Same, all the Star Wars slop Disney has churned out has completely washed any lingering magic out of the fabric of the franchise for me. I don’t even feel the desire to watch supposedly good Star Wars products like Andor these days.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jul 16:44
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Yeah, the Baby Yoda Show was its last dying gasp for me. I see the same pattern in most industries: something is profitable, so lean hard into it until the bubble bursts. It’s great for short-term profits but bad for long term and worse overall. I’m not particularly intelligent or educated in business but even I can see this is a terrible strategy.
ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jul 17:51
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Star by Star, Traitor, and Destiny’s Way are pretty good. I want some Alpha Red.
Xanthobilly@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 14:26
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Andor is an example of excellent Star Wars content that people want to see. They just produced crap.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 19 Jul 14:43
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I actually strongly disagree.
Andor was an example of actually telling a new story. Yes, people were eager to know who Cassian was. But If you had polled the entire Star Wars fanbase, like five of us would have said “Oh, I want a deeply political story with a massive focus on social justice that heavily focuses on a politician and a spymaster’s daughter. Also, hold back zero punches about the kind of people who would spearhead a rebellion. Like, how crazy can Forrest go?”. And we would have fully admitted we were on our bullshit.
Which was basically the problem with Outlaws. Everyone has been asking for a Han Solo game since people realized a Star Wars Pacman could be a thing. And you need to go REAL hard to make that live up to people’s expectations.
Which, getting back to Andor: I would go so far as to say everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough. You have moments of brilliance (basically any time Skarsgard is on screen) but it spends too much time on a plot point it had already dropped and Cassian is kind of a mary sue. But we were enthralled because this was something NEW (well, less so if you have ever read a political thriller but… Star Wars!). And once it found its legs… it was painful beauty in all the best ways.
And, to go back to “It is a Han Solo game” or “It is a Jedi knight but not a Jedi Knight” and so forth? It doesn’t take much to realize “I have seen this story a million times” and wander off. Like, I know I basically did that once I heard there were insta-fail stealth sections (although I generally try to not give Ubi money to begin with). Same with Ginger McBoring Face Survivor. It had an interesting hook (I LOVED Dark Times and Dass Jennir) and the gameplay was fine but when it came time to come back for seconds it was just “Eh, I’m good”.
Nah. We need more Star Wars that people don’t KNOW they want to see. Not just the tired crap that an exec would think was gold.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 15:36
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I think you guys are saying the same thing. People want to see something they haven’t seen before, even in the star wars universe.
ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jul 17:55
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I want to see my man Nom Anor messing things up for both the Rebels and Empire. Maybe make the Peace Brigade while he’s at it.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 19 Jul 22:45
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Its a fundamental mindset that goes into pitch meetings and the like.
Its the same idea behind game design/balance. If you listen to The Gamers, everything will be insanely OP and there will be no curve or balance at all. When the reality is they DO want that balance even if it means their favorite gun is slightly nerfed. But it will basically never be what they actually say when asked “what do you want?”
And same with franchises. People will always say “I want a game where I am Han or Luke” or “I want another KOTOR” and so forth. When the reality is that they don’t actually know what they want.
“why do you balance/Nerf in a single player game? Stupid devs!”
Pretty much every single “gamer” with no knowledge of what makes a game fun/challenging. Cracks me up every time.
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth
on 19 Jul 16:59
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everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough.
I'm very curious why you think the Aldhani raid was rough. Also, season 2 is already done, and I think it in some ways surpasses season 1. Have you seen it?
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 19 Jul 21:58
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Like I said immediately after that. Moments of it are brilliant but it is clear there were still a lot of ways the plot could have gone and the showrunners were keeping their options over. And, while I think Aldhani was good, the Citra weirdness and Cassian being a mary sue who could do the entire rebellion better than anyone who was there. Whereas once Vel became more of a main character (and used to contrast Mon’s inability to overtly act) and they focused more on one story rather than having the option to tell ten, it became one of my favorite shows of all time.
As for Season 2? I strongly disliked how zany and fun Cassian’s infiltration of the prototype facility was but also understand that they needed to make something so that the trailers aren’t just bleak and horrifying while speeding Cassian to the point of not just being a Believer but being a Leader. But after that time skip it resumed being one of my favorite shows of all time And a big part of that was not even pretending that Mon isn’t the actual main character with Cassian and Kleya more a means to an end… which also fits with what they actually came to accept over the years.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip
on 19 Jul 21:22
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Oh man, I thought I was the only one who didn’t care what was happening until the prison. People were constantly gushing about how amazing it is…but like, it was fine…
I would have been one of those five people. I’ve always wanted adult Star Wars, and Andor finally gave it to me.
Madison420@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 14:50
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They just need to focus on a planet hopping mmo that runs a real world 9 year cycle through the movie eras. No character selection, full randomized setup where you find out what you’re capable of as go. You may not end up a Jedi but you might end up the most notorious bounty hunter in the galaxy or you build end up born a clone dying minutes into first combat.
ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jul 17:47
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Unpopular Opinion: The Yuuzhan Vong Invasion would’ve been better than the Sequel Trilogy.
Seeing that business with Ithor on the big screen would’ve been great.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 19:37
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Anything with a cohesive narrative would have been better than the sequel trilogy, including Dark Empire. Hell, Abrams did Dark Empire anyway, he just compressed it into a single film along with ESB and ROTJ because he’s never had a single original idea about Star Wars.
ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jul 20:35
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Honestly, I view ROS as the “Fuck it” movie. All the direction of where the story should go was pretty much dead after TLJ.
IMHO, J.J. Abrams should not be allowed to touch any scriptwriting duties ever. He is not a bad director, but he doesn’t seem to give a shit about the internal logic of the script if it comes in conflict with the “cool ideas” he has.
His two Star Trek films were perfect examples of this fallacy, as was the last and worst Star Wars film. With Star Trek he kinda butchered the heart of the franchise - the point of using starships to explore - with “Oh, the transporter can now beam stuff over interplanetary and interstellar distances, because it will be so awesome and less time consuming!”
Yes, it’s science fiction and suspension of disbelief is required to fully enjoy it, but it is possible to obey the decades old in-universe rules and still write an enticing storyline if you put a little effort in it. Sad model example of lazy writing.
Of course the fault is not all his, the other producers should have stopped his stupid ideas but chose not to. Still, ROS was so bad that the guy should have been blacklisted for life.
Don’t give him credit for TFA. That film set the entire trilogy up for failure with its opening crawl. There was no future for the sequels as soon as he decided to make a shitty ANH remake.
You’re right, base game. Then the gold edition was $110 and had the season pass in it. I think I felt like $70 when they were saying there was gonna be at least $40 more of content was something you should just wait for.
That and I think it uses ubisofts launcher still was the no.
I got it for free and I still didn't finish it. It had some interesting ideas but a lot of the gameplay elements were extremely shallow, the main character was annoying, the story was boring and I couldn't get it running on Linux and I wasn't going to boot into Windows just to play this game.
I probably would've been disappointed had I paid any money for it.
garretble@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 14:43
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I actually really liked this game.
This was another, though, that launched with a bunch of bugs on pc. And while I didn’t run into a ton on PS5, the game crashed for me here or there. And that sucks.
But I played and beat this game. And I quite enjoyed it. But I wouldn’t say it’s a masterpiece or anything.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
on 19 Jul 14:59
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So make new things you dingus.
QuantumTickle@lemmy.zip
on 19 Jul 15:00
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I loved the acolyte and was sad to hear it was cancelled. Jason Mendoza, a badass sith? Sign me up!
this is nothing new, yet clearly it isn’t stopping execs from (rightfully) casting diverse actors. they aren’t cancelling a $200m mediocre show because of a few noisy bigots.
Yeah I think in this case the few noisy ones managed to create an atmosphere online early on where people assumed the series was bad and gave up on it - causing low numbers for the episodes that followed.
That’s probably an aspect, but likely there weren’t enough people talking about it because most who did though it was mediocre at best.
For a franchise this popular, a few noisy bigots won’t stop people from seeing it. If anything, it draws more attention to the show. You can see this with shows that are actually good.
I don't think Acolyte failed due to racist misogynists. I think it had to do with over saturation and a story that wasn't that interesting. There's around 50 Star Wars titles on Disney+ now (7 live-action shows), and its almost a burden to watch them now like how Marvel movies/shows are. And people loved Asoka enough that its getting a season 2 and it had a vocal minority complain its main characters were all women, too. But it was a well written show.
Marvel is the best example of how Disney ruins things by over-saturating. There are over 50 Marvel movies and over 30 Marvel TV shows. Most are garbage and exist solely to advertise/push the next multi-billion dollar movie. They need to slow the hell down and just make decent content.
Melonpoly@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 20:22
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Are we really still pushing this narrative in late 2025? Andor is a modern star wars show that has diverse characters and a queen relationship and had little to no backlash because of it. Just because you like an objectively bad show doesn’t mean that everyone else that didn’t like it are suddenly racist/ sexist/ misogynistic/ whatever other term you have for trying to justify why you like the show.
You are allowed to like bad content, I don’t think there’s a single person out there that doesn’t have at least one thing that they know is bad but still enjoy the only difference is that they’re not angry at other people for not liking it too.
Oh please, I doubt a loud minority of people on twitter is going to make a show flop if it was actually good. What was said about the Acolyte that was bigoted?
Seriously? No examples? This is just an article claiming that there where racist and misogynistic comments without any screenshot or quotations of any of them. Not even bleeped out videos that they claim existed. It feels like it’s a pr stunt because they knew it would be a bad show. Again, why hasn’t Andor received the same hate? It has diverse characters and the lead actor is Mexican.
Why aren’t we hearing this about Andor? It seems like there’s only ever controversy around bad films that have marketed themselves as being diverse while never for films that are just diverse.
The article you linked says that the negative reception to wards the Acolyte “…can be seen as part of a wider pattern of resistance to diversity in media.” While speaking about specific cases in other films but not in the Acolyte. They are trying to make it sound like any form of negative criticism is linked to bigotry. It’s like they’re using racism and misogyny as a scapegoat.
I struggle to understand how some racist comments online can stop a movie or show from being popular with the masses? Where are all the “real Star Wars fans” that apparently support these shows? Most people don’t follow our care about online controversy.
Your point that the Acolyte flopped because of racism doesn’t stand, you’ve either dismissed or ignored my questions or provided links that are either speculation or are from a non reputable source like a lemmy comment. One would think that there would be screenshots or videos or viewership statistics or something to prove your point.
I've linked to two different instances of people talking about it, there are of course many more. Thus why I asked you how big this conspiracy of yours would be for all of them to be lying.
Wasn’t AC Shadows one of their best selling games? People still like Ubisoft games despite what people here want to believe. AC and FC fans play them precisely because they don’t rock the boat too much, you get what you expect with these games. The problem is that Star Wars fans probably aren’t looking for the same fix that Ubisoft’s usual audience is looking for.
Are any of the Far Cry’s remarkable? Not particularly but it’s a good co-op game where I can mess around with a friend and shoot the shit with. And it consistently gives me a good experience if that’s what I’m looking for.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz
on 19 Jul 15:01
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It just boggles my mind how execs can learn the wrong lesson 100% of the time. It seems impossible.
Regardless, they keep canning games like 1313 that get fans hyped and give us generic trash instead.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 20 Jul 01:12
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Oh, he 100% knows the truth. He just can’t say it since admitting it’s Ubisoft’s fault would lower investor confidence (and therefore affect his personal wealth). This is the standard “blame our failures on market forces outside our control” move that all CEOs of publicly-traded are forced to do.
The stock market was a mistake.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz
on 20 Jul 01:15
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Maybe. It does kinda make sense.
These assholes are the same idiots that think they can sell the company yet maintain creative control though.
Hell yeah, comrade. Abolish the stock market.
jontree255@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 15:07
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I love Star Wars and usually have a half decent time with Ubi games. You can usually pick them up for 50% off physical like a month after release.
I have never put down a game quicker than Outlaws. It’s Ubisoft open world map icon slop at its worst. The first 4 hours of story are boring and repetitive. Every mission was “sneak into an Imperial base, oh shit something went wrong! Now escape!” Progression and abilities might as well not be there.
Interest in SW isn’t waning. Companies keep making bad SW content.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
on 19 Jul 18:18
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Even if it was good, the formula you mentioned has been done to death. Every game they make is that. Then they say how can we possibly make an RDR2 level game, and I think to that and there was a game where honestly the gameplay was pretty repetitive - but you don’t notice because the story is so good that of course you want to keep going.
But they make these bland corporate characters with boring stories and take absolutely zero risks because what if we offend one person in Ohio - and then it sells like crap. You try to make it for everyone, you made it for no one
I thought it did a good job at capturing the Star Wars feel, but yeah it feels like every open world game. Lots of fetch quests and running around in a massive world where every encounter/quest/battle feels the same as the last.
It may just be me, but most open world games suffer from trying to be too large. Although I think BOTW and TOTK are some of the weakest Zelda games, so maybe my opinions on open world games aren’t popular.
11111one11111@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 15:14
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Just started watching Star Trek and so far watched Picard, Strange New Worlds and the one with the black chick as the main character and holy fuck is star trek a waaaay better story and franchise than star wars. Star wars fuckin sucks.
I’m struggling to get my head around someone who just got into Star Trek starting with Picard.
I mean, fine - if you enjoyed it that’s great! But it’s a show explicitly about exploring the later life of a franchise figurehead. If you didn’t watch any of the earlier series or movies first you’re missing 90%+ of the context for what’s happening, surely?
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 19:10
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Wait until you get to the real Star Trek, the actual good ones. Next Generation, DS9, Voyager, etc. Whatever they’re making now is literally garbage compared to what they used to make.
But to be fair, that is exactly the same case as Star Wars. Used to be pretty good, now Disney has run it into the floor.
11111one11111@lemmy.world
on 20 Jul 13:00
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Hahahaha theyre all fuckin trash. I tried watching the old shit and its all straight up garbage.
commander@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 15:24
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It’s been like 4-5 years since I’ve purchased a Ubisoft game. There’s too many games out there to be spending money on a trash publishers games. Along with how slp on the wrist it seemed with their workplace sexual harassment/bullying/assault, always remember that they pioneered always online DRM for single player games. They’ve been a trash company publicly for almost 20 years. Culturally probably longer
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca
on 19 Jul 15:28
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There is a waning interest, but it wasn’t the singular reason the game flopped. It’s because it was a painfully mediocre game at an extremely inflated price.
Mass-produced corporate sludge like Outlaws is exactly why interest is waning. It sucks the soul out of the franchise and makes people lose interest.
Did Guillemot not hear about Andor? The costs of a Disney Plus subscription vs a $70 game aside, that show respected the viewer's time and intelligence in all the ways Outlaws didn't. But I'm not surprised the heads of Ubisoft lack basic retrospection. Regurgitating past successes is all they know how to do, and how could they be wrong? Must be the rest of the world. :/
minimalfootprint@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Jul 15:49
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This statement in the same week as Yves installs his son as Co-CEO in charge of their biggest franchises. A man who entered the industry as a CEO of a mobile company and then founded a AI/NFT/crypto game company that is being liquidated now.
Pure nepotism. The Guillemont family is the parasite that is killing Ubisoft.
sturmblast@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 18:05
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If they would’ve stuck with the old ‘gritty’ Star Wars game that was supposed to be like GTA style adult oriented Star Wars instead of this stupid shit. It would have been massively successful.
Because, ooh boy, did my interest in Ubisoft wane year after year of overproduced cookie cutter crap. And I’m not expecting a change of phase.
Also, Guillemot, you’re talking publicly a lot for someone with (now convicted) sexual harrasser friends you’ve protected all of your career.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jul 21:54
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I don’t know how it has taken people so long to realize something I realized around AssCreed3, that all Ubisoft does is release the same game with a different skin over and over again.
If you stopped playing after 3, and who could blame you, than you did miss out on Black Flag which was probably the high point of the series. But your general point still stands, Black Flag is kind of the exception that proves the rule.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jul 06:30
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Honestly I only played the first one, but I do know that Black Flag is the most loved one. However when I say what I say it is not just about assassins creed, the observation which at that point was rather obvious for me was that ever Ubisoft franchise was more or less following the same template and it has only gotten worse.
I thought the game looked ok, but why would I pay $70 for a game that can disappear from my library whenever Ubisoft feels like it? They’ve demonstrated that they’re willing to permanently take games away from paying customers, so I’m not willing to spend more than the cost of a rental on one of their games.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 20 Jul 05:50
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And that’s the exact feeling I’ve had. So eloquently said. Thank you. 💯
If they sell me a product that i can’t forever keep, then I’ve been renting the whole time.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 19:08
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What? I thought Ubisoft was saying sales were really strong and how Outlaws was such a big success?
I’m going to guess this is the exact same case with Assassins Creed. An AC game set in feudal Japan should have been a Grand Slam. Literally everyone wanted it. But leave it up to Ubisoft to find ways to make money from a printer drop right into the shredder.
It’s more than just bugs and “blandness.” Clearly people aren’t buying what Ubisoft is making, and they keep changing stuff but none of the things they change are the reasons people aren’t buying their games. It is crazy to me that executives continue to learn the wrong lesson from failed games 100% of the time. And then they ignore gamers when we straight up tell them what they should have changed. Crazy.
I agree about what’s happening. They’re producing boring games and not learning anything.
But I don’t give a shit. Let them go down in flames. New indie devs an studios are popping up all the time with fresh, unique, and interesting games. I haven’t bought a AAA game in over a decade and I’m not missing a damn thing.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 23:37
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I partially disagree. I don’t want Ubisoft to die. I want them to make good and fun games, like they used to 15 years ago. I want AAA to be like it once was. And I reward when AAA games are like that by buying them.
Gamers want to give our money to developers and publishers. But we want good quality games that at the very least match (but ideally surpass) the quality of experiences we used to get in the past. Recently, Ubisoft has not been providing that, and thus Ubisoft sales have been plummeting. Now, is this a failure of executives? Developers? I say likely both.
Give the developers autonomy for one game, where there is zero executive involvement in the development and see how it goes. If it does well, then just let them make another game with full autonomy. If it goes poorly, make employment cuts on the team or move them around because clearly they didn’t do well even without executive direction. But also keep in mind if another huge competitor takes over, like releasing next to GTA6, pretty much every other games sales will suffer most likely (unless its $100 at launch lol).
Its not a hard decision to make when it comes to business. Any person with a single braincell can see this. The problem is that giving a studio full autonomy is a financial risk. There is great potential for failure when executives feel like they have no control. Businesses are too risk averse now to make such simple decisions. They would rather maintain control of a sinking ship instead of giving crew members autonomy to try to right the ship. Its crazy to me.
I want to give my money to a dev with a passion and a good idea. I do not want to support a soulless corporation grinding away at an IP to maximize profits for the next quarter.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 20 Jul 07:33
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All developers eventually become “soulless corporations grinding away at an IP to maximize profits for the next quarter.” They have to, because otherwise they die forever and take their IPs with them to the grave or sell them to corporations.
Support who you want, but understand that the developers who work for Ubisoft, at the very least some of them, have passion and good ideas. There are circumstances that can lead to those people not being at the surface or even being intentionally held back/bullied from realizing those ideas.
The game looked quite generic to me. As someone who’s not deep into Star Wars, the titular character looked more like 70s mom than space adventure. And the gameplay also looked like they just slapped yet another texture pack onto something I’ve seen a thousand times already.
So, I don’t see why you’d buy this game in particular, unless you do a lot of gaming or a lot of Star Wars. I imagine, they missed out on most sales towards the more casual crowd.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 21:16
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titular character looked more like 70s mom than space adventure
So more like star wars inlaws than outlaws?
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social
on 20 Jul 21:30
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It feels like they tried to make a PG/kids version of Red Dead Redemption with aliens, poorly written characters and a glitch-infested game engine as cheap as legally possible without being called slave labor.
I tried it in May/June and it was very meh. At the start I had an urge to play it, but after a day or two I had no urge to open it. A lot of it felt repetitive to a point of why bother.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 20 Jul 00:25
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Waning interest in Ubisoft. Everything they touch is painfully generic and uninteresting. On top of that, they infect the games with Denuvo malware while charging top dollar. But sure, blame the consumers for your lack of vision, passion, business sense, and technical acumen. See how that pays off, Yves.
It’s really sad. I truly believe that Yves (or rather the Guillemots in general) were passionate about game development once. Now it feels mostly corporate, even though they still claim to be pro-gamer and innovative and fun. It’s double sad because they acquired quite some good studios that have to be shaped into their corp structure and ultimately lose their innovation. It’s not as bad as old-school EA, but it’s still subjectively bad.
JakenVeina@midwest.social
on 20 Jul 00:57
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A) And yet, not long after, Andor was massively successful.
B) Then stop making games exclusively based off of third party IPs.
Could it be waning interest in the Ubislop formula?
No, it’s the gamers who are wrong!
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jul 17:31
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I don’t even hate the Ubisoft formula, but it’s, like, dawg…. Try something new. I go years without being interested in the schlog, then I get really into one. But it’s astounding that they’re still putting out the same game for over a decade now. The trimmings might be a little spruced and fluffed here and there but the core loop is still the same fucking game, again and again and again.
I was level capped before I even touched the DLC. I ignored everything that was generated rather than having some story to it. There’s just a lot of game there. Too much, in fact.
I just don’t know who the funbucks shop is even for. It’s not like you can even show it off online because it’s single player…
Maybe there’s a lot of rich kids out there who’s parents say yes to any request. I can’t imagine there are single player purchase “whales” like in multiplayer games.
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jul 08:57
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Disney killed the franchise by releasing slop year after year. Also by letting Ubisoft make a Star Wars game.
Difference between analogies to real or fictional politics.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world
on 21 Jul 02:33
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a new hope is world war 2 in space, down to the look of weapons, turrets on the millennium falcon and death star, and the name of the faceless bad guy army. and even after that, return of the jedi is the vietnam war in space. and even after that, the prequels are all about fascist america in space! you can have palpatine say something stupid and obviously evil and immediately cut to someone from the Bush administration saying literally the same thing.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 21 Jul 06:03
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The original trilogy is all about Vietnam, or guerilla resistance to imperialism in general, weird take to call a New Hope WW2 but you got the spirit.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 14:12
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The way starfighter combat works is definitely WW2. There’s some hand wavy explanations in-universe for why it works that way, but it clearly comes from WW2 fighter and bomber turret footage.
Politically, the empire is pretty clearly Nazi-coded, but I don’t think Lucas ever had more than a surface level understanding of fascism.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 21 Jul 23:29
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Sure, but it’s not about WW2 specifically in a way that would make Return about Vietnam instead like their comment implied. Anti-fascism in general, sure.
It’s both, people don’t draw inspiration from just one thing. It’s also Hidden Fortress, but that doesn’t make the WW2 elements any less relevant. Star Wars is about the fight against fascism and imperialism in many forms.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world
on 20 Jul 16:04
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That’s part of it for sure. It’s grimdark. Read: boring.
Forever locked in a Jedi vs Sith binary. And it is the highest of heresy to dare imagine anything beyond it.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
on 21 Jul 12:01
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Only a Sith deals with absolutes!
Katana314@lemmy.world
on 21 Jul 12:59
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The worst bit is reflecting on how the first movie portrayed it all.
A horrific empire, but a secret mysterious force, not believed in by many, that can help you fight it. Classic warriors using heavy swords in an age of laser rifles.
I don’t even really know what the message around the force was in The Last Jedi. I didn’t even bother watching Force Awakens.
How is Star Wars even remotely grimdark? That’s just a wild criticism.
And the game you’re talking about literally has no Jedi or Sith at all, it’s entirely about the regular people of the galaxy.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world
on 20 Jul 16:57
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All they have to do is get the same guys that did the trailers for KoTOR and they’d see very good things come out of it. They’re just trying to milk it every way they can so that they can hold on to something now that they’re losing all their OG IPs to public domain.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jul 06:34
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It‘s no brand thing. It‘s just a reaction on the way Ubisoft releases games these days and yes, the game could have been better but without the Star Wars-tag, it wouldn‘t have been noticed at all.
Agree. I played the shit out of this game and it was good. But it could have been so much better. All the ships and weapons and planets in the star wars universe and we get 1 ship and 1 weapon and 4 meh planets. So many missed opportunities that could have made this game great.
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these arrogant assholes.
just like movies and TV, the waning interest in the franchise is only because you keep making shitty games with it.
If you people start making GOOD star wars stuff again, we WILL eat it up.
Personally I’m pretty tired of Star wars, every entertainment product doesn’t need to belong to a Disney franchise
Same, all the Star Wars slop Disney has churned out has completely washed any lingering magic out of the fabric of the franchise for me. I don’t even feel the desire to watch supposedly good Star Wars products like Andor these days.
Yeah, the Baby Yoda Show was its last dying gasp for me. I see the same pattern in most industries: something is profitable, so lean hard into it until the bubble bursts. It’s great for short-term profits but bad for long term and worse overall. I’m not particularly intelligent or educated in business but even I can see this is a terrible strategy.
Star by Star, Traitor, and Destiny’s Way are pretty good. I want some Alpha Red.
Andor is an example of excellent Star Wars content that people want to see. They just produced crap.
I actually strongly disagree.
Andor was an example of actually telling a new story. Yes, people were eager to know who Cassian was. But If you had polled the entire Star Wars fanbase, like five of us would have said “Oh, I want a deeply political story with a massive focus on social justice that heavily focuses on a politician and a spymaster’s daughter. Also, hold back zero punches about the kind of people who would spearhead a rebellion. Like, how crazy can Forrest go?”. And we would have fully admitted we were on our bullshit.
Which was basically the problem with Outlaws. Everyone has been asking for a Han Solo game since people realized a Star Wars Pacman could be a thing. And you need to go REAL hard to make that live up to people’s expectations.
Which, getting back to Andor: I would go so far as to say everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough. You have moments of brilliance (basically any time Skarsgard is on screen) but it spends too much time on a plot point it had already dropped and Cassian is kind of a mary sue. But we were enthralled because this was something NEW (well, less so if you have ever read a political thriller but… Star Wars!). And once it found its legs… it was painful beauty in all the best ways.
And, to go back to “It is a Han Solo game” or “It is a Jedi knight but not a Jedi Knight” and so forth? It doesn’t take much to realize “I have seen this story a million times” and wander off. Like, I know I basically did that once I heard there were insta-fail stealth sections (although I generally try to not give Ubi money to begin with). Same with Ginger McBoring Face Survivor. It had an interesting hook (I LOVED Dark Times and Dass Jennir) and the gameplay was fine but when it came time to come back for seconds it was just “Eh, I’m good”.
Nah. We need more Star Wars that people don’t KNOW they want to see. Not just the tired crap that an exec would think was gold.
I think you guys are saying the same thing. People want to see something they haven’t seen before, even in the star wars universe.
I want to see my man Nom Anor messing things up for both the Rebels and Empire. Maybe make the Peace Brigade while he’s at it.
Its a fundamental mindset that goes into pitch meetings and the like.
Its the same idea behind game design/balance. If you listen to The Gamers, everything will be insanely OP and there will be no curve or balance at all. When the reality is they DO want that balance even if it means their favorite gun is slightly nerfed. But it will basically never be what they actually say when asked “what do you want?”
And same with franchises. People will always say “I want a game where I am Han or Luke” or “I want another KOTOR” and so forth. When the reality is that they don’t actually know what they want.
“why do you balance/Nerf in a single player game? Stupid devs!” Pretty much every single “gamer” with no knowledge of what makes a game fun/challenging. Cracks me up every time.
I'm very curious why you think the Aldhani raid was rough. Also, season 2 is already done, and I think it in some ways surpasses season 1. Have you seen it?
Like I said immediately after that. Moments of it are brilliant but it is clear there were still a lot of ways the plot could have gone and the showrunners were keeping their options over. And, while I think Aldhani was good, the Citra weirdness and Cassian being a mary sue who could do the entire rebellion better than anyone who was there. Whereas once Vel became more of a main character (and used to contrast Mon’s inability to overtly act) and they focused more on one story rather than having the option to tell ten, it became one of my favorite shows of all time.
As for Season 2? I strongly disliked how zany and fun Cassian’s infiltration of the prototype facility was but also understand that they needed to make something so that the trailers aren’t just bleak and horrifying while speeding Cassian to the point of not just being a Believer but being a Leader. But after that time skip it resumed being one of my favorite shows of all time And a big part of that was not even pretending that Mon isn’t the actual main character with Cassian and Kleya more a means to an end… which also fits with what they actually came to accept over the years.
Oh man, I thought I was the only one who didn’t care what was happening until the prison. People were constantly gushing about how amazing it is…but like, it was fine…
I would have been one of those five people. I’ve always wanted adult Star Wars, and Andor finally gave it to me.
They just need to focus on a planet hopping mmo that runs a real world 9 year cycle through the movie eras. No character selection, full randomized setup where you find out what you’re capable of as go. You may not end up a Jedi but you might end up the most notorious bounty hunter in the galaxy or you build end up born a clone dying minutes into first combat.
Star Wars roguelike? I’d play it
Unpopular Opinion: The Yuuzhan Vong Invasion would’ve been better than the Sequel Trilogy.
Seeing that business with Ithor on the big screen would’ve been great.
Anything with a cohesive narrative would have been better than the sequel trilogy, including Dark Empire. Hell, Abrams did Dark Empire anyway, he just compressed it into a single film along with ESB and ROTJ because he’s never had a single original idea about Star Wars.
Honestly, I view ROS as the “Fuck it” movie. All the direction of where the story should go was pretty much dead after TLJ.
IMHO, J.J. Abrams should not be allowed to touch any scriptwriting duties ever. He is not a bad director, but he doesn’t seem to give a shit about the internal logic of the script if it comes in conflict with the “cool ideas” he has.
His two Star Trek films were perfect examples of this fallacy, as was the last and worst Star Wars film. With Star Trek he kinda butchered the heart of the franchise - the point of using starships to explore - with “Oh, the transporter can now beam stuff over interplanetary and interstellar distances, because it will be so awesome and less time consuming!”
Yes, it’s science fiction and suspension of disbelief is required to fully enjoy it, but it is possible to obey the decades old in-universe rules and still write an enticing storyline if you put a little effort in it. Sad model example of lazy writing.
Of course the fault is not all his, the other producers should have stopped his stupid ideas but chose not to. Still, ROS was so bad that the guy should have been blacklisted for life.
Don’t give him credit for TFA. That film set the entire trilogy up for failure with its opening crawl. There was no future for the sequels as soon as he decided to make a shitty ANH remake.
Make boring shit, get no love from the community. It’s as easy as that.
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This is perfect.
Yeah, like beating a dead horse, it has no giddy-up and go. What the hell were they thinking when they decided to do Star Wars Outlaws?
I think the turnoff for me was they wanted like $90 or something. No thanks.
Same here. It actually looks decent. But I’m in no hurry. I’ll wait on it until the ultimate edition is $20 and it’s been patched up.
I believe it ws $70 USD at launch.
You’re right, base game. Then the gold edition was $110 and had the season pass in it. I think I felt like $70 when they were saying there was gonna be at least $40 more of content was something you should just wait for.
That and I think it uses ubisofts launcher still was the no.
I got it for free and I still didn't finish it. It had some interesting ideas but a lot of the gameplay elements were extremely shallow, the main character was annoying, the story was boring and I couldn't get it running on Linux and I wasn't going to boot into Windows just to play this game.
I probably would've been disappointed had I paid any money for it.
Classic skill issue
I actually really liked this game.
This was another, though, that launched with a bunch of bugs on pc. And while I didn’t run into a ton on PS5, the game crashed for me here or there. And that sucks.
But I played and beat this game. And I quite enjoyed it. But I wouldn’t say it’s a masterpiece or anything.
So make new things you dingus.
I loved the acolyte and was sad to hear it was cancelled. Jason Mendoza, a badass sith? Sign me up!
Agree. Racist misogynists ruining the fun for everyone. As usual.
I enjoy Andor, but the acolyte went in a direction that was just so juicy to me. I can’t get enough of alternative approaches to the force!
EDIT: Ok, I remembered the witch singing… It wasn’t perfect. But still, I was hooked so hard.
all of SW isn’t perfect. it fit right in! XD
Or, perhaps a lot of people just didn't think it was a very good show.
Could be - or, you know, all that documented racist misogyni.
https://en.as.com/meristation/news/star-wars-the-acolyte-has-been-critically-bombed-and-the-reason-has-nothing-to-do-with-the-quality-of-the-series-n/
this is nothing new, yet clearly it isn’t stopping execs from (rightfully) casting diverse actors. they aren’t cancelling a $200m mediocre show because of a few noisy bigots.
Yeah I think in this case the few noisy ones managed to create an atmosphere online early on where people assumed the series was bad and gave up on it - causing low numbers for the episodes that followed.
That’s probably an aspect, but likely there weren’t enough people talking about it because most who did though it was mediocre at best.
For a franchise this popular, a few noisy bigots won’t stop people from seeing it. If anything, it draws more attention to the show. You can see this with shows that are actually good.
I don't think Acolyte failed due to racist misogynists. I think it had to do with over saturation and a story that wasn't that interesting. There's around 50 Star Wars titles on Disney+ now (7 live-action shows), and its almost a burden to watch them now like how Marvel movies/shows are. And people loved Asoka enough that its getting a season 2 and it had a vocal minority complain its main characters were all women, too. But it was a well written show.
Marvel is the best example of how Disney ruins things by over-saturating. There are over 50 Marvel movies and over 30 Marvel TV shows. Most are garbage and exist solely to advertise/push the next multi-billion dollar movie. They need to slow the hell down and just make decent content.
Are we really still pushing this narrative in late 2025? Andor is a modern star wars show that has diverse characters and a queen relationship and had little to no backlash because of it. Just because you like an objectively bad show doesn’t mean that everyone else that didn’t like it are suddenly racist/ sexist/ misogynistic/ whatever other term you have for trying to justify why you like the show.
You are allowed to like bad content, I don’t think there’s a single person out there that doesn’t have at least one thing that they know is bad but still enjoy the only difference is that they’re not angry at other people for not liking it too.
Why is it important for you to claim that the well documented racism and misogyni that started well before the show premiered didn't exist?
Oh please, I doubt a loud minority of people on twitter is going to make a show flop if it was actually good. What was said about the Acolyte that was bigoted?
https://en.as.com/meristation/news/star-wars-the-acolyte-has-been-critically-bombed-and-the-reason-has-nothing-to-do-with-the-quality-of-the-series-n/
Seriously? No examples? This is just an article claiming that there where racist and misogynistic comments without any screenshot or quotations of any of them. Not even bleeped out videos that they claim existed. It feels like it’s a pr stunt because they knew it would be a bad show. Again, why hasn’t Andor received the same hate? It has diverse characters and the lead actor is Mexican.
It's very important to you that the claims about racism and misogyni aren't true, correct? Why?
How big is this conspiracy of yours?
https://medium.com/@sakamper/sexism-and-racism-among-star-wars-fans-aefb5dd32ca6
Why aren’t we hearing this about Andor? It seems like there’s only ever controversy around bad films that have marketed themselves as being diverse while never for films that are just diverse.
The article you linked says that the negative reception to wards the Acolyte “…can be seen as part of a wider pattern of resistance to diversity in media.” While speaking about specific cases in other films but not in the Acolyte. They are trying to make it sound like any form of negative criticism is linked to bigotry. It’s like they’re using racism and misogyny as a scapegoat.
I struggle to understand how some racist comments online can stop a movie or show from being popular with the masses? Where are all the “real Star Wars fans” that apparently support these shows? Most people don’t follow our care about online controversy.
https://fedia.io/m/games@lemmy.world/t/2449351/-/comment/11589513
(afaik Pedro Pascal isn't a black woman but maybe I'm out of the loop)
Are you serious? Not only are you linking to to a comment on this thread but you think Pedro Pascal is in Andor? He’s not even Mexican for fuck sake.
Sure, I can't really understand myself why I wrote Pedro Pascal instead of Diego Luna - but it doesn't change the point of the post whatsoever tbh.
Your point that the Acolyte flopped because of racism doesn’t stand, you’ve either dismissed or ignored my questions or provided links that are either speculation or are from a non reputable source like a lemmy comment. One would think that there would be screenshots or videos or viewership statistics or something to prove your point.
I've linked to two different instances of people talking about it, there are of course many more. Thus why I asked you how big this conspiracy of yours would be for all of them to be lying.
What do you see when reading this?
https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/the-acolyte-review-woke-feminist/
No, it just wasn’t a very good show
omg yes! i’m SO pissed it’s not being followed up on.
tighten up the reins if it’s a money issue, but omg it was a great exploration of Force traditions in a cool new era!
uuuggghhhh
There is waning interest in Star Wars franchise. And Assassin’s Creed franchise. And Far Cry Franchise. Hmmm, there seems to be a pattern here…
Meanwhile games like Marvel Rivals are doing great.
Conclusion: People are only interested in live-service games and we're not pumping out our slop fast enough!
Wasn’t AC Shadows one of their best selling games? People still like Ubisoft games despite what people here want to believe. AC and FC fans play them precisely because they don’t rock the boat too much, you get what you expect with these games. The problem is that Star Wars fans probably aren’t looking for the same fix that Ubisoft’s usual audience is looking for.
Are any of the Far Cry’s remarkable? Not particularly but it’s a good co-op game where I can mess around with a friend and shoot the shit with. And it consistently gives me a good experience if that’s what I’m looking for.
It just boggles my mind how execs can learn the wrong lesson 100% of the time. It seems impossible.
Regardless, they keep canning games like 1313 that get fans hyped and give us generic trash instead.
Oh, he 100% knows the truth. He just can’t say it since admitting it’s Ubisoft’s fault would lower investor confidence (and therefore affect his personal wealth). This is the standard “blame our failures on market forces outside our control” move that all CEOs of publicly-traded are forced to do.
The stock market was a mistake.
Maybe. It does kinda make sense.
These assholes are the same idiots that think they can sell the company yet maintain creative control though.
Hell yeah, comrade. Abolish the stock market.
I love Star Wars and usually have a half decent time with Ubi games. You can usually pick them up for 50% off physical like a month after release.
I have never put down a game quicker than Outlaws. It’s Ubisoft open world map icon slop at its worst. The first 4 hours of story are boring and repetitive. Every mission was “sneak into an Imperial base, oh shit something went wrong! Now escape!” Progression and abilities might as well not be there.
Interest in SW isn’t waning. Companies keep making bad SW content.
Even if it was good, the formula you mentioned has been done to death. Every game they make is that. Then they say how can we possibly make an RDR2 level game, and I think to that and there was a game where honestly the gameplay was pretty repetitive - but you don’t notice because the story is so good that of course you want to keep going.
But they make these bland corporate characters with boring stories and take absolutely zero risks because what if we offend one person in Ohio - and then it sells like crap. You try to make it for everyone, you made it for no one
I thought it did a good job at capturing the Star Wars feel, but yeah it feels like every open world game. Lots of fetch quests and running around in a massive world where every encounter/quest/battle feels the same as the last.
It may just be me, but most open world games suffer from trying to be too large. Although I think BOTW and TOTK are some of the weakest Zelda games, so maybe my opinions on open world games aren’t popular.
Just started watching Star Trek and so far watched Picard, Strange New Worlds and the one with the black chick as the main character and holy fuck is star trek a waaaay better story and franchise than star wars. Star wars fuckin sucks.
I’m struggling to get my head around someone who just got into Star Trek starting with Picard.
I mean, fine - if you enjoyed it that’s great! But it’s a show explicitly about exploring the later life of a franchise figurehead. If you didn’t watch any of the earlier series or movies first you’re missing 90%+ of the context for what’s happening, surely?
Wait until you get to the real Star Trek, the actual good ones. Next Generation, DS9, Voyager, etc. Whatever they’re making now is literally garbage compared to what they used to make.
But to be fair, that is exactly the same case as Star Wars. Used to be pretty good, now Disney has run it into the floor.
Hahahaha theyre all fuckin trash. I tried watching the old shit and its all straight up garbage.
It’s been like 4-5 years since I’ve purchased a Ubisoft game. There’s too many games out there to be spending money on a trash publishers games. Along with how slp on the wrist it seemed with their workplace sexual harassment/bullying/assault, always remember that they pioneered always online DRM for single player games. They’ve been a trash company publicly for almost 20 years. Culturally probably longer
There is a waning interest, but it wasn’t the singular reason the game flopped. It’s because it was a painfully mediocre game at an extremely inflated price.
Mass-produced corporate sludge like Outlaws is exactly why interest is waning. It sucks the soul out of the franchise and makes people lose interest.
Did Guillemot not hear about Andor? The costs of a Disney Plus subscription vs a $70 game aside, that show respected the viewer's time and intelligence in all the ways Outlaws didn't. But I'm not surprised the heads of Ubisoft lack basic retrospection. Regurgitating past successes is all they know how to do, and how could they be wrong? Must be the rest of the world. :/
This statement in the same week as Yves installs his son as Co-CEO in charge of their biggest franchises. A man who entered the industry as a CEO of a mobile company and then founded a AI/NFT/crypto game company that is being liquidated now.
Pure nepotism. The Guillemont family is the parasite that is killing Ubisoft.
If they would’ve stuck with the old ‘gritty’ Star Wars game that was supposed to be like GTA style adult oriented Star Wars instead of this stupid shit. It would have been massively successful.
Idk, I liked Jedi: Survivor even though that one was EA.
Not waning interest in Ubisoft?
Because, ooh boy, did my interest in Ubisoft wane year after year of overproduced cookie cutter crap. And I’m not expecting a change of phase.
Also, Guillemot, you’re talking publicly a lot for someone with (now convicted) sexual harrasser friends you’ve protected all of your career.
I don’t know how it has taken people so long to realize something I realized around AssCreed3, that all Ubisoft does is release the same game with a different skin over and over again.
If you stopped playing after 3, and who could blame you, than you did miss out on Black Flag which was probably the high point of the series. But your general point still stands, Black Flag is kind of the exception that proves the rule.
Honestly I only played the first one, but I do know that Black Flag is the most loved one. However when I say what I say it is not just about assassins creed, the observation which at that point was rather obvious for me was that ever Ubisoft franchise was more or less following the same template and it has only gotten worse.
Even Call Of Duty tends to introduce new mechanics in each version.
I thought the game looked ok, but why would I pay $70 for a game that can disappear from my library whenever Ubisoft feels like it? They’ve demonstrated that they’re willing to permanently take games away from paying customers, so I’m not willing to spend more than the cost of a rental on one of their games.
And that’s the exact feeling I’ve had. So eloquently said. Thank you. 💯
If they sell me a product that i can’t forever keep, then I’ve been renting the whole time.
What? I thought Ubisoft was saying sales were really strong and how Outlaws was such a big success?
I’m going to guess this is the exact same case with Assassins Creed. An AC game set in feudal Japan should have been a Grand Slam. Literally everyone wanted it. But leave it up to Ubisoft to find ways to make money from a printer drop right into the shredder.
It’s more than just bugs and “blandness.” Clearly people aren’t buying what Ubisoft is making, and they keep changing stuff but none of the things they change are the reasons people aren’t buying their games. It is crazy to me that executives continue to learn the wrong lesson from failed games 100% of the time. And then they ignore gamers when we straight up tell them what they should have changed. Crazy.
I agree about what’s happening. They’re producing boring games and not learning anything.
But I don’t give a shit. Let them go down in flames. New indie devs an studios are popping up all the time with fresh, unique, and interesting games. I haven’t bought a AAA game in over a decade and I’m not missing a damn thing.
I partially disagree. I don’t want Ubisoft to die. I want them to make good and fun games, like they used to 15 years ago. I want AAA to be like it once was. And I reward when AAA games are like that by buying them.
Gamers want to give our money to developers and publishers. But we want good quality games that at the very least match (but ideally surpass) the quality of experiences we used to get in the past. Recently, Ubisoft has not been providing that, and thus Ubisoft sales have been plummeting. Now, is this a failure of executives? Developers? I say likely both.
Give the developers autonomy for one game, where there is zero executive involvement in the development and see how it goes. If it does well, then just let them make another game with full autonomy. If it goes poorly, make employment cuts on the team or move them around because clearly they didn’t do well even without executive direction. But also keep in mind if another huge competitor takes over, like releasing next to GTA6, pretty much every other games sales will suffer most likely (unless its $100 at launch lol).
Its not a hard decision to make when it comes to business. Any person with a single braincell can see this. The problem is that giving a studio full autonomy is a financial risk. There is great potential for failure when executives feel like they have no control. Businesses are too risk averse now to make such simple decisions. They would rather maintain control of a sinking ship instead of giving crew members autonomy to try to right the ship. Its crazy to me.
I want to give my money to a dev with a passion and a good idea. I do not want to support a soulless corporation grinding away at an IP to maximize profits for the next quarter.
All developers eventually become “soulless corporations grinding away at an IP to maximize profits for the next quarter.” They have to, because otherwise they die forever and take their IPs with them to the grave or sell them to corporations.
Support who you want, but understand that the developers who work for Ubisoft, at the very least some of them, have passion and good ideas. There are circumstances that can lead to those people not being at the surface or even being intentionally held back/bullied from realizing those ideas.
The game looked quite generic to me. As someone who’s not deep into Star Wars, the titular character looked more like 70s mom than space adventure. And the gameplay also looked like they just slapped yet another texture pack onto something I’ve seen a thousand times already.
So, I don’t see why you’d buy this game in particular, unless you do a lot of gaming or a lot of Star Wars. I imagine, they missed out on most sales towards the more casual crowd.
So more like star wars inlaws than outlaws?
It feels like they tried to make a PG/kids version of Red Dead Redemption with aliens, poorly written characters and a glitch-infested game engine as cheap as legally possible without being called slave labor.
I tried it in May/June and it was very meh. At the start I had an urge to play it, but after a day or two I had no urge to open it. A lot of it felt repetitive to a point of why bother.
Waning interest in Ubisoft. Everything they touch is painfully generic and uninteresting. On top of that, they infect the games with Denuvo malware while charging top dollar. But sure, blame the consumers for your lack of vision, passion, business sense, and technical acumen. See how that pays off, Yves.
It’s really sad. I truly believe that Yves (or rather the Guillemots in general) were passionate about game development once. Now it feels mostly corporate, even though they still claim to be pro-gamer and innovative and fun. It’s double sad because they acquired quite some good studios that have to be shaped into their corp structure and ultimately lose their innovation. It’s not as bad as old-school EA, but it’s still subjectively bad.
A) And yet, not long after, Andor was massively successful.
B) Then stop making games exclusively based off of third party IPs.
Andor was awesome in addition to being successful. It feels weird when those two things coincide.
Could it be waning interest in the Ubislop formula?
No, it’s the gamers who are wrong!
I don’t even hate the Ubisoft formula, but it’s, like, dawg…. Try something new. I go years without being interested in the schlog, then I get really into one. But it’s astounding that they’re still putting out the same game for over a decade now. The trimmings might be a little spruced and fluffed here and there but the core loop is still the same fucking game, again and again and again.
Yeah, I played AC Odyssey and the DLC a while back, and I’m still burnt out on Assassin’s Creed about 4 years later.
It just seems designed to sap as much of your time as possible. Like an MMO but without any tangible benefit for them doing so.
And then they have the balls to sell items in game that speed up the gameplay.
I was level capped before I even touched the DLC. I ignored everything that was generated rather than having some story to it. There’s just a lot of game there. Too much, in fact.
I just don’t know who the funbucks shop is even for. It’s not like you can even show it off online because it’s single player…
Maybe there’s a lot of rich kids out there who’s parents say yes to any request. I can’t imagine there are single player purchase “whales” like in multiplayer games.
Disney killed the franchise by releasing slop year after year. Also by letting Ubisoft make a Star Wars game.
Wasn’t it more that the game was a buggy mess? No that can’t have been it it was clearly the fans fault.
Star wars should be in the public domain by now
No it’s because it was shite,poorly written and lousy with weird polical shit and terrble gameplay.
star wars is inherently a political franchise
Difference between analogies to real or fictional politics.
a new hope is world war 2 in space, down to the look of weapons, turrets on the millennium falcon and death star, and the name of the faceless bad guy army. and even after that, return of the jedi is the vietnam war in space. and even after that, the prequels are all about fascist america in space! you can have palpatine say something stupid and obviously evil and immediately cut to someone from the Bush administration saying literally the same thing.
The original trilogy is all about Vietnam, or guerilla resistance to imperialism in general, weird take to call a New Hope WW2 but you got the spirit.
The way starfighter combat works is definitely WW2. There’s some hand wavy explanations in-universe for why it works that way, but it clearly comes from WW2 fighter and bomber turret footage.
Politically, the empire is pretty clearly Nazi-coded, but I don’t think Lucas ever had more than a surface level understanding of fascism.
Sure, but it’s not about WW2 specifically in a way that would make Return about Vietnam instead like their comment implied. Anti-fascism in general, sure.
It’s both, people don’t draw inspiration from just one thing. It’s also Hidden Fortress, but that doesn’t make the WW2 elements any less relevant. Star Wars is about the fight against fascism and imperialism in many forms.
That’s part of it for sure. It’s grimdark. Read: boring.
Forever locked in a Jedi vs Sith binary. And it is the highest of heresy to dare imagine anything beyond it.
Only a Sith deals with absolutes!
The worst bit is reflecting on how the first movie portrayed it all.
A horrific empire, but a secret mysterious force, not believed in by many, that can help you fight it. Classic warriors using heavy swords in an age of laser rifles.
I don’t even really know what the message around the force was in The Last Jedi. I didn’t even bother watching Force Awakens.
How is Star Wars even remotely grimdark? That’s just a wild criticism.
And the game you’re talking about literally has no Jedi or Sith at all, it’s entirely about the regular people of the galaxy.
All they have to do is get the same guys that did the trailers for KoTOR and they’d see very good things come out of it. They’re just trying to milk it every way they can so that they can hold on to something now that they’re losing all their OG IPs to public domain.
You mean SWTOR rather than KOTOR?
It’s almost like if I’m constantly fed slop I avoid it
Couldn’t care less about the games.
Couldn’t care less about the shows.
If a movie comes out, even a terrible one, I’ll be there.
Andor is the best thing the series has ever done, including every movie.
And the animated Clone Wars series is a close second
This last season came out swinging with their wardrobe budget. The first 2 episodes I think we just kept talking about how much we liked outfits
It‘s no brand thing. It‘s just a reaction on the way Ubisoft releases games these days and yes, the game could have been better but without the Star Wars-tag, it wouldn‘t have been noticed at all.
Agree. I played the shit out of this game and it was good. But it could have been so much better. All the ships and weapons and planets in the star wars universe and we get 1 ship and 1 weapon and 4 meh planets. So many missed opportunities that could have made this game great.
💯! Alone KOTOR 1 and 2 in a remastered version would be something worth dying for - never stop dreaming! 🙏🏻