Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect (www.pcgamer.com)
from inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 15:56
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mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online on 25 Sep 16:32 next collapse

This is called renting… not purchasing for ownership.

Katana314@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 16:45 next collapse

Unfortunately, there are some very celebrated games that commit to this approach. Final Fantasy XIV and WoW keep getting away with it, and there are others.

Of course, they had to work for a long time to earn that pedigree and price tag. This certainly has not.

Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 16:59 next collapse

And other celebrated games, Everquest, are 100% free to play up to the most recent 2 expansions. There is a paid subscription that unlocked slightly more powerful spells, quick alternate ability progression, and…i dont remember… You can pay about $10 for the quick ability progression instantly but the spells are unimportant. You could also just buy the expansions without subscriptions, or you could just wait a year for your next free dosage of content. Hell theres enough content free for a few years of play without needing to buy anything.

TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 21:20 collapse

FF14 is also free to play for the first several expansions to be fair

ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 17:16 collapse

FFXIV has certainly earned it over the years, and in the case of WoW, isn’t it only the most recent expac that costs extra? I think you get all the previous ones, and WoW Classic, for just subscribing.

snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works on 26 Sep 11:49 collapse

Tbh with FFXIV you only have to buy the 2? Most recent expacs and you can play free up to 70/100 and the accompanying story stuff without. It doesn’t do the limited time free trial anymore.

Evotech@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 06:04 collapse

These are games that require constant development though.

mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online on 27 Sep 15:18 collapse

I don’t think that matters. The should’ve made it a one-time purchase, DRM free, no P2W, no macrotransactions. More people are becoming old-school about their gaming needs nowadays, and I for one happened to be in that camp.

_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus on 25 Sep 17:10 next collapse

That’s, uh, a bold play.

7toed@midwest.social on 25 Sep 18:32 collapse

And uh its YOUR fault, so uh don’t buy our game? Wait wait - do buy our game, but you should feel bad

Zarxrax@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 17:44 next collapse

A ship sounds a lot less exciting than a city.

ms_lane@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 09:20 collapse

*Unless it’s a murder-mystery, but then Train > Ship

dom@lemmy.ca on 25 Sep 17:58 next collapse

I would be far more open to mo they subscriptions if I didnt have to pay for the game upfront.

I would probably play wow and pay monthly if i didnt have to pay for the game and all the expansions as well as the subscription.

Just too much money imo for what I would get out of the experience

BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Sep 11:18 collapse

Not saying it’s entirely cool, but wow base game purchase usually includes all expansions except the latest nowadays and that rolls (you get newer ones as more expansions are released) if you had an account historically.

dom@lemmy.ca on 26 Sep 11:32 collapse

Oh that’s good to know. I wasn’t aware of that

Mirshe@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 18:02 next collapse

Just play City of Heroes. It’s still running in private servers, and Homecoming is even doing active development on new powers and questlines.

glimse@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 18:59 next collapse

Not only is it still running on private servers, those private servers have the blessing of the original devs. If I’m remembering correctly, they even provided the admins some dev tools and code

chunes@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 05:02 collapse

Plus, there is just zero chance any new game could possibly come out of the gate with more features and hours of gameplay than CoH. Physically impossible.

Gerudo@lemmy.zip on 25 Sep 18:53 next collapse

I can’t believe the devs sat there, built that abomination, and said, yeah $45 and $15 a month sounds about right…

RebekahWSD@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 19:22 next collapse

…you know what, I think I’ll go play City of Heroes again.

ProfThadBach@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 10:05 collapse

I play on Homecoming. I played the original and it is the only MMO at the time I had high level characters. It was just a blast. I recreated my main in Homecoming. Dark masiama/ psych healer. I was never without a group. I just hovered behind the tank and kept them toped up and buffed. I also played Champions and even have a lifetime membership but it does not match City of Heroes. The only thing I would like is for Homecoming to add some sort of group voice chat.

RebekahWSD@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 10:19 collapse

I like no voice chat, but I have had absolutely horrible times with voice chats.

My main character was a scrapper martial artist. I just mostly remember I managed to make her covered with clothes from head to toe and shrouded in shadows. “What was that blur of smoke?” one might ask. “It’s me! Here to punch!” nyoom nyoom was my living. And punching.

SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works on 26 Sep 11:43 next collapse

Ok but when we gonna get a new Ultima Online?

zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Sep 18:20 collapse

For real, now THAT would be something I’d get behind.

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 26 Sep 19:30 next collapse

Y’all ain’t heard of Shroud of the Avatar? It’s new UO. Except not good. :(

rigatti@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 00:19 next collapse

I was really excited for that game and donated to the Kickstarter. Played it for a bit in one of the early releases, and it seemed kind of promising despite being very broken at the time. Booted it up a few years later and it was somehow way worse of an experience. What a huge mess of a game.

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 27 Sep 00:25 collapse

I actually won a raffle they had because I signed up to their newsletter as soon as I heard about the game, so I have a bunch of merch for a thing I don’t even like lol

SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works on 27 Sep 15:01 collapse

Your last three words describe my experience trying Shroud entirely, sadly… it just ain’t the same

SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 27 Sep 05:21 collapse

Especially if someone gets to assassinate Lord British again.

zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Sep 18:19 next collapse

CoH was a flawed, but awesome MMO in many ways. I’d love to see it done right, but I think they are out of their mind if this think this will succeed.

Wilco@lemmy.zip on 26 Sep 18:57 collapse

Go play CoH … the EMU is a perfect retail copy of the game.

zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Sep 19:27 collapse

Well, as I said, it was flawed. The XP grind near the end got roooough, especially since that was still in the era of losing XP when you died. That was especially frustrating when they had lag issues that killed you and then you lost a week of progress leveling up. The game was still a lot of fun though.

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 26 Sep 19:29 next collapse

MMO with a subscription?

Bitch, you ain’t WoW. And I won’t even pay a subscription for WoW.

dil@lemmy.zip on 26 Sep 20:20 next collapse

I wihshlisted assuming itd be free or cheap, looks bad lol, they prob saw the high amount of wishlists and got greedy not realizing most ppl thought it was some low effort cheap game

FenrirIII@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 22:31 next collapse

I wish the Marvel MMO was available on private servers. Played that shit for thousands of hours before it just disappeared

FinishingDutch@lemmy.world on 27 Sep 15:44 collapse

Did their parents drop them on their heads as kids? Because there has to be something seriously wrong with them if they think that’s the way to go.

A 60 dollar buy is a VERY hard sell. And a 15 dollar subscription is a completely no-go. Or rather, ANY subscription.

Whoever came up with that is seriously detached from any form of reality.