Lemminary@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 02:00
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Out of touch and delusional, what’s new.
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one
on 12 Apr 2024 03:10
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He is the Russian equivalent of a baby boomer mandating with the implied threat of death that his own government pay a single shitty local satellite set-top box distributor (let’s be real, it’s likely just cheap chinese hardware) to develop and spread Russian culture through video game media in less than three months (which is probably already developed and was waiting for more money to market and enter production).
Sounds like he is very in touch, because that is one of the ways how U.S. culture is spreading throughout the world currently.
Lemminary@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 06:34
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… with software and hardware development. Literally what the article talks about.
Sounds like he is very in touch, because that is one of the ways how U.S. culture is spreading throughout the world currently.
With the absolutely stonking caveat that the US government didn’t mandate that, it just happened naturally over time. Over decades and decades. Particularly helped by the US speaking English. In a lot of parts of the world English is a good second language.
But the only people who speak Russian is Russia. No one has Russian is their second language outside of a few Baltic states and even then often it’s a tertiary language, not a true second language. This is a huge limiter on their ability to spread culture.
antidote101@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 02:02
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So the main task would be writing the custom OS, which with enough coders and a coherent plan could theoretically be done.
The hardware will just be a small form factor computer or gaming laptop in a box, with a controller attached.
It will be deconstructed day one, and what hardware they went with will be revealed.
It’ll either be janky Linux or cracked Windows, on an off-the-shelf Chinese board in a cheap case with joysticks that barely work.
saltnotsugar@lemm.ee
on 12 Apr 2024 02:15
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This is new console…Fun Barrel. For 20 liters of kerosene, you can play all night if the coolant doesn’t ignight.
kadu@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 02:19
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It’s totally possible if they subsidize hardware costs and sell a PC with a fancy frontend and small form factor.
It’s completely impossible if they’re looking for custom hardware.
reflectedodds@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 02:29
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This is what I was thinking. For a first iteration to get out the door immediately it could just be windows with a “game browser” that launches full screen when you turn it on 😂
kadu@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 02:32
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I mean, that’s what all Steam Deck competitors really are. They’re Windows 11 with atrocious launchers on top, some of which acceptable and some very buggy, plus a literal standard AMD APU that AMD is selling by the bucket, and half of them share board designs sold by Chinese suppliers pretty much ready made.
ArbiterXero@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 02:59
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That’s literally what the original Xbox was
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 12:49
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They at least did the courtesy of deleting the Windows UI, though.
kautau@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 04:39
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It would have to run steamos or something the complexity of all the always-online launchers that modern triple a games has is something that steam handles well, and likely a huge trip up point on any frontend slapped on a windows pc
Carighan@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 09:27
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Essentially just Playnite then?
Woozythebear@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 2024 16:13
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So? That’s literally an Xbox…
PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee
on 13 Apr 2024 21:29
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It’s literally not an Xbox.
meathorse@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 2024 21:37
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That is literally what the first Xbox was. It’s internals was a custom mboard running a Celeron 700 and 3.5" HDD (can’t remember what the graphics was based on, maybe a GeForce MX?) with a customised Win2k OS.
All approx. It’s early and I can’t be bothered confirming those specs are 100% accurate :p
Every time I see an original Xbox I’m always amazed because in my memory it was a lot smaller. I used to carry that thing to and from school I have no idea how I managed that.
Matriks404@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 07:07
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Original Xbox had custom OS. It run on something similar to Windows 2000 (NT 5) kernel though.
ArbiterXero@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 07:51
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Was just a skin on win 2k and contained an intel chip.
MakePorkGreatAgain@lemmy.basedcount.com
on 12 Apr 2024 03:27
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so… repackage a pi?
bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml
on 12 Apr 2024 05:16
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There’s a guy on youtube called CNCDan who did exactly that. SFF pc in a very nice 3d printed case with custom PCBs for the controller boards. If you’re at all interested in that sort of thing I think he has a 9 part series on how he built it.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip
on 12 Apr 2024 10:09
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It’s totally gonna be a bunch of pirated games and a copy of Launchbox/Playnite lol
bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 10:43
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Just get one of those all in one 4"x4" PCs, slap a logo and a custom Linux distro on it and you have a console.
Sorry guys, we’re under dictator rule now. We should be getting some food coupons next week, otherwise we’ll starve. If only xxx_Epicl33tGamer69_xxx didn’t let us down in the big game last night. Oh well, such is life.
Noodle07@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 09:12
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The whole point of league of legends
msage@programming.dev
on 13 Apr 2024 14:31
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League of Legends is so bland and uninteresting.
Just play Dota. It’s the original, far more complex (you can eat trees!), and actually mess with the enemies way more than just dealing chip damage.
Noodle07@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 2024 21:03
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I’m not talking about gameplay, the league of legend in its lore is there to prevent real world war
PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee
on 13 Apr 2024 21:33
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I played DotA for 14 years and while I agree it’s better than LoL in every single way I still wouldn’t recommend that anyone actually play it.
msage@programming.dev
on 14 Apr 2024 07:43
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It’s fun though. It has its age, but still there’s nothing like it.
Future Russian parlement: We will crush, nuke and bury whatever will be left. In Quake.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 12:47
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There was an episode of Star Trek about this.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 05:52
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On one hand even the Nintendo Switch is just a modified Nvidia shield so this task would be a simple one for most states. On the other hand: Sanctions and insane corruption. I‘d be surprised if they manage to release anything that could keep up with Consoles from 2 generations ago.
Woozythebear@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 2024 16:17
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You know Russia has one of the best space programs in the world right?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Apr 2024 06:23
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Exactly. Nobody would expect Japan to land a man on the moon in 3 months just because they’ve been dominating video games forever.
Gabu@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 06:10
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Here comes another Atari Jaguar.
phoneymouse@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 06:17
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Why?
FleetingTit@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 07:21
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To show that their Economy isn’t struggling from sanctions and to give the people what they want: entertainment.
There is a lot going wrong in Russia right now and Putler needs a win.
antidote101@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 07:51
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Probably because Putin just found out the population sucks at flying drones.
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 08:01
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Some kid beat him in Fortnite and now he wants his own console system to ban the kid from (and probably track them down)
Portable computers like Steam Deck are fine though.
echodot@feddit.uk
on 12 Apr 2024 07:44
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At one point in time Russia actually had their own computer system back in the '80s. So I guess just dust that off?
It died because it had non-square pixels, because that’s not stupid, and so was a pain to develop any games for.
grayhaze@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 09:57
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The Atari 2600 and Commodore 64 did okay for themselves with non-square pixels.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de
on 12 Apr 2024 12:14
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Guess what other obscure old system used rectangular pixels? The IBM PC.
CGA and EGA used resolution modes that were multiples of 320x200 (PAR 6:5). VGA’s 16-color hi-res mode was the first to support square pixels at 640x480, and it would become a standard for years to come because TempleOS and Windows used it (you can even force Windows 7 to run in this mode!)
The NES and SNES had PAR 16:15 8:7 (oops) (which is often ignored in emulation), and so did the most common NTSC DVD-Video mode (none of the commonly used ones had square pixels but you only really notice it with subtitles - you cannot correctly display them at native resolution on an LCD).
And that’s just the successful systems I know off the top of my head.
Soviet personal computers failed for other, obvious reasons. They struggled to copy the latest chips, and the economic incentive was minuscule despite the government’s investment - very few people could afford a computer in the Eastern Bloc, and they could not be exported due to patent infringement and being years behind. The economy collapsed after USSR broke up and nobody wanted to invest to rebuild the industry.
That being said, people in the Eastern Bloc were very resourceful with what they had (mostly clones of Atari’s 8-bit home computers and IBM PCs). A blind person from Czechoslovakia made a speech synthesis sound card for an IBM-compatible PC, which functioned well enough to allow him to be employed as a full-time programmer. At least one of the three exemplars works to this day.
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Apr 2024 16:13
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I love how you threw TempleOS in there. And I get the reference, 640x480 is the resolution God intended or something to that effect.
The story is way more interesting. Cannot dig the article, but dropping soviet originated hardware had to do also with programming languages. Western entities started with heavy lobbing, often dressed as grass root movement, for languages that for western based systems.
Not sure how well supported this thesis was, but it was interesting that preferences of engineers got used for market absorption.
Not a new thing by today’s standards.
Russia has own computers on own processors produced on Micron(not to be confused with Micron Technology). But they are expensive as cast iron bridge and hard to get.
echodot@feddit.uk
on 12 Apr 2024 12:34
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What are they I doubt they’ll be even 10 nanometer
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Apr 2024 14:25
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Didn’t the NES produce non-square pixels? Like pure data wise the screen was square but at some point in making it NTSC it gets stretched horizontally to 4:3?
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de
on 12 Apr 2024 15:28
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pure data wise
Data-wise, the screen is 32x30 tiles, which is 256x240 pixels, or 280x240 including the border. (The height is set by the modified NTSC standard at 240p60, and the width of 256 was chosen to simplify 8-bit arithmetic, plus 24 pixels for a border.) With square pixels, the aspect ratio would be 16:15, or 7:6 including border. The video timing was chosen so that this fills the entire TV screen, which is 4:3. As a result, the pixels have an aspect ratio of (4:3)/(7:6)=8:7 (varies a little between TVs). However, the NES could only flip sprites and not rotate them 90°, so this could be taken into account when creating the rotated versions.
Another successful system with non-square pixels was the IBM PC, whose CGA and EGA cards had a 320x200 resolution (or multiples thereof in other modes), which resulted in PAR (4:3)/(8:5)=6:5. Square pixels first became available with VGA’s hi-res mode (16 colors at 640x480), adopted by systems such as Windows 3.1 and TempleOS.
kuneho@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 09:53
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next gen Dendy
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca
on 12 Apr 2024 10:20
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Just give him an NES with Battletoads, file off any print, and tell him you made it.
kaine@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 12 Apr 2024 13:01
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Depends on how you define a gaming console. You can slap a controller on a PC, with a certain form factor and custom OS it can be defined as a gaming console. But does it what Czar referring to? I do not think so.
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de
on 12 Apr 2024 13:02
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Taking console wars to the next level
TheSpermWhale@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 14:04
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Excitedly awaiting the release of the Z-Box
reverendsteveii@lemm.ee
on 12 Apr 2024 14:30
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if it’s normally 3 years just hire 12x as many developers and it’ll be fine.
Mikelius@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 2024 07:03
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Yeah, everyone knows 9 women can generate a baby in 1 month.
space@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Apr 2024 15:02
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It will be named the BlyatStation
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Apr 2024 02:05
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Cyka!
As I said to the other BlyatStation comment. 🤣
Rush B!
Treczoks@lemmy.world
on 12 Apr 2024 23:06
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Should be easy. Just take a AY-3-8500 chip, and the gaming console is basically done!
Jackcooper@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 2024 05:48
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This will do wonders for comedy
kromem@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 2024 05:57
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I love how he’s modernizing the punch lines to all the old Soviet jokes.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 2024 21:15
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They will basically buy one clone off of AliExpress, stamp a new name and be done with it.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 14 Apr 2024 02:20
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In partnership with SouljaBoy!
SomeGuy69@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 2024 21:21
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The Blyatstation
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Apr 2024 01:54
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threaded - newest
lol
I look forward to the release of the Blyatbox “October Revolution” edition console.
Gamedroog 512
With preinstalled Gulag survival simulator that you have to pay to get removed.
Will be released with The Gelendzik Siege game.
Out of touch and delusional, what’s new.
He is the Russian equivalent of a baby boomer mandating with the implied threat of death that his own government pay a single shitty local satellite set-top box distributor (let’s be real, it’s likely just cheap chinese hardware) to develop and spread Russian culture through video game media in less than three months (which is probably already developed and was waiting for more money to market and enter production).
Sounds like he is very in touch, because that is one of the ways how U.S. culture is spreading throughout the world currently.
… with software and hardware development. Literally what the article talks about.
With the absolutely stonking caveat that the US government didn’t mandate that, it just happened naturally over time. Over decades and decades. Particularly helped by the US speaking English. In a lot of parts of the world English is a good second language.
But the only people who speak Russian is Russia. No one has Russian is their second language outside of a few Baltic states and even then often it’s a tertiary language, not a true second language. This is a huge limiter on their ability to spread culture.
So the main task would be writing the custom OS, which with enough coders and a coherent plan could theoretically be done.
The hardware will just be a small form factor computer or gaming laptop in a box, with a controller attached.
It will be deconstructed day one, and what hardware they went with will be revealed.
It’ll either be janky Linux or cracked Windows, on an off-the-shelf Chinese board in a cheap case with joysticks that barely work.
This is new console…Fun Barrel. For 20 liters of kerosene, you can play all night if the coolant doesn’t ignight.
It’s totally possible if they subsidize hardware costs and sell a PC with a fancy frontend and small form factor.
It’s completely impossible if they’re looking for custom hardware.
This is what I was thinking. For a first iteration to get out the door immediately it could just be windows with a “game browser” that launches full screen when you turn it on 😂
I mean, that’s what all Steam Deck competitors really are. They’re Windows 11 with atrocious launchers on top, some of which acceptable and some very buggy, plus a literal standard AMD APU that AMD is selling by the bucket, and half of them share board designs sold by Chinese suppliers pretty much ready made.
That’s literally what the original Xbox was
They at least did the courtesy of deleting the Windows UI, though.
It would have to run steamos or something the complexity of all the always-online launchers that modern triple a games has is something that steam handles well, and likely a huge trip up point on any frontend slapped on a windows pc
Essentially just Playnite then?
So? That’s literally an Xbox…
It’s literally not an Xbox.
That is literally what the first Xbox was. It’s internals was a custom mboard running a Celeron 700 and 3.5" HDD (can’t remember what the graphics was based on, maybe a GeForce MX?) with a customised Win2k OS.
All approx. It’s early and I can’t be bothered confirming those specs are 100% accurate :p
It wouldn’t be Windows, it’d probably be a variant of Astra Linux.
The year of Linux may finally be among us.
That’s literally what the original Xbox was
There was nothing small about the original Xbox.
All hail The Duke!
Every time I see an original Xbox I’m always amazed because in my memory it was a lot smaller. I used to carry that thing to and from school I have no idea how I managed that.
Original Xbox had custom OS. It run on something similar to Windows 2000 (NT 5) kernel though.
Was just a skin on win 2k and contained an intel chip.
It was just a PC in a box.
And not even a very optimized one.
so… repackage a pi?
There’s a guy on youtube called CNCDan who did exactly that. SFF pc in a very nice 3d printed case with custom PCBs for the controller boards. If you’re at all interested in that sort of thing I think he has a 9 part series on how he built it.
It’s totally gonna be a bunch of pirated games and a copy of Launchbox/Playnite lol
Just get one of those all in one 4"x4" PCs, slap a logo and a custom Linux distro on it and you have a console.
I am also half expecting them to adopt/steal hardware from other companies.
The funny part is leaders all of the world are going to ask their country to do the same thing too now as none of them realize how ridiculous it is.
That would be interesting, would the market get immediately over saturated or would there be a healthy amount of competition?
It’s oversaturated when it’s not zero
Rly?
Oh hell yeah. I want to see a Dendy reboot.
Rutendo 24
Dendy
It’ll be able to know when your draft-dodging ass is home, so it can send some nice FSB gentlemen to come give you a lift.
maybe irs all spyware with microphones and/or cameras? a loyalty program!
Is that all it takes? 🤣
Hey when the KGB is standing in the corner looking serious, you bet those engineers will have the “stats” to prove it’s competitive.
Well it will be competitive. Because all its competition aren’t entering Russia anyway because of sanctions.
Will it have The Game?
Gaming is of upmost importance to the health of a nation. Future wars will be done through esports.
If only
Sorry guys, we’re under dictator rule now. We should be getting some food coupons next week, otherwise we’ll starve. If only xxx_Epicl33tGamer69_xxx didn’t let us down in the big game last night. Oh well, such is life.
The whole point of league of legends
League of Legends is so bland and uninteresting.
Just play Dota. It’s the original, far more complex (you can eat trees!), and actually mess with the enemies way more than just dealing chip damage.
I’m not talking about gameplay, the league of legend in its lore is there to prevent real world war
I played DotA for 14 years and while I agree it’s better than LoL in every single way I still wouldn’t recommend that anyone actually play it.
It’s fun though. It has its age, but still there’s nothing like it.
Future Russian parlement: We will crush, nuke and bury whatever will be left. In Quake.
There was an episode of Star Trek about this.
On one hand even the Nintendo Switch is just a modified Nvidia shield so this task would be a simple one for most states. On the other hand: Sanctions and insane corruption. I‘d be surprised if they manage to release anything that could keep up with Consoles from 2 generations ago.
You know Russia has one of the best space programs in the world right?
Exactly. Nobody would expect Japan to land a man on the moon in 3 months just because they’ve been dominating video games forever.
Here comes another Atari Jaguar.
Why?
To show that their Economy isn’t struggling from sanctions and to give the people what they want: entertainment.
There is a lot going wrong in Russia right now and Putler needs a win.
Probably because Putin just found out the population sucks at flying drones.
Some kid beat him in Fortnite and now he wants his own console system to ban the kid from (and probably track them down)
Hah. This comment is based on assumption that Putin knows what game console is.
It’s what you fly drones from.
I don’t think he knows about them further than “bad stuff mentioned in red folders”.
Plot twist: It will be a PC with 486DX2-compatible CPU.
They have x86 equivalent. Maybe 64.
Good for them. 🤷♂️
Meh. Game consoles are shit. Defective by design.
Portable computers like Steam Deck are fine though.
At one point in time Russia actually had their own computer system back in the '80s. So I guess just dust that off?
It died because it had non-square pixels, because that’s not stupid, and so was a pain to develop any games for.
The Atari 2600 and Commodore 64 did okay for themselves with non-square pixels.
Guess what other obscure old system used rectangular pixels? The IBM PC.
CGA and EGA used resolution modes that were multiples of 320x200 (PAR 6:5). VGA’s 16-color hi-res mode was the first to support square pixels at 640x480, and it would become a standard for years to come because TempleOS and Windows used it (you can even force Windows 7 to run in this mode!)
The NES and SNES had PAR
16:158:7 (oops) (which is often ignored in emulation), and so did the most common NTSC DVD-Video mode (none of the commonly used ones had square pixels but you only really notice it with subtitles - you cannot correctly display them at native resolution on an LCD).And that’s just the successful systems I know off the top of my head.
Soviet personal computers failed for other, obvious reasons. They struggled to copy the latest chips, and the economic incentive was minuscule despite the government’s investment - very few people could afford a computer in the Eastern Bloc, and they could not be exported due to patent infringement and being years behind. The economy collapsed after USSR broke up and nobody wanted to invest to rebuild the industry.
That being said, people in the Eastern Bloc were very resourceful with what they had (mostly clones of Atari’s 8-bit home computers and IBM PCs). A blind person from Czechoslovakia made a speech synthesis sound card for an IBM-compatible PC, which functioned well enough to allow him to be employed as a full-time programmer. At least one of the three exemplars works to this day.
I love how you threw TempleOS in there. And I get the reference, 640x480 is the resolution God intended or something to that effect.
The story is way more interesting. Cannot dig the article, but dropping soviet originated hardware had to do also with programming languages. Western entities started with heavy lobbing, often dressed as grass root movement, for languages that for western based systems. Not sure how well supported this thesis was, but it was interesting that preferences of engineers got used for market absorption.
Not a new thing by today’s standards.
I’m pretty sure there is an English language compiler for it now, but I don’t know when that became available.
Russia has own computers on own processors produced on Micron(not to be confused with Micron Technology). But they are expensive as cast iron bridge and hard to get.
What are they I doubt they’ll be even 10 nanometer
65 as I remember
“Expensive as a cast iron bridge” is a great saying. Is that something I’ve just never heard before, or did you coin the phrase?
This is well known phrase in russian. “Стоит как чугунный мост” literally means “costs like cast iron bridge”.
I love it. There’s so much depth there.
Yea it caught my eye too, pretty cool
Didn’t the NES produce non-square pixels? Like pure data wise the screen was square but at some point in making it NTSC it gets stretched horizontally to 4:3?
Data-wise, the screen is 32x30 tiles, which is 256x240 pixels, or 280x240 including the border. (The height is set by the modified NTSC standard at 240p60, and the width of 256 was chosen to simplify 8-bit arithmetic, plus 24 pixels for a border.) With square pixels, the aspect ratio would be 16:15, or 7:6 including border. The video timing was chosen so that this fills the entire TV screen, which is 4:3. As a result, the pixels have an aspect ratio of (4:3)/(7:6)=8:7 (varies a little between TVs). However, the NES could only flip sprites and not rotate them 90°, so this could be taken into account when creating the rotated versions.
Another successful system with non-square pixels was the IBM PC, whose CGA and EGA cards had a 320x200 resolution (or multiples thereof in other modes), which resulted in PAR (4:3)/(8:5)=6:5. Square pixels first became available with VGA’s hi-res mode (16 colors at 640x480), adopted by systems such as Windows 3.1 and TempleOS.
next gen Dendy
Just give him an NES with Battletoads, file off any print, and tell him you made it.
Done
Wait, what? He is senile, but not THAT much. Although he was senile enough for war.
To be fair he probably doesn’t even know what game console is.
Russia probably wants high powered chips for military use. Fronting it as an entertainment initiative may entice more investors.
This 100% this
Maybe. Or if you’re engrossed in videogames, you don’t care your neighbor is drafted.
Or they’re gonna make video games that are suspiciously like piloting drones
We have Стим Дек at home:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/c7ed2c17-face-4433-a042-2b53f88896af.jpeg">
Depends on how you define a gaming console. You can slap a controller on a PC, with a certain form factor and custom OS it can be defined as a gaming console. But does it what Czar referring to? I do not think so.
Taking console wars to the next level
Excitedly awaiting the release of the Z-Box
if it’s normally 3 years just hire 12x as many developers and it’ll be fine.
Yeah, everyone knows 9 women can generate a baby in 1 month.
It will be named the BlyatStation
Cyka!
As I said to the other BlyatStation comment. 🤣
Rush B!
Should be easy. Just take a AY-3-8500 chip, and the gaming console is basically done!
This will do wonders for comedy
I love how he’s modernizing the punch lines to all the old Soviet jokes.
They will basically buy one clone off of AliExpress, stamp a new name and be done with it.
In partnership with SouljaBoy!
The Blyatstation
Cyka!
“Eat verification bullet to continue”