you pay for even with ‘reputable’ brands. This is particularly bad with appliances.
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 12 Jun 01:47
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I think it has more to do with how much they’re charging rather than them charging anything at all.
i.e. They’re maximizing profit off of people’s low standards by charging the most people are willing to pay while giving the least they’re willing to accept.
If this honestly had to be spelled out for you and you’re not just being willfully ignorant, you should really get some remedial education before shitting on others.
Quazatron@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 13:36
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Well, for starters, games are going to get more expensive.
That is their prerogative. Mine is not buying overpriced games.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 14:38
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That’s always been the case. They can charge whatever they like, I’ll only buy if I think the price is worth it.
dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 18:26
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It is called “a practical joke”.
commander@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 19:55
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Play that years down the line. The first one was OK but I paid like $15 for it with the expansion. Obsidian hasn’t had a clear jump in quality since the MS purchase. Possibly even signs of writing regression with Avowed so can’t imagine much hype for this game
Grounded is fun, and 2 is right around the corner, though they did (and plan similarly for 2) to release it in phases in early access and gather community feedback at every step
samus12345@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 17:25
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$80? No problem! 🏴☠️
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub
on 11 Jun 18:11
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Oh, it just modern Obsidian, no one is going to buy it anyway.
It’s crazy to think that a handful of people who have floated around Obsidian/Interplay/Black Isle have created (in my opinion) some of the best games to have ever existed.
You put a name like Chris Avellone or Tim Cain onto a project and I’m going to pay more attention to it than any AAA with millions put into trailers and other bullshit to sell you down the river.
Avowed was cool but not really worth the 70. I doubt TOW2 is worth 80, and specifically especially because Microsoft/ActiBlizzard is just following the Nintendo train, which is what everyone knew was going to happen with triple A studios.
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 12 Jun 01:41
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Yeah, it doesn’t surprise me.
Just gonna be another torrent for me.
Fuck these hypocrites. They’re all greedy, entitled consumerists.
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Microsoft doesn’t expect anyone to pay $80. They expect people to sub to Game Pass instead.
That’s even worse.
Ahh yes, perpetually renting access and being beholden to price hikes “just because.”
Makes sense all the morons who subscribe to netflix and spotify are also stupid enough to shill game pass.
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Capitalism deals with industry being owned privately.
If you want to complain about Microsoft being a publicly-traded, private-sector company rather than a worker cooperative or part of the government or whatever, okay, at least I can see where you’re coming from.
But a socialist economy is perfectly compatible with having high prices.
It’s this thinking that led to Starfield and Redfall being priced at $70 and Hi-Fi Rush priced at $30.
Why? Playground hasn’t even made a game in this genre before. Why do you expect that to be more worth $80 than the company that’s been making acclaimed RPGs since its inception?
If this game is as good as it looks Bethesda has to really step it up on Fallout 5 or big daddy Microsoft might give the IP back to its creators.
The Outer Worlds 1 was a fantastic palate cleanser after Starfield.
Nah, I loved The Outer Worlds. It gave me exactly what I wanted from the setting, it made me laugh, and it wasn’t bogged down in bloat by trying to be any bigger than it ought to have been.
It must be nice when your standards conveniently align with whatever makes the developers work less.
It’s quite nice, actually. Not all work on a game is equally worthwhile. Lots of my favorite franchises have devolved into games that grew larger to their own detriment. It doesn’t often happen that one of these types of games scales back down. And it’s not like there are zero big games that I like; Elden Ring and Baldur’s Gate 3 are both 100+ hour games that are some of my favorites of all time! But unlike a lot of big games, they actually felt like there was something interesting to see for that full runtime, whereas a lot of big games actively harm their pacing by filling it with uninteresting bloat.
Nowhere near as good as Fallout 4, though.
Also, insultingly short.
Hard disagree. I like Fallout 4 quite a bit, but I don’t think there’s any part of it I liked better than The Outer Worlds.
Yeah I have to disagree, the first game was lifeless and dull imo
I personally loved it. I finished it quicker than most games I’ve played the last few years. I was actually surprised. It’s not a long game by any means, but still.
I didn’t love that it started a bit more radical and became more lib over time, but I still enjoyed the writing and gameplay quite a bit. It’s silly fun, and it’s not pretending not to be. It does have a message, but it’s not overtly drab or serious.
Not sure how the first game was a snorefest - I genuinely had more fun in Starfield.
I’m not going to bother reading the article, because you can both be anti-capitalist and participate in the system as it exists today. The developers can’t pay rent with good vibes.
A healthy way to look at things, but also the guaranteed way to maintain the status quo. It’s funny how that works.
They can take action in other ways, including publishing anticapitalist messages in their game.
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Also the developers don’t set the price
I view society as a poison I can use to hurt people. Very anti-capitalist, and promotes participation in capitalist society.
They can consume less and live in cheaper areas.
But why would they unless they’re forced to?
Clearly they should just make their own coffee and cut the avocado toast right?
That would be a start.
They should also stop subscribing to dumb shit like netflix and spotify. Instead of using doordash, they should get comfortable making their own meals.
We can’t expect the system to change unless a majority of its participants are willing to change.
It’s a cultural problem, and people like you are doing your part to make sure it never gets solved.
OK boomer.
Thank you for the compliment.
My generation is full of morons so it’s nice to be seen as different from them.
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This Thread-
“We should improve gaming somewhat”
“Just don’t buy the game!”
Here’s the thing, there are already vendors doing largely what. Indies generally:
But people usually talk about big AAA games in these complaints. Buy indies and we’ll end up with more variety.
I buy mostly indies now, usually on gog or itch too.
But sometimes on steam if it’s multiplayer.
Well, yeah.
Vote with your wallet. I improved gaming by not buying a Switch 2.
Thank you for your contribution.
That’s sort of how it works though isn’t it? If games at $80 are too much then less people will buy, profits will drop and publishers will either lower prices, or vanish and get replaced by ones that lower prices.
How dare you use economic theory against them!?
Don’t you realize gamers are supposed to be idiots who will gladly pay whatever price is asked of them?
pretty sure AA and AAA studio execs can also organize and collectively agree on an $80 or higher price tag until it eventually sticks
Of course you can - if an adequate share of that money goes to the devs, the only issue is the money that doesn’t go to the devs. And they very likely don’t have much control over that money
Lol, the cognitive dissonance of whining about capitalism because their vidya game got a little more expensive. Not only is the entitlement and hypocrisy off the charts, there are so many ways to play games for cheap and/or free, the criticism is entirely moot. Don’t like the price a company is asking for for an entirely optional commodity? Don’t fucking pay it. It’s not that hard.
Don’t like the discussion a community is having for an entirely opinionated topic? Don’t fucking comment. It’s not that hard.
Nah, I think I will.
That’s fine. But then don’t pretend you have an issue with entitlement or hypocracy.
Mine is neither, but go off.
How about they don’t pay it and voice their discontent?
And I’ll voice mine.
So don’t buy it.
ITT: gamers are basically forced to buy this game.
They aren’t gonna charge me shit because the first one was so dull I only got halfway through it.
I’m sure if it was up to the developers and creative minds behind the game this would have never been an issue. Sure, things like inflation have made the process of making games more expensive, but it’s not like the extra money is going to actually go back to the developers. I’m so sick of this “games are more expensive to make” bullshit while they treat their employees like garbage and make them work ungodly hours. Micro$oft makes more money in one day than most of us or any of the developers will ever see in our entire lifetimes yet they need to lecture us on why we need to give them more money.
To be clear, I hold no grudge against the actual developers of this game. The first one was pretty decent and I’m sure this next one will be relatively good as well. But remember that we are talking about the company that forced Arkane to make Redfall when they had no desire to make it, and after it failed fired everyone at Arkane Austin and closed the studio. This isn’t about making their money back to cover the cost of development, it’s about making as much profit as possible with the least amount of effort possible.
Games continue to get cheaper to make as middleware improves and advancing hardware lessens the need for optimisation. If companies choose to spend more on games despite this then that’s their problem.
It’s satire, you fucking pleb.
Edit: Your downvotes only make me stronger.
“You’ve had the best, now try the rest!”
I guess the author learned that being anti-capitalist is somewhat trendy and couldn’t resist writing this opus. But this has nothing to do with the game or games in general.
“Capitalism is when pay money for things. I am very smart.”
Jesus Christ, I am begging people to actually learn what capitalism is before writing takes likes this.
These days its increasingly ‘capitalism is when you pay money for the chance to have a thing’
I mean, that’s literally what it is?
Chance as in gambling, so often you don’t even get what you pay for even with ‘reputable’ brands. This is particularly bad with appliances.
I think it has more to do with how much they’re charging rather than them charging anything at all.
i.e. They’re maximizing profit off of people’s low standards by charging the most people are willing to pay while giving the least they’re willing to accept.
If this honestly had to be spelled out for you and you’re not just being willfully ignorant, you should really get some remedial education before shitting on others.
That is their prerogative. Mine is not buying overpriced games.
That’s always been the case. They can charge whatever they like, I’ll only buy if I think the price is worth it.
It is called “a practical joke”.
Play that years down the line. The first one was OK but I paid like $15 for it with the expansion. Obsidian hasn’t had a clear jump in quality since the MS purchase. Possibly even signs of writing regression with Avowed so can’t imagine much hype for this game
Grounded is fun, and 2 is right around the corner, though they did (and plan similarly for 2) to release it in phases in early access and gather community feedback at every step
$80? No problem! 🏴☠️
Oh, it just modern Obsidian, no one is going to buy it anyway.
Came and went.
I came!
It’s crazy to think that a handful of people who have floated around Obsidian/Interplay/Black Isle have created (in my opinion) some of the best games to have ever existed.
You put a name like Chris Avellone or Tim Cain onto a project and I’m going to pay more attention to it than any AAA with millions put into trailers and other bullshit to sell you down the river.
Avowed was cool but not really worth the 70. I doubt TOW2 is worth 80, and specifically especially because Microsoft/ActiBlizzard is just following the Nintendo train, which is what everyone knew was going to happen with triple A studios.
Yeah, it doesn’t surprise me.
Just gonna be another torrent for me.
Fuck these hypocrites. They’re all greedy, entitled consumerists.
…and that’s why you support decent indie developers and pirate this trash
Just don’t play it
Since you know, it’s trash