JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 16 Jun 20:30
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If they make it $1 a month and it doesn’t charge you for .months you don’t download anything I’d be fine.
iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 15:44
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Unfortunately there are still bills to pay even if you don’t visit the site for months. Keeping the lights on is not free. So that is a very unlikely subscription model you’re describing.
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 17 Jun 15:51
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They have bills to pay even if I’m not a customer.
He does deserve that, but I wish the single biggest modding hub on the internet and a load bearing pillar of an entire gaming culture wasn’t sold off to an unnamed party with no transparency and only vague reassurances that “nothing will change”.
What with the late stage capitalist society we’re living in, I’ve been conditioned to think that good things being sold off rarely amounts to good things.
At the very least the entity that bought it will not rely on donations and revenue from upgraded download speeds, so it will definitely enshittify further to some degree.
The problem is not capitalism, it’s really us expecting shit to be free and rewarding good development and maintenance effort with thoughts and prayers.
msage@programming.dev
on 16 Jun 18:44
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Great. Yes. Under some kind of egalitarian free-energy tech utopia such as you’re describing, websites like Nexus mods would be even better. Sadly there are no such systems already operating for us to move to, and we do not yet have the technology to try creating a new one.
So any other political systems that are more real-world?
You don’t need full communism, just make sure companies are owned by the workers, suddenly they will have more money, free time, they will cut down the working hours, and that will help passion projects like these and many more.
A collective can be a great way to run a company, for some cases. I lived with a girl who worked at a cafe that was run as a collective - it meant that people had a fair say in decisions that affected them. They could vote on their own wages, working conditions, and no one was barking out orders bossing them around. The owner was an old-school left-winger who was doing this out of pure idealism. He was still the one with the financial risk, he dealt with banks, ensured taxes were dealt with, and all the other tasks involved in running a business such as that.
It do be like that, but sadly human greed has never once gave us a prime example of actual true to spirit communism
Croquette@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 10:29
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Socialism is the means of production owned by the state or the workers.
Communism is a subset of socialism, where you have a classless society. Different communist doctrines have a different view on how to achieve that.
Edit : clicked on the wrong reply button. Oh well
Supervisor194@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 19:26
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The problem is not capitalism […] it’s really us expecting shit to be free
No, “we” are not the problem. “We” donated and participated (by making mods) and “we” are responsible for giving the site what value it had. If it had no value, then it couldn’t have been sold.
You make it sound like the site has been destroyed and enshitefied. Do we have any proof of such so far? Or can we put our trust in the guy who made it to hand it off to someone he trusts to do good by it? Everyone is freaking out about a possibility, which isn’t without cause since we’ve seen what can happen with other companies, but so far there is no need to pull out pitchforks.
Walican132@lemmy.today
on 17 Jun 17:55
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Oh I agree. I’m just bitching that it was all done secretly.
The fact that it’s secret implies to me the community won’t be happy. Idk.
Yeah, the doing it in secret can definitely be worrying and flame rumors, I agree. I’m being optimistic that the new owner is someone close to them and they’re still working out details before announcing who they are
Corporations and companies parasitically destroy everything human in the name of money. If it’s not a non-profit dedicated to the purpose of providing access to mods, it’s just a question of time. Best to just get a new thing started.
Care to explain in what way?
I’ve been a casual user of the side for a few years now and except the short waiting times for downloads and endorsement reminders there has been nothing to really frustrate me.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 16 Jun 18:28
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The constant pushes for their premium model, while understandable, sucked as a user. Same with the increasing push to do EVERYTHING through their mod managers which actually had a tendency to conflict with the community made installers for a lot of older games.
They also had weird stances as to what triggered a mod as NSFW. Nobody (sane) would complain about the straight up sex mods but it had the same youtube problem where mature/“mature” content would get age gated. Same with their very hit or miss rules on “politics”. The reality being that it was just a way to blanket ban content for the moderators but it led to hilarity when Skyrim (the game that site basically was built on) has white supremacists in-game but you can’t even acknowledge that because it would make the chuds angry out of game.
For what it was? I liked it. But it has been on the decline for… probably about half the time it has existed.
I’ll also add on that there is a tin foil (but not THAT much) conspiracy that a lot of the pushback against Bethesda’s premium mods came from the Nexus mods staff/team since it was a direct competition to them and they realized no modder would risk that smoke from… asking to get paid for their hard work.
I haven’t used it in the last several years, but from about 2014-2018 any time I tried to download, it required registration, and any time I tried to register, it just didn’t work. It was some problem with the javascript in their site. Probably related to captcha or something. Yes, I tried multiple computers, multiple browsers, even tried registering on a library’s computer.
Looks like their site is less shit now, but it’s still awful.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 17:14
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The folks who responded explained it better than I could have so I will deffer to them.
mintiefresh@piefed.ca
on 16 Jun 17:13
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Might be too late. They changed the policy a few years ago when they introduced mod packs. They didn’t want entire packs to fail if one person pulled their mod, so total deletion was disabled.
Folks can still hide their mods and make new individual downloads impossible, but it’s still there in the background.
If they start any nefarious monetization practices, absolutely pull mods. Until then though, I agree. No reason to pull ones that are already there, but definitely be prudent and start casting a wider net.
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth
on 16 Jun 17:15
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GOG's move into mod support seems pretty prescient now.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world
on 16 Jun 17:22
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They had a good run. It was fun while it lasted.
MemmingenFan923@feddit.org
on 16 Jun 17:30
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I’ll probably keep using it and see what happens. To be honest I’ll just go where the content is, and if the new people fuck it up it’ll likely go elsewhere.
I got a “lifetime membership” on discount right before they did away with that option entirely. I’ll stick around for a bit, too, mostly.out of convenience, but I ain’t contributing, and I’m leaving uBlock on at all times.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
on 16 Jun 18:24
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This is shit but… if people weren’t already concerned over the massive monopoly that Nexus had then they weren’t paying attention.
I wonder if someone could upload a snapshot of it to the Internet Archive.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Jun 18:45
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Wait, was it confirmed sold? The news post on Nexus fron this morning indicated that the existing head admin and CEO (of 24 years) was just stepping back (and not even away entirely), and had already put the year+ in of identifying two successors from his existing team.
I didn’t see anything regarding a sale, and the existing admin said quite a bit about taking this seriously from a standpoint of what’s best for mod makers and users and not best for business profits.
Edit: I’m not seeing any company name given because as far as I can tell, it wasn’t sold. It’s the same company, same employees, the person at the tip top is just shifting.
And since when is “comicbook dot com” a source for game modding news? Unless someone can show me something from a more direct or reputable source, I think this is just someone running with the most click bait interpretation of the nexusmods post.
Edit x2: Dormedas’s resetera link has some convincing investigation that the two people named as taking over the reigns may work for a company that provides esports training, and also consulting services for user generated content focused companies.
They say ownership has changed hands but that it isn’t a corporate “exit”. The whole announcement is extremely vague on the details with the only names given are two people.
dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com
on 16 Jun 19:38
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wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Jun 21:50
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Thanks! That’s damn good for “best effort”! A convincing lead on what company it may be.
Personally, I still don’t think it’s time for immediate red alert, but I’ll have to keep an eye on things. Hopefully we’ll see some competitors like GameBanana step up to the challenge.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Jun 19:58
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It’s was a lateral move from one person inside Nexus to another moderator. It wasn’t sold to some faceless corporation
They’ll probably implement a daily/hourly download limit like MEGA does. So, for example, you can download 1000000000 small mods of some kbs, but the limit is 5 GB, so the mod bundle for big games is virtually limited to premium users.
They’ll probably try to change the lifetime subscription(the biggest sin in capitalism, how do you make infinite money without doing nothing if people can buy subscription once?), making it useless compared to the premium premium subscription.
Paid mods I think are unlikely, why bother to make a change so unpopular? Milk this shit for a decade and press this button only when shit hits the fan.
Is a enshification process not so painful so the vast majority will not bother to look for alternatives.
In other words: We’re doomed.
Crankenstein@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 04:29
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Paid mods I think are unlikely, why bother to make a change so unpopular? Milk this shit for a decade and press this button only when shit hits the fan.
Unfortunately, I think this will be likely because Nexus has almost entirely cornered the market on mods. It is the place people get their mods from if not the Steam Workshop.
People would have to actually abandon the convenience and go back to scrolling a bunch of games specific forums for their mods. I don’t see that happening unfortunately and I’m pretty sure the executives at the new company know this. It’s a common marketing tactic to exploit the sunk cost fallacy.
Nah there’s some games that still only have stuff on moddb, thunderstore is the main place for v rising and a few other popular titles, and for Minecraft there’s curseforge and modrinth, and GOG is adding mods now too. The community is more fragmented than you’d think
? Same reason people use shit platforms? I can’t barely watch Twitch with 3 ads in a row every 30min and they still are the biggest streaming platform even when is shitty to the users and streamers. It’s a community based platform unless the community move to other place they still be big because people is there.
I guess you still have the issue of someone needing to pay for the huge number of downloads, most of which are going to come from users who make no other contributions to the site. Maybe you could combine a fedi site with torrents or something?
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today
on 16 Jun 21:49
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Can things be fedirated and monetized so long as the monetization is put into maintenance & upkeep?
The Internet Archive. No need to reinvent the wheel. Have a discussion with them - set up a new project. Boom - everyone’s mods hosted in perpetuity by a free digital library.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Jun 02:48
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Good luck hosting the terabytes of data that mods have.
Crankenstein@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 04:32
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Let me introduce you to torrenting and community distribution of data.
It could be implemented this way so that no one individual would need to fully shoulder the burden of hosting everything.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 05:12
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Since mods are almost exclusively unable to be copyrighted nowadays, there is a very good chance the Internet Archive would be more than happy to host the mod data - as they have with many community projects.
Federation would allow you to only host mods not hosted at other servers, with some level of redundancy.
Also, it could use a modding app with BitTorrent-like functionality, so that downloaders could share their copies as well.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Jun 11:58
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So…old mods or mods for uninteresting and obscure games would eventually die because of zero seeders.
I know there’s no easy answer for this question but this would happen. Just try looking on the p2P scene for an unpopular or extremely niche tv show. There’s usually zero or sometimes in a rare occasion less than 3 seeders
There are plenty, they just aren’t as big or as well designed because they are just small forums, and most are usually game specific.
Nexus was unique in that it was a hub for the modding community, made specifically because people didn’t want to have to browse hundreds of different forums to get their mods that may or may not be compatible with each other. It was a nice convenience while it lasted.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Jun 00:38
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Here is a monetization “cheat sheet” that the CEO posted on LinkedIn which is linked on Chosen’s main page if you scroll down: i.imgur.com/ztjS4K7.jpeg
In the CEO’s LinkedIn profile it says this:
Working closely with teams at NexusMods and beyond to build meaningful, sustainable experiences
If I had to guess the acquisition details are under some sort of NDA right now
Really? I onyl use VPN for reddit and don’t have an issue. But then again there is a lot of VPN’s out there, they would have to find each endpoint to block.
A new website will suffer the same fate eventually. The best solution I’ve seen is CKAN for kerbal space program mods. Each mod just hosts its own releases for free on github or wherever they like, and the whole mod index is just another github repo.
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
on 17 Jun 11:08
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The problem with that it’s not “wherever they like”, it is github 99% of the time. It is easier to fix when github enshitifies completely, but it will still require fixing
Welp. Almost all of the conversations I’ve read about this change have devolved into “hopefully the new owners don’t enforce their political views.”
They always say shit like “if you don’t like a mod, don’t use it,” but they can’t wrap their heads around the idea that if they can’t tolerate the (ex-)site owner exercising his own moral beliefs, they can find a different platform.
Fun.
ipitco@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 17 Jun 16:41
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Pretty much all platforms do this. It’s not a bad thing to want a big and established uncensored platform
Nobody should be obliged to host bigotry. That’s not “censorship” in a way that matters.
ipitco@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 18 Jun 07:11
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Oh yea of course they’re not, and I would say bigotry was not my aim with my comment. The company can do whatever the fuck they want and it’s probably better this way.
I do get that some people might want extreme free speech where nothing gets censored. It allows for other non conventional ideas to spread. For better, and for worse. Yea nowadays it’s often for worse but hey, there’s still a chance. All of this is really subjective.
I just don’t believe that a mod that changes Voice 1 and Voice 2 to Women voice and Men voice is bigotry. Removing pride flags in a game is… well it says a lot of the person, but it doesn’t harm anyone directly and it’s something you have to actively add to your game if you want it. There could be criticism of pride which can be valid as well but that’s beyond my point.
Having this kind of content hidden and with trigger warnings is still more or less doable depending on the content, and can allow for more expression than classical rules, and not only bad expression.
Shitty mods like Crack Life for half-life are super offensive but funny as hell if you take it with a grain of salt. Knowing that could be banned sucks.
But if their argument is that you can simply ignore mods you disagree with, then those individuals should stop brigading against and whining about, say, a mod that enables queer relationships. As their own arguments imply, they can simply ignore those mods.
They should really pick a side instead of cherrypicking what’s convenient for them.
ipitco@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 18 Jun 07:26
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I would personally be for that
The offensive mods should be hidden by default or similar, with a trigger warning on the mod asking to move on if you don’t agree instead of crying in comments. Same for LGBT… stuff, but we can show by default because it’s not offensive, but have a way to hide it so that those that hate social progress won’t cry as well
And there you go. A platform for everyone. You won’t agree with everyone, but you can make the experience tailored to what you want or don’t want to see
stevedice@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 16:47
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Oh no, this is never good. How long before they implement a required pay system?
Instant death of nexus if that happens
If they make it $1 a month and it doesn’t charge you for .months you don’t download anything I’d be fine.
Unfortunately there are still bills to pay even if you don’t visit the site for months. Keeping the lights on is not free. So that is a very unlikely subscription model you’re describing.
They have bills to pay even if I’m not a customer.
They claimed they won’t, but we’ll have to see their actions www.nexusmods.com/news/15301?comment_id=155643499
No mention of who it is even being sold to, so bizarre.
That’s a big red flag. Good news would say something like “we’re happy to announce a team of community ownership”.
A big corpo comes in and offer you a life changing amount of money. Very few people can say no to that, myself included.
God damnit we just can’t have nice things.
And I literately just started using them for Daggerfall. Really frustrating.
Guy worked on the site for 24 years. Think he deserves some nice things himself (like reclaiming his life)
He does deserve that, but I wish the single biggest modding hub on the internet and a load bearing pillar of an entire gaming culture wasn’t sold off to an unnamed party with no transparency and only vague reassurances that “nothing will change”.
What with the late stage capitalist society we’re living in, I’ve been conditioned to think that good things being sold off rarely amounts to good things.
Let’s hope this is one of the few exceptions.
Narrator: It wasn’t.
At the very least the entity that bought it will not rely on donations and revenue from upgraded download speeds, so it will definitely enshittify further to some degree.
The problem is not capitalism, it’s really us expecting shit to be free and rewarding good development and maintenance effort with thoughts and prayers.
The problem is capitalism, plain and simple.
How would this specific problem be better under another system?
In a system where money is not a thing it would just be a creative passion project and run endlessly until it was no longer needed.
Great. Yes. Under some kind of egalitarian free-energy tech utopia such as you’re describing, websites like Nexus mods would be even better. Sadly there are no such systems already operating for us to move to, and we do not yet have the technology to try creating a new one.
So any other political systems that are more real-world?
You don’t need full communism, just make sure companies are owned by the workers, suddenly they will have more money, free time, they will cut down the working hours, and that will help passion projects like these and many more.
There’s no need for this aggresive exaggeration.
A collective can be a great way to run a company, for some cases. I lived with a girl who worked at a cafe that was run as a collective - it meant that people had a fair say in decisions that affected them. They could vote on their own wages, working conditions, and no one was barking out orders bossing them around. The owner was an old-school left-winger who was doing this out of pure idealism. He was still the one with the financial risk, he dealt with banks, ensured taxes were dealt with, and all the other tasks involved in running a business such as that.
“Companies owned by the workers” is communism. That’s literally what is meant by “shared ownership of the means of production”.
The “means of production” is all the shit that companies own, such as the land, machines, buildings, raw materials, etc…
It’s literally not, but I don’t want to get into it.
Literally is, sorry you are so confused about the subject.
It do be like that, but sadly human greed has never once gave us a prime example of actual true to spirit communism
Socialism is the means of production owned by the state or the workers.
Communism is a subset of socialism, where you have a classless society. Different communist doctrines have a different view on how to achieve that.
Edit : clicked on the wrong reply button. Oh well
No, “we” are not the problem. “We” donated and participated (by making mods) and “we” are responsible for giving the site what value it had. If it had no value, then it couldn’t have been sold.
Quit trying to blame the users for fuck’s sake.
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Capitalism created this expectation. That’s how corpos operate. Capture the market then bleed it.
Dude I’ve been premium for years. First sign of betrayal that will change though
Yeah he could have reached out to the community to find someone to run it who would act ethically.
You make it sound like the site has been destroyed and enshitefied. Do we have any proof of such so far? Or can we put our trust in the guy who made it to hand it off to someone he trusts to do good by it? Everyone is freaking out about a possibility, which isn’t without cause since we’ve seen what can happen with other companies, but so far there is no need to pull out pitchforks.
Oh I agree. I’m just bitching that it was all done secretly.
The fact that it’s secret implies to me the community won’t be happy. Idk.
Yeah, the doing it in secret can definitely be worrying and flame rumors, I agree. I’m being optimistic that the new owner is someone close to them and they’re still working out details before announcing who they are
Corporations and companies parasitically destroy everything human in the name of money. If it’s not a non-profit dedicated to the purpose of providing access to mods, it’s just a question of time. Best to just get a new thing started.
That is such a depressing way to look at things
Unfortunately, it’s just the way it is.
Fuck em nexus has sucked for a while anyway, they started enshittification years ago.
Care to explain in what way? I’ve been a casual user of the side for a few years now and except the short waiting times for downloads and endorsement reminders there has been nothing to really frustrate me.
The constant pushes for their premium model, while understandable, sucked as a user. Same with the increasing push to do EVERYTHING through their mod managers which actually had a tendency to conflict with the community made installers for a lot of older games.
They also had weird stances as to what triggered a mod as NSFW. Nobody (sane) would complain about the straight up sex mods but it had the same youtube problem where mature/“mature” content would get age gated. Same with their very hit or miss rules on “politics”. The reality being that it was just a way to blanket ban content for the moderators but it led to hilarity when Skyrim (the game that site basically was built on) has white supremacists in-game but you can’t even acknowledge that because it would make the chuds angry out of game.
For what it was? I liked it. But it has been on the decline for… probably about half the time it has existed.
I’ll also add on that there is a tin foil (but not THAT much) conspiracy that a lot of the pushback against Bethesda’s premium mods came from the Nexus mods staff/team since it was a direct competition to them and they realized no modder would risk that smoke from… asking to get paid for their hard work.
I haven’t used it in the last several years, but from about 2014-2018 any time I tried to download, it required registration, and any time I tried to register, it just didn’t work. It was some problem with the javascript in their site. Probably related to captcha or something. Yes, I tried multiple computers, multiple browsers, even tried registering on a library’s computer.
Looks like their site is less shit now, but it’s still awful.
The folks who responded explained it better than I could have so I will deffer to them.
Oh this is sad news.
Let the enshitification begin.
sigh.
Sounds like people need to start taking their mods off of there quick.
Might be too late. They changed the policy a few years ago when they introduced mod packs. They didn’t want entire packs to fail if one person pulled their mod, so total deletion was disabled.
Folks can still hide their mods and make new individual downloads impossible, but it’s still there in the background.
(All this is from memory. I hope I’m wrong)
I think there’s a process for removing mods. The page disappears but if it was in a pack thay version will remain up until the pack author removes it.
It was not a welcomed change, people lost it.
I wouldn't advocate removing mods. Definitely put them on another site though.
If they start any nefarious monetization practices, absolutely pull mods. Until then though, I agree. No reason to pull ones that are already there, but definitely be prudent and start casting a wider net.
GOG's move into mod support seems pretty prescient now.
They had a good run. It was fun while it lasted.
I uninstalled Nexus Mods. Thank you.
You “uninstalled” a website? Are you trolling or a complete noob?
Maybe they meant the installable mod manager, Vortex.
You mean their mod mangler? That POS has never met an install it couldn’t bork!
The right way to mod is either manually, if only using a fairly small number of mods, or using MO2 if doing anything complicated.
I’ll probably keep using it and see what happens. To be honest I’ll just go where the content is, and if the new people fuck it up it’ll likely go elsewhere.
I got a “lifetime membership” on discount right before they did away with that option entirely. I’ll stick around for a bit, too, mostly.out of convenience, but I ain’t contributing, and I’m leaving uBlock on at all times.
This is shit but… if people weren’t already concerned over the massive monopoly that Nexus had then they weren’t paying attention.
I wonder if someone could upload a snapshot of it to the Internet Archive.
Wait, was it confirmed sold? The news post on Nexus fron this morning indicated that the existing head admin and CEO (of 24 years) was just stepping back (and not even away entirely), and had already put the year+ in of identifying two successors from his existing team.
I didn’t see anything regarding a sale, and the existing admin said quite a bit about taking this seriously from a standpoint of what’s best for mod makers and users and not best for business profits.
Edit: I’m not seeing any company name given because as far as I can tell, it wasn’t sold. It’s the same company, same employees, the person at the tip top is just shifting.
And since when is “comicbook dot com” a source for game modding news? Unless someone can show me something from a more direct or reputable source, I think this is just someone running with the most click bait interpretation of the nexusmods post.
Edit x2: Dormedas’s resetera link has some convincing investigation that the two people named as taking over the reigns may work for a company that provides esports training, and also consulting services for user generated content focused companies.
They say ownership has changed hands but that it isn’t a corporate “exit”. The whole announcement is extremely vague on the details with the only names given are two people.
Best I’ve got for you is this
Post in thread ‘Nexus Mods site has been sold’ www.resetera.com/threads/…/page-2#post-141554013
Thanks! That’s damn good for “best effort”! A convincing lead on what company it may be.
Personally, I still don’t think it’s time for immediate red alert, but I’ll have to keep an eye on things. Hopefully we’ll see some competitors like GameBanana step up to the challenge.
It’s was a lateral move from one person inside Nexus to another moderator. It wasn’t sold to some faceless corporation
Edit: fuck me I was was wrong:
reddit.com/…/nexus_mods_was_acquired_by_chosen_a_…
That’s a good chunk of money for some internal moderator to have on hand. (Not that it was an all cash deal.)
Yep I was wrong. I edited
Thank you for editing with corrected information when wrong!
I’ve seen too many services go through enshittification, which is why I’ve always made backups of the mods I installed.
That said, that obviously scales poorly if you download a lot of mods or really massive mods.
They’ll probably implement a daily/hourly download limit like MEGA does. So, for example, you can download 1000000000 small mods of some kbs, but the limit is 5 GB, so the mod bundle for big games is virtually limited to premium users.
They’ll probably try to change the lifetime subscription(the biggest sin in capitalism, how do you make infinite money without doing nothing if people can buy subscription once?), making it useless compared to the premium premium subscription.
Paid mods I think are unlikely, why bother to make a change so unpopular? Milk this shit for a decade and press this button only when shit hits the fan.
Is a enshification process not so painful so the vast majority will not bother to look for alternatives.
In other words: We’re doomed.
Unfortunately, I think this will be likely because Nexus has almost entirely cornered the market on mods. It is the place people get their mods from if not the Steam Workshop.
People would have to actually abandon the convenience and go back to scrolling a bunch of games specific forums for their mods. I don’t see that happening unfortunately and I’m pretty sure the executives at the new company know this. It’s a common marketing tactic to exploit the sunk cost fallacy.
Nah there’s some games that still only have stuff on moddb, thunderstore is the main place for v rising and a few other popular titles, and for Minecraft there’s curseforge and modrinth, and GOG is adding mods now too. The community is more fragmented than you’d think
People make mods to be played surely, why bother using a platform if no one can play your mod from it.
? Same reason people use shit platforms? I can’t barely watch Twitch with 3 ads in a row every 30min and they still are the biggest streaming platform even when is shitty to the users and streamers. It’s a community based platform unless the community move to other place they still be big because people is there.
I was going to ask if twitch was still relevant but then realised I genuinely don’t give a shit.
Would it be possible to build a fediverse modding platform? What would that look like?
I guess you still have the issue of someone needing to pay for the huge number of downloads, most of which are going to come from users who make no other contributions to the site. Maybe you could combine a fedi site with torrents or something?
Can things be fedirated and monetized so long as the monetization is put into maintenance & upkeep?
Nothing stopping you trying!
Yeah this is a perfect use case for torrents, could go a step further and keep track of a downloader’s ratio to stop people leaching.
The Internet Archive. No need to reinvent the wheel. Have a discussion with them - set up a new project. Boom - everyone’s mods hosted in perpetuity by a free digital library.
What would you federate? Would you federate posts of each mod with a link back to the home instance. Would you federate the entire modfile.
I’m not sure activity pub is the right fit here. We would lose so many mods and it would make it much harder to find mods.
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Good luck hosting the terabytes of data that mods have.
Let me introduce you to torrenting and community distribution of data.
It could be implemented this way so that no one individual would need to fully shoulder the burden of hosting everything.
Since mods are almost exclusively unable to be copyrighted nowadays, there is a very good chance the Internet Archive would be more than happy to host the mod data - as they have with many community projects.
Federation would allow you to only host mods not hosted at other servers, with some level of redundancy.
Also, it could use a modding app with BitTorrent-like functionality, so that downloaders could share their copies as well.
So…old mods or mods for uninteresting and obscure games would eventually die because of zero seeders.
I know there’s no easy answer for this question but this would happen. Just try looking on the p2P scene for an unpopular or extremely niche tv show. There’s usually zero or sometimes in a rare occasion less than 3 seeders
I wonder if this could be solved on protocol level, i.e. automatically preserve objects with least redundancy, as known to the server.
Like if federated servers hold 50 copies of a file, it’s likely not worthy of saving, but if there is only 1 or 2, it must be stored.
Well, there’s still ModDB? (I don’t use ModDB so I dunno if it’s controversial or not)
Idk if it’s controversial, but I’ve always hated the layout of that site. It seemingly has not changed in decades, either, looking at it now.
I remember getting my Morrowind mods off there. Peanut Gallery edition for me!
Could have been worse. My first initial on reading the title was that some enshitification factory like Fandom. com or Microsoft had bought it
edit: wait nevermind. Chosen apparently is a literal enshitification company
They didn’t say anything about a sale…?
So are they going to stop banning mods? Also we need more modding sites.
There are plenty, they just aren’t as big or as well designed because they are just small forums, and most are usually game specific.
Nexus was unique in that it was a hub for the modding community, made specifically because people didn’t want to have to browse hundreds of different forums to get their mods that may or may not be compatible with each other. It was a nice convenience while it lasted.
reddit.com/…/nexus_mods_was_acquired_by_chosen_a_…
F U C K
Q&A here: www.nexusmods.com/news/15301
Can’t even view r*ddit links anymore because they hate VPNs…
www.resetera.com/threads/…/page-2#post-141554013
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That cheat sheet is weirdly coherent. Human, almost. Weird.
Really? I onyl use VPN for reddit and don’t have an issue. But then again there is a lot of VPN’s out there, they would have to find each endpoint to block.
Ouch. Even selling it to Fandom would have been better than this.
Welp, abandon ship.
Yeah that’s about what I expected. Fucking hell.
Ooof. We need a new place now.
A new website will suffer the same fate eventually. The best solution I’ve seen is CKAN for kerbal space program mods. Each mod just hosts its own releases for free on github or wherever they like, and the whole mod index is just another github repo.
github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN?tab=readme-ov-file#whats…
The problem with that it’s not “wherever they like”, it is github 99% of the time. It is easier to fix when github enshitifies completely, but it will still require fixing
If it works with any git platform, you have several alternatives + self hosting.
The chokepoint is the index, but if the mod repo is up and you have the url by some other way, it should work
It does but it does so far as someone updates indices. It’s easier with git, but someone still needs to do all of it.
In the case of KSP, mod authors themselves submit Pull Requests to update the index when they release a new mod or a new version of it.
To add to the conversation, one of the two new owners has replied to some questions: www.nexusmods.com/news/15301?comment_id=155643499
Welp. Almost all of the conversations I’ve read about this change have devolved into “hopefully the new owners don’t enforce their political views.”
They always say shit like “if you don’t like a mod, don’t use it,” but they can’t wrap their heads around the idea that if they can’t tolerate the (ex-)site owner exercising his own moral beliefs, they can find a different platform.
Fun.
Pretty much all platforms do this. It’s not a bad thing to want a big and established uncensored platform
Nobody should be obliged to host bigotry. That’s not “censorship” in a way that matters.
Oh yea of course they’re not, and I would say bigotry was not my aim with my comment. The company can do whatever the fuck they want and it’s probably better this way.
I do get that some people might want extreme free speech where nothing gets censored. It allows for other non conventional ideas to spread. For better, and for worse. Yea nowadays it’s often for worse but hey, there’s still a chance. All of this is really subjective.
I just don’t believe that a mod that changes Voice 1 and Voice 2 to Women voice and Men voice is bigotry. Removing pride flags in a game is… well it says a lot of the person, but it doesn’t harm anyone directly and it’s something you have to actively add to your game if you want it. There could be criticism of pride which can be valid as well but that’s beyond my point.
Having this kind of content hidden and with trigger warnings is still more or less doable depending on the content, and can allow for more expression than classical rules, and not only bad expression.
Shitty mods like Crack Life for half-life are super offensive but funny as hell if you take it with a grain of salt. Knowing that could be banned sucks.
But if their argument is that you can simply ignore mods you disagree with, then those individuals should stop brigading against and whining about, say, a mod that enables queer relationships. As their own arguments imply, they can simply ignore those mods.
They should really pick a side instead of cherrypicking what’s convenient for them.
I would personally be for that
The offensive mods should be hidden by default or similar, with a trigger warning on the mod asking to move on if you don’t agree instead of crying in comments. Same for LGBT… stuff, but we can show by default because it’s not offensive, but have a way to hide it so that those that hate social progress won’t cry as well
And there you go. A platform for everyone. You won’t agree with everyone, but you can make the experience tailored to what you want or don’t want to see
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I’m sure all they’re concerned about is censoring and it has nothing to do with anything else.
Spicy point of view that I don’t agree with, but you’re straw manning here.
I’m concerned about it but not for bad reasons. What stats do we have on the different reasons?
Sorting people with “I’m sure they’re all bigots” is a great way to avoid any debate, but very manipulative
No. What’s very manipulative and a great way to avoid any debate is excusing bigotry under the guise of “not ALL of them”. And yes, you’re a bigot.
Edit: Here’s my evidence of you being a bigot before you try to sealion your way out of this.
Wow massive bigotry right there. I should be banned for this, really.
You didn’t find anything better, really? Laughable
80lv (3D industry news media) reports some digging on the company bought Nexus Mod. 80.lv/…/exclusive-nexus-mods-was-apparently-bough…
Not exaxtly noteworthy info there though, it’s just some no name, 6 month old, likely VC-funded company with zero transparency.
Friendly reminder this is the average “stop banning mods” commenter.
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