Anyone else feel like Nintendo is missing the boat here? Every day that goes by, the switch 2 becomes less exciting compared to the competition. They needed to release it 6 months ago.
An opportunity to re-sell the same games with minor updates (I am looking at you 35 Mario anniversary edition) to a higher user base for today’s prices?
Tell that to the Gamecube and Wii U eras. Funny that those are also all-time peaks for game quality, Nintendo is better at making video games when they’re struggling.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu
on 11 Jan 09:36
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The Wii arguably has better first party games than the GC. Mario Kart Wii, Mario Galaxy, DKC Returns, New Soup, Wario Ware…
They still don’t lose anything, not if they can port/upscale them on the way and sell them for today’s prices, why have backwards compatibility am I right?
Yeah but that’s because they historically have been so different than the competition. But in this case they have had their lunch eaten by the steam deck, Rog ally, etc.
TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org
on 10 Jan 18:40
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But in this case they have had their lunch eaten by the steam deck, Rog ally, etc.
I see tons of people still using the old Switch. I have so far seen none other than myself and my kid using a Steam Deck.
The Switch is a lot smaller and pocketable than those you described and is far better as a party game machine. It’s also much more widely available. I don’t think it’s so clear cut especially if people are getting it for their exclusives. Yea, you can emulate it but there’s a bit of work to get the ROMs and BIOS that the average lay person isn’t really comfortable with doing.
That’s true, but they still usually aim to be the first “next gen” console on the market every generation. Admittedly it probably would really affect them if they didn’t hit that but that’s how they’ve always done it
ampersandrew@lemmy.world
on 10 Jan 18:36
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They wanted to release it 6 months ago, rumor has it. But they postponed it to shore up supply to meet launch demand, give extra development time to its key launch games, or to squeeze the last bit of juice out of the Switch 1 – or some combination of those things.
The Switch 2 will do just fine, better even, compared to its next closest competition.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io
on 10 Jan 18:11
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Given how they front-loaded the launch schedule and ended up wiping out some of their own game communities(the corpse of Arms say hi from under the former juggernaut that was the Splatoon 2 launch).
The silence on their front WRT games suggests that they might be ramping up for a similar blitz for a switch 2.
Why are companies so awkward and dumb and “corporate”. Just lean into it and score some fan points.
“We know it can be fun to speculate and people are excited about whatever information they can get about the next Switch; but we’ve got a lot of amazing things we’re working on and it will be worth the wait”.
That also implies that there is more to get excited about. It’s entirely possible that the leaks have completely stolen the thunder of their big reveal.
I also suspect that when they say “not official”, what they really mean is “not final”. i.e. These are prototypes, and could change by the time it’s officially announced. They could also be contractually limited from statements, in a “we can neither confirm nor deny” kind of way.
I do agree with your larger point that their press release left something to be desired.
sauce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jan 00:00
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What big reveal? Lol… the screen is a little bigger and the joycons attach differently. Not really much to get excited about, other than the improved performance.
It’s Nintendo, It didn’t like any of their consoles have been particularly sophisticated for their time. We pretty much know everything about the new switch already, because they’re not going to reveal any new tech, because they never reveal any new tech.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Jan 03:50
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The speculation is free buildup and helps create demand anticipation. Leaks and speculation like this are great advertising. It only becomes bad when the leaks and speculation created are better than what the actual product is, or a lot worse than the product is.
If the speculation was going around that it would be backwards compatible with all former Gameboy cartridges and include free downloads of any Nintendo games older than 5 years, Nintendo would quickly release the real specs/info.
morphballganon@lemmy.world
on 10 Jan 20:00
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No shit.
Every 5 years, chodes expect each new Nintendo console to be a copy + paste of the previous one.
It’s never happened.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world
on 10 Jan 20:09
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This time it did.
icecreamtaco@lemmy.world
on 10 Jan 22:19
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SNES
Every handheld console except for the DS and Switch was a copypaste + upgrade from the last one. GB Pocket, GB Color, GB Advance, GBA SP, GBA Micro, DS Lite, 3DS, 2DS, New 3DS, 3DS XL
morphballganon@lemmy.world
on 10 Jan 22:53
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SNES was top loading with receding flaps. NES was front loading with a flap cover.
Must I point out all of the changes, or can you do some critical thinking before you argue?
f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz
on 11 Jan 00:32
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Japan never got a front-loader with bonus connection problems and extra empty space in the carts.
icecreamtaco@lemmy.world
on 11 Jan 02:09
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The Japanese version of the NES was a toploader, and the NES itself had a toploader version later on as well.
Also, what’s with the personal attack?
morphballganon@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 00:14
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Sorry, just frustrated to see the same assumption every generation, after ever generation sees massive change. In retrospect, it’s probably new people making the same assumption, not the same people.
You can be backwards compatible without just being a hardware revision. Look at the Wii, while it’s definitely built on the GameCube, it has many more features
Except no one expected the Wii U successor to be the same. The Nintendo switch leaks came years before the release, when it was still known under the codename “NX”, and they were 100% accurate
Not a fan of this response. Not because of the response itself, but because of the timing. Either they’re saying that because they’re about to announce Switch 2 very, very soon, or because they’re NOT about to announce it soon and needed to say _something _.
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Anyone else feel like Nintendo is missing the boat here? Every day that goes by, the switch 2 becomes less exciting compared to the competition. They needed to release it 6 months ago.
Nintendo has never really cared about their competitors.
Or their fans - consequently.
And yet they thrive, kinda funny isn’t it?
They thrive now, but they will never forget the Wii U
Mate, with how much the Switch sold, I think they already did.
All the games being ported from Wii U to Switch would beg to differ.
They made Wii U as obsolete as possible by releasing majority of the games on the switch
Perhaps, but they did that by “not forgetting the Wii U.”
Furthermore, Nintendo will never forget the Wii U as it was a lesson for them.
An opportunity to re-sell the same games with minor updates (I am looking at you 35 Mario anniversary edition) to a higher user base for today’s prices?
What am I missing here?
Tell that to the Gamecube and Wii U eras. Funny that those are also all-time peaks for game quality, Nintendo is better at making video games when they’re struggling.
The Wii arguably has better first party games than the GC. Mario Kart Wii, Mario Galaxy, DKC Returns, New Soup, Wario Ware…
They still don’t lose anything, not if they can port/upscale them on the way and sell them for today’s prices, why have backwards compatibility am I right?
Yeah but that’s because they historically have been so different than the competition. But in this case they have had their lunch eaten by the steam deck, Rog ally, etc.
I see tons of people still using the old Switch. I have so far seen none other than myself and my kid using a Steam Deck.
The Switch is a lot smaller and pocketable than those you described and is far better as a party game machine. It’s also much more widely available. I don’t think it’s so clear cut especially if people are getting it for their exclusives. Yea, you can emulate it but there’s a bit of work to get the ROMs and BIOS that the average lay person isn’t really comfortable with doing.
That’s true, but they still usually aim to be the first “next gen” console on the market every generation. Admittedly it probably would really affect them if they didn’t hit that but that’s how they’ve always done it
They wanted to release it 6 months ago, rumor has it. But they postponed it to shore up supply to meet launch demand, give extra development time to its key launch games, or to squeeze the last bit of juice out of the Switch 1 – or some combination of those things.
The Switch 2 will do just fine, better even, compared to its next closest competition.
Given how they front-loaded the launch schedule and ended up wiping out some of their own game communities(the corpse of Arms say hi from under the former juggernaut that was the Splatoon 2 launch).
The silence on their front WRT games suggests that they might be ramping up for a similar blitz for a switch 2.
Bit odd to complain that a console we know nothing about isn't exciting enough. Maybe wait until they actually reveal the damn thing?
“Not official”
This just confirmed these are legit but because Nintendo didn’t make the announcement it’s “not official”
“We didn’t leak this.”
Yeah no shit bub.
Why are companies so awkward and dumb and “corporate”. Just lean into it and score some fan points.
“We know it can be fun to speculate and people are excited about whatever information they can get about the next Switch; but we’ve got a lot of amazing things we’re working on and it will be worth the wait”.
That also implies that there is more to get excited about. It’s entirely possible that the leaks have completely stolen the thunder of their big reveal.
I also suspect that when they say “not official”, what they really mean is “not final”. i.e. These are prototypes, and could change by the time it’s officially announced. They could also be contractually limited from statements, in a “we can neither confirm nor deny” kind of way.
I do agree with your larger point that their press release left something to be desired.
What big reveal? Lol… the screen is a little bigger and the joycons attach differently. Not really much to get excited about, other than the improved performance.
It’s Nintendo, It didn’t like any of their consoles have been particularly sophisticated for their time. We pretty much know everything about the new switch already, because they’re not going to reveal any new tech, because they never reveal any new tech.
The speculation is free buildup and helps create demand anticipation. Leaks and speculation like this are great advertising. It only becomes bad when the leaks and speculation created are better than what the actual product is, or a lot worse than the product is.
If the speculation was going around that it would be backwards compatible with all former Gameboy cartridges and include free downloads of any Nintendo games older than 5 years, Nintendo would quickly release the real specs/info.
Usbourne effect
…but also, not false…
No shit.
Every 5 years, chodes expect each new Nintendo console to be a copy + paste of the previous one.
It’s never happened.
This time it did.
SNES was top loading with receding flaps. NES was front loading with a flap cover.
Must I point out all of the changes, or can you do some critical thinking before you argue?
Japan never got a front-loader with bonus connection problems and extra empty space in the carts.
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The Japanese version of the NES was a toploader, and the NES itself had a toploader version later on as well.
Also, what’s with the personal attack?
Sorry, just frustrated to see the same assumption every generation, after ever generation sees massive change. In retrospect, it’s probably new people making the same assumption, not the same people.
Do you really consider that to be a meaningful point worth "um, akshually"ing over?
“The new console unfortunately is not backwards-compatible.” -> riots
…versus…
“The new console is backwards-compatible because it’s an upgraded version of the old console.” -> riots
You can be backwards compatible without just being a hardware revision. Look at the Wii, while it’s definitely built on the GameCube, it has many more features
I’m sorry but it is quite literally a GBA with an additional touchscreen and an ARM9 processor
You’re dismissing that way too easily. A dual screen handheld was pretty game changing and not to mention touchscreen was not a standard back then.
Fair enough, I have one and it is really ahead of the time
Except no one expected the Wii U successor to be the same. The Nintendo switch leaks came years before the release, when it was still known under the codename “NX”, and they were 100% accurate
Not a fan of this response. Not because of the response itself, but because of the timing. Either they’re saying that because they’re about to announce Switch 2 very, very soon, or because they’re NOT about to announce it soon and needed to say _something _.
Here’s hoping it’s the former over the latter.
Interesting choice of words. Saying it's not 'official' just means they're not the ones who posted it.
Genki: “we bought this switch 2 model off the black market”
Nintendo: “we did not provide the switch 2 to Genki”
Yes, we know. You’re not telling us anything new.