Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.
Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy
thermal_shock@lemmy.world
on 16 May 00:11
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Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.
Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world
on 16 May 00:38
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If only buying games actually supported devs anymore. Devs seem to get fired for any reason nowadays.
Bad game? Fired. Good game? Also fired. Popular game that people loved? Believe it or not, also fired. Develop a game only for the company to change direction and the game gets cancelled? Absolutely fired.
You’d think these publishers would value talent as much as their intellectual property but they seem to not care anymore for either.
Just saying, indie devs just dont have the money and time to use denuvo
Sebastrion@leminal.space
on 16 May 01:47
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I’m sure most pirates don’t sit here and want a crack for a 10-20€ Indie Game.
But a 80€ Game (sometimes even with additional microtransaktions like skins etc.)
Yeah I see that.
And you don’t need to wait for indie games, though you might need to be patient about early access quality. But, as long as the dev(s) stick with it, even that can be satisfying to see the game improve from a janky boilerplate mess to wherever it is really headed.
I get where you’re coming from and I agree the job security for Devs and the financing of games is fucked.
It’s still disingenuous to claim that pirating the game has the same impact as buying.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world
on 16 May 01:40
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I’m not either, I get them on sale later, just pointing out why would they screw over a paying customer with DRM bullshit.
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 May 10:14
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Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass.
I’m kinda stuck.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world
on 16 May 11:42
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What VPN and where are you located?
Couple things you can do, try changing your router DNS to quad9 or open DNS, make sure you’re not using Comcast default DNS servers.
Try a new VPN provider, I’ve been using Torguard for almost a decade, zero issues, there are discount codes where you can get it for $29/year.
I have a dedicated desktop for seeding, I upload about 1TB per day on soulseek/nicotine+ and torrents.
Thank you, you’re a god among men. I use a pihole for DNS, but I will give Torguard a try because I’ve been thinking of getting rid of private internet access since they went all corporate.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world
on 16 May 15:03
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Pihole is fine, just make sure it’s not using the Comcast DNS settings. I have a pihole instance also that I use to block ads.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca
on 16 May 00:26
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brbposting@sh.itjust.works
on 17 May 04:56
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Whoever came up with that deserves credit. Entirely lovely and harmless “superstition” as far as I can tell. No one is hoping for rain so they won’t be disappointed, but everyone has that line (“lucky it’s raining on your wedding day“ or whatever) ready just in case.
I wonder if there are other white lie kinda pro-social quips like that
This is why native support still matters. Anything not supported can pull the rug out from under you at any time.
ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
on 16 May 01:24
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Except for when glibc updates and breaks games with native support (but not the ones running through a compatibility layer). Although that definitely happens way less than devs purposefully pushing changes that break on Linux.
Linux has never been good at running old binaries. It’s always assumed that you are running software compiled for the current version if your distribution, and programs that are not available can be compiled from source (because you obviously use only open source software). For everything else you need to use compatibility layers that provide necessary environment.
I’m not following your argument. You’re perfectly capable of having the rug pulled out from under you with a native Linux build too.
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee
on 16 May 00:21
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Looks like sailing is back on the menu, boys!
ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 May 00:47
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It’s not, newest Doom has Denuvo
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee
on 16 May 00:49
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We’ll get it, comrade.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 16 May 02:25
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Sailing is back on the menu once Empress decides, I guess? Is Empress still the only one cracking Denuvo, or has the Denuvo Cracking scene changed much in the last 5-10 years? I don’t really keep up with it much.
Empress is barely active anymore, if at all. Look at the last few dozen DRM-enabled games released in the last few years and I don’t think a single one was cracked. There was Dragon’s Dogma 2, but it turned out that was just a leaked pre-launch dev build and its performance was awful (because the game has shit performance that was even worse at launch than it is now).
Why? Cause irs new game marketed?
Theres shit ton of games to play that are better. Even of the same genre. And you could pick up like 10 of them for the price of dark ages. And play them until dark ages is cheap.
The fuck are you talking about? It's not about price, I'm on Linux. Did you read the article? I'm going to play Oblivion because I WANT to play Oblivion.
omfg, I wasn't looking for suggestions! I said I would play Oblivion, I played Oblivion. I had a fucking great night. Had pizza for dinner, got a little drunk, finished the shivering isles main quest... 10/10 friday evening, thanks. jfc
It’s because of testing the game on different versions of Proton, which is treated as a hardware change. The fault lies entirely with Denuvo, and with anti-consumer DRM in general.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 16 May 02:26
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Rule 1 of Lemmy: Worship Linux, or be subjected to poor treatment, unfortunately.
catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 04:09
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You seem like a sad and angry person
bassomitron@lemmy.world
on 16 May 04:22
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I’m not a huge Linux stan, but it’s pretty damn close to it. I rarely run into compatibility issues, and when I do, there’s a very high chance a workaround exists. Hell, there’s even times when a game actually runs smoother on Linux.
In regards to the topic at hand, Denuvo’s activation limit fucks over Windows users, too. It just happens far more often due to the compatibility layer (e.g. proton, wine, etc) making it look like it’s a new computer trying to access the Denuvo servers for a game each time you change it when testing (e.g. proton v8, v9, experimental, etc). That being said, you don’t usually need to change the version that often. I usually only need to try 1-3 versions before finding one that works the best, and I think the Denuvo daily limit is like 4-5, but I could be wrong.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world
on 16 May 04:42
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And the windows circlejerk says private, secure, performant OSes that also play most games are trash not worth trying. Hm.
I’m saying calling it a circlejerk to still be on Windows is unnecessarily derisive when the post I was responding to even calls out that Linux alternatives play most games. Most games is not all of my games. I’m not a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch, but if it’s the only way to play a game I want to play, that is what I’ll do.
I despise the term “circlejerk” and was only using it sarcastically. But in any case, I do grow tired of people shitting on linux. The reasons? I have explained a million times.
I mean, either deal with windows and its 1000 flaws or the same with linux. Some of us would just rather deal with flaws that are honest. I’d rather deal with a bug that 100 people around the globe work together to fix in a timely matter than deal with shit-ass “features” that actively ruin my experience because some disgusting executives want to buy more Porsches this summer. While pretending to care about me as a customer.
Cue “I just want to play games”. Well yeah me too sometimes. Now that I have an AMD card, I never have a problem with it. I spent a lot of time testing my games and 86% worked fine. This included a lot of sketchy/old games (Jedi Knight 1 and 2 for example – those barely can work on anything newer than win 98) that I didn’t expect to work actually… If we’re only talking new games, it’s probably like 95%. I don’t play games enough to care about an occasional poorly-written game not working.
To each his own. I wasn’t knocking Linux, just responding to what I interpreted as an insinuation that anyone has a shrine to Bill Gates in their closet just because they still haven’t made the jump.
I get that. I do think some people are pretty closed minded on the topic but you don’t seem to fit that bill. MS is not playing the long game though. Even my brother who has been against the idea of Linux forever is coming around. He’s installed it and playing around with it lately. He might just convert one day…
That’s aligned for the moment because I’m not playing the long game, either. I’d ditch Windows at a moment’s notice if not for a handful of “must-have” games that protondb says still require tweaking. I configure system crap all day at work; I categorically refuse to do any of that in my already sparse game time.
Between updates taking time and breaking shit, drivers constantly demanding updates, auto start programs that slow your machine down and pop up prompts, new “features” in windows asking your time, literal ads in the OS, and I’m sure I could list more examples if I took time, windows hasn’t “just worked” for me in a long time. I was a daily power user of it from about 1997-2014. Which is why I hate it. On Linux, out of that list I experience an update breaking something once or twice a year, and sometimes having to copy paste some config vars on a game. Sometimes (like one in ten).
When I had an Nvidia card it was admittedly different. Not very stable because Nvidia chooses to be assholes. On an AMD card things are solid. Not much configuration when I do game
Gonna be honest, if Dark Ages represents the future of Doom: Doom died with Eternal. I’ve played probably 75% of the game and it’s enough to turn me off of every future title.
Edit: Bizarre fucking takes in this thread. How many of you that liked DA played on controller?
Final edit: liking Dark Ages and disliking Eternal is like preferring lunchables to a NYC slice.
slumberlust@lemmy.world
on 16 May 03:18
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Every single encounter is braindead. There are like 8 true demons. There are 3-4 weapons (the others are worthless), and literally never a reason to use any of them but the impaler and the BFC (which is functionally completely different than the BFG).
I have not used my brain for any of the encounters. I throw my shield to deal with checks notes 80% of the encounter, spamming parry and impaler headshots to simply annihilate every boss or even remotely threatening enemy.
The game is fucking boring.
Edit: this isn’t even discussing the fact that it seems like every encounter is dEfEaT eNeMiEs To BrEaK sHiElD. Very dumbed down sequel to 2016.
I’m replaying 2016 right now and it’s the same. There are a handful of enemies, the minor demons are so weak they might as well all be the same. I never use the pistol or Gauss gun. Most weapons are functionally identical, I only switch when I’m out of ammo. When I run low on health, I do a glory kill. Rinse and repeat.
Eternal has much more variety in its combat, and being more frantic makes it more satisfying to chain kills.
Yeah, I definitely pissed off the geriatrics/children in this thread — Eternal was peak. 2016 was a good start. Dark Ages is a joke.
Actually, I’m seeing that it might just be a good controller shooter. Which, of course, means that it is fundamentally furthest from doom as a concept.
Bad game, went from ‘will buy every ID IP from now on’ to ‘YAAAARRRR’ after 12 chapters. Idk if I’m even going to finish it, I’m probably just gonna go for another Eternal UN run.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 03:25
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Doom died with Ethernal. Dark Ages is just more of that decline.
The idea that anyone likes doom 2016 without liking dark ages despite dark ages being more of a gameplay successor to 2016 - genuinely fucking baffling.
bassomitron@lemmy.world
on 16 May 04:07
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Hard disagree. Doom Eternal was a rhythm game disguised as an FPS and I hated it. It’s crazy to me how widely acclaimed it was even over Doom 2016, which I thought was amazing. I’m glad they shifted back towards a more grounded FPS style that doesn’t force you to juggle your entire weapon arsenal nonstop the entire game.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world
on 16 May 05:40
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I really enjoyed 2016, couldn’t get into Eternal though. I’m definitely going to hold off on this new one until it’s been out longer and goes on sale, unless it gets standing ovations. Then, if I don’t like it I haven’t lost much.
Have someone that’s even just moderately good at Eternal and then watch their keyboard strokes. It’s a combo-centric game, where you’re constantly juggling weapons and jumping to and fro, and eventually it slides into a “flow.” It’s not literally a rhythm game, but it actually kind of is once you hit that flow. I don’t know how to explain it beyond that; but, it’s not a hot take in the least, as even huge fans of it have agreed with the sentiment.
icosahedron@ttrpg.network
on 16 May 12:16
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yeah i love doom eternal and you’re completely right here. i think it’s definitely more noticeable at higher difficulties, but the game absolutely demands a certain rhythm
I played it for just a couple of hours and I understood why you were saying that. It was either dance around like an idiot or make no progress. I didn’t like it and stopped playing it.
Who did you get that from? Doom Eternal is in no way a rhythm game, weapon swapping was no different from 2016 to DE. The only enemy that ‘requires’ it is the marauder and god forbid you need to switch between two weapons.
No, better to strip everything that made Doom good - down to the fucking double jump. Bad joke.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub
on 16 May 09:46
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You’re so wrong it’s almost like the version you played came from another reality.
Guns and ammo all loop back on eachother forcing you to use everything you have to keep shooting. You can’t stick to one gun for more than a few shots lmao. Either you’re larping and you didn’t get past muraurder and you’re just spitting a youtuber take.
First off, it’s a first person shooter. What you’ve said is literally how first person shooters work. Not to mention: if you’re suggesting that I’m larping while trying to suggest you don’t have nigh infinite ammo for every encounter in eternal… idk, I’m gonna laugh at you with my other friends who love doom.
Second, are you suggesting that you like the fact that you only need to use one out of… how many, 16 weapons?
Ewww I don’t like the fact that this game… makes me play it and doesn’t just let me autopilot through everything.
Yes I’m sure that Dark Ages has appeal to kids and old people. I am neither.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub
on 16 May 16:20
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Infinite ammo? Sure! Chainsaw a guy, more ammo!
You wanted to keep shooting? Sorry, there’s no more ammo left for what you’ve unlocked, time to punch the chainsaw clock.
Out of chainsaw? Oh no! Guess you’re stuck with the two guns you hate.
Your comment speaks like it was played below Easy mode. Some of us actually like the demons to hurt us.
This will be a very amusing conversation with my friends. Cope harder, dark ages is shit.
Edit: by the way, it takes 20 seconds to charge one pip of the chainsaw. If you’ve somehow used all of your resources in 20 seconds and the thing isn’t dead; you’re just bad. Not to mention infinitely spawning fodder for ammo.
No, I will make sure everyone understands that the game they subjectively like is objectively bad. I refuse to back down when people are making very clearly outlandish statements.
Edit: prove that it’s a rhythm game without using sequential button presses as a metric.
Is Dark Ages really more grounded? What the hell does that mean here?
I had issues with Eternal demanding I use the weapons the way the devs intended, but when I saw parrying was a central part in Dark Ages, it was an easy decision to wait. Icon of Sin was peak because it was chaos management. I managed the Marauders, but just couldn’t be assed to beat the Dark Lord.
Good thing the indie scene is making their own Doom likes.
I believe it depends on the player’s personal playstyle. I’ve played Doom 3, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal. Doom 3 is for fans of horror-focused FPS games, Doom 2016 offers action at a normal pace, and Doom Eternal feels like a high-speed dance.
I’ll try Dark Ages next year, but I think if they had added even more mechanics than the Eternal had, the game might be more like an RPG than an FPS.
BOTW was a good open world game, though - Doom 3 was a cheap attempt at plastering a survival horror skin onto the Doom IP. The level design was bad, the jump scares were cheap - the only thing it had going for it was that it was the first 3d doom.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 07:20
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I think they did bring back Doom RPG best phone game ever
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world
on 16 May 03:49
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That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.
Turturtley@aussie.zone
on 16 May 05:02
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Owned by zenimax, owned by microsoft. Same owners of activision blizzard. Shafted Mick Gordon. So this is kinda 100% as expected.
I think the point is that they often eventually remove Denuvo and it becomes a moot point.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 12:36
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Yeah, they pay fees to keep Denuvo in the game. So they only usually use it for the first 6-12 months, (long enough to capture the initial surge of launch sales), and then remove it to stop paying the fees.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 16 May 16:13
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My point is that companies that use it are anti-consumer scum and should be actively boycotted.
Companies like Sega and Ubisoft never remove it, and in the case of Ghostwire Tokyo, Bethesda added it nearly a year after release, pulling a bait-and-switch on PC gamers that would never have it bought it otherwise.
These companies demonstrate that will steal your purchase from you whenever they feel like it. They do not deserve anyone’s money, not even 6-12 months later at 90% off.
If a company uses Denuvo, don’t give them money. Because that’s what you’re doing. You aren’t buying anything, you are just giving them money.
Doom 2 was the peak. 2016 was a strong reimagining of Doom 3, but it was already trying to be something Doom wasn’t.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 14:55
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I disagree. Doom 3 was trying to be constant darkness and horror. Never forget the lack of duct tape. Doom 2016 was a strong sequel to 2 with its wide open spaces and fast-paced action.
I don’t want to feel like I’m being hunted by scary monsters. I want to be the monster.
While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they’ll remove it in a few years, I’m a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world
on 16 May 15:55
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Same, I’m happy to wait for Denuvo to be removed, for the game patches to come out, and Nvidia to fucking fix their god damn drivers. Plus side, I’ll pay a reasonable price for the game when I buy it.
I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I’m playing this.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 14:52
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Thanks to this news, there will be a version without Denuvo quite quickly. 🏴☠️
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 May 10:12
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Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game
Seems like it should be an easy patch, right? Assuming they have any desire to (I think it “runs” on Steam Deck, so that might be enough incentive)
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 22:19
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Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now
Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)
None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t
Denuvo’s whole schtick is that your unique system environment gets used as a part of the “unlocking key” of sorts, so it would definitely not be simple. For example windows users face the same issue with denuvo whenever windows updates, although obviously that doesn’t happen often enough to be an actual issue.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world
on 16 May 10:34
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you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar
Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 May 11:17
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Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.
It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world
on 16 May 12:11
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What’s the game?
Piemanding@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 12:35
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Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.
halowpeano@lemmy.world
on 16 May 14:29
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Probably Alien Dawn, it’s basically a 3D Rimworld clone
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 May 15:47
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Yup, Stranded: Alien Dawn.
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world
on 16 May 16:30
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Same here, but “3D Rimworld” piqued my interest.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world
on 16 May 13:44
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+1 tell us the title
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 May 15:47
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It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.
Yes, let’s all accept this reality and stop being useful idiots.
kameecoding@lemmy.world
on 16 May 11:23
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All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.
Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.
Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 11:28
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Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft and there games because theyre supporting it but a lot of companies could have stakes in gaming companies and support the genocide its a team effort from NATO to support Israels genocide.
Well, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, as they say. Literally anything you buy, there could be a shareholder who is evil. But y’gotta vote with your wallet, and so it makes a bigger impact to boycott companies that are directly involved, rather than ambiguous or strenuous connections.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 22:15
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Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft
The thread is about a Microsoft product, so of course they’re going to discuss Microsoft specifically
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
on 16 May 17:51
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This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.
Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I’d imagine there’s also a lot of overlap there.
I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.
I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.
Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.
That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
You have to enable HDR in the Windows 10 settings, do Win+I, type “HD Color”, and then set your AMD display drivers to “Color Correction” in Display to adjust for the bad Win10 HDR implementation.
My recommendation is:
Temperature: 10000
Brightness: -10
Hue: 0 (default)
Contrast: 120
Saturation: 165
Then enable HDR in Dark Ages, followed by FSR and Frame Gen, if you want.
Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, most of Id’s games had official native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.
Newsteinleo@infosec.pub
on 16 May 21:34
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This is what happens when bean counters make the decisions. Linux is only 4% of market share so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 22:14
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so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
What’s so fucking annoying about these DRM issues is that basically all of the AntiCheat and DRM we have WORK ON LINUX IF YOU ENABLE ONE FUCKING SETTING
Easy AntiCheat for example is quite literally a checkbox at some point of compiling or whatever, I’ve seen someone do it!
Newsteinleo@infosec.pub
on 17 May 02:14
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It never is just a checkbox though. You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros. For a fraction of users. If Linux crowd wants to be taken seriously, they should settle on a single distro for everything.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 May 17:19
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You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros
It wouldn’t astonish me if this were a semi-deliberate act by microsoft. While they’re trying very hard to expand to every platform, non-windows pcs seem to be the exception. Linux and OSX have the game gamepass support as your phone.
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing IdBethesda Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.
One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
on 16 May 21:44
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Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.
I finished DOOM (2016) in 8.8 hours. Granted I didn’t stop for collectables and was on normal mode. I tried Eternal but got bored after 2 hours so that’s what I’m basing it off.
My steam friends currently have about 17 hours (they bought it early) but they like collecting stuff and getting 100% achievements. I’m not sure how long the story is without 100%ing it but it shouldn’t be too different from the other games.
Why do you even play games if you rush them? It’s like the guy a few years ago asking on Reddit if he should go past no return in Cyberpunk 2077 at level 18. The fuck, mate? You missed the whole game!
I did all the fixer missions in Cyberpunk and honestly wish I hadn’t bothered.
It destroyed the pacing completely, and did nothing but waste my time. Like sure, they’re not automatically generated or anything, but they don’t add anything to the game experience.
The same goes for pretty much every open world game that isn’t designed around actual exploration. If your map is a sea of icons, your open world game isn’t that.
Well, it would really just be a 2 - 10 second read, depending upon how fast you read, so…
On the other hand, do you consider time taken imagining the story, as part of the reading time, because I know a book that would have a months long reading time in that case.
Kinokoloko@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 May 14:09
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Not sure why they’re getting downvoted for speaking facts. Nobody is cracking Denuvo anymore. To my understanding, the way Denuvo is installed in a game is similar to how a wad of gum gets in your hair: it’s stuck in various different spots, and takes a lot of work to get out completely. Basically, hackers have little incentive to devote weeks to pry it out of a game, so they’ve pretty much stopped. The only good thing about Denuvo, as far as the piracy scene is concerned, is that devs have to pay yearly for a license, which means inevitably, they will stop, and remove it from the game. But who knows when that will be.
Huh? That’s the very definition of incentive for a “hacker” (“cracker” should be the term). There’s also nothing really new about having protection checks in many places, usually using illegal opcodes or self-modifying code. At least on a 6502. Processors have changed, so have the tools to go with it.
atrielienz@lemmy.world
on 16 May 23:47
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Well the game runs well if you just launch it with only one Proton configuration and keep playing on that. The issue is changing the Proton version is recognized as multiple installations by the DRM and it locks you out after a couple of tries.
This is what I didn’t understand. Thank you for explaining.
andybytes@programming.dev
on 17 May 02:41
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Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.
Just don’t run their shitty silicon burners on your system and get some good stuff.
Support teams that are willing to make builds for the latest Arch release (and tell me too if you find any :P).
I have narrowed down my “to pay” list to GoG + Linux games, only problem being, since they are not open source, we still depend upon them rebuilding the binaries for the latest systems.
Otherwise, we need to then keep an older version of Ubuntu for it. Really wish GoG pushed Debian as a standard for those cases (for old games which the dev might not rebuild), because Ubuntu ages worse than Debian, when out of LTS.
MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 17 May 12:01
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Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.
VagueAnodyneComments@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 17 May 16:25
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Orcs & Elves
dude, sick, i never heard of this one
👍
Etterra@discuss.online
on 17 May 12:35
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Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).
While the CD checks are absolutely annoying, nothing, and I mean nothing, was more inconvenient than having to go to a certain page and a certain line and a certain word in the manual to unlock a program you paid for. Fucking infuriating.
Shuddderr. I remember the first time I saw a game do that, I thought oh what a fun little game I guess it’s to get me to use the manual… like some kind of ARG, but when I realized the real purpose all the joy was sucked out of it.
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You get what you pay for.
You buy denuvo, you get denuvo.
Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.
Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy
Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.
Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably
If only buying games actually supported devs anymore. Devs seem to get fired for any reason nowadays.
Bad game? Fired. Good game? Also fired. Popular game that people loved? Believe it or not, also fired. Develop a game only for the company to change direction and the game gets cancelled? Absolutely fired.
You’d think these publishers would value talent as much as their intellectual property but they seem to not care anymore for either.
Plenty of singleplayer games are from indies, those more or less support the developer.
Any indie devs out there using Denuvo?
Just saying, indie devs just dont have the money and time to use denuvo
I’m sure most pirates don’t sit here and want a crack for a 10-20€ Indie Game. But a 80€ Game (sometimes even with additional microtransaktions like skins etc.) Yeah I see that.
^ This is me.
And you don’t need to wait for indie games, though you might need to be patient about early access quality. But, as long as the dev(s) stick with it, even that can be satisfying to see the game improve from a janky boilerplate mess to wherever it is really headed.
I get where you’re coming from and I agree the job security for Devs and the financing of games is fucked. It’s still disingenuous to claim that pirating the game has the same impact as buying.
I’m not either, I get them on sale later, just pointing out why would they screw over a paying customer with DRM bullshit.
Only the devs who don’t use Denuvo
Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.
What VPN and where are you located?
Couple things you can do, try changing your router DNS to quad9 or open DNS, make sure you’re not using Comcast default DNS servers.
Try a new VPN provider, I’ve been using Torguard for almost a decade, zero issues, there are discount codes where you can get it for $29/year.
I have a dedicated desktop for seeding, I upload about 1TB per day on soulseek/nicotine+ and torrents.
youtu.be/xAo61IaXun8
Thank you, you’re a god among men. I use a pihole for DNS, but I will give Torguard a try because I’ve been thinking of getting rid of private internet access since they went all corporate.
Pihole is fine, just make sure it’s not using the Comcast DNS settings. I have a pihole instance also that I use to block ads.
Buying a game post-launch:
No brainer, imo.
You forgot a bonus point:
Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!
Runs out of copies? Is that a thing?
It’s ironic
Like rain on your wedding day?
Like something about cutlery
Like eating mom’s spaghetti with a spork.
Whoever came up with that deserves credit. Entirely lovely and harmless “superstition” as far as I can tell. No one is hoping for rain so they won’t be disappointed, but everyone has that line (“lucky it’s raining on your wedding day“ or whatever) ready just in case.
I wonder if there are other white lie kinda pro-social quips like that
It’s a free ride, but you already paid?
not for digital games.
Cons:
maybe multiplayer isn’t very populated if you wait too long
???
Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?
Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.
Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!
Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…
They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.
Patient gamers represent! The older I get, the less I care about FOMO. The less I care about FOMO, the happier I am. It's a beautiful cycle.
/me goes back to playing snes games on an emulator
Yeah, there’s so many good games and so little time, I don’t understand how anyone wouldn’t have a big backlog anyway.
cause they only play slop with huge marketing.
A lot of things in life are improved once you excise the FOMO mind cancer.
This is why native support still matters. Anything not supported can pull the rug out from under you at any time.
Except for when glibc updates and breaks games with native support (but not the ones running through a compatibility layer). Although that definitely happens way less than devs purposefully pushing changes that break on Linux.
It looks like that got fixed anyway.
Yeah, games through Proton are a bit like containerized apps, you get everything you need to run them in the Proton package.
Linux has never been good at running old binaries. It’s always assumed that you are running software compiled for the current version if your distribution, and programs that are not available can be compiled from source (because you obviously use only open source software). For everything else you need to use compatibility layers that provide necessary environment.
I’m not following your argument. You’re perfectly capable of having the rug pulled out from under you with a native Linux build too.
Looks like sailing is back on the menu, boys!
It’s not, newest Doom has Denuvo
We’ll get it, comrade.
Sailing is back on the menu once Empress decides, I guess? Is Empress still the only one cracking Denuvo, or has the Denuvo Cracking scene changed much in the last 5-10 years? I don’t really keep up with it much.
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Empress is barely active anymore, if at all. Look at the last few dozen DRM-enabled games released in the last few years and I don’t think a single one was cracked. There was Dragon’s Dogma 2, but it turned out that was just a leaked pre-launch dev build and its performance was awful (because the game has shit performance that was even worse at launch than it is now).
Why pirate when you can look for alternatives
I get paid today and was gonna pick this up tonight... Guess it's back to Oblivion then!
Why? Cause irs new game marketed? Theres shit ton of games to play that are better. Even of the same genre. And you could pick up like 10 of them for the price of dark ages. And play them until dark ages is cheap.
The fuck are you talking about? It's not about price, I'm on Linux. Did you read the article? I'm going to play Oblivion because I WANT to play Oblivion.
Im saying theres tons of non aaa games out there that you can play while you wait for doom the dark ages to be reviewed, fixed and come down in price.
Play Selaco my friend
omfg, I wasn't looking for suggestions! I said I would play Oblivion, I played Oblivion. I had a fucking great night. Had pizza for dinner, got a little drunk, finished the shivering isles main quest... 10/10 friday evening, thanks. jfc
Yeah but if you want an alternative to Doom: TDA, This is a great choice
Well cool, now I know not to pick up the game yet.
Refund and wait for a crack. Fuck Denuvo and fuck Bethesda for using them
It’s not really Bethesda anymore though is it? Either ID software or Microsoft, no?
I completely forgot Microsoft bought Bethesda lol explains a lot
but the linux circlejerk swears game support is on par with windows!
It is, except for the ones that come with built in APTs.
It’s because of testing the game on different versions of Proton, which is treated as a hardware change. The fault lies entirely with Denuvo, and with anti-consumer DRM in general.
Rule 1 of Lemmy: Worship Linux, or be subjected to poor treatment, unfortunately.
You seem like a sad and angry person
I’m not a huge Linux stan, but it’s pretty damn close to it. I rarely run into compatibility issues, and when I do, there’s a very high chance a workaround exists. Hell, there’s even times when a game actually runs smoother on Linux.
In regards to the topic at hand, Denuvo’s activation limit fucks over Windows users, too. It just happens far more often due to the compatibility layer (e.g. proton, wine, etc) making it look like it’s a new computer trying to access the Denuvo servers for a game each time you change it when testing (e.g. proton v8, v9, experimental, etc). That being said, you don’t usually need to change the version that often. I usually only need to try 1-3 versions before finding one that works the best, and I think the Denuvo daily limit is like 4-5, but I could be wrong.
And the windows circlejerk says private, secure, performant OSes that also play most games are trash not worth trying. Hm.
It’s not a circlejerk to want to play a game I’ve paid for
Weirdly defensive about something that you yourself admitted that no one accused you of being
I’m saying calling it a circlejerk to still be on Windows is unnecessarily derisive when the post I was responding to even calls out that Linux alternatives play most games. Most games is not all of my games. I’m not a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch, but if it’s the only way to play a game I want to play, that is what I’ll do.
I despise the term “circlejerk” and was only using it sarcastically. But in any case, I do grow tired of people shitting on linux. The reasons? I have explained a million times.
I mean, either deal with windows and its 1000 flaws or the same with linux. Some of us would just rather deal with flaws that are honest. I’d rather deal with a bug that 100 people around the globe work together to fix in a timely matter than deal with shit-ass “features” that actively ruin my experience because some disgusting executives want to buy more Porsches this summer. While pretending to care about me as a customer.
Cue “I just want to play games”. Well yeah me too sometimes. Now that I have an AMD card, I never have a problem with it. I spent a lot of time testing my games and 86% worked fine. This included a lot of sketchy/old games (Jedi Knight 1 and 2 for example – those barely can work on anything newer than win 98) that I didn’t expect to work actually… If we’re only talking new games, it’s probably like 95%. I don’t play games enough to care about an occasional poorly-written game not working.
To each his own. I wasn’t knocking Linux, just responding to what I interpreted as an insinuation that anyone has a shrine to Bill Gates in their closet just because they still haven’t made the jump.
I get that. I do think some people are pretty closed minded on the topic but you don’t seem to fit that bill. MS is not playing the long game though. Even my brother who has been against the idea of Linux forever is coming around. He’s installed it and playing around with it lately. He might just convert one day…
That’s aligned for the moment because I’m not playing the long game, either. I’d ditch Windows at a moment’s notice if not for a handful of “must-have” games that protondb says still require tweaking. I configure system crap all day at work; I categorically refuse to do any of that in my already sparse game time.
You’re trying to tell me windows “just works”?
Between updates taking time and breaking shit, drivers constantly demanding updates, auto start programs that slow your machine down and pop up prompts, new “features” in windows asking your time, literal ads in the OS, and I’m sure I could list more examples if I took time, windows hasn’t “just worked” for me in a long time. I was a daily power user of it from about 1997-2014. Which is why I hate it. On Linux, out of that list I experience an update breaking something once or twice a year, and sometimes having to copy paste some config vars on a game. Sometimes (like one in ten).
When I had an Nvidia card it was admittedly different. Not very stable because Nvidia chooses to be assholes. On an AMD card things are solid. Not much configuration when I do game
It is if anti-cheats & DRMs are not included in the package
anti-consumer feature is anti-consumer. more news at 11
Gonna be honest, if Dark Ages represents the future of Doom: Doom died with Eternal. I’ve played probably 75% of the game and it’s enough to turn me off of every future title.
Edit: Bizarre fucking takes in this thread. How many of you that liked DA played on controller?
Final edit: liking Dark Ages and disliking Eternal is like preferring lunchables to a NYC slice.
What don’t you like about it?
Every single encounter is braindead. There are like 8 true demons. There are 3-4 weapons (the others are worthless), and literally never a reason to use any of them but the impaler and the BFC (which is functionally completely different than the BFG).
I have not used my brain for any of the encounters. I throw my shield to deal with checks notes 80% of the encounter, spamming parry and impaler headshots to simply annihilate every boss or even remotely threatening enemy.
The game is fucking boring.
Edit: this isn’t even discussing the fact that it seems like every encounter is dEfEaT eNeMiEs To BrEaK sHiElD. Very dumbed down sequel to 2016.
I’m replaying 2016 right now and it’s the same. There are a handful of enemies, the minor demons are so weak they might as well all be the same. I never use the pistol or Gauss gun. Most weapons are functionally identical, I only switch when I’m out of ammo. When I run low on health, I do a glory kill. Rinse and repeat.
Eternal has much more variety in its combat, and being more frantic makes it more satisfying to chain kills.
Yeah, I definitely pissed off the geriatrics/children in this thread — Eternal was peak. 2016 was a good start. Dark Ages is a joke.
Actually, I’m seeing that it might just be a good controller shooter. Which, of course, means that it is fundamentally furthest from doom as a concept.
Bad game, went from ‘will buy every ID IP from now on’ to ‘YAAAARRRR’ after 12 chapters. Idk if I’m even going to finish it, I’m probably just gonna go for another Eternal UN run.
Doom died with Ethernal. Dark Ages is just more of that decline.
The idea that anyone likes doom 2016 without liking dark ages despite dark ages being more of a gameplay successor to 2016 - genuinely fucking baffling.
Hard disagree. Doom Eternal was a rhythm game disguised as an FPS and I hated it. It’s crazy to me how widely acclaimed it was even over Doom 2016, which I thought was amazing. I’m glad they shifted back towards a more grounded FPS style that doesn’t force you to juggle your entire weapon arsenal nonstop the entire game.
I really enjoyed 2016, couldn’t get into Eternal though. I’m definitely going to hold off on this new one until it’s been out longer and goes on sale, unless it gets standing ovations. Then, if I don’t like it I haven’t lost much.
Could you elaborate on the „rythm game“ part?
I get that eternal was way more saturated and faster, but Rythm?
Have someone that’s even just moderately good at Eternal and then watch their keyboard strokes. It’s a combo-centric game, where you’re constantly juggling weapons and jumping to and fro, and eventually it slides into a “flow.” It’s not literally a rhythm game, but it actually kind of is once you hit that flow. I don’t know how to explain it beyond that; but, it’s not a hot take in the least, as even huge fans of it have agreed with the sentiment.
yeah i love doom eternal and you’re completely right here. i think it’s definitely more noticeable at higher difficulties, but the game absolutely demands a certain rhythm
I played it for just a couple of hours and I understood why you were saying that. It was either dance around like an idiot or make no progress. I didn’t like it and stopped playing it.
A rhythm game?
Who did you get that from? Doom Eternal is in no way a rhythm game, weapon swapping was no different from 2016 to DE. The only enemy that ‘requires’ it is the marauder and god forbid you need to switch between two weapons.
No, better to strip everything that made Doom good - down to the fucking double jump. Bad joke.
You’re so wrong it’s almost like the version you played came from another reality.
Guns and ammo all loop back on eachother forcing you to use everything you have to keep shooting. You can’t stick to one gun for more than a few shots lmao. Either you’re larping and you didn’t get past muraurder and you’re just spitting a youtuber take.
First off, it’s a first person shooter. What you’ve said is literally how first person shooters work. Not to mention: if you’re suggesting that I’m larping while trying to suggest you don’t have nigh infinite ammo for every encounter in eternal… idk, I’m gonna laugh at you with my other friends who love doom.
Second, are you suggesting that you like the fact that you only need to use one out of… how many, 16 weapons?
Yes I’m sure that Dark Ages has appeal to kids and old people. I am neither.
Infinite ammo? Sure! Chainsaw a guy, more ammo!
You wanted to keep shooting? Sorry, there’s no more ammo left for what you’ve unlocked, time to punch the chainsaw clock.
Out of chainsaw? Oh no! Guess you’re stuck with the two guns you hate.
Your comment speaks like it was played below Easy mode. Some of us actually like the demons to hurt us.
Riight
This will be a very amusing conversation with my friends. Cope harder, dark ages is shit.
Edit: by the way, it takes 20 seconds to charge one pip of the chainsaw. If you’ve somehow used all of your resources in 20 seconds and the thing isn’t dead; you’re just bad. Not to mention infinitely spawning fodder for ammo.
Yeah I called it Doom Doom Revolution.
Still cool tho
Rhythm games are consistent every time.
Pressing buttons sequentially does not a rhythm game make. By your, incorrect, definition — fuckin WoW is a rhythm game.
Dude, relax the confrontation mode, it’s not Reddit
No, I will make sure everyone understands that the game they subjectively like is objectively bad. I refuse to back down when people are making very clearly outlandish statements.
Edit: prove that it’s a rhythm game without using sequential button presses as a metric.
If Doom Eternal is a rhythm game, what does that make Metal: Hellsinger aka “Doom but as a rhythm game”?
store.steampowered.com/app/…/Metal_Hellsinger/
(really great game btw)
Is Dark Ages really more grounded? What the hell does that mean here?
I had issues with Eternal demanding I use the weapons the way the devs intended, but when I saw parrying was a central part in Dark Ages, it was an easy decision to wait. Icon of Sin was peak because it was chaos management. I managed the Marauders, but just couldn’t be assed to beat the Dark Lord.
Good thing the indie scene is making their own Doom likes.
doom past doom 2 never felt like doom anyhow.
Ultimate Doom which was doom2 with harder levels was great fun as well, but yeah, doom2.exe was peak.
I believe it depends on the player’s personal playstyle. I’ve played Doom 3, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal. Doom 3 is for fans of horror-focused FPS games, Doom 2016 offers action at a normal pace, and Doom Eternal feels like a high-speed dance.
I’ll try Dark Ages next year, but I think if they had added even more mechanics than the Eternal had, the game might be more like an RPG than an FPS.
Dark ages is a dumbed down version of doom 2016. That is the best way I can describe it.
And, I’m sorry - but doom 3 was just bad.
Doom 3 was not bad, it was a good game. But it was not Doom, only had the name.
Which makes it… a bad doom game. …
You will not revisionist history this game, there is nothing wrong with subjectively liking a bad game but the fact remains: doom 3 was bad.
Thats what i said. Bad Doom game, but good game. BOTW for example is a great game, but not a good Zelda game.
BOTW was a good open world game, though - Doom 3 was a cheap attempt at plastering a survival horror skin onto the Doom IP. The level design was bad, the jump scares were cheap - the only thing it had going for it was that it was the first 3d doom.
I think they did bring back Doom RPG best phone game ever
That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.
Owned by zenimax, owned by microsoft. Same owners of activision blizzard. Shafted Mick Gordon. So this is kinda 100% as expected.
You must really fucking hate composers or not play games if you think ID is a contender for the best game studio.
It used to be. 😭
Tim Willits
Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.
If the game comes with Denuvo, never, ever buy it.
I think the point is that they often eventually remove Denuvo and it becomes a moot point.
Yeah, they pay fees to keep Denuvo in the game. So they only usually use it for the first 6-12 months, (long enough to capture the initial surge of launch sales), and then remove it to stop paying the fees.
My point is that companies that use it are anti-consumer scum and should be actively boycotted.
Companies like Sega and Ubisoft never remove it, and in the case of Ghostwire Tokyo, Bethesda added it nearly a year after release, pulling a bait-and-switch on PC gamers that would never have it bought it otherwise.
These companies demonstrate that will steal your purchase from you whenever they feel like it. They do not deserve anyone’s money, not even 6-12 months later at 90% off.
If a company uses Denuvo, don’t give them money. Because that’s what you’re doing. You aren’t buying anything, you are just giving them money.
I’m more and more convinced that Doom 2016 was the peak. Eternal had that one song that kicked ass but that was mostly it.
Doom 2 was the peak. 2016 was a strong reimagining of Doom 3, but it was already trying to be something Doom wasn’t.
I disagree. Doom 3 was trying to be constant darkness and horror. Never forget the lack of duct tape. Doom 2016 was a strong sequel to 2 with its wide open spaces and fast-paced action.
I don’t want to feel like I’m being hunted by scary monsters. I want to be the monster.
While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they’ll remove it in a few years, I’m a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.
Same, I’m happy to wait for Denuvo to be removed, for the game patches to come out, and Nvidia to fucking fix their god damn drivers. Plus side, I’ll pay a reasonable price for the game when I buy it.
I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I’m playing this.
Thanks to this news, there will be a version without Denuvo quite quickly. 🏴☠️
Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game
Seems like it should be an easy patch, right? Assuming they have any desire to (I think it “runs” on Steam Deck, so that might be enough incentive)
Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now
Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)
None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t
Denuvo’s whole schtick is that your unique system environment gets used as a part of the “unlocking key” of sorts, so it would definitely not be simple. For example windows users face the same issue with denuvo whenever windows updates, although obviously that doesn’t happen often enough to be an actual issue.
you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar
Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.
Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.
It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.
What’s the game?
Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.
Probably Alien Dawn, it’s basically a 3D Rimworld clone
Yup, Stranded: Alien Dawn.
Same here, but “3D Rimworld” piqued my interest.
+1 tell us the title
As someone guessed above - Stranded: Alien Dawn
Yes, let’s all accept this reality and stop being useful idiots.
All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.
well cheaters sure do ruin online games…
That’s anticheat, not drm
i know
Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.
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I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.
🥺 pwease money?
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Only pay money for open source because you can actually own it
Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.
Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in there favourite location hospitals.
How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft and there games because theyre supporting it but a lot of companies could have stakes in gaming companies and support the genocide its a team effort from NATO to support Israels genocide.
Well, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, as they say. Literally anything you buy, there could be a shareholder who is evil. But y’gotta vote with your wallet, and so it makes a bigger impact to boycott companies that are directly involved, rather than ambiguous or strenuous connections.
The thread is about a Microsoft product, so of course they’re going to discuss Microsoft specifically
This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.
Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I’d imagine there’s also a lot of overlap there.
I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.
I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.
Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.
That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.
You have to enable HDR in the Windows 10 settings, do Win+I, type “HD Color”, and then set your AMD display drivers to “Color Correction” in Display to adjust for the bad Win10 HDR implementation.
My recommendation is:
Temperature: 10000
Brightness: -10
Hue: 0 (default)
Contrast: 120
Saturation: 165
Then enable HDR in Dark Ages, followed by FSR and Frame Gen, if you want.
HDR is the key.
Oh I don’t have Windows. But I’ll look into the HDR stuff, I usually leave it off.
One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.
Oh holy shit.
I think you’re actually right, it’s probably Denuvo tanking performance
Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀
am gonna stick to Classic Doom(including doom 64) ,thanks.
even tho i didnt play doom 64 for a while.
+Doesn’t steam have DRM already
Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, most of Id’s games had official native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.
This is what happens when bean counters make the decisions. Linux is only 4% of market share so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
What’s so fucking annoying about these DRM issues is that basically all of the AntiCheat and DRM we have WORK ON LINUX IF YOU ENABLE ONE FUCKING SETTING
Easy AntiCheat for example is quite literally a checkbox at some point of compiling or whatever, I’ve seen someone do it!
Shows you how little they value Linux games
It never is just a checkbox though. You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros. For a fraction of users. If Linux crowd wants to be taken seriously, they should settle on a single distro for everything.
Lol
It wouldn’t astonish me if this were a semi-deliberate act by microsoft. While they’re trying very hard to expand to every platform, non-windows pcs seem to be the exception. Linux and OSX have the game gamepass support as your phone.
Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing
IdBethesdaMicrosoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM
One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/drm
GoG has DRM-free games: www.gog.com/en/about_gog
Gog also doesn’t have nearly as many games.
Yes, and I don’t know what you are trying to say.
Oh no?
Shows how much, most companied wont want to give you DRM free stuff.
Who knows, maybe they are gaining side-revenue, selling your memory scans.
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.
Eh 70 dollars for 10 hours of repetitive gameplay is bad value anyway.
Don’t tell competitive gamers that. LOL, CS, Overwatch, COD whatever is about a simple game loop for those who enjoy that loop.
No way, it’s only 10 hours? Eternal was longer than that, and so was 2016!
I finished DOOM (2016) in 8.8 hours. Granted I didn’t stop for collectables and was on normal mode. I tried Eternal but got bored after 2 hours so that’s what I’m basing it off.
My steam friends currently have about 17 hours (they bought it early) but they like collecting stuff and getting 100% achievements. I’m not sure how long the story is without 100%ing it but it shouldn’t be too different from the other games.
Why do you even play games if you rush them? It’s like the guy a few years ago asking on Reddit if he should go past no return in Cyberpunk 2077 at level 18. The fuck, mate? You missed the whole game!
A bunch of people are like that, too.
It’s like buying some expensive bottle of wine, thwn chugging half. And throwing the rest away.
Who said I was rushing? Gathering the collectables is a chore so I just progressed through the story and finished it.
Edit: Also my friend 100% the new Doom game on the highest difficulty in 21 hours. Doom games are short in general.
I did all the fixer missions in Cyberpunk and honestly wish I hadn’t bothered.
It destroyed the pacing completely, and did nothing but waste my time. Like sure, they’re not automatically generated or anything, but they don’t add anything to the game experience.
The same goes for pretty much every open world game that isn’t designed around actual exploration. If your map is a sea of icons, your open world game isn’t that.
Do you also rate books by the number of pages?
This attitude here is what has fucked up gaming more than any greedy publisher ever did.
If a book costs 80€ for a ten hour read, it’s a complete ripoff that nobody would buy.
Unless it was a new Harry Potter apparently.
You still had the choice between a cheaper pocket book and the bound version.
But what if the book were titled, “Here’s how I became a millionaire” or “steps to become a millionaire” or stuff like that
Those are still a ripoff at 1€
Well, it would really just be a 2 - 10 second read, depending upon how fast you read, so…
On the other hand, do you consider time taken imagining the story, as part of the reading time, because I know a book that would have a months long reading time in that case.
Not that I would have bought it - not my type of game - but this game gets on my blacklist.
i wanted to buy it because i know it will be good.
but ill pirate it instead as soon as its cracked. thanks ill save myself the money, you fucks.
it won’t be cracked, you have to hope the devs leak the drm-free version
How do you know?
Not sure why they’re getting downvoted for speaking facts. Nobody is cracking Denuvo anymore. To my understanding, the way Denuvo is installed in a game is similar to how a wad of gum gets in your hair: it’s stuck in various different spots, and takes a lot of work to get out completely. Basically, hackers have little incentive to devote weeks to pry it out of a game, so they’ve pretty much stopped. The only good thing about Denuvo, as far as the piracy scene is concerned, is that devs have to pay yearly for a license, which means inevitably, they will stop, and remove it from the game. But who knows when that will be.
Huh? That’s the very definition of incentive for a “hacker” (“cracker” should be the term). There’s also nothing really new about having protection checks in many places, usually using illegal opcodes or self-modifying code. At least on a 6502. Processors have changed, so have the tools to go with it.
Was this before or after this: lemmy.world/post/29593011
Because I’m curious why Valve would have gone to so much trouble to make the game run on Linux just to ruin that.
Well the game runs well if you just launch it with only one Proton configuration and keep playing on that. The issue is changing the Proton version is recognized as multiple installations by the DRM and it locks you out after a couple of tries.
This is what I didn’t understand. Thank you for explaining.
Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.
I can’t own it, I’m pirating it.
If I can’t own, I pwn.
If even not that, perhaps you can look into [wning
Selaco is much better than this. It’s basically F.E.A.R+Classic doom
It runs on linux & utilizes the GZDoom engine & for some reason attacked by the anti-woke mob
Just torrent your games.
Stop rewarding companies for taking advantage of you.
Just don’t run their shitty silicon burners on your system and get some good stuff.
Support teams that are willing to make builds for the latest Arch release (and tell me too if you find any :P).
I have narrowed down my “to pay” list to GoG + Linux games, only problem being, since they are not open source, we still depend upon them rebuilding the binaries for the latest systems. Otherwise, we need to then keep an older version of Ubuntu for it. Really wish GoG pushed Debian as a standard for those cases (for old games which the dev might not rebuild), because Ubuntu ages worse than Debian, when out of LTS.
I completely forgot about that game. I played an early demo and thought it was pretty good.
Meanwhile, DRM-free Doom (2016) is here, it also runs quite good >>> www.gog.com/en/game/doom_2016
with good music too
Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.
dude, sick, i never heard of this one 👍
Why though?
Read the article?
Urge to pirate, rising…
Necessity*
I’ve downloaded software that I had paid for, simply because of the bullshit involved with DRM, licence unlocking, etc.
If the user experience of a paid software or service is inferior to a pirated version, then the developers are doing something wrong.
Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).
While the CD checks are absolutely annoying, nothing, and I mean nothing, was more inconvenient than having to go to a certain page and a certain line and a certain word in the manual to unlock a program you paid for. Fucking infuriating.
Shuddderr. I remember the first time I saw a game do that, I thought oh what a fun little game I guess it’s to get me to use the manual… like some kind of ARG, but when I realized the real purpose all the joy was sucked out of it.
Or you could always just not play the game? Is that not an option?
But I’m already doing that. I want to do my part to dissuade bad software practices.
Who am I kidding I’m just going to keep working through the Cacowards forever.
Pause?
After how id treated my man Mick Gordon, I’m torrenting cracked versions of their games here on out - pulling the patient gamer card.
Fuck the management at id. Just another corporate machine.