Sony Confirmed To Be Behind HD2 Delisting Of 180 Countries, Not Valve
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from Kroxx@lemm.ee to games@lemmy.world on 11 May 2024 13:46
https://lemm.ee/post/31661954
from Kroxx@lemm.ee to games@lemmy.world on 11 May 2024 13:46
https://lemm.ee/post/31661954
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There was no confusion around who delisted it
There was a lot of speculation and no confirmation, this is confirmation
There’s been confirmation for 7 days.
This is steamdb change list for HD2. This is a developer update.
The “speculation” was just clickbait. There are multiple articles confirming it over the last week.
The steamdb change doesn’t list the reason why, doesn’t confirm if it was a push on Sony’s or Valve’s end just that a change occurred
Steam doesn’t push changelists from developer accounts, and don’t push it themselves without making a major announcement. This is why all the reporting on this has been clear AH/Sony delisted it. There are countless articles confirming this days ago.
Article from 2 days ago
So this article states " Sony delisted it" with no references to official announcements. I personally have been waiting on something directly from steam or Sony and to me the steam response satisfies this enough.
That’s why I posted this I’ve seen all these articles state this with no references to any word from steam or sony. This is the first crumb of info I’ve seen direct from the source.
So there was no speculation, you just hoped these articles straight up lied.
Sure man, this post confirms what you are saying so I’m honestly not sure what you are after. If anything it’s squashing disinformation that bothers you. Regardless I’m not going to entertain your replies further.
Wtf?
According to new info, it did.
www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/…/ar-BB1mhic0?ocid=…
Do NOT trust journalists using hazy sources like job postings, replies from support, or patent claims as proof of anything. There’s plenty of places looking to generate headlines and clicks.
Why would Valve delist a game? Can you elaborate on what kind of speculation was made?
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The idea was that the weekend of the review bombing AH and Sony weren’t communicating a lot/ didn’t have a plan for countries where the game was already sold but could no longer be played.
So it was speculated that Valve might have pulled sales because they wanted to protect themselves from any legal repercussions, while all the dust settled. At the very least it would look like they tried to do something if it ever went to court.
It made sense to me but I live in the US. If you break into someones house here and hurt yourself, the homeowner is liable legally even though the criminal was breaking and entering into the homeowners home. The country is so sue happy that many companies are very proactive on legal matters.
Any articles for this speculation or uncertainty? Because that’s also something Valve would be quick to shut down and point to Sony, for legal reasons.
Or is this all reddit threads from people who don’t understand how steam works?
Nope that’s why I used the phrases “the idea was” and “speculated”
No, YOU’RE the one claiming speculation. The null statement is “Without a PR statement, we don’t know who delisted the game”. The speculation was “We believe Sony delisted it.” It just means he’s not satisfied by any evidence in place. You don’t demand sources to make someone disprove a speculative.
We knew who delisted the game, because steam doesn’t just do that.
I had thought Valve might have been pre-emptive owing to the refund requests tbh.
Most people blamed valve
I love the petty envy Sony displays here. “Fuck! Microsoft is getting all the bad press attention! Quick! Do something!”
You would think that when a company like Microsoft is catching so much shit, a company like sony would think it's a good move to do something good to look even better. But somehow they see it as a challange to be even worse somehow
I think their though process is more along the line of:
More like “Microsoft is fucking up. Quick, do something that is shitty but isn’t as bad as closing studios. Account registration requirements? Perfect! Fuck those poors in unsupported countries.”
That’s because they already did, Jim Ryan closed japan studio years ago.
No matter how poorly thought Sony’s international release plan is for PC, that’s far easier to assume brief incompetence than malice around. Firing people who made a GOTY is a whole different level of evil.
They did it a second time, so what is it now? Dependable incompetence?
What did they do twice?
There’s been one debacle based around PSN, as a service, only being available in certain countries, and Helldivers initially launching in others to simplify their launch.
As of yet, I could believe there are Sony execs that didn’t even realize such a gap existed for their PC releases, and are still deciding what they can legally do. (Premiering their service in new territories isn’t simple, and a lot of their PC investment, plus their multiplayer workings, might be based around the account expectations)
Does this mean that Sony will try to push the account requirement again on HD2, now that countries without PSN access are delisted?
They delisted them before they announced that they wouldn’t require accounts after all.
So then why not relist them and sell your game on a bigger market? The answer is probably because they will try again.
Perhaps. Or perhaps they’re a giant behemoth where 1 hand doesn’t know what the other is doing, and the person with the authority for this hasn’t bothered.
I don’t buy that… I would have when this just started… just a stupid decision made by an MBA that only thinks of his MAU and DAU (Monthly /Daily Active Users) metrics for the playstation network.
But once shit hit the fan, some big shot corpo started making central decisions from the comfort of his volcano base while petting his white cat.
I think the answer is because they don’t believe they need that market, they were obviously okay with losing that market share in the first place due to the fact that they put the requirement in there. As their announcements have said, requiring a PSN account is something that gives them more control over abuse (and ofc data) and allowing more players that are in countries where they are not currently allowed to have those accounts are counterproductive to what they are currently driving for
I’m not surprised they didn’t reverse the region locks they believe it’s something for the best and that’s not something that the consumer is going to be able to change, regardless of the reviews or protest, worst case scenario for them is they just go back to being fully console exclusive if the PR pressure gets too bad
I’m not sure what the future holds in regards to whether they will try to pursue this again or not, I certainly hope they won’t. This information doesn’t change anything that is going on right now.
Here is the reason I posted it, I think it will help: There were people online saying that Valve may be the ones who delisted HD2 to protect themselves legally, instead of sony being the one’s who delisted it. This is primary source evidence that it was in fact Sony who delisted it, not Valve.
We can try to draw conclusions from it and I think it is very strange that Sony hasn’t re-enabled purchasing in these countries now that the PSN requirement has dropped, companies typically try to sell products to as wide of an audience as possible.
I know that doesn’t directly answer your question but unfortunately I think only time will tell.
Up until this point I personally haven’t seen Valve or Steam make direct comments as to who exactly made this choice. I may have just missed it but I always look for something directly from the company. I also don’t have knowledge on how steam pushes changes, I think if you have intimate knowledge on that it was obvious? This is also just pulled from a post on Reddit, so it could also be 100% bullshit. To me though this was the first thing I saw that allowed me to start forming an opinion to your above question, without giving Sony the benefit of the doubt. I hate to give that to Sony because I hate what Sony did, but for arguments sake I personally don’t ignore things like that.
These are my reasons for sharing.
Literally never a question.
I read a bunch of threads on this and there were a lot of questions about this… so yes, it was a question to many people.
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No no no…
Support techs do not have access to insider industry information. They deal with dozens of region-blocked game support issues a day, and in 95% of cases that block was placed by the publisher. The tech is likely just using that term out of assumption and familiarity.
I’m not saying it’s impossible that Sony are the culprit, but a random support reply to an individual is not how we’d find out. It’s happened before that a Valve official puts out a correction to something support says.
EDIT: Seems like I was right.
Honestly sounds like Sony need to just add those places to their list of supported countries.
A lot of them are just piddling little islands. It’s not like they need to open up a regional office on the fucking Isle of Man.
Sony are a lot bigger than Valve. This is very easily achievable.
The funniest shit is Ghost of Tsushima on steam not being able to be sold in japan, California really ruined PS.
Sony is just trying to follow Nintendo’s example of generally shitty behavior.