China announced new laws to limit microtransactions, affecting major corporations like Tencent.
(gamerant.com)
from cyd@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world on 24 Dec 2023 07:32
https://lemmy.world/post/9921066
from cyd@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world on 24 Dec 2023 07:32
https://lemmy.world/post/9921066
These laws will ban rewards for spending money within a game for the first time, ban rewards for buying consecutive microtransactions, and ban rewards for daily log-ins.
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Very rare China W.
Seriously seeing this come from China is
Mildly confusing, very unexpected but very much a cool move.
Yeah im sad China is so far ahead of curbing predative monetization than my own country is, now.
But think about the CEO’s freedom of abusing gambling addicts outside of a safe environment with virtually no regulation and that can be used by kids and teens!
I actually wouldn’t have anything against gacha games if they all were marked as Adult-only, even the most dumbass parents would think twice about buying EA FC if it had the AO rating.
And not only AO, if it included the same required gambling-warnings other gambling system have to show every time they so much as mention their name.
Probably because CCP wants other countries’ citizens to be addicted to games but not their own.
How else would they have 9-9-6 model if Chinese youth started going down the path of Japanese hikikomoris?
China has always been against gaming it’s the money they like.
If it was only money they wanted they would not do this. The limitations they are imposing will cut revenue to their biggest Game companies. I mean, the laws are not in effect and there was already a big crash on Netease and Tencent stock prices.
I think the CCP are just trying to do what they think is best for the welfare of their people.
To add onto what the others have said, the CCP isn’t shy about enforcing restrictions on digital media domestically. For instance, TikTok in China (Douyin) is quite different from the international version with strictly-enforced time limits, content restrictions, etc.
China doing a better job regulating corporations than the west is nothing new.
Even this current one happened while Tencent was barely recovering from another regulation set last year. Kicking megacorps while they’re down lol as they should.
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Very common W
It’s so destructive that even China doesn’t like it
Even Big China man no happy with your business Mr Wei-song, what should we do?
“Tell him to fuck himself”
They probably love that it’s hurting competing nations, though.
Things like this and the screen time laws are why I foresee China as a huge threat in the future. Every other country will be mindless zombies staring at their screens and stupid. Easy to take control of.
Tencent is a Chinese company
Yes and the new rules apply to the Chinese domestic market. Tencent is free to do harm western teens.
Well they can hardly pass laws controlling other jurisdictions
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They can’t control their foriegn offices
They can, just the same as EU laws bind EU companies and nationals abroad.
What makes you think I ever claimed otherwise. In fact I find your replies to me rather confusing.
God, I hope they do that here. Would clear the appstores and other stores of 90% of shovelware overnight.
There’s so much addiction and gambling engineered into micro transactions, it’s crazy. I’m glad China is regulating it.
I would've expected to see something like thus out of the EU rather than China, but at least somebody's making the first move against the predatory monetisation of apps
If only those “think of the children” politicians would do this instead of attempting to ban encryption.
You know you look really bad when the CCP shows you up!
There’s no money in it
If China’s plan is successful, other countries will follow suit.
PS: RIP my free intertwined fates in Gaming (Jiaming) Impact.
Hi Tim
What’s predatory about this? This seems like the least forced purchase in the world – absolutely nobody needs the things they’re selling. They are like a definition of a luxury item.
Predatory as in they literally employ psychologists to help design them to be as addictive as they can be, then they market it towards kids or at the very least don’t really do anything to prevent kids from gambling in them (yeah it’s also partially a parenting issue but can’t really expect all parents to be tech savvy enough to understand all everything about gaming).
Then there’s the other sucky, but just not sucky enough for it to be an illegal side of things: games that these mechanics suck ass and we are getting less and less objectively good games because more and more games seek to make some quick buck by making their games casinos of sorts.
It’s only as luxurious as being addicted to cocaine in hopes that the next line will hit like the first one, or in game terms, hoping that the next loot box gets you the skin/character/whatever you wanted and releases that quick dopamine rush. Rinse and repeat.
I think the comparison to cocaine is apt. Therefore I find it increasingly odd how parents purchase their children cocaine-delivery mechanisms, and how society deems all this completely legal.
The Chinese government has started it‘s witch hunt against video games years ago and we have yet to see any of their draconic laws being enforced. It looks like they made them just so they can cherry pick and suppress whoever disagrees with them one way or another. This will be no exception. Gambling, prostitution and porn are all illegal in mainland China but it has always been a huge and open business in every part of the country.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Assuming it’s a clock that’s capable of being right twice a day, which isn’t every clock.
EDIT: Bruh this ain’t funny
A clock whizzing backwards at 60 RPM is right 86,400 times a day!
Y’all should temper down the sinophobia and just take a good thing for a good thing
Lol where’s the sinophobia? They didn’t even mention China.
This post is about China, and they obviously mean China when saying “broken clock”. What else would they be talking about??
But I disagree with it being sinophobia; criticism doesn’t equal hate.
Calling china a broken clock is not sinophobia, it’d be sinophobia if it were saying the clock is broken by virtue of being chinese.
Same as if i were to shit on the US because it’s a clown country or because it’s run by white people.
Sinophobia? Bullshit. Being critical of the Chinese government is not being hateful towards its people. Find something better to be offended over.
Triggered much?
Lol, in your imagination.
China engages in this kind of “social democracy” all the time just like countries like Norway. But when Norway does it you don’t see people saying “rare Norway win”. I would call having a different standard for China vs a European country sinophobic.
If you’re a left progressive —as most people here on Lemmy seem to be— you probably agree with most of China’s economic policy.
China does sometimes engage in Chinese nationalism in a way that is worthy of criticism; but pretending they are worse than the U.S. in this regard is detached from reality.
The American ruling class has already decided they want war with China. They’re just trying to find a way to justify it to us. We as progressives shouldn’t make it easy for them to justify a war between 2 nuclear powers. Such a war could very well lead to the end of the human race.
Lmao
Care to elaborate? I assure you genocide and the end of humanity are no laughing matter.
The U.S. is currently supporting a genocide in Palestine/Israel. Before that we spent 2 decades in a war —based on a lie— in which the U.S. killed up to 1 million innocent Iraqis.
We are currently occupying many territories, to whom we deny equal rights/status as states including Guam and Puerto Rico.
Over the last century we constantly supported coups of democratically elected governments mostly in South and Central America. (See the Monroe doctrine).
Not to mention the soft imperialism of the IMF and the world bank.
China deserves criticism for their genocide of the Uyghur Muslims.
There may be further valid criticisms if they invade Taiwan. This could go either way depending on what the Taiwanese people ultimately decide. Right now most Taiwanese want to maintain the status quo. Which is strategic ambiguity.
en.wikipedia.org/…/Opinion_polling_on_Taiwanese_i…
Edit: I might also add the U.S. is currently undermining the Taiwanese people’s desire for strategic ambiguity. Putting its own geopolitical interests ahead of the desires and well-being of the Taiwanese people.
The U.S. record of nationalist imperialism is worse than China’s.
I’m not going to argue on who is worse, sorry, I’m not educated enough to convince someone. But yeah if you pin the middle east genocide to the us (which you should) it’s bad, and I don’t know how it compare to the Uyghur’s genocide.
Just about that, isn’t China doing way more shit on that one ? I know most Taiwanese want the status quo but there are mass campain from China to take Taiwan, and I’ve never heard of the opposite.
We’re the good guys. It’s for the greater good.
This will also make for better and more enjoyable games. I wonder if players will want to spend more times with those games then.
Well done, I hope other countries will follow.
Do you all expect localization is tied to laws for china? I realy don’t think so. Most games are split into global and asia/chinese versions anyway. Why should they remove these mechanics when it isn’t necessary for the market they operate in?
The thought process is that for many games, the majority of their revenue comes from these mechanics and from China. The games themselves will need to change to get revenue flowing. And new games won’t be made with this revenue source in general.
This is similar to how eu regulations can lead to global changes sometimes, China is a big enough market to affect things globally.
Yep, I’m not in the EU but thanks to the GDPR I still see the cookies thing on almost every website I go, sometimes these things have a good ripple effect.
I haven’t had a look at the original text from China, but wondering how much they accounted for. Any of these rules could be easily circumvented if they didn’t account for multiple scenarios.
“We don’t have a reward for spending money for the first time, but everyone does have a digital coupon for $5 off of their first $10 purchase when they make an account.”
“The players don’t get any extras when they buy more of our digital currency, but every gacha pull does make the next 5 pulls a bit cheaper.”
“No, we’re not giving rewards for daily log-ins, but players can buy this bonus that adds a gift-giving NPC to the main town for 30 days, who will trade a small parcel of premium currency for a single gold coin once per day.”
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This is China, their CEO will misteriously disappear if they try something so obvious.
I guess we just shouldn’t make any law about anything since people can go “well akshually” about it. /s
That’s not what I’m saying. I was just hoping this law has teeth, because companies who are greedy for money will always try to circumvent whatever new restrictions are sent their way.
I’m thinking back to earlier policies set by China like the restrictions against showing undead/human remains in video games. World of Warcraft set up all these euphemistic workarounds to circumvent the law while realistically changing as little as possible, basically defeating the purpose of it.
China outlawed loot boxes, but then season passes and gatcha models were implemented in short order to continue exploiting consumers. If the law doesn’t account for all sorts of scenarios that can be abused, it’s just going to be a game of cat and mouse.
Well, it’s China. How the commerce law affect you will depend heavily on who you know in the government and the party. If the new law is heavily pushed by someone important, they probably won’t turn a blind eye for minor technicality. Someone up high probably got mad with their kids getting addicted with microtransactions and want to neuter it. Once that person lost interest or no longer in power, the enforcement will probably become much lenient.
The only one I’m aware of is China’s cultural distaste for showing bones, so Blizzard had to hide the skeletal structure in the Undead player class. In other words, it wasn’t about the undead, it was only about showing bones.
What else did they do?
How do Chinese judges react to transparent attempts to circumvent laws that have the same effect as just breaking the law? I wouldn’t expect them to fall for the “I’m not touching you” defense.
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If there’s a behavior psychologist/researcher involved in the creation of a product, it’s evil, simple as. Those gacha games absolutely use them.
I think you could go two ways with that. The psychologist could be under a mandate to give feedback to ensure your game is not going to be an addiction or they could be under a mandate to make it as addictive as possible. The latter is way more likely but I wouldn’t totally rule out the value add of any psychologist to any game.
Didn’t China also recently introduce a limit of hours adolescents can game?
The world would be a better place without those transactions in my opinion. It might sound extreme but in my view this is the first step towards gambling addiction.
We as humanity are becoming really obsessed with everything digital instead of spending more time physically interacting with our peers. And unfortunately I am no exception.
Part of the problem is that there’s no incentive for game companies to ensure that players are of an appropriate age and are gambling responsibly. It’s a Pandora’s box of capitalism in the same way fossil fuels, cigarettes, and big pharma are. Their customers have a demand for their product which is driven by a physiological/psychological/socioeconomic need, so they aren’t subject to normal market mechanics.
Not recently, but yes.
Also, there’s regulation to disclose the probability in getting rewards from opening “chests”, which is actually gambling in nature.
In 2019, it was limited to 90 minutes on weekdays and not between the hours of 10 pm to 8 am.
In 2021, it was changed to 1 hour per day, only on Fridays, weekends, and public holidays.
The S$20000 ($15000) Genshin Impact buying spree incident in Singapore had indirectly contributed to proposed legislation.
The what?
A lot of games are starting to display warnings to spend wisely when purchasing premium currency.
Which part of china is Singapore in?
China being based as always
“As always” is pretty strong, even in this context.
It’s a bit of a hyperbole of course. But China is generally much better at regulating corporations like this.
That’s what absolute power gets you. Zero checks and balance from the legislative, executive, and judicial system.
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You are allowed to completely disagree with leadership and goverment policies and actions and still agree with reasonable restrictions and laws. Course I haven’t looked into this so it could very well go way too far.
Nope fuck china and their government. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, doesn’t mean you should expect it and support it.
Fuck china and fuck everyone that supports the CCP.
Damn this ‘broken clock’ is strangely good at being right. With their CO2 emmissions plateuing last month and even starting to fall while targeting zero emissions by 2060, them spearheading cleaner energy this month with the first 4th gen nuclear reactor, and boosting trans rights with a court ruling just last week.
And of course the current new regulation in this post happening right now.
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I don’t care for ol Winnie and his Thousand Acre Ego, and hate many things China has done. In far too many ways they are backwards, explicitly destructive, and often refuse to negotiate.
However, and likely due to the overreach of government there, they certainly can and do make decisions I can at least agree with. If it wasn’t for the general conniving and “fuck you, I prefer one-way streets” way of essentially absolute control, I’d argue they were the good guys. Problem is we know better. The world isn’t that simple.
I just wish it was.
We’d be so much further along as a race if we could work together.
Ah, the redditor China Bad^TM^ mindset. Love it
Limiting micro transactions and banning predatory reward schemes in video games is genuinely a good thing. We need this to spread around the world.
Good. These kinds of transactions are exploitative and prey in the weaknesses of people with addictive personalities
It’d be nice to see that come to rocket League. You know, the game where they removed crates because of the gambling, then removed trading to get kids to spend more money in the shop. So much better :/
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Just to add to your profound insight, water is probably wet.
The Chinese government actually does something right for once? My year is saved.
A broken is right sometimss